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arenn
07-27-2011, 02:48 PM
FYI: http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/breaking/chi-jalen-rose-gets-20-days-in-jail-for-drunk-driving-20110727,0,3664694.story

31andonly
07-27-2011, 02:54 PM
Former Pacers guard Jalen Rose...

90'sNBARocked
07-27-2011, 03:32 PM
I am in no way shape or form saying drunk driving is not serious, but either is this judge. Jalen has been a prime exmple of someone who had a very difficult upbringing but has made not only a solid citizen, but given to others time and time again

The fact that he didnt hurt anyone, he was barely over the limit and had no prior dui conviction makes it ludicris what this judge did

shame on her

graphic-er
07-27-2011, 03:40 PM
I am in no way shape or form saying drunk driving is not serious, but either is this judge. Jalen has been a prime exmple of someone who had a very difficult upbringing but has made not only a solid citizen, but given to others time and time again

The fact that he didnt hurt anyone, he was barely over the limit and had no prior dui conviction makes it ludicris what this judge did

shame on her

I agree, most people get off with community service and probation and lose their license. The idea that he has to serve time for this is ludicrous.

Lou Bega
07-27-2011, 03:41 PM
Jalen may have chose to do his time and get the case over with. Why do a year probation, pay fees (alchol classes/drug test) if you can just serve a few days and be done with the situation.

I know he didnt get convicted in Indiana but a person can serve 5 months of 6 months of probation violate for a failed drug test & get hit with all their back up time. PROBATION is the Biggest Money Racket in INDIANA!!!!

Sookie
07-27-2011, 03:45 PM
I am in no way shape or form saying drunk driving is not serious, but either is this judge. Jalen has been a prime exmple of someone who had a very difficult upbringing but has made not only a solid citizen, but given to others time and time again

The fact that he didnt hurt anyone, he was barely over the limit and had no prior dui conviction makes it ludicris what this judge did

shame on her

Depends on the rules of the state. I don't know where this happened, but some states require automatic jail time for a DUI (Arizona definitely does)..even if it's the first time.

Shockingly, I disagree with you. ;) A DUI is a DUI, you could kill someone. It's so incredibly stupid and selfish, that I don't think jail time is too harsh. I think people learn from their mistakes if they pay for their mistakes. And I felt this way when one of my favorite players of all time (Taurasi) got a DUI as well.

dal9
07-27-2011, 03:48 PM
^^No, this judge sentences every first time offender to week(s) in jail for DUI...
(except one time when a second-offender's sister was a friend...ahem.) (http://www.freep.com/article/20110725/NEWS06/107250334/Oakland-County-judge-among-toughest-nation-1st-time-drunken-driving-offenders)

Since86
07-27-2011, 03:48 PM
Shockingly, I disagree with you. ;) A DUI is a DUI, you could kill someone. It's so incredibly stupid and selfish, that I don't think jail time is too harsh. I think people learn from their mistakes if they pay for their mistakes. And I felt this way when one of my favorite players of all time (Taurasi) got a DUI as well.

DISCLAIMER: I'm not trying to mount a pro-DUI argument here but.....

The law used to be .1 in order to be a DUI. Did more/better research come out and show that the difference between the levels is so great that the laws needed to be changed for safety purposes? Or was the law changed to try and grab more revenue from it?

Honestly, I don't know the answer. But I bet money had alteast a small part in the decision making.

Also, I haven't read the article, so Jalen might have tested out at 0.11 anyways, which renders the argument moot. I'm just providing a different way at looking at the situation.

righteouscool
07-27-2011, 04:02 PM
DISCLAIMER: I'm not trying to mount a pro-DUI argument here but.....

The law used to be .1 in order to be a DUI. Did more/better research come out and show that the difference between the levels is so great that the laws needed to be changed for safety purposes? Or was the law changed to try and grab more revenue from it?

Honestly, I don't know the answer. But I bet money had alteast a small part in the decision making.

Also, I haven't read the article, so Jalen might have tested out at 0.11 anyways, which renders the argument moot. I'm just providing a different way at looking at the situation.

The .08 alcohol limit has always seemed a bit strange to me. Seems a bit arbitrary and can change from person to person. I'm pretty sure you can drink a few beers after work and be right at the legal limit.

That said, that's the rule of the land and I'll never understand rich athletes that don't just get someone to drive them where they're going.

90'sNBARocked
07-27-2011, 04:44 PM
Depends on the rules of the state. I don't know where this happened, but some states require automatic jail time for a DUI (Arizona definitely does)..even if it's the first time.

Shockingly, I disagree with you. ;) A DUI is a DUI, you could kill someone. It's so incredibly stupid and selfish, that I don't think jail time is too harsh. I think people learn from their mistakes if they pay for their mistakes. And I felt this way when one of my favorite players of all time (Taurasi) got a DUI as well.

no worries

Yes Arizona is rediculous with their law. I heard a lawyer wass arrested for DUI after having literally 1 glass of wine (I realize he could be lying but he seemed adamt and took the case to higher courts) Sherrif Joe Arpario is a complete wack job and one of the most blatant abusers of power I have ever seen


Arpaio promotes himself as "America's Toughest Sheriff."[1][2] He is well known for his outspoken stance against illegal immigration.[3] Arpaio has become a flashpoint for controversy surrounding Arizona's SB1070 anti-illegal immigration act.[4]

Arpaio is currently the subject of FBI,[5] United States Department of Justice,[6] and Federal Grand Jury[7] investigations for civil rights violations and abuse of power, and is the defendant in a federal class-action suit for racial profiling.[8]

Arpaio has become controversial for aggressive publicity-seeking,[9] retaliation against political enemies,[10] abuse of power,[11] civil rights violations,[12] and financial mismanagement


In 2008 a federal grand jury began an inquiry of Arpaio for abuse of power, in connection with an FBI investigation.[68][69] Arpaio is being investigated for politically motivated and "bogus" prosecutions, which a former US Attorney called "utterly unacceptable".[68][69] Phoenix Mayor Phil Gordon has called Arpaio's "long list" of questionable prosecutions "a reign of terror".[69]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio

cgg
07-27-2011, 04:46 PM
DISCLAIMER: I'm not trying to mount a pro-DUI argument here but.....

The law used to be .1 in order to be a DUI. Did more/better research come out and show that the difference between the levels is so great that the laws needed to be changed for safety purposes? Or was the law changed to try and grab more revenue from it?

Honestly, I don't know the answer. But I bet money had alteast a small part in the decision making.

Also, I haven't read the article, so Jalen might have tested out at 0.11 anyways, which renders the argument moot. I'm just providing a different way at looking at the situation.

.088


Authorities say Rose had an 0.088 percent blood-alcohol content

Day-V
07-27-2011, 04:58 PM
From ESPN.com
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/6808190/jalen-rose-receives-jail-time-drunken-driving

Jalen Rose to do jail time for DUI
ESPN.com news services

BLOOMFIELD HILLS, Mich. -- Jalen Rose was sentenced Wednesday to 20 days in jail for a March drunken-driving crash near Detroit, despite a recommendation that the ESPN analyst and former NBA player not serve jail time and the public support of several prominent figures, including Detroit's mayor.
When he pleaded guilty to driving while intoxicated in May, Rose told the judge he drank six martinis before crashing his SUV along a snowy road in West Bloomfield Township. He apologized in a brief statement after Wednesday's hearing.
"I'm humbled, I'm embarrassed, and I'm very apologetic. I can assure everyone that nothing like this will ever happen again," he said.

One of his attorneys, Keith Davidson, wasn't so contrite, railing against the sentence handed down by 48th District Court Judge Kimberly Small.
"This was nothing less than an elected judge legislating from the bench," Davidson said. "This is a man who has given millions of dollars to charity, started schools around the world and worked endlessly for the community, yet her average sentence is 17 days, and she sentenced Mr. Rose to 20 days."
Small, who is known for coming down hard on drunken drivers, lectured the former University of Michigan star for 15 minutes before delivering her sentence.
"I don't think you have an alcohol problem, and I sincerely believe you when you say this will not happen again," she said. "But there are issues of punishment and deterrence. The one thing that people never want -- that they will hire expensive lawyers to avoid -- is jail time. That's why I believe it is the right punishment."

Several prominent figures, including Detroit mayor Dave Bing, wrote letters to the court asking for leniency. Rose, who is from Detroit, is opening a school that will bear his own name in Detroit.
When another of Rose's attorneys, James Burdick, pointed out that the probation department did not recommend jail, Small wasn't having any of it.
"The people have hired me, not my probation department," the judge replied.
Rose's actual sentence is 92 days in jail and one year's probation, but Small suspended 72 days of the sentence. The maximum penalty for the charge is 93 days, but Rose received credit for the night he spent in jail after the crash.

ESPN released a statement Wednesday, saying "the incident was regrettable and we've dealt with it internally. Jalen has expressed remorse and we all are looking forward to putting this behind us."
Rose is scheduled to begin serving his 20 days in jail Aug. 2, although Davidson said they might appeal before then.
"There were two crimes committed in this case. The first was when Jalen got behind the wheel, and the second one was today," Davidson said.
Small granted Rose the six-day delay so he could attend a birthday party for his 93-year-old grandmother this weekend.
Rose played for six teams during his 13-year NBA career, including six years with the Indiana Pacers.

:banghead:

xBulletproof
07-27-2011, 05:04 PM
*in my best Pwee imitation* ...

Who's the idiot, now?!!?!

Brad8888
07-27-2011, 05:11 PM
When is this judge up for re-election?

dal9
07-27-2011, 05:58 PM
^they say no one ever loses an election for being too tough on crime, but this judge is pushing her luck...

mildlysane
07-27-2011, 06:49 PM
Unless he has some priors, this seems a bit harsh. Maybe the judge is "anti-celebrity". When I lived in Indy, I knew several people with multiple DUI's that only spent one night in jail for each arrest. And that was the night that they were arrested.

Sookie
07-27-2011, 07:12 PM
DISCLAIMER: I'm not trying to mount a pro-DUI argument here but.....

The law used to be .1 in order to be a DUI. Did more/better research come out and show that the difference between the levels is so great that the laws needed to be changed for safety purposes? Or was the law changed to try and grab more revenue from it?

Honestly, I don't know the answer. But I bet money had alteast a small part in the decision making.

Also, I haven't read the article, so Jalen might have tested out at 0.11 anyways, which renders the argument moot. I'm just providing a different way at looking at the situation.

Men typically have had to have drunk at least 5 drinks in a span of two hours to have a .08 level. And I'd wager Jalen had significantly more than that, seeing as he's bigger than the average man.

The reason it's at that level is because, at that level of "drunk" a lot of people think they are fine, but they aren't. And shouldn't be driving. All 50 states have made the law .08. And I'm sorry, anyone who has had 5 drinks (at least) in two hours, shouldn't be driving. Remember, Jalen was caught because Jalen crashed his car..

That doesn't make him a bad person. It means he made a mistake. He made a really REALLY stupid and selfish decision. And yea, he gets punished for it. A year is excessive. 20 days...he'll probably be out in 3. Not really excessive. And I bet he won't do it again.

Haywoode Workman
07-27-2011, 08:35 PM
Wow, I'm a pretty open minded, forgiving and empathetic person but...

HOW THE **** DOES SOMEONE WITH THAT MUCH MONEY GET A DUI???

Seriously, I've just never understood this. Why don't you have a paid guy on standby to drive you around when you need it? Are these people that stupid? I mean you really gotta be dumb to get a dui when you could easily afford an alternative to driving yourself. What the hell is wrong with people man, I swear.

90'sNBARocked
07-27-2011, 09:10 PM
Wow, I'm a pretty open minded, forgiving and empathetic person but...

HOW THE **** DOES SOMEONE WITH THAT MUCH MONEY GET A DUI???

Seriously, I've just never understood this. Why don't you have a paid guy on standby to drive you around when you need it? Are these people that stupid? I mean you really gotta be dumb to get a dui when you could easily afford an alternative to driving yourself. What the hell is wrong with people man, I swear.

Liquid courage bro

mb221
07-27-2011, 11:08 PM
Men typically have had to have drunk at least 5 drinks in a span of two hours to have a .08 level. And I'd wager Jalen had significantly more than that, seeing as he's bigger than the average man.


Just to clarify, in the article it states Mr. Rose had consumed six martinis prior to his accident.

PacerGuy
07-27-2011, 11:41 PM
Just to clarify, in the article it states Mr. Rose had consumed six martinis prior to his accident.

As I believe I've stated before, you would think that Jalen would know that 5 is Fab, but Six is just dumb... :-p

Bball
07-28-2011, 12:36 AM
For whatever reason, this judge is too biased to be handling DUI cases.


"There is no reason for a lawyer to be there because no matter how strong you advocate, regardless of the facts of your case, they're still going to jail," Hall said. "I'm not going to take a client's money when I know I can't help."

Bball
07-28-2011, 12:49 AM
20 days...he'll probably be out in 3. Not really excessive. And I bet he won't do it again.

Technically he was sentenced to 93 days (the max).

Rose's actual sentence is 92 days in jail and one year's probation, but Small suspended 72 days of the sentence. The maximum penalty for the charge is 93 days, but Rose received credit for the night he spent in jail after the crash.


How does this even make sense?

Small, who is known for coming down hard on drunken drivers, lectured the former University of Michigan star for 15 minutes before delivering her sentence.
"I don't think you have an alcohol problem, and I sincerely believe you when you say this will not happen again," she said. "But there are issues of punishment and deterrence. The one thing that people never want -- that they will hire expensive lawyers to avoid -- is jail time. That's why I believe it is the right punishment."

She believes he doesn't have an alcohol problem and this won't happen again so he deserves a sentence higher than she normally hands out... when she normally hands out some of the harshest sentences in the country to first time offenders??

Hicks
07-28-2011, 01:08 AM
Yeah, it doesn't make sense. He shouldn't be in a jail cell at all for this.

GizzyStardust
07-28-2011, 01:59 AM
I am in no way shape or form saying drunk driving is not serious, but either is this judge. Jalen has been a prime exmple of someone who had a very difficult upbringing but has made not only a solid citizen, but given to others time and time again

The fact that he didnt hurt anyone, he was barely over the limit and had no prior dui conviction makes it ludicris what this judge did

shame on her

Wrong. If you get behind the wheel after six drinks, you deserve jail time. It doesn't matter what his role in society is. A terrible decision is a terrible decision and the punishment fits the crime.

Ant
07-28-2011, 07:48 AM
20 days in jail, huh?? Well, he is going to be serving time and paying for this mistake whether justifiable or not. Not so sure why it had to make news in the Indy Star sports section though.

Jalen is still gonna remain one of my favorite Pacers of all time. He played 13 seasons in the NBA, 6 of them with us. Being someone who watched him in college with the rest of the Fab 5, it was pretty cool to watch him blossom into a great NBA player and tap into the vast amount of potential he had as a ball player. He was a vital cog to some of the best teams the Pacers have ever fielded. I really do miss that automatic, silky mid range jumper.

From what i can gather, it sounds like the Jalen Rose i know. Stand up guy and more than willing to accept responsibility for his actions.

BillS
07-28-2011, 09:10 AM
Not so sure why it had to make news in the Indy Star sports section though.

Because the whole "thugs and crooks" angle was dying down and someone needed to fan the flames while there was a lockout and therefore no way for the current players to shine in order to keep it from flying.

Lou Bega
07-28-2011, 09:31 AM
I dont feel sorry for Rose @ all. Several men, who have less money and talent get 20 years for selling cocaine or meth. IF YOU WANT JUSTICE STAY OUT OF THE LEGAL SYSTEM

90'sNBARocked
07-28-2011, 09:48 AM
Wrong. If you get behind the wheel after six drinks, you deserve jail time. It doesn't matter what his role in society is. A terrible decision is a terrible decision and the punishment fits the crime.

You cant use the word wrong when you are talking about something subjective. Hundreds of thoiusands of people have commited DUI before and got less than probation

I dont undertand this whole "make an example out of him" thinking. Do you think someone would be drunk, get behind the wheel of a car, then suddenly think "Gee , I remember what happened to Jalen, beeter not drive"

The judge is abusing her power. I also pray she gets arrested for dui, then maybe she can spend 3 weeks in jail

90'sNBARocked
07-28-2011, 09:49 AM
Because the whole "thugs and crooks" angle was dying down and someone needed to fan the flames while there was a lockout and therefore no way for the current players to shine in order to keep it from flying.

Thanks x1000

90'sNBARocked
07-28-2011, 09:50 AM
I dont feel sorry for Rose @ all. Several men, who have less money and talent get 20 years for selling cocaine or meth. IF YOU WANT JUSTICE STAY OUT OF THE LEGAL SYSTEM

did you really just compare a dui with sellin coke?

:rolleyes:

righteouscool
07-28-2011, 11:49 AM
Wrong. If you get behind the wheel after six drinks, you deserve jail time. It doesn't matter what his role in society is. A terrible decision is a terrible decision and the punishment fits the crime.

Well, to be far, 6 drinks to a 5'10 dude is a little different physically than 6 drinks to a 6'8 giant.

Lou Bega
07-28-2011, 02:51 PM
did you really just compare a dui with sellin coke?

:rolleyes:

Yes, I did. I compare the current war on drugs much to prohibition of alcohol. Drinking & Driving .08 20 Days. Selling 5.0 grams of cocaine is 20 years. The sentences are both too harsh.

In fact, go downtown to the Indiana State Museum by Victory Field and check out the prohabition exhibit going on. You will learn a lot.

Brad8888
07-28-2011, 03:39 PM
And now, 46 in a 25, only ticketed as 10 MPH over:

http://www.pacersdigest.com/apache2-default/showthread.php?p=1269783#poststop

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tennymf
07-28-2011, 03:42 PM
.088

According to this report from CBSSports.com, "A hospital test showed his blood-alcohol content as 0.12 percent."

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/story/15361155/jalen-rose-gets-20-days-in-jail-for-drunk-driving

Isaac
07-28-2011, 04:24 PM
Former Pacers guard Jalen Rose...

Can we pleeeease end this incredibly lame joke not based in reality?

Since86
07-28-2011, 04:26 PM
Can we pleeeease end this incredibly lame joke not based in reality?

Uhhh...... You didn't read the article Day-V posted, did you?



Rose played for six teams during his 13-year NBA career, including six years with the Indiana Pacers (http://espn.go.com/nba/team/_/name/ind/indiana-pacers).

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/6808190/jalen-rose-receives-jail-time-drunken-driving

BillS
07-28-2011, 04:48 PM
Can we pleeeease end this incredibly lame joke not based in reality?


Uhhh...... You didn't read the article Day-V posted, did you?


http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/6808190/jalen-rose-receives-jail-time-drunken-driving

And here's the Star article:

Ex-Pacer Rose gets jail time for DUI (http://www.indystar.com/article/20110728/SPORTS04/107280400/Ex-Pacer-Rose-gets-jail-time-DUI)

90'sNBARocked
07-28-2011, 04:55 PM
The sentences are both too harsh.

Although I agree they are both too harsh I believe your numbers are way off

Cocaine in powdered form has very lienent laws where as crack by far recieves the harshest punishment. This is due to reassons I dont feel like getting into here.

Scot Pollard
07-28-2011, 08:15 PM
I always thought of him as a great guy, always happy with a smile on his face and a damn good Pacer.

He's one of my all time favorite Pacers.

GizzyStardust
07-29-2011, 05:03 AM
You cant use the word wrong when you are talking about something subjective. Hundreds of thoiusands of people have commited DUI before and got less than probation

I dont undertand this whole "make an example out of him" thinking. Do you think someone would be drunk, get behind the wheel of a car, then suddenly think "Gee , I remember what happened to Jalen, beeter not drive"

The judge is abusing her power. I also pray she gets arrested for dui, then maybe she can spend 3 weeks in jail

Last I checked, "wrong" was an entirely subjective concept. However, in this case, I'm using it objectively. What Jalen did was wrong. Not saying he's a bad guy. As a long-time Pacers fan, I like him just as much as any of you. But, what he did was wrong and now he's paying the price. Fortunately for him and everyone else, no one was hurt and he can move on with his life.

As for the "hundreds of thousands" people you refer to, they should have all spent time in jail just the same. That's my opinion and, yes, it's a subjective one. Bottom line: drink responsibly, swallow your pride and get a ride home.

90'sNBARocked
07-29-2011, 09:13 AM
Last I checked, "wrong" was an entirely subjective concept. However, in this case, I'm using it objectively. What Jalen did was wrong. Not saying he's a bad guy. As a long-time Pacers fan, I like him just as much as any of you. But, what he did was wrong and now he's paying the price. Fortunately for him and everyone else, no one was hurt and he can move on with his life.

As for the "hundreds of thousands" people you refer to, they should have all spent time in jail just the same. That's my opinion and, yes, it's a subjective one. Bottom line: drink responsibly, swallow your pride and get a ride home.

I agree wholeheartedly with the bolded part

Lou Bega
07-30-2011, 03:17 PM
DISCLAIMER: I'm not trying to mount a pro-DUI argument here but.....

The law used to be .1 in order to be a DUI. Did more/better research come out and show that the difference between the levels is so great that the laws needed to be changed for safety purposes? Or was the law changed to try and grab more revenue from it?

Honestly, I don't know the answer. But I bet money had alteast a small part in the decision making.

Also, I haven't read the article, so Jalen might have tested out at 0.11 anyways, which renders the argument moot. I'm just providing a different way at looking at the situation.

Under Bill Clinton the law lowered the BAC 4 impaired driving from .10 to .08. If states did not comply they lost federal grant $ for roads/transportation. Everything is about revenue.

ksuttonjr76
07-30-2011, 05:43 PM
As I believe I've stated before, you would think that Jalen would know that 5 is Fab, but Six is just dumb... :-p

Nah...Chris Webber called him and told him to drink the 6th one.

Slick Pinkham
08-11-2011, 08:57 PM
Jimmy King joins him... IN THE SAME PRISON!

http://www.lostlettermen.com/8-11-2011-jimmy-king-arrested/