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According to Charlie Casserly on NFL Today on CBS Caldwell will be back in 2012 and they'll draft Luck if they can

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  • According to Charlie Casserly on NFL Today on CBS Caldwell will be back in 2012 and they'll draft Luck if they can

    Which leads me to come to these conclusions(if this is legit):

    1. They are intentionally tanking.. there is no explanation for them to bring Caldwell back for next season after the epic fail that is this season and if they do end up 0-16 and they bring him back there is no hope for this team. None.

    2. Coyer is history and will take the fall for this(while that's a relief he's not the only problem)

    3. They sent a message to the vets they are going to rebuild which means Manning may as well be gone too.

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    Re: According to Charlie Casserly on NFL Today on CBS Caldwell will be back in 2012 and they'll draft Luck if they can

    Rumors, heresay, speculation...

    We'll see in the offseason.

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      Re: According to Charlie Casserly on NFL Today on CBS Caldwell will be back in 2012 and they'll draft Luck if they can

      Maybe

      But really would you be surprised if they used the "Well Peyton got hurt" and that's why we had a bad record excuse.

      So much for the next man up BS.

      If this comes to pass if I'm Manning I would be beyond pissed they used me as an excuse for them to not do their jobs.

      Of course you're right this is speculation but just thinking about this makes me ill.

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        Re: According to Charlie Casserly on NFL Today on CBS Caldwell will be back in 2012 and they'll draft Luck if they can

        Originally posted by Basketball Fan View Post
        Which leads me to come to these conclusions(if this is legit):

        1. They are intentionally tanking.. there is no explanation for them to bring Caldwell back for next season after the epic fail that is this season and if they do end up 0-16 and they bring him back there is no hope for this team. None.

        2. Coyer is history and will take the fall for this(while that's a relief he's not the only problem)

        3. They sent a message to the vets they are going to rebuild which means Manning may as well be gone too.
        They keep talking about Manning's nerves coming back so even if the surgery was successful when Manning gets full arm strength back is unknown.

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          Re: According to Charlie Casserly on NFL Today on CBS Caldwell will be back in 2012 and they'll draft Luck if they can

          Of course we'll draft Luck, Manning doesn't have 3-4 good years left. Anyone who says or thinks that is completely delusional. He isn't messing with playing ability, he's toying with his life! One bad hit and he is paralyzed. We will be lucky (no pun intended) if he even ever returns for a single snap! Draft Luck, and let the rebuild (or semi-rebuild) process begin. With Bill at the draft helm instead of his idiot son, we could be back in the Super Bowl in 3-4 years if Luck pans out.
          Senior at the University of Louisville.
          Greenfield ---> The Ville

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            Re: According to Charlie Casserly on NFL Today on CBS Caldwell will be back in 2012 and they'll draft Luck if they can

            Originally posted by Steagles View Post
            ....With Bill at the draft helm instead of his idiot son, we could be back in the Super Bowl in 3-4 years if Luck pans out.
            Don't fool yourself, Bill HAS been at the helm of every draft pick the Colts have made since he arrived including these last few years. There's no way a guy like Polian is going to let anyone else, not even his son, make those picks as long as he's around.

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              Re: According to Charlie Casserly on NFL Today on CBS Caldwell will be back in 2012 and they'll draft Luck if they can

              Originally posted by travmil View Post
              Don't fool yourself, Bill HAS been at the helm of every draft pick the Colts have made since he arrived including these last few years. There's no way a guy like Polian is going to let anyone else, not even his son, make those picks as long as he's around.
              Ya Bill on his radio show said he makes the picks but it is a "collective effort" but he has final say.

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                Re: According to Charlie Casserly on NFL Today on CBS Caldwell will be back in 2012 and they'll draft Luck if they can

                I'm fine with Polian picking. I would have picked Ryan Leaf...;<)

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                  Re: According to Charlie Casserly on NFL Today on CBS Caldwell will be back in 2012 and they'll draft Luck if they can

                  Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post
                  I'm fine with Polian picking. I would have picked Ryan Leaf...;<)
                  In 1998 sure

                  In 2011? Not so much

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                  • #10
                    Re: According to Charlie Casserly on NFL Today on CBS Caldwell will be back in 2012 and they'll draft Luck if they can

                    Charlie Casserly has no knowledge or source within the franchise. He has no clue what he's talking about.

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                      Re: According to Charlie Casserly on NFL Today on CBS Caldwell will be back in 2012 and they'll draft Luck if they can

                      Originally posted by Heisenberg View Post
                      Charlie Casserly has no knowledge or source within the franchise. He has no clue what he's talking about.


                      Maybe but if Caldwell is back next season we know who said it first

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                        Re: According to Charlie Casserly on NFL Today on CBS Caldwell will be back in 2012 and they'll draft Luck if they can

                        Originally posted by travmil View Post
                        Don't fool yourself, Bill HAS been at the helm of every draft pick the Colts have made since he arrived including these last few years. There's no way a guy like Polian is going to let anyone else, not even his son, make those picks as long as he's around.
                        http://www.stampedeblue.com/2011/5/2...colts-football

                        Chris started drafting in 2011 since he became president, and Bil became vice-chairman
                        Senior at the University of Louisville.
                        Greenfield ---> The Ville

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                          Re: According to Charlie Casserly on NFL Today on CBS Caldwell will be back in 2012 and they'll draft Luck if they can

                          Originally posted by Steagles View Post
                          http://www.stampedeblue.com/2011/5/2...colts-football

                          Chris started drafting in 2011 since he became president, and Bil became vice-chairman
                          Even neglecting that I in no way believe that Bill Polian isn't in charge, wouldn't the fact that Chris was "in charge" of the 2011 draft be encouraging when compared to the drafts from 2007-2010?

                          1st round pick Anthony Castonzo has looked capable of being a LT for the next decade.

                          Ben Ijalana in his extremely brief playing time looked to have potential. (Both look a lot better than Bill's Tony Ugoh pick who cost us both a 1st and a 2nd round pick.)

                          3rd rounder Drake Nevis has been our best DT. (Granted, that's not saying much.)

                          Delone Carter has been by far our 2nd best RB as 4th rounder. (Much, much better than Bill's 1st round bust Donald Brown.)

                          Chris Rucker was a 5th rounder who has played all season.

                          2011 got us 4 valuable contributors and another who is playing.

                          The recent Bill Polian drafts got us:

                          2007:
                          1st: Anthony Gonzalez
                          2nd: Tony Ugoh
                          3rd: Dante Hughes
                          4th: Brannon Condren
                          4th: Clint Session
                          5th: Roy Hall
                          7th: Keyunta Dawson

                          2008:
                          1st: Traded for Tony Ugoh
                          2nd: Mike Pollak
                          3rd: Phillip Wheeler
                          4th: Jacob Tamme
                          5th: Marcus Howard
                          6th: Tom Santi
                          6th: Steve Justice
                          6th: Mike Hart
                          6th: Pierre Garcon
                          7th: Jamey Richard

                          2009:
                          1st: Donald Brown
                          2nd: Fili Moala
                          3rd: Jerraud Powers
                          4th: Austin Collie
                          4th: Terrence Taylor
                          6th: Curtis Painter
                          7th: Jamie Thomas

                          2010:
                          1st: Jerry Hughes
                          2nd: Pat Angerer
                          3rd: Kevin Thomas
                          4th: Jacques McClendon
                          5th: Brody Eldridge
                          7th: Ricardo Mathews
                          7th: Ray Fisher

                          It's early but the 2011 draft looks about 50 times better than every other draft in recent years.
                          Last edited by BRushWithDeath; 11-02-2011, 11:24 AM.
                          "I had to take her down like Chris Brown."

                          -Lance Stephenson

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                            Re: According to Charlie Casserly on NFL Today on CBS Caldwell will be back in 2012 and they'll draft Luck if they can

                            Originally posted by BRushWithDeath View Post
                            Even neglecting that I in no way believe that Bill Polian isn't in charge, wouldn't the fact that Chris was "in charge" of the 2011 draft be encouraging when compared to the drafts from 2007-2010?

                            1st round pick Anthony Castonzo has looked capable of being a LT for the next decade.

                            Ben Ijalana in his extremely brief playing time looked to have potential. (Both look a lot better than Bill's Tony Ugoh pick who cost us both a 1st and a 2nd round pick.)

                            3rd rounder Drake Nevis has been our best DT. (Granted, that's not saying much.)

                            Delone Carter has been by far our 2nd best RB as 4th rounder. (Much, much better than Bill's 1st round bust Donald Brown.)

                            Chris Rucker was a 5th rounder who has played all season.

                            2011 got us 4 valuable contributors and another who is playing.

                            The recent Bill Polian drafts got us:

                            2007:
                            1st: Anthony Gonzalez
                            2nd: Tony Ugoh
                            3rd: Dante Hughes
                            4th: Brannon Condren
                            4th: Clint Session
                            5th: Roy Hall
                            7th: Keyunta Dawson

                            2008:
                            1st: Traded for Tony Ugoh
                            2nd: Mike Pollak
                            3rd: Phillip Wheeler
                            4th: Jacob Tamme
                            5th: Marcus Howard
                            6th: Tom Santi
                            6th: Steve Justice
                            6th: Mike Hart
                            6th: Pierre Garcon
                            7th: Jamey Richard

                            2009:
                            1st: Donald Brown
                            2nd: Fili Moala
                            3rd: Jerraud Powers
                            4th: Austin Collie

                            4th: Terrence Taylor
                            6th: Curtis Painter
                            7th: Jamie Thomas

                            2010:
                            1st: Jerry Hughes
                            2nd: Pat Angerer
                            3rd: Kevin Thomas
                            4th: Jacques McClendon
                            5th: Brody Eldridge
                            7th: Ricardo Mathews
                            7th: Ray Fisher

                            It's early but the 2011 draft looks about 50 times better than every other draft in recent years.
                            So, to me, since 2007, I counted 6 players that turned out to be good. I'm not sure about some of the O-Lineman though.

                            Those are some weak *** drafts. I also think the 2011 was a grand-slam, but injuries are hampering our top 3 picks. Even when we nail a draft, that *****ing injury bug bites us in the ***. Really liked all of the 2011 picks.
                            First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.

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