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able
07-07-2011, 01:12 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ap-cavaliers-dleague

CANTON, Ohio (AP)—The Cleveland Cavaliers will own and operate an NBA Development League franchise in Canton.

The team announced Thursday that it has acquired ownership of the former New Mexico Thunderbirds. The Cavaliers will become the fifth NBA team to run its own D-League team, joining the Lakers, Golden State, Oklahoma City and San Antonio. As owners, the Cavaliers will have exclusive control over all basketball and business elements for the franchise.

The team is asking fans to submit possible nicknames for the team, which will play next season at the Memorial Civic Center.

The Cavs previously had an agreement with the Erie Bayhawks, who recently signed with the New York Knicks. Cleveland shared its D-League team with Toronto.

able
07-07-2011, 01:14 PM
Amazing to me is that in that list only LA is supposedly a non-money-losing team.

No NBADL team registers much of a profit if any at all to my (limited) knowledge

Pacers13Colts12
07-07-2011, 01:20 PM
Don't some of the teams play like out of the practice facility or rec center? I saw one game where it literally had room for about 30 people, no seats, standing room only. I'd love to see the Pacers develop a team of their own, but I don't think it will ever happen...too cheap.

BillS
07-07-2011, 01:21 PM
Amazing to me is that in that list only LA is supposedly a non-money-losing team.

No NBADL team registers much of a profit if any at all to my (limited) knowledge

If you have a D-League team that is regional to your main team, it could vary well be a marketing tool to improve the fanbase for your NBA franchise. The losses involved with a D-League franchise are probably pennies compared to the costs of an NBA franchise, likely on the par with other marketing spending and perhaps more effective.

spazzxb
07-07-2011, 01:29 PM
Don't some of the teams play like out of the practice facility or rec center? I saw one game where it literally had room for about 30 people, no seats, standing room only. I'd love to see the Pacers develop a team of their own, but I don't think it will ever happen...too cheap.

We don't even use the team we got(Fort Wayne). What good would it do the organization to have a team of there own?

Also the Mad Ants play here.

http://rpmedia.ask.com:80/ts?u=/wikipedia/commons/b/ba/Allen_County_War_Memorial_Coliseum.JPG

Are you sure you weren't watching the Orlando Summer League?

PR07
07-07-2011, 01:55 PM
I would say it would be cool if the Pacers bought the Mad Ants, but then I realize we have yet to send a single player to them. It would just be a waste.

able
07-07-2011, 02:01 PM
1. I think the NBADL can only be successful when approached like the MLB does.
This would mean all teams have their own team, so i am happy for any development that way
2. buniness wise if you are already losing money, why add more losses?, investing serious money to lose more.......

ambivalent, yes but that is just prone with the lockout going on, nothing else.

CooperManning
07-07-2011, 02:01 PM
I would say it would be cool if the Pacers bought the Mad Ants, but then I realize we have yet to send a single player to them. It would just be a waste.

We likely haven't sent a player to them because we don't really know what's going on over there. If the Pacers had their own staff running the Mad Ants, I'm sure 2nd rounders and end of the bench players would see some action for them.

PR07
07-07-2011, 02:07 PM
We likely haven't sent a player to them because we don't really know what's going on over there. If the Pacers had their own staff running the Mad Ants, I'm sure 2nd rounders and end of the bench players would see some action for them.

I'm not so sure. It seems to me the Pacers believe the best way for a young player to grow is by playing and practicing with the pro's. You act and play like a professional by being around a group every day.

As for baseball, I never see the NBDL reaching that level. For one, the MLB draft has rounds upon rounds of prospects, and they simply need rosters to stash them on. Development is key for baseball prospects, whereas in basketball, you pretty much know if a guy can play right away. That's why many second round picks hardly amount to anything more than back of the bench fodder.

CooperManning
07-07-2011, 02:09 PM
I'm not so sure. It seems to me the Pacers believe the best way for a young player to grow is by playing and practicing with the pro's. You act and play like a professional by being around a group every day.

Yeah I don't think guys like Lance would be long-term Mad Ants, but I think they might play 2-3 game stretches if they're not getting minutes with the team.

Swish
07-07-2011, 02:39 PM
I thought the Cavs were an NBADL team...

wintermute
07-07-2011, 02:39 PM
If you have a D-League team that is regional to your main team, it could vary well be a marketing tool to improve the fanbase for your NBA franchise. The losses involved with a D-League franchise are probably pennies compared to the costs of an NBA franchise, likely on the par with other marketing spending and perhaps more effective.

Yup. A D-League team's basketball operations cost around $300k-400k per year, including salaries of players, coaches, and trainers (link (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ys-dleagueoption030509)). That's less than what an undrafted rookie free agent would make.

I don't really think that D-League teams are particularly effective as marketing tools. Well maybe they could be but so far they have trouble enough marketing themselves. It is however a cheap and effective tool for developing young projects (e.g. Lance) or other prospects you want to keep tabs on (say, Magnum Rolle last season). A D-League team could also serve as a pipeline for bringing up future role players and end of benchers who would hopefully have gained some familiarity with the main team's system.

Swish
07-07-2011, 02:41 PM
Seriously, though, the NBADL would work if the NBA instituted a rule that said you either A) go directly to the NBADL out of high school, or B) have to go some other route for two years (NCAA, Europe, whatever). Then, of course, you could assign players there like normal.

CableKC
07-07-2011, 03:12 PM
Do the Players in the NBADL fall under the NBA Players Union?

Peck
07-07-2011, 03:58 PM
Just because we fail to use the D-League properly does not mean that it is a failure. Our use of it (or lack there of) has been the failure.

able
07-07-2011, 04:15 PM
OK, one more time; I like the idea of the NBADL (i'm behind Peck in this case) HOWEVER

Under the circumstances; meaning the lockout, the cost of the NBADL team is like to be a few million (purchase; if i recall correct 4 mio or so) with a loss indeed of about 200-250 thousand

if that is acceptable, tell me where the comparison drops off, since 400 mio purchase for and NBA team is not supposed to lead to 25 million loss per year, i only added 2 zeroes.

And if you are already losing the latter, should you really be adding more losses to your portfolio?

BillS
07-07-2011, 04:21 PM
OK, one more time; I like the idea of the NBADL (i'm behind Peck in this case) HOWEVER

Under the circumstances; meaning the lockout, the cost of the NBADL team is like to be a few million (purchase; if i recall correct 4 mio or so) with a loss indeed of about 200-250 thousand

if that is acceptable, tell me where the comparison drops off, since 400 mio purchase for and NBA team is not supposed to lead to 25 million loss per year, i only added 2 zeroes.

And if you are already losing the latter, should you really be adding more losses to your portfolio?

I might understand wondering about the initial upfront expense, but the annual loss is less than a fraction of minimum salary for an undrafted rookie. Just because you are losing money doesn't mean you stop making an investment toward more income or perhaps being able to develop cheaper players for the future.

Swish
07-07-2011, 06:09 PM
Just because we fail to use the D-League properly does not mean that it is a failure. Our use of it (or lack there of) has been the failure.

Has there been a list of players that have made meaningful contributions to NBA teams that have started in the NBADL? I'm not saying there isn't, I just don't know of any (not that I'm an expert).

Peck
07-07-2011, 06:48 PM
Has there been a list of players that have made meaningful contributions to NBA teams that have started in the NBADL? I'm not saying there isn't, I just don't know of any (not that I'm an expert).

Well we can start with our very own Dahntey Jones, however I know there have been several who have made teams and played.

I am fairly confident that there has never been an all-star player come from the D-league yet though.

I know Anthony Johnson (former Pacer) had a very good career & he started out in the D league.

I really wish the NBA would get behind the league and get a relationship with them like MLB has with its minor league teams.

Robertmto
07-08-2011, 02:17 AM
Many former NBA draftees, waived players and undrafted players have played in the NBA D-League. Some of the called-up D-League players that went on to have successful NBA careers include Rafer Alston (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rafer_Alston), Louis Amundson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Amundson), Chris Andersen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Andersen), Kelenna Azubuike (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelenna_Azubuike), Matt Barnes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Barnes), Devin Brown (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devin_Brown), Will Bynum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_Bynum), Matt Carroll (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Carroll_%28basketball%29), Eddie Gill (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddie_Gill), Stephen Graham (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Graham_%28basketball%29), Jason Hart (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Hart_%28basketball%29), Chuck Hayes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Hayes), Anthony Johnson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Johnson_%28basketball%29), Dahntay Jones (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dahntay_Jones), Jamario Moon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamario_Moon), Mikki Moore (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikki_Moore), Smush Parker (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smush_Parker), Bobby Simmons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_Simmons), Ime Udoka (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ime_Udoka), Von Wafer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Von_Wafer), C. J. Watson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C._J._Watson), and Mike Wilks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Wilks_%28basketball%29).<sup id="cite_ref-gatorade_call-up_15-0" class="reference">[16] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_Development_League#cite_note-gatorade_call-up-15)</sup> Aside from these players, there are several successful NBA players who were assigned to the D-League in their first and second season, such as José Juan Barea (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_Juan_Barea), Brandon Bass (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandon_Bass), Andray Blatche (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andray_Blatche), Aaron Brooks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Brooks_%28basketball%29), Jordan Farmar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan_Farmar), Shannon Brown (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shannon_Brown), Marcin Gortat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcin_Gortat), Ramon Sessions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramon_Sessions) and Martell Webster (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martell_Webster).<sup id="cite_ref-roster0910_16-0" class="reference">[17] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_Development_League#cite_note-roster0910-16)

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imbtyler
07-08-2011, 03:11 AM
Many former NBA draftees, waived players and undrafted players have played in the NBA D-League. Some of the called-up D-League players that went on to have successful NBA careers include Rafer Alston (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rafer_Alston), Louis Amundson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Amundson), Chris Andersen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Andersen), Kelenna Azubuike (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelenna_Azubuike), Matt Barnes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Barnes), Devin Brown (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devin_Brown), Will Bynum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_Bynum), Matt Carroll (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Carroll_%28basketball%29), Eddie Gill (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddie_Gill), Stephen Graham (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Graham_%28basketball%29), Jason Hart (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Hart_%28basketball%29), Chuck Hayes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Hayes), Anthony Johnson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Johnson_%28basketball%29), Dahntay Jones (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dahntay_Jones), Jamario Moon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamario_Moon), Mikki Moore (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikki_Moore), Smush Parker (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smush_Parker), Bobby Simmons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_Simmons), Ime Udoka (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ime_Udoka), Von Wafer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Von_Wafer), C. J. Watson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C._J._Watson), and Mike Wilks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Wilks_%28basketball%29).<sup id="cite_ref-gatorade_call-up_15-0" class="reference">[16] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_Development_League#cite_note-gatorade_call-up-15)</sup> Aside from these players, there are several successful NBA players who were assigned to the D-League in their first and second season, such as José Juan Barea (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_Juan_Barea), Brandon Bass (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandon_Bass), Andray Blatche (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andray_Blatche), Aaron Brooks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Brooks_%28basketball%29), Jordan Farmar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan_Farmar), Shannon Brown (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shannon_Brown), Marcin Gortat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcin_Gortat), Ramon Sessions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramon_Sessions) and Martell Webster (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martell_Webster).<sup id="cite_ref-roster0910_16-0" class="reference">[17] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_Development_League#cite_note-roster0910-16)

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Out of the first group, I'd say there's some quality talent that probably benefited from the NBADL. However, the second group dwarfs the first, with JJ Barea, Jordan Farmar, and Shannon Brown having displayed their skills on championship teams.