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Sandman21
12-11-2011, 03:26 PM
WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
The Rockets are working to sign Marc Gasol to a 4 year, $55M offer sheet, sources tell Y! Memphis would have 3 days to match, or lose him.
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Heisenberg
12-11-2011, 03:28 PM
Put up or shut up Memphis. And then give us Mayo.

pacer4ever
12-11-2011, 03:31 PM
Yao Ming retiring really help Houston get cap room.

Brad8888
12-11-2011, 03:31 PM
Crap. I still held out some hope for a big who can defend. Maybe next lockout...

Mackey_Rose
12-11-2011, 03:32 PM
It was always expected Gasol would get the max. This just guarantees it.

cordobes
12-11-2011, 03:32 PM
They will match. There was other tweet mentioning a sign and trade, but that would surprise me.

Sandman21
12-11-2011, 03:32 PM
FlyerGrizBlog Chris Herrington
If Houston and Memphis are negotiating S&T it's because Gasol is trying to get out and Griz are relenting.
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vnzla81
12-11-2011, 03:33 PM
At least Houston have some balls.

skyfire
12-11-2011, 03:35 PM
Memphis wouldn't blink before accepting that. Great price for Gasol.

Doddage
12-11-2011, 03:45 PM
Memphis wouldn't blink before accepting that. Great price for Gasol.
A LOT better than Nene for 4 yrs/65 mil.

Justin Tyme
12-11-2011, 03:45 PM
FlyerGrizBlog Chris Herrington
If Houston and Memphis are negotiating S&T it's because Gasol is trying to get out and Griz are relenting.
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If Memphis is willing to trade Gasol, I wonder what they'd be interested from the Pacers for Gasol?

Maybe a 3 way trade with the Pacers where the Pacers could get Scola.

Scot Pollard
12-11-2011, 03:46 PM
Put up or shut up Memphis. And then give us Mayo.

I think we'll wind up getting him in the end.

They want Josh, we want O.J.

Both were willing to do it at the deadline, but time ran out.

Smits Happens
12-11-2011, 03:49 PM
Memphis wouldn't blink before accepting that. Great price for Gasol.


A LOT better than Nene for 4 yrs/65 mil.

I believe that's a max offer for Gasol.

naptownmenace
12-11-2011, 03:51 PM
Memphis wouldn't blink before accepting that. Great price for Gasol.

They'll have over $50 mill tied up in just 4 players if they match it. I think it's a no-brainer that Memphis will match this and try to free up cap space through salary dump trades like OJ Mayo for a lesser priced player.

That Rudy Gay contract was ridiculous. I'm guessing they wish they could have a do over right now.

CableKC
12-11-2011, 03:52 PM
Eh....the Grizzlies will match.

Funny how...in the span of 2 days....the Pacers went from being a Team with Capspace and some needs and not being able to get anything...to a Team with something....and the Rockets went from a Team gutting their roster for Pau Gasol to a Team ending up with next to nothing.

xBulletproof
12-11-2011, 03:52 PM
If Memphis matches, it will put them at 61.1 million in salary this year. What's the tax this year, and how close are they? I believe they still need to fill 3 roster spots.

BringJackBack
12-11-2011, 03:53 PM
At least Houston have some balls.

If by "having balls" you mean throwing millions after millions in a max contract for a 12 and 7 center and throwing any hopes of contending in the garbage, then I'm happy that we don't have any. ;)

Pacerized
12-11-2011, 03:53 PM
It was always expected Gasol would get the max. This just guarantees it.

That's not a max offer it's only 13.75 mil per year average, we're offering more then that for Nene.

PaceBalls
12-11-2011, 03:54 PM
That's not a max offer it's only 13.75 mil per year average, we're offering more then that for Nene.

The max differs for players depending on how long they have been in the league. I think that is the max that Houston can offer. Anyone know for sure?

xBulletproof
12-11-2011, 03:55 PM
That's not a max offer it's only 13.75 mil per year average, we're offering more then that for Nene.

The max is dependent upon how many years you've been in the league. Nene has been in the NBA longer.

Mackey_Rose
12-11-2011, 03:59 PM
That's not a max offer it's only 13.75 mil per year average, we're offering more then that for Nene.

That's the max for Gasol.

imawhat
12-11-2011, 04:03 PM
I think we'll wind up getting him in the end.

They want Josh, we want O.J.

Both were willing to do it at the deadline, but time ran out.

Yes, but if they let Gasol go, the trade dies.

Reason 1- Houston is trading back a big that Memphis likes.
Reason 2- if reason 1 doesn't work, they can sign Josh outright without having to lose Mayo.

daschysta
12-11-2011, 04:05 PM
At least Houston have some balls.

Plus, what if the grizz take all 3 days to match, while in the meantime all of houston's other free agent targets have already signed elsewhere?

cordobes
12-11-2011, 04:14 PM
If Memphis matches, it will put them at 61.1 million in salary this year. What's the tax this year, and how close are they? I believe they still need to fill 3 roster spots.

$70.3 million

I have them at $67 million for 11 players.


Randolph: 15.2 / 16.5 / 17.8. / 16.5
Gay: 15.0 / 16.5 /17.9 / 19.3
Gasol: 13.7 / 13.7 / 13.7 / 13.7
Conley: 6.6 / 7.3 / 8.0 / 8.7 / 9.4

Pricey core.

wintermute
12-11-2011, 04:20 PM
How did the Rockets get enough cap room to make a max offer to Gasol? They're about $8m under the cap when factoring rookies and cap holds. That's not enough.

Or is Thabeet getting the amnesty assumed?

xBulletproof
12-11-2011, 04:22 PM
$70.3 million

I have them at $67 million for 11 players.


Randolph: 15.2 / 16.5 / 17.8. / 16.5
Gay: 15.0 / 16.5 /17.9 / 19.3
Gasol: 13.7 / 13.7 / 13.7 / 13.7
Conley: 6.6 / 7.3 / 8.0 / 8.7 / 9.4

Pricey core.

I read Gasol's first year salary is 12.9.

I used one sites numbers, but when I went to another it came up to 67 as well. The only way they're getting McRoberts or any real front court help is a S&T now.

wintermute
12-11-2011, 04:23 PM
$70.3 million

I have them at $67 million for 11 players.


Randolph: 15.2 / 16.5 / 17.8. / 16.5
Gay: 15.0 / 16.5 /17.9 / 19.3
Gasol: 13.7 / 13.7 / 13.7 / 13.7
Conley: 6.6 / 7.3 / 8.0 / 8.7 / 9.4

Pricey core.

Pricey indeed. But I think Memphis still retains Gasol, and if finances ever become a problem they'll look to ditch Gay first.

Justin Tyme
12-11-2011, 04:36 PM
Pricey indeed. But I think Memphis still retains Gasol, and if finances ever become a problem they'll look to ditch Gay first.



They made to the playoffs and the 2nd round w/o him last season. His contract is too much. It should have been more inline with Grangers.

trs72
12-11-2011, 05:02 PM
They made to the playoffs and the 2nd round w/o him last season. His contract is too much. It should have been more inline with Grangers.

Yeah Rudy was overpaid as he is not a superstar, very good player but not elite. I could see them wanting to move him for the right deal.

cordobes
12-11-2011, 05:05 PM
I read Gasol's first year salary is 12.9.

I used one sites numbers, but when I went to another it came up to 67 as well. The only way they're getting McRoberts or any real front court help is a S&T now.

Yeah, I was just using the average for Gasol. I used shamsports for the salaries. And yes, right now they don't have much room to fill those spots.


How did the Rockets get enough cap room to make a max offer to Gasol? They're about $8m under the cap when factoring rookies and cap holds. That's not enough.

Or is Thabeet getting the amnesty assumed?

I assumed so. I wouldn't be surprised if we end up hearing that Houston is only offering a S&T.

Thabeet, if amnestied, can be a low risk/high reward pick for someone.

Pacerized
12-11-2011, 05:39 PM
That's the max for Gasol.

I was under the impression that Gasol could get 25% of the cap and Nene 30%.
With a 58 mil cap that would be a contract starting at 14.5 mil increasing 4.5% each season.

Lance George
12-11-2011, 07:28 PM
daldridgetnt David Aldridge
Grizzlies owner Michael Heisley says team will match the 4-year, $55M offer sheet from Houston on Marc Gasol. Check out the Hang Time Blog.

daschysta
12-11-2011, 07:30 PM
Yeah Rudy was overpaid as he is not a superstar, very good player but not elite. I could see them wanting to move him for the right deal.

A deal centered around a Gay for Granger swap may be attractive to Memphis now, they were very, very good without gay last year, granger fits better, and is much more affordable.

I wouldn't consider it though unless Memphis is sweetening the pot with more talent, the pacers are in a very good place salary wise, and we're building our team similar to memphis in many ways. If our counterparts to memphis's players are on much more reasonable salaries we may be able to add that extra piece that really makes us contenders.

Plus the fact that they matched Gasol means that we have a much better chance at completing our deal for mayo. They won't be able to afford mayo's extension, so we sign josh to one that they can afford, and we get to take a flyer on a super high talent guy, that may just need a change of scenery, adds to our depth and can be added to a possible trade to consolidate some depth. Plus Josh isn't coming back any how. Win Win.

imawhat
12-11-2011, 07:35 PM
daldridgetnt David Aldridge
Grizzlies owner Michael Heisley says team will match the 4-year, $55M offer sheet from Houston on Marc Gasol. Check out the Hang Time Blog.


Our chances of getting Mayo just went up. I doubt it, but there's even a chance that we could get him without a S&T involving McRoberts. We'll see.

Lance George
12-11-2011, 07:46 PM
Thabeet, if amnestied, can be a low risk/high reward pick for someone.

Definitely agree. He'll likely never be anything on offense, but he has the tools to be a monster rebounder and shot blocker. That was enough to get DeAndre Jordan $43M, so it should get Thabeet another look from someone.

cdash
12-11-2011, 07:51 PM
Our chances of getting Mayo just went up. I doubt it, but there's even a chance that we could get him without a S&T involving McRoberts. We'll see.

How would we do that? Mayo isn't a free agent, so we would have to trade something to get him. Why not S&T a guy we don't have any real intention of re-signing anyways?

Mackey_Rose
12-11-2011, 08:24 PM
How would we do that? Mayo isn't a free agent, so we would have to trade something to get him. Why not S&T a guy we don't have any real intention of re-signing anyways?

There has to be an incentive for that guy to agree to it. If he already has a deal in place to go there outright, the Pacers have to do something to make it worth consideration for both Memphis and McRoberts.

cdash
12-11-2011, 08:26 PM
There has to be an incentive for that guy to agree to it. If he already has a deal in place to go there outright, the Pacers have to do something to make it worth consideration for both Memphis and McRoberts.

I understand that. I was responding to the guy who made it seem like we could get Mayo for even less than a sign-and-traded McRoberts. Not sure how that could be possible.

imawhat
12-11-2011, 08:28 PM
It's a minute chance, but the Grizzlies salary is getting pretty tight. They might be looking to cut salary. Since we're under the cap, we can acquire Mayo for next to nothing (a pick, a lower salary player or two, etc.).

I'm just hoping the interest in McRoberts/Grizzlies is mutual. I'm crossing fingers, but my gut says we won't get Mayo.

Kraft
12-11-2011, 08:37 PM
It could simply be that Memphis needs to trim payroll. Trading A.J. Price straight up for any useful player could make sense for a tax-troubled team. It's simply a matter of trimming payroll. The Pacers can take on salary. It can be that simple.

Oh, and as to incentive for the player? Because the team that wants to pay him wants him to sign and trade. In theory, that's something designed to help that team; who wouldn't want to help your squad out like that?