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90'sNBARocked
07-15-2011, 05:28 PM
http://www.sactownroyalty.com/2011/7/14/2274257/analyzing-the-2011-free-agents-power-forwards

The link has a table with all the stats. I would have pasted but it didnt come out right

Statistics used are career averages to give a larger sample size. Players with next to their name are Restricted Free Agents.

David West is by far the best available PF on this list and one of the best available Free Agents overall. Perhaps West's greatest attribute is his ability to hit shots from anywhere at a good rate. If you take a look at his Shot Selection page from HoopData, you can see how absurdly good the spread is between where he shoots and how efficiently he shoots. He likes to take a lot of shots from 16-23 feet, statistically the least efficient shot in basketball, but it works for him because he makes them at a great rate (right around 45% for the last 5 years, including 47% last year). West is also a decent rebounder on the defensive glass (unlike the comparable Carl Landry) and a great passer for a big man. He's also really good at staying out of Foul Trouble; His 2.9 PF per 36 min ranks him as the least foul prone big man on this list. Defensively, he doesn't look as good. He's not terrible, but I think it says something that New Orleans has always sought to pair him up with a defensive minded Center.

Unfortunately for West, he is coming off a torn ACL and will be 31 years old next season. He'll get his money, but would he be a worthwhile investment for the Kings? If we're looking short term, I think he would be. But longer term it'd probably be wiser to invest that money in someone younger.

That someone is not Carl Landry. Been there, done that. It didn't work. Moving on.

Forget Brandan Wright or Leon Powe as well. Both might be able to help in some capacity, but they've also missed major time the last few years due to various injuries. Earl Clark is another young guy you can forget about. A lottery pick just two years ago, he's gone the way of Joe Alexander and might be out of the league as soon as this year if nobody signs him.

Craig Smith is the rich man's Darnell Jackson, except he shoots more around the rim. The Kings don't really need him with JT and Hickson on board. Jonas Jerebko is interesting, but I have limited information on him. He can play either the 3 or the 4, is a scrappy defender and can shoot (his 3 point shooting could use improvement). If I were to compare him to anyone it'd probably be a taller, more athletic Andres Nocioni, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. Still, he's also coming off a knee injury that knocked him out of all last season, so we'll see how he regroups from that. His restricted status also makes things complicated for interesting teams, especially since Detroit likes him.

Troy Murphy is a guy many people on this site are familiar with, as his name has come up often in trade discussions the last couple years, particularly when he was an expiring contract and the Kings had desperately needed a rebounding infusion. Murphy does two things well: Rebound (mainly on the defensive glass) and shoot (.389 career 3P%). He's also an above average passer for a big man. Defensively he's a sieve however, and it remains to be seen how last year's back injury affects the rest of his game. It definitely slowed him down during his limited time in Boston, and he wasn't able to have the effect the Celtics had hoped when they picked him up off the waiver wire.

Kenyon Martin is perhaps the best defensive Power Forward on the market. He's a good shot blocker and decent rebounder, and statistically his teams have allowed less points when he's been on the floor. Offensively Martin gets most of his buckets around the rim, and he's not a good jump shooter. The biggest con with Martin however is the fact that he's been very injury prone throughout his career, missing almost 30% of his possible career games in 11 years.

Glen "Big Baby" Davis is overrated. He benefited greatly from playing with Boston's veteran stars, and I have my doubts to how he'll handle playing on a team without such great veteran leaders. Even so, he's not that great. He's a finesse scorer despite being 6'9 and 290 lbs, and not a good rebounder or defender to boot, mainly due to his lack of athleticism, demonstrated here:



Yeah, no thanks.

Two guys that do really interest me however are Kris Humphries and Josh McRoberts. Humphries will probably become better known for being Mr. Kim Kardashian than anything he does on the basketball court but he's no bum either. Humphries is very athletic, a great rebounder (on both ends of the court), and a decent shot blocker. He gets most of his points near the basket, but he can hit a jumper as well (although he's not great at it). McRoberts is one of the more interesting available Free Agents because of his great versatility. He's a decent rebounder, good athlete, great passer, good shot blocker and efficient scorer (who can hit threes).

Reggie Evans is the best option on the board for rebounding purposes (where he's a beast on both ends), but he doesn't do much else, unless you count turning it over (which he does a lot of). He has a reputation as a dirty defender, but injuries have hurt him here. While the numbers show he was a pretty good defender through the early part of his career, he has since devolved into a minus defender.

Jason Smith and Yi Jianlian are the best of the rest in my opinion (if you exclude the way past their prime veterans who are only going to join teams with a chance at the title) and that's not saying much. Both are primarily jump shooters, and despite reputation (Jianlian is the Chinese Nowitzki!), Smith is probably the more reliable shooter and defender. Jianlian edges Smith out on rebounding though. I don't really want either one on the team.

Brian Scalabrine on the other hand...

ballism
07-15-2011, 06:41 PM
Kings just need high character veterans with enough of a name to keep the youngsters in check.
IF he's at all interested, they don't need to look past David West.

troyc11a
07-15-2011, 07:18 PM
Kings just need high character veterans with enough of a name to keep the youngsters in check.
IF he's at all interested, they don't need to look past David West.

The Kings have a much more physical team than we do. If healthy, David West fits their need a lot more than he does for us. He "could" be the piece that makes them a contender because they could use some scoring.
The one thing he does have going for him is that he is seems to be a decent character guy and a professional. The Kings need that badly as we do, but his game fits them better.

vnzla81
07-15-2011, 07:27 PM
Yep another DW thread woopieeeee :woohoo: ...........................

troyc11a
07-15-2011, 07:57 PM
Is there a physical defender who block shots and rebounds available?
I would like to see who is out there (other than Chandler and Nene). I would really like to see if there is one who can backup both the 4-5. I have searched but am not sure one is available.

pacer4ever
07-15-2011, 08:03 PM
Is there a physical defender who block shots and rebounds available?
I would like to see who is out there (other than Chandler and Nene). I would really like to see if there is one who can backup both the 4-5. I have searched but am not sure one is available.

Kwame Brown is probably the next best option IMO. But Charlotte wants to keep him and i don't want to over pay for him. ala Jerome James.


Chuck Hayes Samuel Dalmbert are also available

CableKC
07-15-2011, 08:06 PM
The Kings have a much more physical team than we do. If healthy, David West fits their need a lot more than he does for us. He "could" be the piece that makes them a contender because they could use some scoring.
The one thing he does have going for him is that he is seems to be a decent character guy and a professional. The Kings need that badly as we do, but his game fits them better.
The "Kings" , just like the Pacers, need more then just David West to make them contenders. They need an actual Starting quality PG ( before you say it, no....Tyreke Evans is not that guy ). Getting back Salmons and getting a Vet like West will help...but they need more then that.

troyc11a
07-15-2011, 08:54 PM
Kwame Brown is probably the next best option IMO. But Charlotte wants to keep him and i don't want to over pay for him. ala Jerome James.


Chuck Hayes Samuel Dalmbert are also available

Dalembert and Brown cannot play the 4 right? I am thinking they are both centers. Chuck Hayes is interesting but isnt he only 6'6? He rebounds some but is not a shot blocking presence. I am not sure about him.

I am going to just guess that the PF/C combo player needed would have to come via trade then? So, it is useless to speculate until the lock is lifted and we get an idea of the cap situation.

EDIT: I just looked at the stats for Brown. I would not over pay for him either. McBob is as productive as he is!

troyc11a
07-15-2011, 08:56 PM
The "Kings" , just like the Pacers, need more then just David West to make them contenders. They need an actual Starting quality PG ( before you say it, no....Tyreke Evans is not that guy ). Getting back Salmons and getting a Vet like West will help...but they need more then that.

A lot of that depends on Cousins. When we watched them play this season, man they looked a ton better than us. The main reason they need more than us is because they play in the West. If they were in the East, David West woiuld make them instant contenders for the 4 seed (IMHO).

pacer4ever
07-15-2011, 10:02 PM
Dalembert and Brown cannot play the 4 right? I am thinking they are both centers. Chuck Hayes is interesting but isnt he only 6'6? He rebounds some but is not a shot blocking presence. I am not sure about him.

I am going to just guess that the PF/C combo player needed would have to come via trade then? So, it is useless to speculate until the lock is lifted and we get an idea of the cap situation.

EDIT: I just looked at the stats for Brown. I would not over pay for him either. McBob is as productive as he is!

Stats don't tell the story on a player like Kwame

wintermute
07-16-2011, 01:28 PM
Chuck Hayes is interesting but isnt he only 6'6? He rebounds some but is not a shot blocking presence. I am not sure about him.


Chuck Hayes is awesome :D

Yes, he's 6'6'' and not a shotblocker, plus his offense is limited. That's about it for weaknesses though. Elite defender, above average rebounder, surprisingly good passer. I'll take him ahead most of the guys mentioned in that article. In fact, I think most people seem to be sleeping on him, when IMO he is one of the more effective FA big men out there.

dal9
07-16-2011, 03:19 PM
able to help in some capacity, but they've also missed major time the last few years due to various injuries. Earl Clark is another young guy you can forget about. A lottery pick just two years ago, he's gone the way of Joe Alexander and might be out of the league as soon as this year if nobody signs him.

Well, that goes for everyone, now, doesn't it?

troyc11a
07-16-2011, 03:32 PM
Chuck Hayes is awesome :D

Yes, he's 6'6'' and not a shotblocker, plus his offense is limited. That's about it for weaknesses though. Elite defender, above average rebounder, surprisingly good passer. I'll take him ahead most of the guys mentioned in that article. In fact, I think most people seem to be sleeping on him, when IMO he is one of the more effective FA big men out there.

I see he is listed as a Center? If this is true, he could backup both Center and PF positions correct?

That is what we really need. A C/PF combo who specializes in "D!" If what you are saying is true about him (and I am not doubting you - I just dont know), he seems to be a much better fit than David West ever thought of being.

OakMoses
07-16-2011, 04:36 PM
Signing Chuck Hayes could either make or break Roy Hibbert's career. Either Roy is going to get tough and learn how to score against good, physical defense, or he's going to be so demoralized by getting his *** kicked by Chuck Hayes in practice everyday that he'll be completely worthless. Either way it's a good thing. Finding out who Roy Hibbert truly is will be the most important thing that happens to the Pacers this season. We've either got to pay him or give up on him after this year.

I don't know about Hayes at PF. Playing him there means you're playing him alongside Roy, and I think you really negate his usefulness by asking him to defend more perimeter-oriented players.

The more I look at this class of FAs, the more it seems like re-signing McRoberts would be a good move. He's the only guy who seems like an good fit beside both Roy and Tyler.

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ballism
07-16-2011, 04:51 PM
What would be Hayes role? Backup C with some PF minutes in certain matchups? Sure. I like him and what he stands for. 4 mil a year?
Starting PF? No. I wouldn't like the idea at all. Just keep the money, work with Tyler and Josh, and wait for a good option to come up.

wintermute
07-16-2011, 04:56 PM
Yeah, Hayes has primarily been playing center for the Rockets. He's been their starting center for 2 seasons in fact (due to Yao Ming's injury).

I think PF is Chuck's ideal position. He's strong enough to bang with centers, but bigger guys can still shoot over him. Playing PF should make that less of an issue. And it's not like he's too slow to cover guys on the perimeter, as this clip shows:

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Good point though about Hibbert. I mean, if he's subjected to this (http://blog.chron.com/nba/2011/03/hayes-to-hibbert-im-going-to-mess-you-up-do-the-new-rockets-have-their-slogan/) every practice, something's got to give right? :D

OakMoses
07-16-2011, 05:01 PM
What would be Hayes role? Backup C with some PF minutes in certain matchups? Sure. I like him and what he stands for. 4 mil a year?
Starting PF? No. I wouldn't like the idea at all. Just keep the money, work with Tyler and Josh, and wait for a good option to come up.

I really think we need a top notch back-up center. We all saw how important Foster was during the playoffs. We have to invest in a back-up who can give us 20+ minutes of starter level play on any given night.

pacer4ever
07-16-2011, 05:02 PM
Yeah, Hayes has primarily been playing center for the Rockets. He's been their starting center for 2 seasons in fact (due to Yao Ming's injury).

I think PF is Chuck's ideal position. He's strong enough to bang with centers, but bigger guys can still shoot over him. Playing PF should make that less of an issue. And it's not like he's too slow to cover guys on the perimeter, as this clip shows:

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Good point though about Hibbert. I mean, if he's subjected to this (http://blog.chron.com/nba/2011/03/hayes-to-hibbert-im-going-to-mess-you-up-do-the-new-rockets-have-their-slogan/) every practice, something's got to give right? :D

Chuck is kind of like Luc Mbah a Moute

not as versatile because IMO LMAM can guard all 5 positions which is very rare. I would love to add LMAM.

ballism
07-16-2011, 05:09 PM
Dwight could play PF as well, but it's just not where he does the most damage. Backup C makes much more sense. A guy who can non stop box out, shove, push around bigger guys in the paint, and can't shoot except from under basket? That's a good defensive backup 5, who would be quite underused as a full time defender of Boshs and Blatches.
Not to mention, it's not easy to adjust to go from 5 to 4 when you are close to 30.

CableKC
07-16-2011, 09:52 PM
I really think we need a top notch back-up center. We all saw how important Foster was during the playoffs. We have to invest in a back-up who can give us 20+ minutes of starter level play on any given night.
Let's break down the minutes for the like 4 Frontcourt Players in our rotation. We know that there are 2 likely Players...Hibbert and Hansbrough....both commanding a likely combined total of roughly 52 to 54 minutes a game. I'm expecting that Bird will go after one of the top tier PF that will likely get paid anywhere between $8 to $14 mil a year ( anyone between Landry, West or Nene )....regardless, a Frontcourt Player that should play 28 to 30 Starter minutes a game.

What does that leave us?

A backup Frontcourt player that plays anywhere between 12 to 16 minutes a game. I agree that we should solidify our Frontcourt rotation and get a top tier Backup Center....but keep in mind that more often then not....that Player will more then likely play 12 minutes a game ( assuming that Hibbert plays 30 mpg, Hansbrough plays 24 mpg and the new Starting PF plays roughly 30 mpg )...not 20 minutes.

Taterhead
07-16-2011, 10:34 PM
I think Kwame Brown is the guy who fits the bill for us the most. He was a bust as a #1 pick, but he is actually a very solid big man and still fairly young. He has great size and pretty good athleticism. He rebounds and defends the low post very well and can play either spot. And he won't break the bank either. I really believe he is a guy that just needs to be in the right situation and he could start to change people's perception of him. He fits pretty well here I think as a potential starting 4 (he would have to slim down and get in better shape), or back-up 5.

I also like Hayes a lot. But I have more trouble seeing where he fits in the rotation. He seems best suited to be a back up 4. And I know he has played a lot of center but I really don't like him there for us. We need to add size inside, not necessarily get smaller. He's one of those guys anyone would love to have though. And I also like the point about Hibbert having to play against him in practice, that would be great for Big Roy.


Dalembert and Brown cannot play the 4 right? I am thinking they are both centers. Chuck Hayes is interesting but isnt he only 6'6? He rebounds some but is not a shot blocking presence. I am not sure about him.

I am going to just guess that the PF/C combo player needed would have to come via trade then? So, it is useless to speculate until the lock is lifted and we get an idea of the cap situation.

EDIT: I just looked at the stats for Brown. I would not over pay for him either. McBob is as productive as he is!

Kwame would have to lose about 20 lbs, but he started his career as a PF. I always like the idea of slimming bigs down vs. bulking them up. The thing about Brown is he is a very good defensive big around the hoop. He holds his ground well in the post, and has the size and length to be a presence in the paint. Both McRoberts and Hansbrough struggle in those areas and we suffer for it when he is on the court.

I wouldn't overpay for him either but he should not command a big contract. He would be much cheaper than Chandler, West or Nene.

jeffg-body
07-17-2011, 02:06 AM
This is just a question, a 2:00am question I must add. I like both Brown and Hayes. If we could land both of them for about the same salary as West would want would anyone be dissappointed. Brown can back-up Hibbert and Hayes can back up Tyler.

Richard_Skull
07-17-2011, 05:48 AM
Can someone who has watched Yi Jianlian tell me what's up with him? I've seen a few good games out of him, and know that he was hyped up a little bit; but he hasn't really done much. Does he just need to be coached up better? Given more time on a young team? etc? If we could sign him to a healthy contract, would he be worth the time/risk/etc?

Smits Happens
07-17-2011, 09:36 AM
I always like the idea of slimming bigs down vs. bulking them up.
I'd agree in some cases but that didn't work too well for Roy.

Nice post though.

Richard_Skull
07-17-2011, 12:59 PM
I'd agree in some cases but that didn't work too well for Roy.

Nice post though.

So you're saying Roy took a step back and didn't improve last year.

The way I see, and hopefully Roy sees it, is he got 'in shape' last year and now needs to 'strengthen up' for next season. Add some abdominal/back strength and some leg strength and he's beast.

It just bugs me that people act like Hibbert getting lean was a career killer.

Eleazar
07-17-2011, 01:19 PM
I'd agree in some cases but that didn't work too well for Roy.

Nice post though.

Bulking up didn't work to well for Bender and JO.

Smits Happens
07-17-2011, 02:16 PM
So you're saying Roy took a step back and didn't improve last year.

The way I see, and hopefully Roy sees it, is he got 'in shape' last year and now needs to 'strengthen up' for next season. Add some abdominal/back strength and some leg strength and he's beast.

It just bugs me that people act like Hibbert getting lean was a career killer.

I think you read way too much into what I said. Career killer? Really? How did you interpret my post to mean that?

And Roy himself has said he was too skinny last year.

Smits Happens
07-17-2011, 02:22 PM
Bulking up didn't work to well for Bender and JO.

I believe I did say I agree in some cases. Those would be two examples.

ECKrueger
07-17-2011, 06:00 PM
This is just a question, a 2:00am question I must add. I like both Brown and Hayes. If we could land both of them for about the same salary as West would want would anyone be dissappointed. Brown can back-up Hibbert and Hayes can back up Tyler.

I would not mind getting both of them, and would prefer them to West, but even together I don't know that they will add up to West's salary.

ballism
07-17-2011, 06:37 PM
Hayes and Kwame...
Well I'd rather have Hayes and West then. Or if some doubts with West (can't pass medical / too expensive), just keep the cap.

Two backups would be underwhelming. Not exactly what I've hoped for these many years. Especially when they are both mainly centers. With one of Foster/Stanko potentially available for the near future.
Maybe I could get it as an asset collection. Two cheap backups with a future trade in mind. But then are Kwame and Hayes safe assets? Both had up and down careers, both had confidence issues in the past, both aren't that young anymore. And then... if we really can get them cheap this summer with so many potential suitors... cheap would be the real market price.

CableKC
07-17-2011, 06:40 PM
Can someone who has watched Yi Jianlian tell me what's up with him? I've seen a few good games out of him, and know that he was hyped up a little bit; but he hasn't really done much. Does he just need to be coached up better? Given more time on a young team? etc? If we could sign him to a healthy contract, would he be worth the time/risk/etc?
I don't get the sense that he's the type of Frontcourt Player that we are looking for. I haven't watched him play before...but my limited impression of him is that he's more of a rotational Frontcourt Player then one that is bruiser or banger at the PF spot anymore then Murphy was.

CableKC
07-17-2011, 06:47 PM
As I have mentioned....IF we are going to a PF/C that can split time at both Frontcourt Positions next to Hibbert and Hansbrough....we're looking at a backup Center that can play 12 to 16 mpg.

If Kwame can be had for $3+ mil, provide some athleticism in the Frontcourt, play some consistent low-post defense, provide some decent rebounding and solid shotblocking....then I'd be okay with adding him. For that price, he'd be worth the $$$....for me....the REQUIREMENT that I think that we should have for the Backup Center is that he provides some solid Low Post Defense and athleticsm, and most importantly....he can help control the paint while giving Players a reason NOT to drive to the hoop...which fits the Smashmouth Frontcourt that I want. I would then want to make sure that we re-sign Foster to help fill out the Frontcourt.

I can understand the fascination with Chuck Hayes....but he's not a shotblocker...which is something that I am looking for to add to the frontcourt.

ballism
07-17-2011, 06:57 PM
Kwame isn't really a shot blocker either, defensively he's quite similar to Hayes in a lot of ways.

Kwame still makes more sense on paper as a backup 5. Size is nice. But I also worry about his mind more than Hayes. He bought into Larry Brown. But I still can't forget when basically Phil Jackson told him "I'll help you become the new Ben Wallace", and Kwame replied "I want to score more".
3 mil, I agree, it's a bargain. I think he's outpriced himself way out of 3 mil this year though.

pacers74
07-17-2011, 08:14 PM
kwame would be one of the guys we should go after if we miss out on Nene, Chandler, Landry and if we can't make a trade for the right player. Kwame could work out here for limited minutes, but he is a wild card. He has been a bust for most of his career.

troyc11a
07-17-2011, 09:57 PM
I don't get the sense that he's the type of Frontcourt Player that we are looking for. I haven't watched him play before...but my limited impression of him is that he's more of a rotational Frontcourt Player then one that is bruiser or banger at the PF spot anymore then Murphy was.

He was 12/7 with NJ when he got minutes. Plus, he is only 23 y/o. Seems to be some upside there if he doesnt command a big salary. I think this guy could be a sleeper. Real value there for only $3-4mill?

ballism
07-17-2011, 10:30 PM
If Yi learns to rebound and pass, he will be a poor man's Troy Murphy.
But... it is more or less a public secret by now that Yi's birth date was moved by 3 years. So he's really 26, almost 27. So there goes the poor man's Troy Murphy.

troyc11a
07-17-2011, 10:31 PM
If Yi learns to rebound and pass, he will be a poor man's Troy Murphy.
But... it is more or less a public secret by now that Yi's birth date was moved by 3 years. So he's really 26, almost 27. So there goes the poor man's Troy Murphy.

I thought he looked older than 23!
He would be a good bench player. But Bird said he wants to have the best bench in the league!

ballism
07-18-2011, 08:08 AM
I don't think Yi would be good in any role. Maybe as the 6th big who rarely plays and draws the Chinese fans. Again, he doesn't play much D, he does not rebound, his shooting efficiency is horrific and he doesn't pass. He tries to play like Troy Murphy, but he's much worse than Troy on a bad day. And potential is very questionable.
McRoberts looks like Malone compared to Yi.

Mackey_Rose
07-18-2011, 08:46 AM
I thought he looked older than 23!
He would be a good bench player. But Bird said he wants to have the best bench in the league!

His Chinese government developed birth certificate may list him at 23 years old, but he could be 30 for all anybody really knows.

BRushWithDeath
07-18-2011, 10:12 AM
His Chinese government developed birth certificate may list him at 23 years old, but he could be 30 for all anybody really knows.

You doubt the integrity of the Chinese government?!?!?!?

Gamble1
07-18-2011, 10:25 AM
This is just a question, a 2:00am question I must add. I like both Brown and Hayes. If we could land both of them for about the same salary as West would want would anyone be dissappointed. Brown can back-up Hibbert and Hayes can back up Tyler.
In all honesty I think Larry Bird would be disappointed and thats who really matters in this discussion. I don't get the impression that Larry is going to overpay for anyone but my hope is that we swing for the fences once the lockout is done. With KP on board I wonder if we get more creative with a trade of some sorts.

troyc11a
07-18-2011, 12:10 PM
I don't think Yi would be good in any role. Maybe as the 6th big who rarely plays and draws the Chinese fans. Again, he doesn't play much D, he does not rebound, his shooting efficiency is horrific and he doesn't pass. He tries to play like Troy Murphy, but he's much worse than Troy on a bad day. And potential is very questionable.
McRoberts looks like Malone compared to Yi.

Josh McRoberts did just turn 24. He has improved every year in the league. As far as a bench player goes, I would rather have him then Yi. The only problem is how much money has he earned for his next contract? Yi was making $5mill and I really think Josh is better.

pacergod2
07-18-2011, 12:30 PM
I hope we bring back Josh and Jeff. One of them may be a casualty if we do sign a big, but I would think that our front court would be really good if they were our fourth and fifth bigs. And the addition of Stanko possibly, would be great exposure, but it depends on the buyout in his new contract that he signed in Turkey.

Yi is horrible. He has terrific skill so he can light it up in practice sessions with no one guarding him. He is soft and weak. He is terrible defensively, because he lacks any lateral foot movement. He is exactly a poor man's Murphy. And that is not saying a whole lot.

Kwame won't come here with Hibbert. There are way too many teams looking for a legit center to start, that he will go play somewhere else before here. I really like Kwame and what he brings to the floor. He has matured a ton since his early years. Charlotte, Toronto, Golden State, Detroit, Atlanta, Houston, New York, Philadelphia. That is plenty of teams that are more attractive for him.

I really see Houston doing what they can to bring back Hayes. It will probably take overpaying the guy so much that it isn't worth it.

I could see us getting Aaron Gray or Kyrlyo Fesenko as strictly a backup C on a cheap deal.

The Sleeze
07-18-2011, 12:38 PM
i would be fine with Aaron Gray, i just think it would be funny to have Collison, Gray, and possibly D West or Landry......Hornets 2.0.

Gamble1
07-18-2011, 01:06 PM
i would be fine with Aaron Gray, i just think it would be funny to have Collison, Gray, and possibly D West or Landry......Hornets 2.0.
You forgot Posey...;)

Gamble1
07-18-2011, 01:13 PM
Kwame won't come here with Hibbert. There are way too many teams looking for a legit center to start, that he will go play somewhere else before here. I really like Kwame and what he brings to the floor. He has matured a ton since his early years. Charlotte, Toronto, Golden State, Detroit, Atlanta, Houston, New York, Philadelphia. That is plenty of teams that are more attractive for him.

I really see Houston doing what they can to bring back Hayes. It will probably take overpaying the guy so much that it isn't worth it.

I could see us getting Aaron Gray or Kyrlyo Fesenko as strictly a backup C on a cheap deal.
I think you could include Miami to that list as well. If you offer Hayes a decent size contract I think he might give us a serious thought. He certainly has more competition in Houston than he would here.

CableKC
07-18-2011, 03:29 PM
I hope we bring back Josh and Jeff. One of them may be a casualty if we do sign a big, but I would think that our front court would be really good if they were our fourth and fifth bigs..
I'd easily pick Foster over McBob.....I know that Foster is the very definition of SmashMouth Basketball that I want on the Team to either be the ( preferable ) 5th Big Man on the roster ( this is the Emergency Backup Big Man position that Solo filled ) or at most; the 4th Big Man to play 12 to 16 mpg behind Hibbert, whoever our Starting PF ( who should be playing some backup Center minutes next to Hansbrough ) and Hansbrough.


Kwame won't come here with Hibbert. There are way too many teams looking for a legit center to start, that he will go play somewhere else before here. I really like Kwame and what he brings to the floor. He has matured a ton since his early years. Charlotte, Toronto, Golden State, Detroit, Atlanta, Houston, New York, Philadelphia. That is plenty of teams that are more attractive for him.
Although it's true that all of those Teams ( including Indy ) need to add some depth at the Center position....I don't see any of those Teams offering him a Starting Center position to him. I can see Teams offering him more minutes then us at the Backup Center positions...but not the Starting Center spot.

pacergod2
07-18-2011, 04:13 PM
Although it's true that all of those Teams ( including Indy ) need to add some depth at the Center position....I don't see any of those Teams offering him a Starting Center position to him. I can see Teams offering him more minutes then us at the Backup Center positions...but not the Starting Center spot.

Which of those teams would start someone over him? The only one I could concieve would be Toronto, but that's only because they have Ed Davis, but he is more suited for coming off the bench in a PF/C role at this point. I think they would start Kwame over Amir and slide Bargnani over to 4.

Gamble, that is probably the best option on the list of teams for him, but Miami has no money available to grab anyone if they take away the exceptions in the new CBA. Plus they have Joel Anthony and Udonis Haslem that do what they would expect from Kwame. I don't really see Miami as a viable option.

ballism
07-18-2011, 04:18 PM
Toronto just spent a no.5 pick on a pure center. They have Bargnani, Davis and probably a high pick in next year's PF-rich draft.
I don't think they'd commit significant money on a center.

But I think Kwame will max out his value this offseason. Probably will get overpayed.

Gamble1
07-18-2011, 04:23 PM
Gamble, that is probably the best option on the list of teams for him, but Miami has no money available to grab anyone if they take away the exceptions in the new CBA. Plus they have Joel Anthony and Udonis Haslem that do what they would expect from Kwame. I don't really see Miami as a viable option.
I think Kwame starts over Anthony and Hasliem is Bosh's backup. If they take away the exceptions then your right but if not then I see Kwame enjoying South Beach. One of these teams who will lose out on the Dalembert sweep stakes will have Kwame next on their list.