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pacer4ever
07-20-2011, 12:29 PM
MikeWellsNBA Mike Wells
Mark Bartelstein, the agent of 5 Pacers, said they r "aggressively pursuing opportunities" for them to play overseas because of the lockout.


on his client list Danny Granger, Paul George, Posey, Rush, Djones
http://hoopshype.com/agents/mark_bartelstein.htm

pacer4ever
07-20-2011, 12:40 PM
I hope they go it would be a good experience for them. Hopefully they go team up and join the same club.

But again i tend to agree with Charles guys like Danny arent going over they have too much money to lose. This is a ploy by the players association IMO.

Speed
07-20-2011, 12:42 PM
I believe some will go, but I also think its across the board posturing for the Union to try to gain leverage. I don't see Stern being the type to flinch at the notion.

Heisenberg
07-20-2011, 12:52 PM
Can't see Posey doing it, unless he's just awful with money, also can't see why a team would want him. Can't see Danny getting an offer big enough to make it worthwhile. Rush I could potentially see, not gonna get a lot of burn here, last year of his deal (no deal at all if there's no season), maybe try and get a higher profile again. Inferno strikes me as a renaissance man so I bet he'd do it. PG, no clue.

Don't want PG too just because while more coaching and competition would help, I don't question is work ethic, I'm sure he's already working hard. And knowing our luck...

pacer4ever
07-20-2011, 12:56 PM
B rush just told me he isn't going

Speed
07-20-2011, 12:56 PM
I'll go ahead and get this out of the way.

BRush to Bartelstein - So does Amsterdam have a team?

vnzla81
07-20-2011, 01:01 PM
I wouldn't mind seeing some of our guys playing overseas, that could be good for their grow.

Heisenberg
07-20-2011, 01:06 PM
Wells says (http://twitter.com/#%21/MikeWellsNBA/statuses/93726433687502849) Danny and Inferno'd consider it if the lockout "lingers too long."

thefeistyone
07-20-2011, 01:18 PM
I really have a hard time trying find a downside of them going.

I mean if we lose the season I'd rather our guys go play somewhere. Sure they can get hurt, but you can get hurt just practicing. I'd rather see them get a little game experience.

Will Galen
07-20-2011, 01:20 PM
So and so might play overseas is all you read in the NBA rumor sections anymore. I've quite reading them. It seems everyone is considering it.

There's not that many jobs overseas, and it seems to me that they will go to the established stars and not to players that really might need (snort) the money.

Heisenberg
07-20-2011, 01:21 PM
So Rush is out, Danny and Dahntay'd just consider it. So that leaves Posey and PG to be "aggressively pursuing" it. Sensing some agent talk here.

aero
07-20-2011, 02:06 PM
If it were me I would not go over seas to play. the risk of injury..etc out weighs the positives of playing there. Id rather be here in the US of A training and or working out with my teammates to help build the comradery(sp?) even though its not official team work outs..thats what i would be doing.

90'sNBARocked
07-20-2011, 02:12 PM
Great so the US is sending more jobs overseas

:(

RWB
07-20-2011, 02:33 PM
If it were me I would not go over seas to play. the risk of injury..etc out weighs the positives of playing there.

Kind of like Jay Williams playing for the Bulls and having that Oh ***** moment after wrecking his motorcycle. Not only being in great pain but knowing he may not get aother dime for violating his contract.

sportfireman
07-20-2011, 02:55 PM
I'll go ahead and get this out of the way.

BRush to Bartelstein - So does Amsterdam have a team?

Yes Rush will go so he can get some "burn".....:):-p

PacersHomer
07-20-2011, 03:19 PM
Hey, it would keep them in shape. No Shawn Kemp situations if they are playing somewhere.

Speed
07-20-2011, 03:23 PM
Yes Rush will go so he can get some "burn".....:):-p

I bet he is high on the idea.

dal9
07-20-2011, 03:25 PM
I bet he is high on the idea.

quit taking pot shots at him

Constellations
07-20-2011, 03:29 PM
quit taking pot shots at him

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

Constellations
07-20-2011, 03:33 PM
I hope Danny and Paul DO NOT go over and play. Posey and Rush? I'll buy the plane tickets.

And personally, I love having inferno on the team. So stay here DJ.

Psyren
07-20-2011, 05:38 PM
I hope Danny and Paul DO NOT go over and play. Posey and Rush? I'll buy the plane tickets.

And personally, I love having inferno on the team. So stay here DJ.

Agreed.

I'd be more than fine if Posey and Rush went overseas and when the lockout finally ends, they can just stay over there.

xBulletproof
07-20-2011, 05:45 PM
Really confused as to why some wouldn't want them to go over there. The only downside is the risk of injury, but they could get injured playing pickup ball in the YMCA. At least they'd be getting paid when it happened.

Also, no team is going to take on the 5 Pacers. In fact no team is going to take on that many NBA players to begin with. When the NBA lockout ends, these teams still need to have just that, a TEAM. No team is going to give more than 1 or 2 spots to NBA guys and only those who are worth it. Like Deron Williams.

wintermute
07-20-2011, 07:11 PM
Great so the US is sending more jobs overseas

:(

Surely it's the other way around? US players taking away foreign jobs?

:-p

pathil275
07-20-2011, 07:43 PM
I mean Europe is not too bad, but this year, the one year I am coming over for a semester they plan to play in Europe? You have to be kidding..

pacersgroningen
07-20-2011, 08:50 PM
On a positive note, even though you guys were just making fun, I know for fact Amsterdam does have some roster spaces left, but they have nothing that would even get close to something the players might even consider playing for. Would love to see me some pacers in my home country though!

PacerDude
07-20-2011, 09:00 PM
they have nothing that would even get close to something the players might even consider playing for.
Oh, they have something that Brandon would play for.

Really?
07-20-2011, 10:18 PM
as long as they get decent PT I am okay with it...

pacer4ever
07-20-2011, 10:22 PM
as long as they get decent PT I am okay with it...

they would probably only play 20-25 mpg depending on where they go. How they sub in Europe is different and plus games are only 40mins.

pacer4ever
07-21-2011, 12:26 AM
PG24 Blake Griffin and Reggie Jackson (DG was there also) were teammates today playing pickup ball at the UCLA league that is one insanely athletic team.

A.B.Hollywood
07-21-2011, 01:15 AM
I know I'd love to see the progress some of these players have made. PG, DC and GH especially.

I want as much information in our hands as possible before making some free agent acquisitions and/or trades. If we see serious progress (or not) at some spots it could be another data point to use and I am all about that.

Sookie
07-21-2011, 11:04 AM
PG24 Blake Griffin and Reggie Jackson (DG was there also) were teammates today playing pickup ball at the UCLA league that is one insanely athletic team.

I believe Jeff Adrien too

Weird group.

Pacerfan
07-21-2011, 11:40 AM
Roy and A.J. might play overseas too.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/214821/Granger_Hibbert_George_Among_Pacers_Considering_Pl aying_Overseas

Granger, Hibbert, George Among Pacers Considering Playing Overseas
Jul 21, 2011 10:31 AM EDT


Several Indiana Pacers are open to playing overseas if the NBA lockout cuts into the start of the season, as many expect.

Agent Mark Bartelstein, who represents Pacers Danny Granger, Paul George, Brandon Rush, Dahntay Jones and James Posey, said he is "aggressively pursuing opportunities" overseas.

Granger and Jones are open to playing overseas because of the uncertainty of when the lockout will end. Rush said via text message that he's not interested in the opportunity.

"If it's a good country and a good organization, I'll definitely try it," Jones said. "It's about the experience and being able to play basketball. Playing basketball is the sole reason for it."

Center Roy Hibbert and point guard A.J. Price say it's possible that they will play overseas, too.

"Right now my top option is to stay in the States," Hibbert said. "But if we don't have a season or we're missing many games, my agent has something set up for me to go over there."

Via Mike Wells/Indianapolis Star



And Roy just tweeted:

Hoya2aPacer Roy Hibbert
@IamThaKing25 Beijing!!!!!!
2 hours ago
(to Brandon Rush)
http://twitter.com/#!/Hoya2aPacer

It might just be a random tweet about something, but I wouldn't be surprised if a team in China would have interest in Roy with him having gone their recently and their infatuation with tall players.

pacers74
07-21-2011, 11:55 AM
If they play at least we will have something more to discuss than how much improved Lance is going to be, or who our starting PF is going to be next year.

pacer4ever
07-21-2011, 11:59 AM
Roy and A.J. might play overseas too.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/214821/Granger_Hibbert_George_Among_Pacers_Considering_Pl aying_Overseas

Granger, Hibbert, George Among Pacers Considering Playing Overseas
Jul 21, 2011 10:31 AM EDT


Several Indiana Pacers are open to playing overseas if the NBA lockout cuts into the start of the season, as many expect.

Agent Mark Bartelstein, who represents Pacers Danny Granger, Paul George, Brandon Rush, Dahntay Jones and James Posey, said he is "aggressively pursuing opportunities" overseas.

Granger and Jones are open to playing overseas because of the uncertainty of when the lockout will end. Rush said via text message that he's not interested in the opportunity.

"If it's a good country and a good organization, I'll definitely try it," Jones said. "It's about the experience and being able to play basketball. Playing basketball is the sole reason for it."

Center Roy Hibbert and point guard A.J. Price say it's possible that they will play overseas, too.

"Right now my top option is to stay in the States," Hibbert said. "But if we don't have a season or we're missing many games, my agent has something set up for me to go over there."

Via Mike Wells/Indianapolis Star



And Roy just tweeted:

Hoya2aPacer Roy Hibbert
@IamThaKing25 Beijing!!!!!!
2 hours ago
(to Brandon Rush)
http://twitter.com/#!/Hoya2aPacer

It might just be a random tweet about something, but I wouldn't be surprised if a team in China would have interest in Roy with him having gone their recently and their infatuation with tall players.

Pretty cool i broke that news lol


But on a serious note i hope they all go. It will help them understand the concept of team ball better. I cant imagine Dantay playing in Euro he would ride the pine depending where he goes the coach wont tolerate the way he plays on offense IMO.

Sookie
07-21-2011, 01:16 PM
Roy and A.J. might play overseas too.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/214821/Granger_Hibbert_George_Among_Pacers_Considering_Pl aying_Overseas

Granger, Hibbert, George Among Pacers Considering Playing Overseas
Jul 21, 2011 10:31 AM EDT


Several Indiana Pacers are open to playing overseas if the NBA lockout cuts into the start of the season, as many expect.

Agent Mark Bartelstein, who represents Pacers Danny Granger, Paul George, Brandon Rush, Dahntay Jones and James Posey, said he is "aggressively pursuing opportunities" overseas.

Granger and Jones are open to playing overseas because of the uncertainty of when the lockout will end. Rush said via text message that he's not interested in the opportunity.

"If it's a good country and a good organization, I'll definitely try it," Jones said. "It's about the experience and being able to play basketball. Playing basketball is the sole reason for it."

Center Roy Hibbert and point guard A.J. Price say it's possible that they will play overseas, too.

"Right now my top option is to stay in the States," Hibbert said. "But if we don't have a season or we're missing many games, my agent has something set up for me to go over there."

Via Mike Wells/Indianapolis Star



And Roy just tweeted:

Hoya2aPacer Roy Hibbert
@IamThaKing25 Beijing!!!!!!
2 hours ago
(to Brandon Rush)
http://twitter.com/#!/Hoya2aPacer

It might just be a random tweet about something, but I wouldn't be surprised if a team in China would have interest in Roy with him having gone their recently and their infatuation with tall players.

Boy...I hope Price gets health insurance somewhere...

I don't blame them for thinking about it though.

And it might be a good thing. In fact, a lot of women's players tend to go overseas with their teammates and friends. So don't be surprised if we see groups of our players on the same team. Makes a lot of sense for players to do that (a little sense of familiarity) and it'll probably help those guys bond.

pacer4ever
07-21-2011, 01:31 PM
Boy...I hope Price gets health insurance somewhere...

I don't blame them for thinking about it though.

And it might be a good thing. In fact, a lot of women's players tend to go overseas with their teammates and friends. So don't be surprised if we see groups of our players on the same team. Makes a lot of sense for players to do that (a little sense of familiarity) and it'll probably help those guys bond.

No one is going over unless they get insurance. Derron Williams even said that in his interview. That would be stupid. But AJ doesn't need to get his contract insured like Kobe and Dwill do.

Speed
07-21-2011, 02:09 PM
Sorry if I missed this being posted.

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/6784931/the-national-basketball-association-european-vacation

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The National Basketball Association's European Vacation

The lockout is presenting NBA players with some new options. A look into who won't go, who will, and where.

</HGROUP><CITE sizcache="5" sizset="13">By Jonathan Abrams (http://www.grantland.com/search/_/query/jonathan-abrams)</CITE><TIME pubdate datetime="2011-7-19">POSTED JULY 19, 2011

For some in the NBA, the decision is not a decision at all. The biggest dilemma Zaza Pachulia wrestled with before signing to play in Turkey during the lockout was whether to pack one suitcase or two.

"Other than that, what's the difference?" asks Pachulia, who, in un-locked out times, plays center for the Atlanta Hawks. "Every summer, I go play with my national team. Basically, I'm going to do the same thing I do every summer, only in Turkey."

Pachulia will team up in Turkey with All-Star point guard Deron Williams, who, over the weekend, surprised many by inking with the same Istanbul club, Besiktas. That Pachulia, born in the Republic of Georgia and seasoned professionally in an altogether different Georgia, will play alongside Williams in Turkey testifies to the global development of the NBA and reflects the increasing opportunities afforded to its players.

By now, your favorite NBA player is flirting with the notion of playing overseas during the lockout — Kobe Bryant, Dwight Howard, and Dwyane Wade may wind up being high-priced international rentals. "If we're not playing games in October, I wouldn't be shocked to see an exodus," says the free-agent Shane Battier. If such a movement occurs, however, it will require an extensive sorting process to figure out who goes where when and for how much. The reality is that there are not enough opportunities in Europe to occupy every locked-out NBA player accustomed to an NBA contract. Nor do international arenas and fan bases afford players with the level of comfort they have grown to expect in the United States.

Additionally, many of the current NBA players do not possess Pachulia's global perspective and will therefore be forced to choose between dipping their dribbles in international lands or facing the possibility of an entire season with no basketball income if the lockout stretches as long as many believe. "Every day, there are less jobs on the market," says Mark Bartelstein, a Chicago-based agent who represents nearly 40 NBA players.

"That's the nature of supply and demand. It's somewhat like a game of musical chairs. There are only so many chairs left at the end of the day."

"I'm telling everyone this could be a very long lockout," Bartelstein continues. "To me, actions speak louder than words. The NBA has talked a lot about making a deal, but we haven't seen much movement, if any, at all."

Even if playing overseas is not sustainable economically or comparable historically to past incomes, players hope it will deliver a symbolic message to league owners that they can and will play and profit elsewhere.

"I know that many of these players, while they haven't expressed it publicly, are being courted by European teams," says Billy Hunter, the executive director of the National Basketball Players Association. "I know that Kobe's been approached. I know that Pau Gasol has been approached — he and his brother, obviously they're in Spain. … I know that Dirk Nowitzki has been approached, D-Wade and LeBron. A lot of them have been. We know that Amar'e Stoudemire has been, but Amar'e's obviously got concerns about his physical stature, and so, consequently, he doesn't want to jeopardize that by going over to Europe.

"But these other guys, I think depending on what the offers are, they will go. So if I'm the owner of a franchise and if I've got a star, I've got D-Wade or LeBron or Kobe or any of these guys on my team, the last thing I want to do is see them go off and play in Europe. They may go and never come back depending on what kind of offer is made to them. We're not talking about the entire league because we're not foolish enough to believe there are opportunities for everybody, every NBA player, and we've told our players there are limited opportunities and they are generally going to be for the star players."<SUP id=reffoot1 sizcache="5" sizset="18">1 (http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/6784931/the-national-basketball-association-european-vacation#footnote1)</SUP>
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This is the NBA's Catch 22. Playing overseas is no longer just an option for players to spend the fading twilight of their careers. Commissioner David Stern helped drive the game globally through overseas exhibitions and regular-season games, promoting the worldwide marketability of players. As such, NBA players are seriously weighing international offers, a consideration not readily available to players in the 1998-99 lockout because the foreign game lagged so far behind the NBA's.

"Most of the NBA teams already have international players — from Europe, from South America, from Asia," Pachulia says. "A lot of guys travel a lot for Basketball Without Borders. The doors are not only open for international players to come to the NBA, but vice versa. American players have more knowledge about the international countries, what lifestyle they have. Sometimes they hear from teammates and sometimes they have their own experiences. Not everybody, but a lot of guys in the league. I think it's easier today than it was five years ago to make the switch."

The NBA, for its part, is not standing in the way of players. When Josh Childress<SUP id=reffoot2 sizcache="5" sizset="19">2 (http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/6784931/the-national-basketball-association-european-vacation#footnote2)</SUP> departed the NBA for Greece's Olympiakos three summers ago, Stern all but laughed at the many who forecast that others would follow Childress across the Atlantic. "It's true that there will be individuals who could decide to do economic things," he said, "and they may even do it once or twice, but it's important as we study the global world of basketball where we are very popular, the economic model does not exist that would support such contracts."

He was right then, and the point may be even more accurate now. The worldwide recession is still affecting European teams and markets, especially in Greece. Besiktas, the team that signed Williams<SUP id=reffoot3 sizcache="5" sizset="20">3 (http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/6784931/the-national-basketball-association-european-vacation#footnote3)</SUP> and Pachulia this summer, and Allen Iverson last year, already possesses a shaky financial history (Turkish authorities recently froze their finances in for the fallout of a soccer-fixing scandal). "A guaranteed contract overseas is certainly not the same as a guaranteed contract in the NBA," says Jim Tanner, the agent who negotiated Childress' deal with Olympiakos and also represents Pachulia.

If players profit from increased marketability from playing overseas during the lockout, once it ends that international exposure should transfer back to the NBA. The league is also betting that for many players, reality will settle in and they will realize the wealth of the NBA, especially when compared to Europe's regimen of two-a-day practices, the possibility of sharing rooms with a teammate, or ducking projectiles tossed from tiny but rowdy crowds.

Beyond those cautionary flares, there are few international teams that can afford NBA players. China is a marketing goldmine and starts its season later than the Euroleague, which may be attractive to players who want more time to filter through their options. According to Jonathan Givony, the president of DraftExpress.com, James Singleton, a former member of the Clippers, Mavericks, and Wizards, earned the highest salary of any player there last season at $1.6 million. The average salary of NBA players going into last season was a robust $5.765 million.

Beyond that, the better European teams want to win and are hesitant to agree to the opt-out clauses that would allow players to return to the NBA once the lockout ends. A spokesperson for FIBA, the governing body of international basketball, said it is working on a statement to "clarify the legal situation."

"We're all taking educated guesses," says Marc Cornstein, an agent who represents several international players in the NBA. "But I don't think anyone can say for certain whether games will be missed or how much of them will be, if they are. And many of the Euroleague teams, they're looking to win. They're not interested in when the lockout ends."

Givony says opportunities would be available for NBA players to play in Euroleague qualifying tournaments in September, if they are willing to accept less money. "With that comes a lot of money for teams; television rights from your country; and sponsors, where the amount of money they get is predicated on whether they play for the Euroleague or the Eurocup."

Prominent agent Bill Duffy suggested a barnstorming tour across the world might also be an option for locked-out players. There is already an exhibition forming in the Philippines with an All-Star-caliber roster that includes Bryant, Chris Paul, and Kevin Durant.

"It's like a concert tour," Duffy said. "You can control it. You can set up the dates. You can control the talent. We're looking at that. There will obviously have to be venue insurances and player insurance. Those are things we would have to address. Right now, we would protect the basketball players as you would a major recording artist."

While considering offers, the players are divided into different categories:

The Superstar:

The elite few who could command the Deron Williams package — a multimillion-dollar contract, bodyguard, drivers, etc. Among those players is Durant, who said the option piqued his interest while in China for a promotional tour.

"If the lockout is prolonged, playing overseas would definitely be an option for Kevin Durant, under the right circumstances," says Eric Goodwin, an agent for Durant. "It would take an amazing offer from a team, but there are countries he would consider. It would be a great way for Kevin to stay competitive, and it would give fans worldwide an opportunity to see him play. It would also give him the opportunity to continue to help grow the Oklahoma City Thunder fan base globally."

Any decision would have to be carefully considered. Could the players fully insure their NBA contracts against injury? Would a player like Bryant, who recently had a procedure on his right knee, risk taking games off his NBA lifespan by adding overseas mileage?

Williams' NBA season ended prematurely because of a wrist injury. He signed with Besiktas for a reported $5 million, considerably less than the $16.4 million he would make in the 2011-12 NBA season, and the nearly $18 million owed to him if he does not opt out of his final season with the Nets. Even if the outcome of the lockout immediately reduces NBA salaries across the board, Williams' salary with the Nets will still dwarf the money he could earn in Turkey.

"Deron has the full support of the union," Hunter says. "My contention is that a player, in the face of a lockout, still has obligations and responsibilities that he has to take care of. If he has an opportunity to go somewhere else and play, then neither me nor anybody else should stand in his way. He's not crossing a picket line, so he's obviously not destroying anything or damaging anything that we're trying to do. If anything, what it is, I think, it becomes a wakeup call for the NBA because, yes, the marquee, superstar players are the most visible people in NBA basketball. They have global popularity."

The International Player who Returns Overseas:

A number of these players were the first to scoop up international contracts: Pachulia, Nenad Krstic, Sasha Vujacic, and Darius Songaila, among them.

"Maybe it's not official, but I'm sure a lot of guys have offers on the table," Pachulia said. "It's not public and they're not rushing to make a decision, but I'm sure they are deciding.

"Actually, it's even better for me. Every summer, I play with my national team and my confidence level is high, I'm in the best shape. When I go there, I have a different role, and I'm the go-to guy and I'm the leader of the team. It definitely has its pluses. It's not 100 percent good, but it has a lot of pluses."
Krstic, unlike Pachulia, did not negotiate an out clause to return to the NBA when the lockout ends, instead signing a two-year deal with CSKA Moscow. Cornstein said Krstic was the first to leave the NBA behind in light of the lockout.

"He really wanted to stay here and he felt very comfortable the way his season ended in Boston," said Cornstein, who also acts as Krstic's agent. "He was a free agent, but with Shaquille O'Neal retiring and Jermaine O'Neal injured a lot last season, he felt he was in a good position. He didn't want to miss half the season or a season when he knew he had this opportunity. If there wasn't a lockout he would have tested free agency and the NBA for sure, even if he got this offer."

The Veterans:

This is a group for which offers might be limited. The bulk of NBA veterans will not command anywhere near their NBA salaries.
Still, most will listen to the pitches if they do arrive. "It's an opportunity to make money and continue to play and do what I'm passionate about," says Indiana's Dahntay Jones. "You still have a chance to entertain, but you just don't want to take anything. That's what our agents are for, to see what's beneficial for us."

Battier<SUP id=reffoot4 sizcache="5" sizset="21">4 (http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/6784931/the-national-basketball-association-european-vacation#footnote4)</SUP> says he would contemplate an offer from China, a country he is familiar with from visiting in exhibition games when he teamed with Yao Ming on the Rockets.

"I would go, depending on the lockout and how long it is." Battier said. "I'm a free agent and I don't have to answer to a team if I go overseas. China has always been an intriguing place to me, and I've enjoyed my time there."

For many other veterans, though, the potential benefits of playing overseas do not quite stack up because of a combination of factors. Those players are financially secure, and do not want to uproot their families, risk injury or adjust to a new league.
"It didn't make sense for me financially," Philadelphia's Elton Brand wrote in an e-mail.

"My family and I wouldn't make that decision for money. When I heard guys were doing it to compete and play that made a lot more sense. I'd hate to lose a year of competing in organized games and not be in peak competitive shape once the season did start. I lost enough time because of injury. I think it's something all players will be thinking about as the lock out lingers."

The Rookies and Hopefuls:

This is the group most devastated by the lockout. The league's rookies will likely lose valuable time in preparing for the acclimation to the NBA. Some will wonder if they, like several high-profile collegiate players such as Jared Sullinger, Harrison Barnes and Perry Jones, should have preserved their college eligibility.

With summer league among the lockout's first casualties, the undrafted and second-round selections (who do not possess the guaranteed-contract safety nets provided to first-rounders) did not make the trek to Las Vegas to audition for a spot on an NBA roster. Last year, Harvard's Jeremy Lin went undrafted. When summer league ended, the Warriors signed him to a guaranteed contract. This year, many who would have tried to transform summer league opportunities into an NBA job are already overseas. "We have a number of guys on the border," Bartelstein says. "The timing may have been right to make a run at the NBA. Ultimately, it's just going to come down to the economics and if it makes sense."

Back in 1998, as games lost to the lockout started piling up and that lockout crossed over into the new year, three players — Nick Van Exel, Marcus Camby, and Reggie Slater — argued for an injunction to void their NBA contracts so they could play in Europe. A Houston federal judge denied the players' request. "I was bewildered as to why I was prohibited from earning income in other ways when I couldn't as an NBA player," says Slater, who played for several NBA teams and now runs a sports complex in Houston.

The goal of Slater, Van Exel, and Camby in 1999 was different than what today's players seek. So far, no one has argued that the lockout should absolve players from their NBA contracts.
"I would encourage them to do what's best for them and their families, the same perspective that I had," Slater says. "You can stand up for something or fall for anything. Negotiations are give-and-take. You're going to have to give a little. In the end, players want to entertain fans. At the same time, you have to look at it as a business. And you have to use this time when you can make money while you're playing a sport wisely. The window isn't open for that long."

Slater is correct. Many of the issues involved in the previous lockout are at the forefront of this one — reeling in salaries and increasing profitability. In debating the issues over playing internationally, both players and owners, Hunter and Stern, are posturing without negotiating. It is unlikely either side will gain any true leverage or benefit if, as Battier predicted, there is an exodus overseas. "What's gotten lost in this is, we're focusing so much time on it, let's just try to find the solution of getting the NBA back on course," Cornstein says. "Hopefully, it lights a fire. We need to figure out a solution to get the NBA season started on time."

Jonathan Abrams is a staff writer for Grantland. Follow him on Twitter at @jpdabrams (http://twitter.com/#!/jpdabrams)

Speed
07-21-2011, 05:29 PM
I wonder if Stern is partially excited about the NBA players going overseas as a way to get free advertising for the league. They spend all of this money having exhibition games over there, now the league gets it for free.