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Speed
07-11-2011, 05:33 PM
http://twitter.com/#!/MikeWellsNBA/status/90511622900158465

@MikeWellsNBA (http://twitter.com/#!/MikeWellsNBA) Mike Wells




Vogel's coaching staff - brian shaw, dan burke and jim boylen - scheduled to meet with the media on wednesday.

mattie
07-11-2011, 05:35 PM
I can't get over the fact that we got Brian Shaw. It makes me giddy every time I read his name. He's just an awesome person all the way around, whether it be basketball or who he is as a person.

Hicks
07-11-2011, 06:24 PM
I edited the title a bit to make things more clear to the casual browser.

Seems like Vogel has made himself a very nice supporting staff here. I'm very happy with how this is appearing to have turned out. Proof will be in the pudding whenever we finally end this damned lockout.

My only modest concern is that Boylen seems like kind of a doofus in front of the press, but otherwise I generally like what I've read.

Between Shaw and Boylen, newbie Frank has certainly surrounded himself with a lot of experience, notably championship experience at that.

I wonder how Frank intends to generally implement each of them. Like with Bird, Rick was the offensive coordinator and Dick was the defensive coordinator. I'm assuming Frank will be more hands-on with the X's and O's. Brian Shaw seems like the natural choice to keep the locker room in order at all times and to prevent the issues we heard about last season with players slacking off.

Boylen I'm more fuzzy on, though he certainly seems like he has an abundance of experience, and I think I read he specializes in offenses built around a front court, which could bode well for Tyler, Roy, and if we add another PF in free agency or trade. Certainly would seem to fit with Frank's goal of "Smashmouth Basketball" he had last time around.

I'm sure Dan Burke will continue to do whatever it is Dan Burke apparently does so well that he's now been a part of (counts) FIVE different Pacer coaching staffs. That's pretty incredible to me.

Hopefully we'll get some decent elaboration on their roles and perhaps in the case of Shaw and Boylen, their philosophies they intend to bring to the table, because God knows they can't talk about anything else.

PR07
07-11-2011, 06:39 PM
After reading the thread title, I thought Boylen was going to get his own press conference. I was thinking, "Man, things must be really, really slow..."

Kegboy
07-11-2011, 07:12 PM
My only modest concern is that Boylen seems like kind of a doofus in front of the press, but otherwise I generally like what I've read.

When is an assistant ever in front of the press? He may be on the postgame show occasionally, but since as of now we have no one to interview him, I don't think we need to worry.

Hicks
07-11-2011, 08:07 PM
When is an assistant ever in front of the press? He may be on the postgame show occasionally, but since as of now we have no one to interview him, I don't think we need to worry.

Well, there's that, but I guess if he's going to act like that in front of the cameras, how much of a jackass is he going to be towards the players, and how quickly will his act wear thin with them?

Let's just say I'm much, much happier about Shaw than I am Boylen from that POV.

Eleazar
07-11-2011, 09:15 PM
Well, there's that, but I guess if he's going to act like that in front of the cameras, how much of a jackass is he going to be towards the players, and how quickly will his act wear thin with them?

Let's just say I'm much, much happier about Shaw than I am Boylen from that POV.

Some people just don't like the press, but behind closed doors could be the coolest man around. Different situations bring out different personalities.

wintermute
07-12-2011, 07:44 AM
A question that no one seems to have asked - why are we going from 5 assistants to 3? Is it a money issue? Preference of quality over quantity? What impact, if any, would we see on games, player development, etc. With only 3 guys, I'd guess that there are no specialists on staff, i.e. each assistant will have multiple responsibilities.

Speed
07-12-2011, 08:12 AM
A question that no one seems to have asked - why are we going from 5 assistants to 3? Is it a money issue? Preference of quality over quantity? What impact, if any, would we see on games, player development, etc. With only 3 guys, I'd guess that there are no specialists on staff, i.e. each assistant will have multiple responsibilities.

Its a good question, but I'd rather have Shaw than basically any two other assistants that I can think of.

pacer4ever
07-12-2011, 08:24 AM
Its a good question, but I'd rather have Shaw than basically any two other assistants that I can think of.

I want 2 more having only 3 leaves so much work for the 3 we have they are basically almost doing double the work now.

Speed
07-12-2011, 08:30 AM
I want 2 more having only 3 leaves so much work for the 3 we have they are basically almost doing double the work now.

I can see that. With Birds staff you had Carlise and Harter only, but that was a veteran group of players, so you really probably just needed an offensive and defensive coordinator. It goes back to the idea of having a big man coach or coaches who can work extensively with individuals.

On that note, is Billy Keller still employed by the team as a shooting coach? If so, this may be a way around the above concept. Being in Indiana, I'm sure there are a plethora of options for skill set type coaches available.

Unclebuck
07-12-2011, 08:42 AM
A question that no one seems to have asked - why are we going from 5 assistants to 3? Is it a money issue? Preference of quality over quantity? What impact, if any, would we see on games, player development, etc. With only 3 guys, I'd guess that there are no specialists on staff, i.e. each assistant will have multiple responsibilities.


I doubt it is a money issue (the 4th and 5th assistant coaches don't make a ton of money.

Bird always said when he was the coach that there is no need for a bunch of assistant coaches - there just isn't enough for each guy to do.

Having said that I'm sure there is a video coordinator and some other guys behind the scenes who do some of the grunt work.

On Brian Shaw, don't get me wrong, I am not unhappy having him as our lead assistant, but do we know what his coaching philosophy is? He's been an assistant coach in one capacity or another for 7 seasons - which is pretty good, I guess, but that is still a newby by most standards. I guess I just don't get all the excitement over him.

pacer4ever
07-12-2011, 08:43 AM
I can see that. With Birds staff you had Carlise and Harter only, but that was a veteran group of players, so you really probably just needed an offensive and defensive coordinator. It goes back to the idea of having a big man coach or coaches who can work extensively with individuals.

On that note, is Billy Keller still employed by the team as a shooting coach? If so, this may be a way around the above concept. Being in Indiana, I'm sure there are a plethora of options for skill set type coaches available.

Thats the key i mean they had a locker room leader in Reggie who could handle the locker room and let the coach get work done.

Speed
07-12-2011, 08:57 AM
On Brian Shaw, don't get me wrong, I am not unhappy having him as our lead assistant, but do we know what his coaching philosophy is? He's been an assistant coach in one capacity or another for 7 seasons - which is pretty good, I guess, but that is still a newby by most standards. I guess I just don't get all the excitement over him.

I am basically going off of him learning under Phil Jackson and the endorsement of Shaq, to me, is a pretty good compliment. Also, the background as a player on highly sucessful teams is a plus. Also, seeing that video of him was really telling I think as to what kind of person he is. He seems genuine, that goes a long way with people in general, I think.

What I'm impressed with is his soft skills. I think Phil was sucessful because he knew how to get to players psyche and get them to participate in the greater good for the team. I think that, with what looks like his natural personality type could make him a huge asset.

Now I just typed two paragraphs without hardly mentioning his knowledge of basketball. So who knows on that front.

I have thought for a couple of years now, that most coaches at the NBA level know the game and that the soft skills have become whats more important in managing an NBA team. Just my opinion.

Besides even if Shaw isn't a genius on the Xs and Os, I kinda get the vibe that Vogel is rainmanish in breaking down tape and strategy, especially after some nice work against the NBAs coach of the year, last year. Thats just my opinion too. :)

Peck
07-12-2011, 09:59 AM
Thats the key i mean they had a locker room leader in Reggie who could handle the locker room and let the coach get work done.

Reggie was never the locker room leader, Mark Jackson was the leader of that particular group of players.

Reggie was a lot of things and he certainly was a leader from the standpoint of keeping himself ready and being an example of work ethic, but he was never a locker room or even a floor leader.

Justin Tyme
07-12-2011, 11:46 AM
A question that no one seems to have asked - why are we going from 5 assistants to 3?

Is it a money issue?

Preference of quality over quantity? What impact, if any, would we see on games, player development, etc. With only 3 guys, I'd guess that there are no specialists on staff, i.e. each assistant will have multiple responsibilities.


My belief it's a money issue.

Bird took a cut in pay, Vogel won't make O'Brien's salary, and fewer ast coaches says to me it's a money issue. Fewer ast coaches to pay during the lockout = money saved for ownership. Who is to say that once the lockout is over the Pacers won't hire another ast coach? Or the saved money is paying Pritchard's salary.

PR07
07-12-2011, 12:06 PM
Reggie was never the locker room leader, Mark Jackson was the leader of that particular group of players.

Reggie was a lot of things and he certainly was a leader from the standpoint of keeping himself ready and being an example of work ethic, but he was never a locker room or even a floor leader.

I think Reggie was a floor leader, just as Derek Jeter is a field leader. No, he wasn't going to say "Rah, rah...let's do it guys," but you knew in a big spot that he was going to do everything in his power to help his team win and expected to win. Most of the times he succeeded too. I think that type of mentality picks up your teamates. Was he the only leader? No. However, he was a leader.

imawhat
07-12-2011, 12:10 PM
I'm sure he wasn't the leader, but I remember Reggie's teammates and coaches on the '94 World Championship team unanimously saying the thing they were most surprised about on the team was Reggie's leadership and preparation.

Hicks
07-12-2011, 01:35 PM
Thats the key i mean they had a locker room leader in Reggie who could handle the locker room and let the coach get work done.

Who said Reggie was a locker room leader? He was a lead-by-example guy. Mark Jackson was the leader.

pacer4ever
07-12-2011, 05:20 PM
Who said Reggie was a locker room leader? He was a lead-by-example guy. Mark Jackson was the leader.

That is what we are missing (a guy like kevin durant) our best player who works hard day in and day out and leads that way(kevin durant is first one in the gym last one to leave same as Reggie). I mean last year there was rumblings of players dogging it in practice.

PR07
07-12-2011, 05:30 PM
That is what we are missing (a guy like kevin durant) our best player who works hard day in and day out and leads that way(kevin durant is first one in the gym last one to leave same as Reggie). I mean last year there was rumblings of players dogging it in practice.

I don't know. It seems to me that Danny Granger might already be this guy. He's just not vocal enough, but appears to put in his work and backs it up on the court (see the playoffs against the Bulls).

Hibbert looked like he might take over the "charismatic, everyone wants to be around Mark Jackson role", but his confidence issues might prevent that from ever happening.

I think we need the Mark Jackson leader more than we need the Reggie right now.

Bury Your Dead
07-12-2011, 05:34 PM
On Brian Shaw, don't get me wrong, I am not unhappy having him as our lead assistant, but do we know what his coaching philosophy is? He's been an assistant coach in one capacity or another for 7 seasons - which is pretty good, I guess, but that is still a newby by most standards. I guess I just don't get all the excitement over him.

First off I agree with what "Speed" said but to add my 2 cents...

What gets me interested in the guy or excited, is the fact that Kobe wanted him as the front runner for the head coaching position for the Lakers job. To me that says enough. For one of the best players of all time IMO to want him, thats enough for me to buy in that he's one hell of a Coach/Leader/Man. And he will get the respect(like Bird gets) in the locker room, coaching, practices, games, ect... Just for the simple fact he is who he is, a winner.

Doddage
07-12-2011, 05:37 PM
That is what we are missing (a guy like kevin durant) our best player who works hard day in and day out and leads that way(kevin durant is first one in the gym last one to leave same as Reggie). I mean last year there was rumblings of players dogging it in practice.
Wait, I thought you said Reggie was a locker room leader?

greengirl33
07-12-2011, 06:42 PM
Could have swore I had read somewhere that it was a financial decision. Unfortunately I can't find the link at the moment. Personally, though, I don't think it's that bad of an idea.

First, we seem to be headed towards a lockout that may last the entire season. With teams trying to save every penny why spend for four new assistants that wouldn't even have a chance of working with any of the players?

Second, Vogel is a babe in the woods in this position for a team still rebuilding. He has quite a few issues to deal with this year and maybe in this instance, simplicty is best.

As a side note, I'm an old school fan and quite honestly have never understood why there were more than two or three assistants to begin with.

neosmndrew
07-12-2011, 06:47 PM
We have three assistant coaches who at some point in time were in the running for HC positions (not sure about Burke), and in Shaws case, by the biggest names. I do not think coaching can get you very far, but this staff has the potential to take us as far as a staff can. We are really only a few pieces a way from being a great team thanks to this. Pritchard will help, too.

Hicks
07-13-2011, 07:59 AM
Apparently there's going to be a Pacers Crate with these guys at 1030.

aero
07-13-2011, 09:38 AM
the Presser is set for 10:30am local time and will be on Pacers Crate "live edition"

http://www.nba.com/pacers/crate_110713.html

Kegboy
07-13-2011, 10:32 AM
Anyone getting the feed?

Kegboy
07-13-2011, 10:34 AM
They've changed it to 10:45am.

Sparhawk
07-13-2011, 10:36 AM
well that makes sense since nothing was happening other than me hitting refresh.

Sparhawk
07-13-2011, 10:40 AM
mic check 1 and 2 worked buddy

Kegboy
07-13-2011, 10:43 AM
mic check 1 and 2 worked buddy

Tuck in your shirt, ya bum.

Sparhawk
07-13-2011, 10:45 AM
Tuck in your shirt, ya bum.

Ah, man, really? Do I have to? I'm not wearing a belt.

graphic-er
07-13-2011, 10:46 AM
what the heck , they're late to their own live broadcast. Get it together Conrad.

ECKrueger
07-13-2011, 10:46 AM
Well, the feed is up...let's see some action.

Heisenberg
07-13-2011, 10:46 AM
I like to think Shaw's major condition of coming here was getting some proper lighting for these press conferences. That last one was ridiculous.

ECKrueger
07-13-2011, 10:46 AM
what the heck , they're late to their own live broadcast. Get it together Conrad.

From the Pacers twitter: "Availability with the coaches has been pushed back a bit. Look for #PacersCrate to go live at about 10:45a."

Sparhawk
07-13-2011, 10:47 AM
From the Pacers twitter: "Availability with the coaches has been pushed back a bit. Look for #PacersCrate to go live at about 10:45a."

10:45 = 10:50

Coaches late, Oh noes!

Kegboy
07-13-2011, 10:48 AM
:whistle:

:twiddlethumbs:

The Sleeze
07-13-2011, 10:48 AM
The same people working to solve the lockout must be trying to get this press conference started.....take your time much.

Heisenberg
07-13-2011, 10:48 AM
<iframe width="560" height="349" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/HS_IQ3dGxA4" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

NSFW. Can't wait for Boylen to hit the mic.

Kegboy
07-13-2011, 10:48 AM
Somebody just mentioned Harry Potter.

Sparhawk
07-13-2011, 10:49 AM
Somebody just mentioned Harry Potter.

Going this weekend.

Shaw seems a bit under prepared.

Heisenberg
07-13-2011, 10:52 AM
Shaw had other options. Has a long standing relationship with Larry. Likes this team.

Sparhawk
07-13-2011, 10:54 AM
please god, don't study past film Shaw. we want to move away from JOB offense and defense.

I'd like to see a more motion offense with screens/pick and rolls. Limit ISOs.

Defense, I'd like to see us crash the boards more than we have in the past. Kind of hard when all your players are out on the perimeter.

Sparhawk
07-13-2011, 10:57 AM
That guy on the right, please don't ever wear that shirt again.

The Sleeze
07-13-2011, 10:57 AM
Somebody just mentioned Harry Potter.

The first Batman teaser trailer is going to play before Harry Potter

Sparhawk
07-13-2011, 10:58 AM
Does have 3 assistants better than 5? I'm thinking it's ok, cause Shaw is like another head coach on the team. Not sure what Burke brings to the table though.

Heisenberg
07-13-2011, 10:59 AM
I'd realized Burke had been here a long time, but FOURTEEN years?! FIVE head coaches. That's just nuts.

Young
07-13-2011, 11:00 AM
Conrad needs to keep his hand out of the space of the guest. Every time he talks his hand is almost in the face of Shaw/Burke.

BillS
07-13-2011, 11:00 AM
please god, don't study past film Shaw. we want to move away from JOB offense and defense.

You still have to watch the film to see what the players can and can't do. Whether you are using the entire offensive/defensive scheme or not, components are interchangeable (especially individual activities such as ball handling, pick setting, and passing).

Sparhawk
07-13-2011, 11:00 AM
They need a larger crate.

Kegboy
07-13-2011, 11:01 AM
Dan Burke = game prep

Heisenberg
07-13-2011, 11:02 AM
So today we officially added 5 championships to our staff.

Sparhawk
07-13-2011, 11:04 AM
So today we officially added 5 championships to our staff.

:trophy:
:trophy:
:trophy:
:trophy:
:trophy:

CompACE
07-13-2011, 11:06 AM
Does Dan Burke not know who Clint Eastwood is? He just referred to him as "the old guy from Gran Torino." :D

The Sleeze
07-13-2011, 11:07 AM
Can we please get the guests their own mic so Conrad can quit forgetting to put it in front of them while they speak.

Kegboy
07-13-2011, 11:07 AM
Does Dan Burke not know who Clint Eastwood is? He just referred to him as "the old guy from Gran Torino." :D

I think he was referring to the character, yelling at kids getting off his lawn.

Speed
07-13-2011, 11:09 AM
Wow, the play by play is great on this thread!! I have no idea whats going on. :)

BillS
07-13-2011, 11:10 AM
Can we please get the guest his own mic so Conrad can quit forgetting to put it in front of him while he speaks.

They're setting a precedent so they can make sure Boylen doesn't control his own mic :zip:

Heisenberg
07-13-2011, 11:10 AM
Did Boyle just get bleeped or did my video skip? Neither'd surprise me.

BillS
07-13-2011, 11:12 AM
Mark Boyle as a clip joint guy on the midway. Priceless image.

imawhat
07-13-2011, 11:16 AM
I can listen to coach Frank as filler.

Sparhawk
07-13-2011, 11:19 AM
Frank is getting me super pumped for the season...then I remember we have a lockout.Thanks a lot Frank for your firery enthusiasm!

imawhat
07-13-2011, 11:21 AM
So Boylen hasn't signed yet. Hah.

BillS
07-13-2011, 11:21 AM
OK, that was kind of interesting, Boylen not completely finalized yet.

Kegboy
07-13-2011, 11:21 AM
Boylen's not finalized.

:yikes:

imawhat
07-13-2011, 11:22 AM
Frank says Dan Burke is brilliant.

Heisenberg
07-13-2011, 11:22 AM
The way Frank worded it made it sound like Boylen and Larry are up in the office BSing and cracking jokes.

Kegboy
07-13-2011, 11:22 AM
The way Frank worded it made it sound like Boylen and Larry are up in the office BSing and cracking jokes.

They're just keeping him away from the media.

BillS
07-13-2011, 11:24 AM
Bwaahaahaaaa the undercover PD guys still unidentified by Vogel.

imawhat
07-13-2011, 11:24 AM
Go Conrad. Worldwide Pants is correct. They hold the rights to the Letterman Vogel clip.

Kegboy
07-13-2011, 11:25 AM
Lockout TV, it's fantastic!

Heisenberg
07-13-2011, 11:25 AM
Tell me what other NBA head coach'd do a flying crane on video. Gotta love this dude.

ECKrueger
07-13-2011, 11:25 AM
Bwaahaahaaaa the undercover PD guys still unidentified by Vogel.

Haha, I was hoping they would mention us. I love the crane too. "Am I really doing this?"

imawhat
07-13-2011, 11:26 AM
All coaches will be doing everything.

Sparhawk
07-13-2011, 11:26 AM
Coach Frank is going to kick a lot of *** this coming season, karate style.

He's going to wax off his competition.

The Sleeze
07-13-2011, 11:28 AM
That killed the perfect amount of time for me to get ready to watch the women's world cup.

Kegboy
07-13-2011, 11:29 AM
The sad thing is, half the board would say Frank looks nothing like Will Smith's kid.

BillS
07-13-2011, 11:30 AM
The sad thing is, half the board would say Frank looks nothing like Will Smith's kid.

Except that they explicitly said "Ralph Macchio" a number of times.

I'd be more worried about the ones wondering where there was karate in "Happy Days".

Heisenberg
07-13-2011, 11:30 AM
Bummer about Boylen, was really looking forward to a "whipped cream on a turd still tastes like *&$%"

Young
07-13-2011, 11:39 AM
I enjoyed hearing from Shaw, Burke, and Frank. I really wanted to hear from Boylen too. I watched a few Youtube clips of Jim Boylen interviews. I don't think he is that bad with the media unless they ask him stupid questions like "How does it feel to lose by 20 points?" or something like that.

I don't know exactly what locker room issues the Pacers had. There has been talk of not always practicing hard and things like that. A lot feel that Brian Shaw will help with that. I think Boylen will too. He seems like someone who will not put up with any BS and will not hesitate to crack the whip. He'll embrace the role of bad cop.

graphic-er
07-13-2011, 12:21 PM
Okay serious, I want to see Vogel make a Crane on the sidelines during a game. Can you imagine Vogel making a crane stance at the Bull's coach in the playoffs? Would be Legen....dary.

Since86
07-13-2011, 01:32 PM
The video is now up on Pacers.com.

http://www.nba.com/pacers/pacers_videos_2011.html

Sandman21
07-13-2011, 03:32 PM
I lost it when they started talking about the Letterman clip...

They don't know about Metacafe and Dailymotion! :D

LetsTalkPacers
07-13-2011, 07:58 PM
Man I had no interest in getting recognition for the Letterman clip until Vogel said he wanted to know who/how it got out there. Now I wish I had a way to tell him.

xBulletproof
07-13-2011, 08:03 PM
Email Grady at the show on 1070. Who knows? Maybe he gets word to him.

I believe Grady reads this site, so he may already know.

ECKrueger
07-13-2011, 08:25 PM
Email Grady at the show on 1070. Who knows? Maybe he gets word to him.

I believe Grady reads this site, so he may already know.

If he gets word to him, they may have LetsTalk on Pacers Crate for a press conference announcing he is the one who deserves the credit.

LetsTalkPacers
07-13-2011, 08:39 PM
If he gets word to him, they may have LetsTalk on Pacers Crate for a press conference announcing he is the one who deserves the credit.
Im not in to all of that. I dont want credit per say. Im not trying to sound like a douche bag, that thinks he deserves praise or recognition. I just want Vogel to know a real Pacer fan was the one who unearthed this and not some random person. I think that would make him feel good. (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=WbV&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&sa=X&ei=QjseTo44xq6wAuHOpNUD&ved=0CB0QvwUoAQ&q=douchebag&spell=1)

ECKrueger
07-13-2011, 09:05 PM
Im not in to all of that. I dont want credit per say. Im not trying to sound like a douche bag, that thinks he deserves praise or recognition. I just want Vogel to know a real Pacer fan was the one who unearthed this and not some random person. I think that would make him feel good.

I was kidding man. I know what you mean.