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neosmndrew
06-29-2011, 01:14 PM
Alright everyone. I'm that guy.

I've read a lot of recent threads, and yes, we are pinning a LOT on this guy getting to be at least an all-star. I want to hear people's honest opinion of where they honestly think this guy will go with his career.

I for one honestly believe he will be an all-star, albeit not a superstar. He his an above average defender already, which is want really impresses me, but he still is 2ish years away from developing his offensive game to averaging anyway from 18 to 20+ a game, which I think he CAN get to.

tikitomoka
06-29-2011, 01:20 PM
i truly believe he'll be TMac without the attitude. dude can play.

colts19
06-29-2011, 01:20 PM
I had my doubts when we drafted him. I was wrong. His defense could become elite and his shooting form is pure so his percent will improve.

Unclebuck
06-29-2011, 01:30 PM
Not sure about the household name part. And I don't care whether he does that or not, but yeah I think he'll be an allstar, but even that I don't really care about. I mean Danny's been an allstar. I think paul george can help us become an elite team and that I do care about.

aaronb
06-29-2011, 01:31 PM
A bigger Andre Iguodala.

Not a star. A solid rotational player and a starter on 20-25 teams.

A.B.Hollywood
06-29-2011, 01:35 PM
A bigger Andre Iguodala.

Not a star. A solid rotational player and a starter on 20-25 teams.

I think this is an excellent point although I think Iggy is a star. But thats in the eye of the beholder I suppose.

I see Paul George as an eventual 20ppg scorer (but efficient) while offering second team all defense type production on the other side. I also think he will be a stat stuffer type. couple threes, steals and even a block or so a game. Throw in ~4 assists or so and you have well... a bigger Iggy with a tad more offensive range.

Swish
06-29-2011, 01:37 PM
He won an MVP award in my NBA2K11 Association, so he has to be good, right?

mildlysane
06-29-2011, 01:39 PM
On a side note, I (am slow) just realized that we need to get a player named John Ringo. We would be the best ever. We would win 27 titles.

spazzxb
06-29-2011, 01:41 PM
He has the physical gifts to be a star, however he is a second year player and I believe its foolish to think you can make a judgement like this now.

ECKrueger
06-29-2011, 01:49 PM
He will do better than this,:

"He'll start but will not become an all-star and not over-impress anyone in the league"

but not as good as this:

"He will become an all star though still not a household name"

I think he will look much better, show flashes of being a superstar, but won't get there yet this year. I think he will certainly impress people, but I do not think he will be an all-star. That said, I had a hard time deciding what to vote for, but went with the first choice.

Speed
06-29-2011, 01:49 PM
What can't he do? Thats my question.

I can't think of anything.

He needs to shoot the 3 better, but thats almost the easiest thing to get better at for him, I think.

A.B.Hollywood
06-29-2011, 01:51 PM
What can't he do? Thats my question.

I can't think of anything.

He needs to shoot the 3 better, but thats almost the easiest thing to get better at for him, I think.

Dribble and shoot.

To be blunt. BUT... I think he will develop those like you said. But for now they are some pretty glaring holes IMO.

graphic-er
06-29-2011, 01:55 PM
When people say All-Star, do they mean actually being named to the All-Star team? Or just putting up All-Star caliber numbers. Like 20pts 7 rebs, 1.5 blks, 2 steals etc...

If its the former, I just don't see it ever happening, the pacers will have be perennial top 4 playoff seed for several years. Winning 50 games a year as well. Why do you think Reggie miller was the 2nd best guard in the East for much of his career and he was not a perennial all star just for the fact that he played in Indiana.

Trophy
06-29-2011, 01:55 PM
In the very least, he'll be like Rudy Gay, but will make an All-Star team.

graphic-er
06-29-2011, 02:08 PM
In the very least, he'll be like Rudy Gay, but will make an All-Star team.

I'd really like to know how anyone thinks this kid will make an all-star team even 6 years from now. You got Lebron, Wade, Carmelo, Stat, Jo Johnson. I'd say that any given year those guys will have the wing and forward positions pretty much locked up on an all star team, unless you see him becoming better than those players.

Speed
06-29-2011, 02:09 PM
Dribble and shoot.

To be blunt. BUT... I think he will develop those like you said. But for now they are some pretty glaring holes IMO.

Yes, he needs to tighten up everything for sure, especially those two things.

He does shoot really well, just not the 3, I can't remember where I saw it, but I think on his 2 point attempts he shot extremely well. The look of his shot doesn't change when shooting a 3, so its not a mechanical correction needed, he's quite effortless and consistent in his rhythm, form, and delivery. He just needs repetition from that range. Everything else is in place, lower body through follow through.

As for Handles, he makes the moves and does nifty things with the ball, he just can't strongly execute it. He makes the right decision with the bounce, he has the change of direction ability (back, left, right, and forward), he can split a Pick and roll opportunity. Its much like his shooting the foundation is there, he just needs repetition. I think of BRush and how he's scared with the ball, almost panics, dribbles high, can't adapt what he's going to do, as it happens. Thats stuff PG doesn't do. PG just can't quite execute what he knows he should do.

Really?
06-29-2011, 02:10 PM
Probably not an all star, just a good player but I think most will know who he is though. He will be one of those guys that a lot of teams want though... aka George Hill type player...

CableKC
06-29-2011, 02:10 PM
Where's the "He'll turn out to be like Granger, a 1 or 2 time All Star that would be considered a Borderline All-Star Player" option?

Speed
06-29-2011, 02:13 PM
PG shot 53.6 percent on two point shots only last year. I think thats good for a 2 guard, I don't have a reference point, though.

Its good for 57th in the league last year for all players, one spot behind Dirk, just ahead of Ty Lawson and Shawn Marion.

Josh was the only Pacer in front of him and he was 21st in the league at 57%.

speakout4
06-29-2011, 02:14 PM
I'd really like to know how anyone thinks this kid will make an all-star team even 6 years from now. You got Lebron, Wade, Carmelo, Stat, Jo Johnson. I'd say that any given year those guys will have the wing and forward positions pretty much locked up on an all star team, unless you see him becoming better than those players.
Six years from now those guys won't be making all star teams either.

Trophy
06-29-2011, 02:18 PM
I'd really like to know how anyone thinks this kid will make an all-star team even 6 years from now. You got Lebron, Wade, Carmelo, Stat, Jo Johnson. I'd say that any given year those guys will have the wing and forward positions pretty much locked up on an all star team, unless you see him becoming better than those players.

It's just a prediction remember?

Six years into the future is a very long time away. Half the wings that made it in the past are going to be retired by then.

I think he's going to be better than Danny at least and earn his spot on the All-Star roster.

Keep in mind guys are also going to slip and not be All-Stars like Paul Pierce, Ray Allen, and probably Joe Johnson who is beginning to slip a bit.

troyc11a
06-29-2011, 02:19 PM
Six years from now those guys won't be making all star teams either.

Lebron will be an allstar. Even if he doesnt deserve it

The Future
06-29-2011, 02:20 PM
i truly believe he'll be TMac without the attitude. dude can play.

T-Mac was a top 10 talent in NBA HISTORY when he was healthy...

Dude was awesome, I dont see George becoming him.

First of all, he doesnt have T-Mac's passing ability and vision. Furthermore, his handles are iffy compared to T-Mac's elite handles.

troyc11a
06-29-2011, 02:29 PM
T-Mac was a top 10 talent in NBA HISTORY when he was healthy...

Dude was awesome, I dont see George becoming him.

First of all, he doesnt have T-Mac's passing ability and vision. Furthermore, his handles are iffy compared to T-Mac's elite handles.

He can still become a better player than T-Mac because of his work ethic. Talent wise, T-Mac was at top 10 talent but not even a top 100 player (IMO).

johndozark
06-29-2011, 02:32 PM
I believe Paul George will do much better in his second year, partly due to experience, partly due to improved skills, and partly due to what I expect to be a consistent coaching plan for both offense and defense, a plan that will capitalize on his strengths.

If he indeed does much better, this will make a big difference in game outcomes.

I expect to see some continued improvement in his third and fourth years.

In terms of his value to the team, my impression is that he is a hard-working, team-building, morale booster. That may count for more than whether he is recognized as an all-star, although I think that he will be an all-star by his fourth year, maybe sooner.

Trader Joe
06-29-2011, 02:47 PM
I think unfortunately he's reached a point on these forums that if he ends up anything less than a star he'll be viewed as a failure...shame.

Unclebuck
06-29-2011, 02:53 PM
I think unfortunately he's reached a point on these forums that if he ends up anything less than a star he'll be viewed as a failure...shame.


I'll be thrilled if he ends up as good as Granger. I actually think he'll be better than Granger, but if he is as good, I'll be more than satisfied.

graphic-er
06-29-2011, 02:54 PM
I think unfortunately he's reached a point on these forums that if he ends up anything less than a star he'll be viewed as a failure...shame.

Aint that something though? Here is a player who before this year spent 2 seasons playing against Juggernauts of the WAC. Then one fateful night he has the future of an NBA franchise thrust upon his shoulders by its internet message board fans.

I just hope he becomes a very good defensive specialist. Anything more will leave me very surprised based on where we came from the positions he has played through out his pre-pro career.

Speed
06-29-2011, 02:55 PM
I think unfortunately he's reached a point on these forums that if he ends up anything less than a star he'll be viewed as a failure...shame.

Not for me, although, I think his floor is Larry Hughes, thats pretty darn good, but not star level by any means.

imbtyler
06-29-2011, 02:55 PM
Perennial All-Star, captain and superstar of the Pacers, and Defensive Player of the Year by 2015. He has the work ethic and potential to improve his court vision and handling. And if he works on his jump shot consistency, he can be our definite, immediate go-to scorer, especially in crunch time.

I know it's putting a lot of faith in one man's potential and work ethic, but if there's a player in the league that can do it, it's Paul George. I believe he can lead us to the Eastern Conference Finals in the next two years, and the NBA Finals in four.

George Hill
Eric Gordon/Lance Stephenson
Paul George
Perry Jones/JaJuan Johnson
Roy Hibbert/Greg Oden/DeAndre Jordan

Any combination of those players (disregarding likeliness) in a single starting lineup will have dominant results, even with the same bench we had last season. I really can't wait for next season.

ECKrueger
06-29-2011, 03:03 PM
I'd like to know what Mr_Smith is thinking.

McKeyFan
06-29-2011, 03:03 PM
I wonder if he can step up to the next level and be relied upon for solid scoring every night. That's a big step from a support player without big expectations.

On the other hand, I'd like to see our team be more like the Pistons of five years ago. Defensive minded, not one particular go to player, everyone kind of shares the load.

graphic-er
06-29-2011, 03:07 PM
On the other hand, I'd like to see our team be more like the Pistons of five years ago. Defensive minded, not one particular go to player, everyone kind of shares the load.

THIS! Yes we need a really good team with players who defend individually and as a unit. We are not going to out superstar Miami or New York anytime in the near future. I think this is why Bird wants to have the best bench in the league.

Trophy
06-29-2011, 03:11 PM
I think unfortunately he's reached a point on these forums that if he ends up anything less than a star he'll be viewed as a failure...shame.

I'd be extremely happy if Paul can become another Rudy Gay.

I think he'll at least be better than Danny and compares to Rudy.

Suaveness
06-29-2011, 03:31 PM
I'll be thrilled if he ends up as good as Granger. I actually think he'll be better than Granger, but if he is as good, I'll be more than satisfied.

How do you define better or as good? If he isn't better defensively, I'd be disappointed. I expect him to be better at some things offensively, but maybe not so much at others such ad 3 pt shooting.

Unclebuck
06-29-2011, 03:42 PM
How do you define better or as good? If he isn't better defensively, I'd be disappointed. I expect him to be better at some things offensively, but maybe not so much at others such ad 3 pt shooting.


Not sure. My post was vague on purpose as I was responding to Trader Joe's post in which he was suggesting that many of us had created expectations that were too high for Paul.

Pacerfan
06-29-2011, 04:04 PM
Becoming a full- fledged superstar is always unlikely for any player but if I had to choose a player that I feel could become one, it is Paul George. He's basically good at everything...and things that need to be improved upon are things that can be easily improved by him.

If you look at TMAC's stats you will see that he didn't break out till his 3rd or 4th year.
Now, I'll admit I didn't watch TMac when he first came to the NBA, but for those who did and remember, what did he look like that first year? I have an inkling that it might describe PG but without the nice defense. And unlike TMac, PG has that drive to get better and play defense.

One reason he might not become a superstar is because he's too unselfish sometimes. When PG's out there he's just trying to help the team win. He doesn't seem to care much for his stats as long as the team is winning. I like his unselfishness, but he has so much potential that I hope he becomes a little more selfish and looks for his shot more.

No one can deny we've seen glimpses of a guy that has the potential to become a star. Some of his moves out there just make me smile knowing that his and this franchise's future is bright. He definitely has that potential to be a superstar, but even if he doesn't become one, he will help this team win.

If Lance can keep his head on straight and develop, and PG keeps progressing like his first year then the Pacers could very well be sitting with a ring in a few years.

Hicks
06-29-2011, 04:16 PM
He has the physical talent. The foundation for the skills is there. He's intelligent. No signs of chemistry issues. He's a hard worker. And this is what he wants. It's all there for the taking with him.

If injuries and distractions don't get in the way, I think he'll get there.

Nothing is certain.

xIndyFan
06-29-2011, 04:26 PM
he has the basic talent to be the best pacer ever. so i will predict that. he has the whole package plus he has great size for the 2. just think how tough he will be when he learns to shoot over the collection of 6-3, 6-4 shooting guards in the NBA today. with guys that size guarding him, he should be able to just shoot over them.

:dance:

daschysta
06-29-2011, 04:38 PM
Becoming a full- fledged superstar is always unlikely for any player but if I had to choose a player that I feel could become one, it is Paul George. He's basically good at everything...and things that need to be improved upon are things that can be easily improved by him.

If you look at TMAC's stats you will see that he didn't break out till his 3rd or 4th year.
Now, I'll admit I didn't watch TMac when he first came to the NBA, but for those who did and remember, what did he look like that first year? I have an inkling that it might describe PG but without the nice defense. And unlike TMac, PG has that drive to get better and play defense.

One reason he might not become a superstar is because he's too unselfish sometimes. When PG's out there he's just trying to help the team win. He doesn't seem to care much for his stats as long as the team is winning. I like his unselfishness, but he has so much potential that I hope he becomes a little more selfish and looks for his shot more.

No one can deny we've seen glimpses of a guy that has the potential to become a star. Some of his moves out there just make me smile knowing that his and this franchise's future is bright. He definitely has that potential to be a superstar, but even if he doesn't become one, he will help this team win.

If Lance can keep his head on straight and develop, and PG keeps progressing like his first year then the Pacers could very well be sitting with a ring in a few years.

Tmac was actually a defensive specialist early on in his career in Toronto. He wasn't a big scorer until Orlando. Vince Carter was the Raptors offense back then, and like paul george tracies primary function was defensive specialist, despite having all of the tools to be great offensively eventually.

Now we should hope that PG isn't put into a position like TMAC in Orlando, and has his defense suffer due to focusing on scoring (much like Granger has actually), but the cases aren't unsimilar.

The poll is probably right imo. Playing on the Pacers it is difficult to be a house hold "name". The only reason Reggie was one was that he was very outgoing and his trash-talk was legendary... and that it happened in New York. Paul George is much more low key, and those kind of guys aren't internationally popular playing on a team like the Pacers, even if we're big winners.

Anything can happen, but Paul George has all of the Physical Talent to be a legit star, and he seems to have the work ethic and attitude to reach his physical potential. Those are the kind of guys that "make it" eventually and what separates him from the legion of other players who also have the talent, but not the work ethic and attitude that george has. We know he has shooting skilll, he just has to improve his range a bit, and work on ball handling and he should be golden.

Sookie
06-29-2011, 04:45 PM
My honest opinion. The guy has more talent then 99 percent of the players in the league. And he's intelligent and has a fantastic work ethic.

That's a recipe for superstar. His issue is, he's very very raw.

I'm typically one to not be impressed by potential. Paul George has a TON of it. And the reason I'm not wary, is as I said..good head on his shoulders, better work ethic. But that is the issue with asking this question. He could very easily end up as simply a defensive specialist, if he doesn't live up to his potential. But I'm thinking George lives up to his possibilities.

righteouscool
06-29-2011, 04:56 PM
I think Paul could eventually be better than Danny. Will he be on the Lebron/Wade level, who knows, but I could see him definitely being better than Danny. He has excellent height, athleticism, an incredible form on his jump shot, and GREAT defensive instincts.

One thing that I don't ever see attributed to George is his passing. I thought he was an excellent passer when he actually handled the ball.

The Future
06-29-2011, 05:08 PM
He can still become a better player than T-Mac because of his work ethic. Talent wise, T-Mac was at top 10 talent but not even a top 100 player (IMO).

They have some similarities.. Tmac came into the league as a defensive specialist and George is awesome defensively as well. T-Mac didnt develop his jumpshot till his 5th or 6th year in the league.

The thing I'm concerned, does George have good ball handling?

T-Mac was smooth handling the ball from his rookie season to now.

Pacerfan
06-29-2011, 05:12 PM
I think Paul could eventually be better than Danny. Will he be on the Lebron/Wade level, who knows, but I could see him definitely being better than Danny. He has excellent height, athleticism, an incredible form on his jump shot, and GREAT defensive instincts.

One thing that I don't ever see attributed to George is his passing. I thought he was an excellent passer when he actually handled the ball.


Agreed, his passing was terrific for this being his rookie year. He seemed to make the right pass at the right time. The best thing about him penetrating to the rim was that even though he didn't create a shot for himself, he often made the pass that led to an easy basket.

Pacer Fan
06-29-2011, 05:17 PM
I think it all depends on who is on or not on the team. What position he plays and what the coach wants out of him and the rest of the team.

Can't answer your loaded pole question honestly.

Pacerfan
06-29-2011, 05:25 PM
Old article but I thought it applied.

http://www.slamonline.com/online/the-magazine/features/2010/10/prince-paul/

:)

pacer4ever
06-29-2011, 05:29 PM
Old article but I thought it applied.

http://www.slamonline.com/online/the-magazine/features/2010/10/prince-paul/

:)

I still have this issue I had him sign it pre game last year. I also had Dwight Howard sign the cover. I couldn't believe he signed but he did.

Brad8888
06-29-2011, 06:14 PM
Lebron will be an allstar. Even if he doesnt deserve it

If he "Decides" to.

BBQ
06-29-2011, 06:45 PM
My opinion didn't fit well in the options provided. I think Paul will be a quality starter in this league who is competent on both sides of the court and can excel on both sides of the court. I think he'll have some All Star seasons, perhaps not every year though because there are a lot of wings in the East that are locks to be all stars. James, Wade, Melo, etc...

The Jackson shimmy
06-29-2011, 07:38 PM
Somewhere between 3 and 4.

Frostwolf
06-29-2011, 08:24 PM
The thing I'm concerned, does George have good ball handling?

his handles show nice potential (he has a nice few moves), but they are still very raw. nowhere near as smooth as t-mac's. they're still a bit shaky and "loose" and a bit high. but that can be improved upon.

im just worried, like joe said, that he's being hyped up too much on this board. it's going to take some time. for example, it's very unlikely he's going to be able to take on granger's scoring role next season, like some people have been insinuating recently.

pacer4ever
06-29-2011, 08:29 PM
My opinion didn't fit well in the options provided. I think Paul will be a quality starter in this league who is competent on both sides of the court and can excel on both sides of the court. I think he'll have some All Star seasons, perhaps not every year though because there are a lot of wings in the East that are locks to be all stars. James, Wade, Melo, etc...

When i hear all star i assume it means all star level. I mean Lamacus Aldrich was an all-star level player last season and he didnt get selected.

xBulletproof
06-29-2011, 08:30 PM
I would be happy if Paul George eclipses 12 points per game next year honestly. Should be doable.

MagicRat
06-29-2011, 08:52 PM
I think it all depends on if he can get anybody to cook for him. Dude's going to waste away to nothing otherwise.

Pacerfan
06-29-2011, 08:56 PM
I think it all depends on if he can get anybody to cook for him. Dude's going to waste away to nothing otherwise.

Haha, he was asking on twitter yest. for someone to cook something for him bc he can't cook. I think he should invest in a cook lol.

Ownagedood
06-29-2011, 10:12 PM
I would say he will be an All star for sure.......

I also am gonna say he will be a household name.. For the fact that already, in his rookie season, he is already relatively known. He drew a lot of people's interest when he started guarding Rose and did so pretty successfully in the playoffs. Obviously he isn't anywhere near a household name currently, thats not what im saying. But talking about the near future, with what he has done at this young a age, in his rookie season. He will be a household name. He's gonna be better than Granger and i would say anyone that watches basketball knows who Granger is.

The Jackson shimmy
06-29-2011, 10:28 PM
He'll end up being a fantastic.....Robin.

So, who'll be his superior sidekick, Batman ?

Isn't it obvious ? It'll be none other than future NBA-HOF lock, good
old Lance.

Note: Yes, that's 'green'; the brightest, most vivid shade of green
that you can imagine !

crunk-juice
06-30-2011, 05:53 AM
can someone explain why everyone on this forum seemingly thinks he has the potential to be the best player evar? i mean where does it come from?

Unclebuck
06-30-2011, 11:04 AM
can someone explain why everyone on this forum seemingly thinks he has the potential to be the best player evar? i mean where does it come from?


Who believes that or anything close to that. Best player ever?

Ownagedood
06-30-2011, 11:28 AM
I think a lot of people think highly of him.. But i think when we say he will be a star or something along those lines, we really just mean he will be a very good player. Not a superstar like Wade, Bron. I think when we say he will be awesome and will be a known all star people are putting too much stock into that meaning everyone in the world will know him and worship him as an amazing player. That is what he will not be.

There is a huge difference between an All-Star and a Superstar. George will be an All-Star.

aaronb
06-30-2011, 11:45 AM
He'll end up being a fantastic.....Robin.

So, who'll be his superior sidekick, Batman ?

Isn't it obvious ? It'll be none other than future NBA-HOF lock, good
old Lance.

Note: Yes, that's 'green'; the brightest, most vivid shade of green
that you can imagine !


We are going to resign Magnum Rolle!!!

The Rolle, Lance, George "Big 3" is going to lead us to the promised lands!!!!

aaronb
06-30-2011, 11:47 AM
In the very least, he'll be like Rudy Gay, but will make an All-Star team.


At the very least?


Rudy Gay is quite a bit better than ANYONE on this Pacers squad.

Trader Joe
06-30-2011, 11:47 AM
Magnum Rolle: Twitter MVP

SkipperZ
06-30-2011, 11:59 AM
I very rarely get excited about players... But the sky 's the limit for pg... Full fledged star is doable if pg puts in the effort and is lucky with injuries...

Not at the level of a Durant or kobe, but definitely the level right under...

yoadknux
06-30-2011, 12:42 PM
At the very least?


Rudy Gay is quite a bit better than ANYONE on this Pacers squad.
Yeah, if George turns into Gay we should be happy. Though I think over the last 3 years Granger was a better player. I still think Gay is going to make a leap though.

neosmndrew
06-30-2011, 02:06 PM
I really wouldn't say Rudy Gay is better than Granger... you basically trade 4-5 PPG for better defense. How much better D is hard to say, mainly because I rarely watch Gay play (that sounds cruelly silly). Gay was also often the only shooter on the floor with Memphis. I'd say its a push. Though he is definitely the kind of player PG can turn into, or even better.

Sookie
06-30-2011, 02:12 PM
I really wouldn't say Rudy Gay is better than Granger... you basically trade 4-5 PPG for better defense. How much better D is hard to say, mainly because I rarely watch Gay play (that sounds cruelly silly). Gay was also often the only shooter on the floor with Memphis. I'd say its a push. Though he is definitely the kind of player PG can turn into, or even better.

It was essentially two points more per game. And Rudy's got him beat every where else. IMO, Rudy made a big jump last season, but he was quite a bit better than Granger.

pacer4ever
07-01-2011, 03:00 AM
Haha, he was asking on twitter yest. for someone to cook something for him bc he can't cook. I think he should invest in a cook lol.

No joke look what it did for Kevin Loves game. (his cook was on day in the life on NBA TV with him)

crunk-juice
07-01-2011, 04:53 AM
Who believes that or anything close to that. Best player ever?

i thought saying "evar" would make it obvious that i was exaggerating/mocking

mattie
07-07-2011, 04:07 AM
My thoughts on PG is as follows:

First, I have very high expectations for him. I feel like we should treat him as if we had gotten a top 3 pick in the draft. Not to say if he doesn't provide the best we should get disappointed because that's ridiculous. All I'm saying is the guy has all the talent in the world. He truly does. So I'm going to hope for the best, and honestly sort of expect that he produces. However if he does not produce what I truly think he's capable of, then it is what it is.

I mean not every prospect turns out as they should, and as long as PG is able to contribute a winning effort, meaning even if he isn't as good as I think he should be, he still produces hard nose ball that finds a place on a winning team, I'll be happy.

With that said, I think there is nothing wrong with have some sort of expectations. The guy has a ton of talent. Period. I think he's the most talented Pacer except for maybe Bender. The dude can ball. Doesn't mean I'll be disappointed if he doesn't produce. Just means I think there is nothing wrong with recognizing his talent. PG can shoot. He's ridiculously long. We've all seen him literally jump over Roy and throw it down. he has all the moves to get to the basket and score. He can defend the MVP of the league. He has a **** ton of talent plain and simple. I expect him to become good. But I won't be disappointed if he doesn't. We've seen a ton of talent over the years never produce to their potential. It's tough to be that guy. I won't hate or even be disappointed if PG isn't that guy. But I do expect to see it.

Edit - I've always felt it was unfair to call a player a failure if he didn't live up to his "potential." There is a lot that goes into playing basketball, and some guys can't achieve it. I think the only time a player has deserved the criticism of failing is Vince Carter. I'll continue to say Vince Carter, because the dude is literally the most talented player I've ever seen. I think if Vince Carter had MJ or Kobe's head, he would have made LBJ cry. I don't forgive VC so to speak because he figured out at one point what it took to dominate and he just faded a way. He didn't care. He was Brandon Rush only he had talent that Wilt dreamed of.

Speed
07-07-2011, 08:03 AM
Any ESPN insiders want to post the 'Most promising Sophomores' article, should be Paul George mention, I'd guess.

Located here, but I can't see it.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/insider/news/story?id=6742324&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnba %2finsider%2fnews%2fstory%3fid%3d6742324

ensergio
07-07-2011, 11:23 AM
Bump.