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Unclebuck
10-30-2004, 11:23 AM
I'm not. But I get tired of so many criticizing contracts two and three years later, while no one ever complains when contracts are first signed.

So here is your chance to criticize something when it actually happens.

Anyone think that it is too much or too long. If no one complains then I and others can rightfully say, well no one complained when he signed the contract.

Kegboy
10-30-2004, 11:26 AM
Of course not. My question to you is, a year ago did you ever think you'd be okay with us signing him to this deal?
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Asked afterward if O'Neal's absence contributed to Charlotte's win, Knight bristled.

"What about Primoz? They didn't have Shaq, but we didn't have Primoz," he said.

SoupIsGood
10-30-2004, 11:34 AM
Tins for President!

Unclebuck
10-30-2004, 11:36 AM
Of course not. My question to you is, a year ago did you ever think you'd be okay with us signing him to this deal?
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Asked afterward if O'Neal's absence contributed to Charlotte's win, Knight bristled.

"What about Primoz? They didn't have Shaq, but we didn't have Primoz," he said.


Kegboy, you are correct about that. But Tinsley finally got into shape, which has really helped him in all aspects of the game. He is so much better on defense it is amazing, and now he can create off the dribble. Those were the two areas where I was most concerned. His shooting and his "decision making" never concerned me that much.

Anthem
10-30-2004, 11:47 AM
Yeah, that could end up being a pretty good deal.

If we could shake loose from Pollard's/Croshere's deals, I'd feel great.

able
10-30-2004, 11:55 AM
This deal is great for many reasons:

1. Mel Mel is happy with it, which means no disgruntled player, no trouble with a restricted FA etc.
2. It proves to everyone that the P's have faith in Tins to be our PG for a long time coming and that Larry's talk about him as not just "wild thoughts".
3. Stability in player movements


I for one am very happy with this deal, and we will in 1 or 2 years time most likely thank our lucky stars that he was signed to so long an extension for so little money, just as we will and already should thank those same people for the contract Ron signed.

Lord Helmet
10-30-2004, 12:15 PM
I like the deal and I like Tins.He has lost more weight and is probably alittle faster.

Unclebuck
10-30-2004, 12:15 PM
Yeah, that could end up being a pretty good deal.

If we could shake loose from Pollard's/Croshere's deals, I'd feel great.

Careful there, those are our starting power forward and center right now.

Lord Helmet
10-30-2004, 12:17 PM
Yeah, that could end up being a pretty good deal.

If we could shake loose from Pollard's/Croshere's deals, I'd feel great.

Careful there, those are our starting power forward and center right now.

:shudder: :(

Cactus Jax
10-30-2004, 01:08 PM
In terms of just comparing him with other players in the NBA, the $40 million over six years is a bit much. I believe Carlos Arroyo got a 4 year, $16 million dollar contract and I count them to be about equal in terms of talent.

But young good PG's are hard to come by and if the Pacers were to let him become a free-agent, they might have either gotten him for less than the $40 million, or had a repeat of Brad Miller with teams that need a PG.

Overall, I don't think it's horrible but the price is a little high especially because PG's can wear down fast and the 6 years is a little scary. I'm not going to say he's overpaid but I think to say he's a bargain isn't correst either.

Anthem
10-30-2004, 02:32 PM
Yeah, that could end up being a pretty good deal.

If we could shake loose from Pollard's/Croshere's deals, I'd feel great.

Careful there, those are our starting power forward and center right now.


That's kinda my point. Between the two of them, they make 14 mil this year. I'm trying hard to imagine a scenario where we wouldn't be better off putting that money other places. Ask yourself this question: how much of a dropoff would there be if we replaced Croshere with Holcomb? Cause Holcomb is 8 million dollars cheaper.

wintermute
10-31-2004, 08:18 AM
carlos arroyo did sign a 4-year $16M deal with utah. that does seem to be a good bargain.

here are what some free agent point guards recently signed for:

rafer alston 6 years, $24M
dereck fisher 6 years, $35M
steve nash 6 years, $60M

tony parker is reportedly asking for close to $70M over 6 years (that's brad miller money). his agent even suggests that parker will get a max offer next summer if the spurs don't sign him now. i like parker, but he's not that good. the market for pg's must be getting as bad as for centers.

all in all, i think pacers locked up tinsley at a reasonable price.

one concern though is that the team payroll has ballooned to over $70M next year. if reggie retires then it won't be a problem, but otherwise pacers may look to cut salary. fortunately, pollard's contract is expiring next year so it may not be too hard to move.

sixthman
10-31-2004, 09:49 AM
As you look at next year's payroll, looks like the P's are looking for Reggie to retire. And, yes, Scot's contract mercifully ends.

Suaveness
10-31-2004, 10:04 AM
And Cro's contract will be gone a couple years after that too

MZahm
10-31-2004, 10:06 AM
I think a 6 year 36 million contract would have seemed "fair" to me, so 40 mil is decent. Still, I like Tins and I think he has the potential to make the contract seem like a good deal in a year or two - probably not the sort of bargain Artest's looks like though.