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Hicks
12-13-2011, 01:57 PM
Who are we down to now? Jamal Crawford is obvious. Afflalo WOULD be obvious, but he's a restricted free agent and there's virtually no chance we overpay him to the point that Denver lets him go.

So... what's left behind the curtain? Another trade? Another free agent we're not talking enough about?

Who is left?

Some have brought up Rodney Stuckey. Let's say he'd agree to be a shooting guard (which is what he really is anyway). Can he create his own shot effectively? How much do you think he would cost per year?

Other than Stuckey, who else is still an interesting free agent at SG?

Then on the other hand, what about trades?

Psyren
12-13-2011, 02:00 PM
In terms of FA's, if we can't get Crawford (Who seemingly will never make up his mind), then I'd rather go into the season with what we have.

Just let our young guards play.

Peck
12-13-2011, 02:02 PM
Or take the cash prize and walk away.

In other words I'm not sure right now we need to make any more moves other than for obvious upgrades.

Sure I'd like to get rid of Rush but it's pretty obvious that his value around the league is as high as a flea's butt.

I'm willing to see what Lance can do and I think Hill will be better than people think.

Right now I think we have the depth and talent to be 5th or 6th in the east and damn that feels so much better than in years past.

I think Paul George is going to blow up, I really do. He & Granger are going to be a fierce one two punch.

Trader Joe
12-13-2011, 02:04 PM
Stuckey is going to cost 8-10 million. Crawford will probably cost 8. I'm not sure the motivation between either of those.

My team is on the floor.

Aw Heck
12-13-2011, 02:09 PM
I think they'll either get Crawford for a reasonable deal or they'll just go into the season with what they have. The Pacers still have enough flexibility to make a deadline deal if they need to.

Hibbert/Foster/Training camp big
West/Hansbrough/Pendergraph
Granger
George/Jones/Rush
Collison/Hill/Price/Stephenson

Dee-Squared
12-13-2011, 02:09 PM
Detroit re-signed forward Jonas Jerebko and signed guards Kareem Rush, Walker Russell Jr. and Brian Hamilton and center Jake Voskuhl and waived guards Kareem Rush and Richard Hamilton.

Read more: http://hoopshype.com/transactions.htm#ixzz1gRJ6ZJFk

What about picking up Rip Hamilton?

Psyren
12-13-2011, 02:10 PM
Detroit re-signed forward Jonas Jerebko and signed guards Kareem Rush, Walker Russell Jr. and Brian Hamilton and center Jake Voskuhl and waived guards Kareem Rush and Richard Hamilton.

Read more: http://hoopshype.com/transactions.htm#ixzz1gRJ6ZJFk

What about picking up Rip Hamilton?

From everything I've read, he's very close to signing with the Bulls.

BPump33
12-13-2011, 02:10 PM
I think we end up signing Crawford for something like 3 years/28 million. Just a prediction.

Sparhawk
12-13-2011, 02:11 PM
I'd like to get Mayo for nothing. Stockpiling valuable assets is a good thing. But who's going to play what minutes? Seems all our guards would have to play less.

Let's say we get Mayo for a S&T McBob only. We'd still have Rush and Enferno who'd never see the court. While that doesn't bother me, it's also not fair to them cause they are decent players.

I'm not intrigued by Crawford.

I'm fine with what we have to be honest, and keep the rest of our cap, cause you know there'll be movement by the trade deadline, and we could help facilitate trades.

So I'm for Mayo or help facilitate trades later to hopefully pick up a valuable piece. Can we trade Rush for a pick? I'd be down with that.

Hicks
12-13-2011, 02:13 PM
Or take the cash prize and walk away.

In other words I'm not sure right now we need to make any more moves other than for obvious upgrades.

Sure I'd like to get rid of Rush but it's pretty obvious that his value around the league is as high as a flea's butt.

I'm willing to see what Lance can do and I think Hill will be better than people think.

Right now I think we have the depth and talent to be 5th or 6th in the east and damn that feels so much better than in years past.

I think Paul George is going to blow up, I really do. He & Granger are going to be a fierce one two punch.

Why not shoot higher and add a piece that you think can do that? I know we're all excited already with the changes thus far, but let's not settle unnecessarily.

vnzla81
12-13-2011, 02:13 PM
We need to get a center for sure.

Peck
12-13-2011, 02:15 PM
Why not shoot higher and add a piece that you think can do that? I know we're all excited already with the changes thus far, but let's not settle unnecessarily.

Like who?

Since86
12-13-2011, 02:15 PM
Why would the Lakers sign Josh? I thought his performance against them was "irrelevant?"

Lance George
12-13-2011, 02:16 PM
I've never wanted Crawford here. I don't think he's that good, and combined with his age, he does little-to-nothing for me.

I like Stuckey a lot. He can't shoot, and he may not have a great attitude (neither did Mayo, reportedly), but his overall game is strong.

What about Rudy Fernandez? Word is he wants out of Dallas due their stacked backcourt, and Dallas may move him to a team with cap-space in order to gain another TPE. His 2011-12 salary (http://shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/blazers.jsp) is only $2.18M.


Marca.com Reports Rudy Fernandez Will Seek A Buyout - Mavs Moneyball (http://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2011/12/13/2632576/marca-com-reports-rudy-fernandez-will-seek-a-buyout)


It seems that the days of Rudy Fernandez (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/35052/rudy-fernandez) in Dallas are counted before they even started. Morning has already broken in Europe and Marca.com reports (http://www.marca.com/2011/12/13/baloncesto/nba/1323761124.html) that after the acquisitions of Vince Carter (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/21546/vince-carter) and Delonte West (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/21812/delonte-west), the shooting-guard wants out of the crowded wing rotation of the Champions. If he stayed in the NBA speculations hint his preferred destination would be the Timberwolves (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/teams/minnesota-timberwolves) to pair up with native spanish-speakers Ricky Rubio (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/71905/ricky-rubio) and Jose Barea (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/21763/jose-barea). Maybe recent trade rumors (http://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2011/12/12/2630355/mavs-trying-to-trade-brewer-fernandez) also played a role in his decision.

But as we've learned from the Billups case, players don't always get what they want. Even if the Mavericks (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/teams/dallas-mavericks) would be willing to grant his wish, any team with cap space or a TPE that matches his salary could claim him off waivers within the next 48 hours and he might just end up somewhere else with his friendly contract. Rudy and the Mavs reportedly will meet Wednesday in Dallas and will be trying to work out something both sides can live with.

It's always unfair to judge in retrospect, but the decision to acquire Rudy on Draft Day was well challenged back then. Rudy had a subpar season with the Portland Trail Blazers (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/teams/portland-trail-blazers) and he had already hinted that he is tempted to return to Spain. Jordan Hamilton also was considered a steal at #26 and as a primarily offensive threat with defensive liabilities he kind of matches Rudys scouting report.

Click through to read the Draft Day reactions.



Hamilton to Dallas. And the rich get richer. Put a mega-talent w/a questionable attitude on a super high character team & watch him blossom. @DraftExpress (http://twitter.com/#%21/DraftExpress/status/84079237652430848)

The Dallas Mavericks select Jordan Hamilton at 26. Steal this late. Big time scorer @chadfordinsider (http://twitter.com/#%21/chadfordinsider/status/84079096698638336)

Maybe Fernandez will find new life in Dallas, but at best he’s an active offensive participant, a three-point threat, and a defensive liability. Couldn’t Hamilton be capable of the same, while giving the Mavs another interesting piece for the future? Dallas is rightfully looking to maximize on their current core, but the drive to acquire veterans has led them to one who holds all of the weaknesses of the prospect they could have had without any of the potential long-term strengths. Rob Mahoney @ TheTwoManGame.com (http://www.thetwomangame.com/2011/06/why-now/)
Fans surely want to keep track on Hamiltons development in Denver this season if the Mavericks will part ways with Rudy Fernandez.


http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/5831/ojrudy.gif (http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=fernaru01&y1=2011&p2=mayooj01&y2=2011)

naptownmenace
12-13-2011, 02:17 PM
There are other cheaper options than Crawford. Ranked in order of talent:

Arron Afflalo

Reggie Williams

Marco Belinelli

Willie Green

Othyus Jeffers

Steve Novak

Michael Redd


The Pacers biggest need is a spot shooter off the bench and all of the above mentioned SGs shoot the ball better than Crawford or Mayo and most of them would have no problem coming off the bench or being used in a spot shooter role.

I think Belinelli would be a good fit and he probably wouldn't cost much either.

BornReady
12-13-2011, 02:18 PM
my question about Afflalo is whether he is really that big of an upgrade from Rush? They both seem to play a similar brand of bball. I would love to give Stuckey a shot - I don't think he would cost that much either?

90'sNBARocked
12-13-2011, 02:20 PM
Who are we down to now? Jamal Crawford is obvious. Afflalo WOULD be obvious, but he's a restricted free agent and there's virtually no chance we overpay him to the point that Denver lets him go.

So... what's left behind the curtain? Another trade? Another free agent we're not talking enough about?

Who is left?

Some have brought up Rodney Stuckey. Let's say he'd agree to be a shooting guard (which is what he really is anyway). Can he create his own shot effectively? How much do you think he would cost per year?

Other than Stuckey, who else is still an interesting free agent at SG?

Then on the other hand, what about trades?

I really wouldnt go after Stuckey, not a fan at all

I say we go with either Crawford or Reggie Williams

Hicks
12-13-2011, 02:20 PM
Like who?

Whomever. That's for TPTB to decide.

For one case, I still like JC because we could still really use a guy who can create his own shot very well. That ability probably trumps the FG% concern in our case, IMO. He's liable to go off on a scoring tear any given night, or get an and-one off of a three point shot. When a guy like that is coming off the bench, you live with the flaws.

BornReady
12-13-2011, 02:22 PM
at this point I'm thinking I'd go for Crawford or stick with the current lineup

Hicks
12-13-2011, 02:23 PM
There are other cheaper options than Crawford. Ranked in order of talent:

Arron Afflalo

Reggie Williams

Marco Belinelli

Willie Green

Othyus Jeffers

Steve Novak

Michael Redd


The Pacers biggest need is a spot shooter off the bench and all of the above mentioned SGs shoot the ball better than Crawford or Mayo and most of them would have no problem coming off the bench or being used in a spot shooter role.

I think Belinelli would be a good fit and he probably wouldn't cost much either.

If our biggest need off the bench was a spot shooter (I completely disagree with that), I present to you Brandon Rush.

Steagles
12-13-2011, 02:23 PM
Bellinelli, Redd or Fernandez would be cool with me. Maybe a second for Rudy? Then try to ship Rush for a second.


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Strummer
12-13-2011, 02:24 PM
I'm not crazy about Crawford.

I'd consider Reggie Williams since he's unrestricted now.

But I'm happy with who we have at shooting guard. George and Hill should be a good combo. And who knows, the new coaching staff could have a positive effect on Rush.

Plus the amnesty option is only good til friday. There may be some surprises popping up. We've yet to have the auction on Richard Jefferson or Baron Davis. Not saying I want those guys but bidding teams could be needing to clear cash. So who knows who might become available.

Hicks
12-13-2011, 02:25 PM
I'll be honest I don't recall who Reggie Williams even is. Off to Google I go...

Ace E.Anderson
12-13-2011, 02:27 PM
There are other cheaper options than Crawford. Ranked in order of talent:

Arron Afflalo

Reggie Williams

Marco Belinelli

Willie Green

Othyus Jeffers

Steve Novak

Michael Redd


The Pacers biggest need is a spot shooter off the bench and all of the above mentioned SGs shoot the ball better than Crawford or Mayo and most of them would have no problem coming off the bench or being used in a spot shooter role.

I think Belinelli would be a good fit and he probably wouldn't cost much either.


I'd take a flyer on Reggie Williams. He can fill it up pretty fast, and shouldn't be too expensive. If we don't end up getting Crawford (which I am somewhat against anyways) then I'd just go into the season with what we have and reassess at the trade deadline.

Collison or Hill
George
Granger
West
Hibbert

Hill or Collison
Jones/Stephenson
Jones/George
Hans
Pendergraph/Foster.....

Sounds like a pretty good lineup to me

naptownmenace
12-13-2011, 02:28 PM
Plus the amnesty option is only good til friday. There may be some surprises popping up. We've yet to have the auction on Richard Jefferson or Baron Davis. Not saying I want those guys but bidding teams could be needing to clear cash. So who knows who might become available.

Good points. If Jefferson gets amnestied (has this been added to Webster's yet?), I definitely think the Pacers should put a claim in on him.

graphic-er
12-13-2011, 02:29 PM
There are other cheaper options than Crawford. Ranked in order of talent:

Arron Afflalo

Reggie Williams

Marco Belinelli

Willie Green

Othyus Jeffers

Steve Novak

Michael Redd


The Pacers biggest need is a spot shooter off the bench and all of the above mentioned SGs shoot the ball better than Crawford or Mayo and most of them would have no problem coming off the bench or being used in a spot shooter role.

I think Belinelli would be a good fit and he probably wouldn't cost much either.

DISAGREE. The Pacers biggest need is clutch scoring, or a guy who can get his own shot late in the game. None of the players you mention have that ability. Thats why we have been going after Mayo or Crawford. You don't go after spot shooters when we have a PG who can't see them open.

rock747
12-13-2011, 02:30 PM
ESPNSteinLineMarc Stein



Sources w/knowledge of deal say Pacers have two-year offer out to Jamal Crawford worth $10M with out to return to free agency next summer

Sounds like he doesn't really want to be here. He's going to be a one year rental.

wintermute
12-13-2011, 02:31 PM
I think we end up signing Crawford for something like 3 years/28 million. Just a prediction.

If we wouldn't give West 3 years, we won't give Crawford that either.

Yeah, I'm ok with sitting on the cap and seeing what we have in our current guards. I'm also ok with signing Crawford to a one year deal (which apparently is his preference) to see how he works out.

No one else out there seems particularly tempting. Stuckey, Afflalo are RFA so won't be had on reasonable deals. Reggie Williams is a nice player but can he create his own shot?

Psyren
12-13-2011, 02:31 PM
DISAGREE. The Pacers biggest need is clutch scoring, or a guy who can get his own shot late in the game. None of the players you mention have that ability. Thats why we have been going after Mayo or Crawford. You don't go after spot shooters when we have a PG who can't see them open.

Agree entirely.

All those guys that were listed are spot up shooters. We have those guys already. We need a late game performer who isn't afraid to put up the big shot.

The only guy who fits that bill is Crawford (Well, maybe Redd back in the day)

Lance George
12-13-2011, 02:31 PM
2/$10M? I don't really want Crawford, but that's very fair.

JB24
12-13-2011, 02:33 PM
Surely he has better offers than that?

Hicks
12-13-2011, 02:33 PM
Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine 2 mins Reply Retweeted Favorite Open
Sources w/knowledge of deal say Pacers have two-year offer out to Jamal Crawford worth $10M with out to return to free agency next summer

I'm asking Marc if it's 10 per or 10 total (5 per).

Lance George
12-13-2011, 02:34 PM
I'd forgotten all about Reggie Williams. Go look at his size and production vs. Mayo's size and production and tell me which one was the high school phenom turned top-5 pick, and which one went undrafted.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=mayooj01&y1=2011&p2=willire02&y2=2011

Strummer
12-13-2011, 02:34 PM
I'd consider Reggie Williams since he's unrestricted now.


Are you nuts? Reggie Williams is playing in Spain! With a $1 million buyout!

the link
(http://aol.sportingnews.com/nba/story/2011-08-23/golden-state-warriors-reggie-williams-signs-with-spanish-club)

Hicks
12-13-2011, 02:35 PM
Sounds like he doesn't really want to be here. He's going to be a one year rental.

Fine with me. He's a weapon off the bench we don't currently have. Either he decides he likes it here or we find someone else next summer. He and we will have flexibility. He's not so important that it matters much, IMO.

vnzla81
12-13-2011, 02:36 PM
I would think is 10 per year.

wintermute
12-13-2011, 02:36 PM
Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine 2 mins Reply Retweeted Favorite Open
Sources w/knowledge of deal say Pacers have two-year offer out to Jamal Crawford worth $10M with out to return to free agency next summer

I'm asking Marc if it's 10 per or 10 total (5 per).

Probably total. 2 years, $5m per sounds good to me.

Aw Heck
12-13-2011, 02:37 PM
Sounds like the Pacers really want cap space in 2014. Trying to sign Crawford to a 2-year, $10 million contract in addition to West. If he gets Crawford for that, that's great.

Hicks
12-13-2011, 02:38 PM
I would think is 10 per year.

I'm actually thinking the opposite. He wouldn't still be considering the Knicks if it was between 10m here and 2.5m there. But 5 versus 2.5 is another story.

CooperManning
12-13-2011, 02:40 PM
Hope we end up geting JC for two years, nothing more, nothing less. We'll have a good year this year, but we could really do some damage in '12-'13 if this group has a year to gel. We'd have a combination of vet leaders and young players hitting their stride. Then after that season, West and Crawford would expire and we could be players in the free agent market again.

Kegboy
12-13-2011, 02:41 PM
I'm not a Crawford fan, but, provided it's 10 total, that's a great deal. I definitely don't want to sign him for 3 years, let alone 4, but I'd be just fine with that.

FrenchConnection
12-13-2011, 02:42 PM
Good deal. If we sign Crawford, I want him to play hungry. If he's not happy at the offers he's getting this year, let him play himself to better offers with the Pacers.

docpaul
12-13-2011, 02:44 PM
This is fun. :) The information flows so freely, that I almost feel like part of the process. :)

Additionally, the team is totally trying to enhance something that I'm already pretty excited about... so it feels like gravy at this point that we're considering MLE dollars for Crawford. If he accepts, score... if he moves on, we're still sitting just fine.

Still wondering about lack of depth at 5. We at least need a fill in ala Solomon.

pacers101
12-13-2011, 02:46 PM
Guys that means 5 per... Larry wouldnt give Crawford 10 per year. He would figure out a way to get Mayo if he was going to have to pay that much.
Were offering Crawford 5 per with an option to leave next summer if he wants. The Knicks are offering him 2.5 cuz thats all they have and I bet the Wolves are offering more than us but Crawford being an older guy I dont think he'll go there unless they are offering a boatload more than we are.
I bet you he signs with us. It makes the most sense for him. Hes getting paid twice as much as he would in NY and he is going to be on a winning team (the Wolves will suck again this year so a little more money to play for them doesnt make sense for him I bet). Were also giving him the option to opt out over the summer if he wants to go play in a bigger market or if he can get more money elsewhere.

vnzla81
12-13-2011, 02:48 PM
2 years and 5mil is a great deal for a guy like Crawford, I was expecting him to get like 10mil or close to that.

BornReady
12-13-2011, 02:48 PM
get it done Bird! :D

Trader Joe
12-13-2011, 02:49 PM
Wow, 2 years 5 mill per? Larry brought his big boy pants to this offseason.

Marlin
12-13-2011, 02:50 PM
5mil/2yr is a fair deal for Crawford, even if he's not really my top choice. But he's the kind of guy Bird is looking for, who can create his own shot and score off the bench.

On the other hand, are we really content with only PG as a possible backup to Danny? Shouldn't we consider signing someone who plays small forward for a living, so to say? Even as a third string, end of the bench kinda guy.

ilive4sports
12-13-2011, 02:50 PM
2 years for $10mil is a steal. He fits a huge need for this team and thats a cheap contract. This would be a very successful offseason if he signs for that deal.

A.B.Hollywood
12-13-2011, 02:50 PM
I'd take a flyer on Reggie Williams. He can fill it up pretty fast, and shouldn't be too expensive.


THIS

Reggie Williams is the perfect pick-up IMO. He can create his own shot and is streaky as all hell. He had some really good games for GS last year when they had some injury problems.

Under normal circumstances they'd never let him get away but the Deandre signing really hamstrung them and now he's available. Don't get me wrong he's not as good now nor will he ever have the upside someone like Mayo but for what we need it's perfect IMO.

Cheap, Young, High energy guy who's a streaky shooter and can create his own shot? Err. Yes please.

cordobes
12-13-2011, 02:55 PM
I'll be honest I don't recall who Reggie Williams even is. Off to Google I go...



I like Reggie Williams since I saw him in the D-League

http://www.pacersdigest.com/showpost.php?p=972295&postcount=16

[QUOTE]
Talking of call-ups, I called Reggie Williams promising and he's delivering big time for the Golden State Warriors. In the last game versus the Hornets, he dropped 28 points (10-16 FGA, 1-3 3PA, 7-8 FT), 6 assists and 2 steals - which would be a normal line for him in the D-League if one could add 5 or 6 rebounds.

Reggie Williams can really be another good finding for the Warriors in the D-League/undrafted pool, to join CJ Watson, Azubuike, Morrow, Tolliver and Hunter - I think he will. He's a natural scorer, very fluid and smooth putting the ball in the basket. Not a very athletic player, little blowbyability, but has good size, a decent jumper and excellent scoring instincts.

There's something that worries me about Williams - every time I saw him, his use of the right hand (he's a leftie) was... residual. Basically he uses it to help on his stationary dribble. His favourite ISO moves are either a diagonal drive from the left wing finished with a running hook or from the left block - he's really good at this. But in the game vs Orlando I noticed that Vince Carter was smartly overplaying his left and Williams became very timid and never attempted to go right. Even in the D-League he'd quickly pull up a jumper or an innocuous pass after going right. So yeah, he probably needs lots of work on his off-hand. Not someone with great tools to defend, but I'm liking his intensity on that end of the court with the Warriors, even though he's generally assigned the easiest matchup. He's also an excellent and willing passer, I think.

He was horrific in Spain though, he and his team parted ways as soon as the CBA deal was announced. He's available. He isn't a guy a team can yet depend to be at Crawford's level though.

CooperManning
12-13-2011, 02:56 PM
THIS

Reggie Williams is the perfect pick-up IMO. He can create his own shot and is streaky as all hell. He had some really good games for GS last year when they had some injury problems.

Under normal circumstances they'd never let him get away but the Deandre signing really hamstrung them and now he's available. Don't get me wrong he's not as good now nor will he ever have the upside someone like Mayo but for what we need it's perfect IMO.

Cheap, Young, High energy guy who's a streaky shooter and can create his own shot? Err. Yes please.

Clippers matched Deandre.

ilive4sports
12-13-2011, 03:00 PM
[QUOTE]

I like Reggie Williams since I saw him in the D-League

http://www.pacersdigest.com/showpost.php?p=972295&postcount=16



He was horrific in Spain though, he and his team parted ways as soon as the CBA deal was announced. He's available. He isn't a guy a team can yet depend to be at Crawford's level though.

I don't know if this is sincere or sarcastic haha.

Heisenberg
12-13-2011, 03:03 PM
Not too hot on Jamal Crawford, but at least if it does happen I won't be able to complain about the contract

cordobes
12-13-2011, 03:04 PM
[QUOTE=cordobes;1317662]

I don't know if this is sincere or sarcastic haha.

What exactly?

ilive4sports
12-13-2011, 03:06 PM
[QUOTE=ilive4sports;1317671]

What exactly?

The part I bolded, liking him since you saw him in the D League.

EDIT: reading the rest of your post clears it up, I didn't because I was laughing at the statement thinking it was sarcastic

Winner
12-13-2011, 03:08 PM
I'd prefer over anyone OJ Mayo

Lance George
12-13-2011, 03:12 PM
I'd prefer over anyone OJ Mayo

Your name wouldn't happen to be Yoda, would it?

Pacer Fan
12-13-2011, 03:14 PM
Personally, If Paul is going to start at SG, I'd rather see a SF to back up Danny. I also think the biggest thing that we need is a very good quality backup center. Not sure what Larry's plans are for that, but Foster (as much as I wanted him back) is not reliable with his back. Jeff should be the 3rd string sort of speak, spot minutes. I'm not sure with Pendergraph doing the job either (still wet behind the ears).
I understand wanting a sg for the crunch time like JC, but maintaining the Center position for 20+ minutes at a high level seems more important.
If Danny was to miss a few games Paul can rotate, but then we'd be stuck with Jones as a backup SF (not good). I'm ok with George, Hill and Step at guard even tho I think George needs to be a SF, but 1 more year at SG won't hurt, I guess.
With that said, if Jamal was to sign, it would put George backing up Granger more often then not and George prolly wouldn't start. JMO
I guess what I'm getting at is, Pacers should also look at SF as well unless George is gonna be the main go to guy in the second unit (my choice) and finding that very good backup center.

With all this said, it doesn't mean George and Granger can't close games out together if George plays behind Granger.

We could also loof at a SF as well if no SG is worth having.

This is my prefered lineup..
Hibbert / ? / Foster
West / Hans / Pend
Granger / George / Jones
? / Hill / Stephenson
Collison / Hill / Stephenson

or

This is my have to live with lineup..
Hibbert / ? / Foster
West / Hans / Pend
Granger / ? / Jones
George / Hill / Stephenson
Collison / Hill / Stephenson

Psyren
12-13-2011, 03:15 PM
Well at the rate Crawford is taking to decide, he very well may not join us until halfway though the season.

Eleazar
12-13-2011, 03:16 PM
In my opinion if we can't get Mayo or Crawford it is best just to sit tight, and do nothing. Maybe sign some young minimum salary guys to fill out the last to spots, but other than that it is stupid to make a move just to make a move. I would also be in support of bringing over Stanko if it isn't too late.

MnvrChvy
12-13-2011, 04:13 PM
I know everyone will hate this idea but I think we should just stick it out with who we have at guard. I think Bird needs to sit Rush down and show him the single tweet that includes both his brother being signed and also waived. "Do you want this to be you in 9 months?" Right now, he can be the 3rd string 3 until he proves worth more. I also think Inferno is not getting a fair shake here as well. If he's the end of your 2-guard string, you're in good shape.

I'd bring in an insurance guy for the 5 and save the rest of my money. Crawford at 5/yr would be a good contract, but I just don't think he's necessary.

daschysta
12-13-2011, 04:28 PM
I'd like all the depth I can get, I really would, especially this year, but there is a part of me that want PG to get as many minutes as he can handle without deferring to some of these other me-first offense kind of guys, because paul will definitely sacrifice for the good of others, I definitely think developing PG is the best thing we can do right now for the future of the Franchise.

BPump33
12-13-2011, 04:48 PM
Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine 42 sec Reply Retweet Favorite Open
Sources tell ESPN that Mavs are in advanced discussions to deal Rudy Fernandez to Denver Nuggets for future draft considerations

Does that mean Denver wouldn't match Afflalo?

BPump33
12-13-2011, 04:49 PM
Ken Berger @KBergCBS
Restricted free agent Marco Belinelli has signed the $3.4M qualifying offer to stay in New Orleans, source says.

Young
12-13-2011, 04:56 PM
Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine 42 sec Reply Retweet Favorite Open
Sources tell ESPN that Mavs are in advanced discussions to deal Rudy Fernandez to Denver Nuggets for future draft considerations

Does that mean Denver wouldn't match Afflalo?

Man if the Pacers could work out a deal with Afflalo they should! I would much rather have him than Crawford or Mayo.

I could still see Denver matching Afflalo though but if not the Pacers should be trying to sign him. He would be a fantastic signing.

Doddage
12-13-2011, 04:57 PM
Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine 42 sec Reply Retweet Favorite Open
Sources tell ESPN that Mavs are in advanced discussions to deal Rudy Fernandez to Denver Nuggets for future draft considerations

Does that mean Denver wouldn't match Afflalo?
They have a ton of cap room so I bet they would. They probably want Rudy as a backup.

CableKC
12-13-2011, 04:59 PM
Some have brought up Rodney Stuckey. Let's say he'd agree to be a shooting guard (which is what he really is anyway). Can he create his own shot effectively? How much do you think he would cost per year?

Other than Stuckey, who else is still an interesting free agent at SG?

Then on the other hand, what about trades?
I know that KStat doesn't like it...but I'd send DC in a S&T of Stuckey for whatever amount of $$$ is reasonable to have Stuckey run the point...then go out and make a run at Reggie Williams if all we want it a scorer.

CableKC
12-13-2011, 05:00 PM
Ken Berger @KBergCBS
Restricted free agent Marco Belinelli has signed the $3.4M qualifying offer to stay in New Orleans, source says.
For me, Bellineli is the man behind curtain # 194319.

xBulletproof
12-13-2011, 05:02 PM
I'll be honest I don't recall who Reggie Williams even is. Off to Google I go...

Just remember this, his defense is pathetic. :cool:

Larry Staverman
12-13-2011, 05:06 PM
I know that KStat doesn't like it...but I'd send DC in a S&T of Stuckey for whatever amount of $$$ is reasonable to have Stuckey run the point...then go out and make a run at Reggie Williams if all we want it a scorer.

DC is going to be better this year than a lot of people realize. The Pistons spent a high lottery pick on a PG because Stuckey isn't one.

xBulletproof
12-13-2011, 05:08 PM
I've repeatedly said I don't want Crawford, but for 5 mil per for 2 years, I won't complain about that. That's good value.

vnzla81
12-13-2011, 05:11 PM
I would love Rudy Fernandez, he can score and plays D pretty well.

Lance George
12-13-2011, 05:32 PM
It looks like Fernandez is on his way to Denver, and Corey Brewer might be coming with him.

Nuggets To Acquire Fernandez From Mavs - RealGM Wiretap (http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/217482/Nuggets_To_Acquire_Fernandez_From_Mavs)


Nuggets To Acquire Fernandez From Mavs

Dec 13, 2011 4:03 PM EST


http://basketball.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/wiretap/photos/2006/Fernandez_Rudy_por_090428.jpg

The Mavericks are in advanced trade talks with the Nuggets on Rudy Fernandez. Denver would send future draft considerations in return.

HoopsHype is reporting that a trade has been agreed upon, though Marc Stein reports that the Nuggets are also interested in Corey Brewer and that the deal could be expanded.


Via Marc Stein/ESPN (via Twitter) (http://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine)

graphic-er
12-13-2011, 05:53 PM
It looks like Fernandez is on his way to Denver, and Corey Brewer might be coming with him.

Nuggets To Acquire Fernandez From Mavs - RealGM Wiretap (http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/217482/Nuggets_To_Acquire_Fernandez_From_Mavs)

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This, we need to unload Rush or Price to Denver for a pick. Denver needs like an entire team, I'm not even sure they had enough people on Training Camp day to field a starting 5.

graphic-er
12-13-2011, 05:54 PM
I would love Rudy Fernandez, he can score and plays D pretty well.

Rudy does not play anything that resembles D. This guy only got a contract in the NBA because he can make some circus shots and nice passes.