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    Shaw's hiring generates rare buzz

    Shaw's hiring generates rare buzz

    http://www.nba.com/pacers/blog_brunner_2011.html

    By: Conrad Brunner


    Indianapolis (July 13, 2011) -- Rarely does the hiring of an assistant coach generate buzz.

    But when the assistant coach is of the caliber of Brian Shaw, there's reason for excitement.

    Especially if you're the head coach.

    "We hit a home run," said Frank Vogel. "That's what we do: we shoot for the moon and we go get it. To bring a guy like Brian Shaw to our staff, somebody that's got three championships as a player and who worked under Phil Jackson, arguably the greatest coach in NBA history, and with two championships as an assistant coach, it's a home run on so many levels. We're just thrilled about it."

    Shaw was available only because in the aftermath of Jackson's retirement, Lakers management opted not to promote from within and instead hired Mike Brown, the former Pacers assistant who was highly successful in his head coaching stint with the Cavaliers.

    Instead of the heir apparent, Shaw was unemployed. But that didn't mean he lacked for options. This is, after all, a guy with five NBA championship rings (three as a player, two as an assistant coach) who reached the playoffs 11 times in 14 seasons during his playing days. It's safe to say Shaw is one of the most respected leaders in the game.

    "It just goes to show that in this wacky business that we're in you never know what's going to happen," Shaw said. "Nothing was ever promised to me (in L.A.), nor did I expect anything. I knew especially for that team and in that city, everybody who had any love for coaching basketball would come out and gun for that head coaching position in Los Angeles.

    "I just take away from it I had a great opportunity to learn from probably the best coach in all of professional sports in Phil Jackson and I just tried to soak up as much as I possibly could during the time I was there with him. They made they choice they made. I'm happy with the choice I made here."

    The Pacers' situation appealed to Shaw on many levels. Start with his friendship with Larry Bird dating back to their three seasons as teammates in Boston in the early 1990s. Mix in the opportunity to serve as Associate Head Coach, a clear designation as the right-hand man.

    And then there is the team itself, a talented group that showed such promise after Vogel took over last season and is trying to get precisely where Shaw has been the past 12 years -- the top of the mountain.

    "That's the challenge and that's the part that's very exciting for me because as I've gone through and done head coaching interviews and what-have-you, that's kind of been one of the knocks -- that I've been under Phil Jackson and his system and that's the only thing that I know," Shaw said. "… For me, that's the challenge, to come and be part of a different system, different organization, a part of a team that's building as opposed to a team that everybody on the outside feels like is already a championship-caliber team like the Lakers had.

    "This is a situation that I have not really been in as a coach so I'm excited about that and looking forward to changing that perception."

    Shaw will be the lead assistant on Vogel's streamlined staff, joining returnee Dan Burke. Jim Boylen, the former University of Utah head coach and long-time Rockets assistant, is expected to round out the staff once final contract details are ironed out.

    It is a remarkably strong and experienced staff, a vital support structure for Vogel, with Shaw a valuable resource in the next seat on the bench.

    "I didn't know if I could get him, quite frankly," Vogel said. "This is a guy that has been in the final running for high-level head coaching positions in this league and for whatever circumstances they didn't work out. I didn't know if I could get a guy of that caliber.

    "It became a little bit of a recruitment, there was a lot of interest in him around the league and the fact he chose to be here to work for me, to work for Larry Bird, to be a part of this team, is just indicative of what we're building here. This is a special environment. There's a tremendous positive vibe to what we're doing and people want to be here and that's exciting."





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    Last edited by Kemo; 07-14-2011, 06:33 AM.
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    Re: Shaw's hiring generates rare buzz

    Does anyone know how many years Shaw's contract is for?

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      That's pretty small font Kemo. Good content though, glad we could get him on board.

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        Re: Shaw's hiring generates rare buzz

        Originally posted by Vogel
        "It became a little bit of a recruitment, there was a lot of interest in him around the league and the fact he chose to be here to work for me, to work for Larry Bird, to be a part of this team, is just indicative of what we're building here. This is a special environment. There's a tremendous positive vibe to what we're doing and people want to be here and that's exciting."
        Now if we can convince Dwight Howard and Eric Gordon of that, we've really got it made.
        It's a new day for Pacers Basketball.

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          Kemo that's a cool profile pic.
          I'm not perfect and neither are you.

          Romans 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the esteem of Elohim,
          Ephisians 4: 32 And be kind towards one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as Elohim also forgave you in Messiah.

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            Now if we could only have at least part of this season happen as an audition to some of the 2012 biggies who could put us over the top...
            Goodbye Captain, My Captain. I wish you had the chance to sink or swim with your ship on its quest for the "ship".

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              Originally posted by sportfireman View Post
              Kemo that's a cool profile pic.


              heh thanks .. I just edited it and added some flavor ..



              Sucks though cause I had to use paint in order to magically edit that in.. which is no easy task in paint let me tell you .. lol
              "Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end."

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                Re: Shaw's hiring generates rare buzz

                Originally posted by Kemo View Post
                "It became a little bit of a recruitment, there was a lot of interest in him around the league and the fact he chose to be here to work for me, to work for Larry Bird, to be a part of this team, is just indicative of what we're building here. This is a special environment. There's a tremendous positive vibe to what we're doing and people want to be here and that's exciting."
                I wonder if the part about "...and people want to be here and that's exciting" is aimed at anyone in particular. It might be communication to an intended target that isn't readily apparent and the Shaw hiring is a great way of putting it out there. I wonder if we have been doing more of the hirings during the lockout for that reason. That and I would think they want to keep community interest progressing. Regardless of whether he meant it for anyone, it is nice having these types of things going on heading into free agency. These players are paying attention. They are heading into free agency and they have time to think. I bet that will help us sell a player or two. Our players need to be ambassadors in their off time.
                "Your course, your path, is not going to be like mine," West says. "Everybody is not called to be a multimillionaire. Everybody's not called to be the president. Whatever your best work is, you do it. Do it well. … You cease your own greatness when you aspire to be someone else."

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                  Re: Shaw's hiring generates rare buzz

                  Has there ever been an assistant coach hired in the NBA that created this much buzz? He is a good hire but Im not exactly thrilled because he is only the lead assistant. I dont think I can remember this much emphasis being put on an assistant here.
                  Or, is this the product of the lockout? What else is there to talk about besides David West?

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                    Re: Shaw's hiring generates rare buzz

                    Originally posted by pacergod2 View Post
                    I wonder if the part about "...and people want to be here and that's exciting" is aimed at anyone in particular. It might be communication to an intended target that isn't readily apparent and the Shaw hiring is a great way of putting it out there. I wonder if we have been doing more of the hirings during the lockout for that reason. That and I would think they want to keep community interest progressing. Regardless of whether he meant it for anyone, it is nice having these types of things going on heading into free agency. These players are paying attention. They are heading into free agency and they have time to think. I bet that will help us sell a player or two. Our players need to be ambassadors in their off time.
                    I think it was just an off hand comment that there were many people who were genuinely interested in being in Indy for Indy not because they just wanted a job.

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                      Re: Shaw's hiring generates rare buzz

                      Originally posted by troyc11a View Post
                      Has there ever been an assistant coach hired in the NBA that created this much buzz? He is a good hire but Im not exactly thrilled because he is only the lead assistant. I dont think I can remember this much emphasis being put on an assistant here.
                      Or, is this the product of the lockout? What else is there to talk about besides David West?
                      Mike Brown generated a good bit of buzz.
                      This space for rent.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Shaw's hiring generates rare buzz

                        Apparently Vogel and Shaw have known each other for years and are good friends. This is the first time I've encountered that little tidbit! I've seen people wondering how a relatively inexperienced coach snagged such a high profile assistant. Maybe this helps explain things. I'm hoping their familiarity bodes well for coaching staff chemistry going forward.

                        http://www.nba.com/2011/news/07/13/p....ap/index.html

                        Excerpt:


                        "The Indiana Pacers introduced Shaw on as their new associate head coach Wednesday. He will work alongside Pacers coach Frank Vogel, a man he knows from their days on Los Angeles' staff together during the 2005-2006 season.


                        "We really established a special connection back then," Shaw said. "A good friendship. We stayed in touch over the years."
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