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naptownmenace
07-05-2011, 11:10 AM
From Dimemag.com
http://dimemag.com/2011/07/sonny-weems-headed-to-europe-deron-williams-hires-an-agent/


Sonny Weems has decided to head overseas for this season, signing in Europe. The contract doesn’t include an opt-out so you won’t be seeing Weems back in the NBA until the fall of 2012 (if at all). We actually liked Weems a lot, and early last year, he was playing decently for Toronto. But by the end of the year, he was buried. The question is how many will follow?

From Probasketballtalk
http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/02/report-sonny-weems-is-headed-to-europe-as-the-floodgates-open/


Sonny Weems will be the first to say “screw it” and head overseas for the lockout. With Weems a restricted free agent, even after the Raptors extended a qualifying offer before Friday’s lockout was imposed, Weems was eligible to sign elsewhere, and has. Hoopsworld reports the young wing is on the verge of signing a one-year contract to play in Europe. The exact team is not known at this time.

Maybe more interesting than just the fact Weems signed overseas is that it’s a one-year contract with no NBA-out clause. So if the lockout magically gets resolved in the next four months, Weems would stay in Europe the entire season before returning in 2011-2012. A curious decision that could have been decided by the European club who likely had bargaining power over the star-power-less Weems, or by Weems himself, instead deciding to commit to one team for the entirety of the year versus trying to deal with anxiety over when to return if a lockout seemed to be ending but wasn’t officially.

It’s the start of what could be a trend, though reports are conflicted about whether players who are not free agents at the moment can play overseas. Draft Express’ Jonathan Givony reported yesterday that agents have informed him that they are confident they’ll be granted FIBA clearance to play overseas. Without that clearance they might be blocked, and the league will have a tricky time deciding how to approach the situation with FIBA. Attempting to block the players could result in a lawsuit and once one lawsuit enters the fray, it sets off a series in the lockout. Not blocking the attempts would give the players a financial lifeline, essentially killing the real power of the lockout. It’s definitely something to keep an eye on.

Weems is a RFA who received a Qualifying Offer from the Raptors. So it looks like players can play overseas even if they are under contract here in the states. If FIBA decides they aren't going to block NBA players from playing overseas, that's going to cut the legs out from under the NBA owners and weaken their bargaining position a little.

I wonder who else might consider playing overseas this summer to get paid during the lockout?

pacer4ever
07-05-2011, 11:10 AM
AK47 will go

Justin Tyme
07-05-2011, 11:26 AM
AK47 will go



There has been chatter that AK47 would do it for quite some time. AK47 is an UFA, and he can take his game anywhere he chooses. The same with any UFA which includes any of the 5 expired Pacers.

ballism
07-05-2011, 11:31 AM
WTB the details on Weems deal.
Euro guys returning with NBA-opt-out clauses is not surprising at all, in fact it would be surprising them to sit out the lockout.
Americans on the other hand, the deals they get are far more interesting. Especially when it's a deal with no opt-outs like this one.

This may end up the strongest Euroleague since early 2k0s when guys like Sabonis, Ginobili and Bodiroga were in Europe.

Shade
07-05-2011, 11:35 AM
Oh no...not Sonny Weems! However will the NBA survive?!?!

ballism
07-05-2011, 11:46 AM
Oh no...not Sonny Weems! However will the NBA survive?!?!

In terms of lockout, a Sonny Weems is more scary than a Kobe or LeBron.

The stars have money, they can be patient.
The mediocre to fringe guys on the other hand - they are the impatient part of NBAPA. The more Sonny Weems types get paid overseas, the easier it is for NBAPA to hold their ground --> the longer we wait for NBA.

naptownmenace
07-05-2011, 12:04 PM
In terms of lockout, a Sonny Weems is more scary than a Kobe or LeBron.

The stars have money, they can be patient.
The mediocre to fringe guys on the other hand - they are the impatient part of NBAPA. The more Sonny Weems types get paid overseas, the easier it is for NBAPA to hold their ground --> the longer we wait for NBA.

That's a good point. Sonny Weems isn't going to cause any major ripples himself but if other players, starters for playoff teams, decide to follow suit that could start making waves.

For example, if a player like Roy Hibbert decided he wanted to go play overseas until the lockout is resolved and he got clearance from USA Basketball and FIBA, that would really upset the Simons but they wouldn't really be able to do anything about it. However, that might make Mr. Simon become more willing to work out a deal so that he doesn't risk damage to one of his key players.

If the owners lose control, even if it's just to a small degree, that might make take some of the pressure off of the NBAPA and reduce the owners' bargaining power.

wintermute
07-05-2011, 12:40 PM
Unfortunately for the players, Europe isn't a great option any more.

That 3 year, $20m contract Josh Childress signed with Greek club Olympiakos a few years back? Well Olympiakos just lost their wealthy owners, who seem to have been struggling for a while thanks to the floundering Greek economy. Check this link, it's eye opening

http://www.talkbasket.net/5815-best-and-worst-paying-greek-clubs.html

But how about the rest of Europe? Here's Woj with more bad news

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski


Agents reaffirming lean Euro market for players. "What NBA guys will take $200K jobs now?" one says. "Most of 500K jobs are already taken."




You'll likely keep seeing an exodus of players like DaJuan Summers, who signed in Italy; fringe guys who were on way out of NBA anyway.


The bright side is that China is paying pretty well now, but even then probably not enough to tempt more than fringe NBA players.

DraftExpress Jonathan Givony


Even in China there are only a few jobs paying over a million per year. I think only two guys (Douby+J-Singleton) got that much last season.


The real money will probably come from exhibition games/barnstorming tours being organized by various agents, we'll see how those go.

Overall, I don't think that the overseas option will have a big impact on lockout talks. Helps relieve some pressure on players maybe, as ballism says.

DeS
07-05-2011, 12:52 PM
From what i've heard - most teams will not offer contracts which do not provide guaranties that player will stay in Europe (at least for this year) after lockout. Basicly this means that most players who have contracts in NBA will stay there.

Since86
07-05-2011, 01:03 PM
In terms of lockout, a Sonny Weems is more scary than a Kobe or LeBron.

The stars have money, they can be patient.
The mediocre to fringe guys on the other hand - they are the impatient part of NBAPA. The more Sonny Weems types get paid overseas, the easier it is for NBAPA to hold their ground --> the longer we wait for NBA.

I don't think so.

College basketball still gets huge ratings. For every Sonny Weems going to Europe, there are 15 waiting in the wings.

It's not like the NBA is at the bottom of the barrell on talent.

That's why I argue that even if the USA doesn't win world championships, we're still the #1 basketball country in the world.

Sure, the rest of the world is starting to produce more Dirk's/Pau's etc that can hang with the US in tournaments, but no other country in the world can match our depth.

The difference between our college stars and fringe NBA players (and even rotational NBA players) isn't some massive gap. Players like Kyle Singler are still pretty damn good basketball players.

So when a Sonny Weems goes away, a Kyle Singler steps in to replace him. There might be SOME drop-off, but not much. And certainly not enough to swing momentum towards the NBPA.

And besides, don't European teams have a rule about the number of foreign players they can have on their rosters? (US players being foreign to them)

As long as 4th-5th tier players are deflecting, the NBA can easily replace them.

Now if stars start going over, then there's a problem. People will pay $30 a night to watch stars surrounded by Kyle Singlers. They won't pay $30 for NBA teams to be lead by Kyle Singlers.

DeS
07-05-2011, 03:11 PM
Ha, Sonny Weems is going to Lithuania club team Kauno Žalgiris :) I knew Žalgiris had talks with Sonny, but i never considered it serious as Žalgiris is not one of the richest team. And as a fan of Žalgiris - i don't know if i should cry for joy or sorrow as i followed last year games of torronto raptors and i was not really impressed by him. He seemed to be kind of a chucker and not really a team player.
But... who konws...

P.S. Some people think that might be Torronto organization and Lith. clubs are kind of close and they landed Jonas Valančiūnas in exchange for Sonny Weems. That might be just a bad joke and coincidence, but for the fact our clubs and torronto agents and scouts collaborating closely.
P.P.S. Contract is made with a condition that Sonny can't back to NBA in the case lockout ends.

able
07-05-2011, 03:27 PM
if they put together a few teams to tour china and europe (easy to put together 8 or more teams and work it out) they will fill 20k seaters every night

O2 London, 21k seats, avg price for a ticket £ 200 and that was last year pre-season game with Lakers, year before Celtics, packed, sold out
2 games tor v nj same numbers, same results, and please dont tell me there was real star power involved in those games.

There is bundles to be made and they will stand a lot longer than 98

Trader Joe
07-05-2011, 03:34 PM
So who's the first NBA genius to go play in Europe or China, get injured, and then have his contract voided? That guy should get a cookie.

DeS
07-05-2011, 04:03 PM
So who's the first NBA genius to go play in Europe or China, get injured, and then have his contract voided? That guy should get a cookie.
Pretty much agree with it. Also Europe teams, on their behalf, do not want to build around the players who will leave by christmas or a bit later. So, NBA has tools to control the players therefore i'm saying that not many NBA players will join Europe clubs.

ballism
07-05-2011, 11:52 PM
I don't think so.

College basketball still gets huge ratings. For every Sonny Weems going to Europe, there are 15 waiting in the wings.

It's not like the NBA is at the bottom of the barrell on talent.

That's why I argue that even if the USA doesn't win world championships, we're still the #1 basketball country in the world.


my post was about player association votes, not talent.

DeS
07-06-2011, 08:54 AM
There are some details. Weems will get 1.4mln $ this season. More than half million more than in NBA. He will not be able to return to NBA this year though. Raptors coach (Weems will probably back to Raptors after the season) is happy Sonny will nots rest, but develope his game in a strong league.

ballism
07-06-2011, 09:10 AM
Man, that's a mighty nice contract. And considering it's not exactly coming from a rich club in a rich country, things might get very interesting when the rich Euro teams start building their rosters.

Since86
07-06-2011, 09:29 AM
my post was about player association votes, not talent.

I know, you've missed my point.

The NBPA doesn't get stronger by this. Even if 20 more Sonny Weems go to Europe, it won't change the direction of the CBA talks.

Sonny Weems leaving for Europe doesn't hurt the NBA, because he's easily replaced. That's my point.

wintermute
07-06-2011, 09:29 AM
Yup, 1m euro contract for Weems. Nice payday.

http://www.thestar.com/article/1020146--feschuk-idled-nbaers-look-for-ways-to-fill-their-time



Feschuk: Idled NBAers look for ways to fill their time
By Dave Feschuk 2011/07/05

Sonny Weems, the NBA swingman who played the past two seasons in Toronto, was waxing philosophical on Twitter the other day.

“Limitations live only in our minds,” went one of Weems’s posts, a motivational quote attributed to U.S. cyclist Jamie Paolinetti. “But if we use our imaginations, our possibilities become limitless.”

There’s a strong possibility that Weems, one of a handful of U.S.-based pro hoopsters conjuring profitable career choices in the midst of an NBA lockout, will spend the coming season playing in Europe. Sources say Weems is expected to sign a one-year deal to play with Lithuania’s BC Zalgiris in the coming days.

While Weems will have to make do without NBA-style luxuries such charter air travel and five-star hotels — European teams mostly fly commercial and sleep in the four-star accommodations provided by the host team — the signing will have its perks. He will receive the Euro-standard benefit of the use of a gratis apartment and automobile. And though the team and Weems are still putting the finishing touches on the deal, sources say it’s expected Weems will be paid an after-tax net salary approaching 1 million euros, or about $1.4 million (U.S.). That’s a relatively rich deal for a player who earned a pre-tax salary of about $854,389 (U.S.) in Toronto this past season.

Still, while Weems joins a trickle of players with NBA experience who are taking shelter from a labour storm on the other side of ocean — NBA veterans Nenad Krstic and Hilton Armstrong are bound for Russia and France, respectively — insiders say the July signings are far from a harbinger of an impending migration to the Euroleague.

“There’s limited opportunities in Europe,” said one source. “It’s going to be difficult for a lot of NBA players to find jobs in the price range they’ll want to be paid. . . . It’s not going to be a mass exodus.”

Still, earlier this week Krstic, the NBA free agent who was a starter for both the Boston Celtics and Oklahoma City Thunder last season, inked a two-year deal worth about $9.8 million U.S. to play with CSKA Moscow. But Krstic’s deal is expected to amount to a rare opportunity.

“I don’t think you will see a lot (of NBA players) coming (to Europe),” Krstic told the Boston Herald. “Europe is not in a great situation financially. There are only four or five teams now that can offer much to NBA players, and those teams right now are almost full. . . . That’s a problem for NBA players. It was a reason why I had to go right away. I got maybe the best contract in Europe because of that.”

For the West Memphis-raised Weems, moving to Kaunas, the second-largest city in Lithuania (population 321,200), will amount to both a cultural adjustment and a calculated gamble. While undrafted University of Pittsburgh player Gilbert Brown this week signed a deal with a German-league club that will allow Brown the option of returning to the United States when the NBA lockout ends, sources say Weems’s contract includes no such escape clause.

Weems, who turns 25 on Friday, could come to regret the deal should the NBA and its players association come to a quick agreement and begin the NBA season on time. But given the apparent gulf that lies between the sides, Weems is more likely to look like a prescient planner if, come the winter, NBA players remain without a collective bargaining agreement while he continues to hone his game overseas.

What does Weems’s change of address mean for the Raptors? It won’t alter his status as a restricted free agent in the NBA, meaning that whenever he makes his return to the league — and the plan, by all accounts, is for him to be back in the NBA in 2012-13 — the Raptors, who tendered him a qualifying offer last month, will retain the right to match any NBA offer he receives.

Though NBA clubs are currently barred from having contact with players, it’s safe to say the Toronto front office would be in favour of Weems playing in Europe; while the club is hardly sold on Weems as a long-term contributor to the cause, newly installed coach Dwane Casey is said to be intrigued by Weems’s potential as a defensive specialist with considerable scoring punch. Weems could raise his NBA stock if he shows the maturity required to thrive in Europe.

Certainly playing basketball in Lithuania beats, say, playing craps in Las Vegas. Should the lockout drag on, NBA players will need an outlet for their energies — not to mention a place to maintain their skill sets.

Kobe Bryant and his agent are reportedly in the early stages of assembling a group of NBAers to embark on a potentially lucrative tour of exhibition games in China; a similar idea is said to be in the hopper of the Wasserman Media Group, whose clients include Derrick Rose, Pau Gasol and Russell Westbrook.

The nascent National Basketball League of Canada is even attempting to capitalize on a potentially idle workforce, sending out a press release on Tuesday inviting locked-out NBAers to consider running with one of its franchises. And while some observers may see that prospect as a stretch — NBA players earn average salaries of about $6 million (U.S.) while the NBL recently announced a salary cap of $150,000 for each 10- to 12-man roster — perhaps the limits of the imagination will inspire players with NBA resumés to come north, even for a relative pittance.

As one NBA insider said: “There’s only so much you can do working out alone in a gym with pylons.”

ballism
07-06-2011, 09:37 AM
I know, you've missed my point.

The NBPA doesn't get stronger by this. Even if 20 more Sonny Weems go to Europe, it won't change the direction of the CBA talks.

Sonny Weems leaving for Europe doesn't hurt the NBA, because he's easily replaced. That's my point.

I agree, but he won't get replaced on NBAPA voters list till after CBA negotiations.

Lou Bega
07-06-2011, 10:11 AM
I heard an interview of Brian Scalabrine last night on 1070 AM, He was saying a veteran player like him [10 yrs] only has so much playing time left. He would go for the experience and to just be playing basketball.

It is a valid point.


The longer the lockout the lasts the smarter the George Hill trade looks for the Pacers.

BRushWithDeath
07-07-2011, 08:54 AM
There is a report out that Deron Williams is going to a Turkish team as well. A club called Besiktas is the one rumored to have the deal with him.

Obviously if true, this would be a far bigger deal than Sonny Weems.

ballism
07-07-2011, 09:09 AM
Saw it, but I doubt it's real. Even if Deron goes to Europe, he'd probably pick a Euroleague team.

pacer4ever
07-08-2011, 05:40 AM
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-wojnarowski_kobe_bryant_lockout_turkey_070711


Kobe and Dwill on the same team? Wow i hope so i will watch every game of theirs then. I watched the team last year when AI was on it. Wonder if NBA will televise all there games like they did with AI :laugh: