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They're Not Here To Screw Around (Golden State's new owners)

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    They're Not Here To Screw Around (Golden State's new owners)

    http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2011/0...-screw-around/



    OAKLAND – The latest was announcing Tuesday they had purchased control of basketball operations of the NBA Development League team in Bismarck, N.D., which came after they spent $2 million during the draft to acquire the second-round pick that became Jeremy Tyler, which came after foiled attempts to spend $3 million to get an additional first-rounder, which came after all the spending of the previous months. Paying David Lee some $80 million to come, paying Don Nelson another $6 million to stay away, giving up an unknown ownership share to get Jerry West to join the front office, and – oh, yeah – heading the group that paid a league-record $450 million to get the Warriors in the first place.

    Joe Lacob and Peter Guber promised a serious financial commitment upon taking control last November, and they have delivered. In a time of economic hardship for many around them, the Warriors have signed huge contracts, fired a high-paid coach with a year left on his contract, handed over a portion of the team to land West, and made a bold strike in the draft. All in less than a year, with the understanding that Lacob and Guber were far enough along in buying the franchise last summer that they probably could have scuttled the Lee sign-and-trade that officially went down on the watch of predecessor Chris Cohan.

    Golden State was in such buyer’s mode Thursday that the $2 million sent to the Bobcats for Tyler as the No. 39 pick was actually the fallback. The Warriors, Lacob said, had tried to get another pick in the second half of the first round, likely at the going-rate cost of $3 million, which would have meant a second guaranteed contract after drafting Klay Thompson at 11. Nothing materialized, Lacob told NBA.com, because potential trade partners wanted players in return, not money.

    “We would have done that as well if we felt that we could get a player wanted,” Lacob said of spending the $3 million. “Look, we’re not here to screw around. We’re here to make this team better, any way we can, whether it be the new medical doctors, training staff, coaching staff, general manager, Jerry West, dollars, players. We’re going to get there and we’re not going to stop. I’ve tried to say this over and over and over again, and people are going to start to see it here. We are going to do everything possible to give ourselves every chance to contend.”

    A fan base that has been passionate and patient to an extreme, ranking among the league leaders in attendance despite a history as lottery regulars, deserves nothing less. And the Warriors faithful would have embraced Lacob and Guber no matter what, simply as a change from the unpopular Cohan. But now that the new owners have followed through on promises, and have a relationship with backers in a way the disconnected Cohan did not enjoy, Lacob and Guber are standing out as more than just a contrast from the past.

    (It is worth noting that, for all the verbal abuse he took, spending was hardly a primary Cohan problem. If anything, he overpaid for Adonal Foyle, Derek Fisher, Mike Dunleavy, Stephen Jackson and Troy Murphy in deals negotiated y since-departed executives Chris Mullin and Robert Rowell. Cohan also took on Nelson as one of the highest-paid coaches in the league despite previous bad blood.)

    Besides, Tyler is a sensible investment. An expensive one given how many players become something after lasting into the second round, but understandable. The Warriors need help at center and Tyler is 6-feet-10 and has enough potential that some teams were looking at him in the 20s and even as high as the late-teens. No one would be surprised if he eventually develops into part of the rotation. That’s when the $2-million price tag, beyond the contract, would be more than just the statement of the moment.

    These guys sound like owners who are seriously committed to giving their fanbase, an EXTREMELY loyal fanbase, the product that they deserve. I might have to root for Golden State out west once the next season rolls around.

    Here's a video of their rookies being introduced to the media. I really think the purchase of the Jeremy Tyler pick is going to prove to be one of the smartest moves in this year's draft. By all accounts, he's matured quite a bit in his time overseas and from the video you can kind of see that he's appreciative of his spot more so now than he would have been 2 years ago.



    Also, I could be way off base because I don't know much about the kid, but Klay Thompson seems like a bit of a jerk during that interview.
    Last edited by SMosley21; 06-28-2011, 07:01 PM.
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    Re: They're Not Here To Screw Around (Golden State's new owners)

    That's really stupid considering the name is WIZARDS!

    The Wizards should've bought them.

    The Warriors need to change the name ASAP.
    In 49 states it's just basketball, but this is Indiana!

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      Re: They're Not Here To Screw Around (Golden State's new owners)

      Originally posted by Scot Pollard View Post
      That's really stupid considering the name is WIZARDS!

      The Wizards should've bought them.

      The Warriors need to change the name ASAP.
      Uhhh, ok. I'm pretty sure the name had about as much to do with their purchase as the team colors.

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        Re: They're Not Here To Screw Around (Golden State's new owners)

        Originally posted by SMosley21 View Post
        Uhhh, ok. I'm pretty sure the name had about as much to do with their purchase as the team colors.
        Wait what?

        Are we talking about the Warriors ownership buying the Dakota Wizards of the D-League?
        In 49 states it's just basketball, but this is Indiana!

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          Re: They're Not Here To Screw Around (Golden State's new owners)

          http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap...ern_California

          The Golden State Warriors, led by Co-Executive Chairmen Joe Lacob and Peter Guber, have purchased the Dakota Wizards franchise in the NBA Development League from Bismarck Professional Basketball LLC, it was announced today at a press conference in Bismarck, North Dakota.

          The Warriors will become the fourth NBA team to currently own and operate their own NBA D-League affiliate, joining San Antonio, Oklahoma City and the Los Angeles Lakers.

          The Wizards will remain in Bismarck during the 2011-12 D-League season – the franchise’s 17th in North Dakota – and the club will explore options of a potential move to Northern California the following season.

          “We’re really excited about the opportunity to acquire an NBA D-League team and view it as a proactive decision,” said Lacob. “As we have previously mentioned, one of our goals is to provide our organization with any elements that we think could provide us an advantage. The fact that we will now operate our own D-League team – complete with our coaches and organizational philosophy – will put us in a better position to evaluate and develop potential NBA players, including any of our first or second year players who may spend a stint in the D-League. We think this is a critical step and another plus for our organization. And, we could not have found a more qualified candidate than Jim Weyermann to oversee the team from an operations standpoint.”
          The last paragraph seems like an approach that could pay big dividends. The Warriors have been one of the teams to really strike gold (Anthony Morrow, Reggie Williams, Chris Hunter, Anthony Tolliver) through the D-League the past few seasons, so operating their own D-League franchise could prove to be even more beneficial.

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            Re: They're Not Here To Screw Around (Golden State's new owners)

            Originally posted by SMosley21 View Post
            http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap...ern_California



            The last paragraph seems like an approach that could pay big dividends. The Warriors have been one of the teams to really strike gold (Anthony Morrow, Reggie Williams, Chris Hunter, Anthony Tolliver) through the D-League the past few seasons, so operating their own D-League franchise could prove to be even more beneficial.
            I like what Lacob has done of late, bringing in guys like West and Bob Myers and FINALLY getting rid of that stooge Robert Rowell. That guy was an organizational cancer in every way. He shouldn't have been kept around as a popcorn vendor, much less Team President.

            That being said, I think the D-League purchase is kind of a waste of resources. You're spending millions upon millions to keep afloat an entity so that every so often you're able to find a role player like Anthony Morrow or Reggie Williams. In the end, I just don't think that's really worht it. I don't know if that's a good enough return on investment for me to want to operate that. Not just for the Warriors, but pretty much the entire NBA. Most guys are either good enough or they aren't to cut it.

            I'd rather Lacob just make more moves like spending $2M to take a flyer on guys like Jeremy Tyler. I think that's a better use of resources. But it's his money and not mine. As long as he's got enough of his own money and he can use it when needed to help the team win, then that's fine with me.

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              Re: They're Not Here To Screw Around (Golden State's new owners)

              I'm Gonna Make A Change,
              For Once In My Life
              It's Gonna Feel Real Good,
              Gonna Make A Difference
              Gonna Make It Right . . .

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                Re: They're Not Here To Screw Around (Golden State's new owners)

                The new ownership is making a lot of great moves. I am glad I am here to see it. They plan on using the Minor League baseball model with the this Dakota team, and are also in the process of trying to move the team to Northern California in the future. I like the move! San Jose might be a good spot?
                Avatar photo credit: Bahram Mark Sobhani - AP

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                  Re: They're Not Here To Screw Around (Golden State's new owners)

                  The Warriors love the D-League and always seem to find decent young players.

                  Their best find, I think is Reggie Williams. That guy is a deadly scorer.

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                    Re: They're Not Here To Screw Around (Golden State's new owners)

                    Originally posted by odeez View Post
                    They plan on using the Minor League baseball model with the this Dakota team
                    Sounds like a good model to emulate, but the reality is much different. The minor league baseball system is actually viable in terms of developing talent. Talent in the minors eventually gets developed and farmed out to the big clubs.

                    I just know that there have been millions upon millions invested into the league so we can see guys like Anthony Tolliver eventually become a decent bench player. I just don't think the D League is really worth it's cost.

                    In the NBA guys pretty much either have the talent they don't. Even an undrafted guy like Wesley Matthews bypassed the D League entirely and just made the roster after the end of training camp.

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                      Re: They're Not Here To Screw Around (Golden State's new owners)

                      Originally posted by d_c View Post
                      I just know that there have been millions upon millions invested into the league so we can see guys like Anthony Tolliver eventually become a decent bench player. I just don't think the D League is really worth it's cost.
                      I don't know about "millions upon millions". A D-League team's basketball operations cost around $300k-400k per year, including salaries of players, coaches, and trainers. Link here. There's also the cost of the team itself, but I doubt very much that it would exceed $1m. The Dakota Wizards probably cost Lacob considerably less than Jeremy Tyler's $2m price tag.

                      If I were you, I'd be encouraged by the fact that the only other teams to own their own D-League teams are the Spurs, the Thunder, and the Lakers. That's pretty good company for the Warriors to be keeping.

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                        Re: They're Not Here To Screw Around (Golden State's new owners)

                        Interestingly, the Pacers might have interest in the D-League too (finally!). This rumor came out about a month ago courtesy of Ridiculous Upside.

                        http://www.ridiculousupside.com/2011...tion-nba-teams

                        According to two league sources, both the Cleveland Cavaliers and Indiana Pacers have seriously looked into buying into the D-League while the New York Knicks are also still being batted around as a team that is interested in signing on with a D-League squad (something that's been rumored for years).

                        As far as the Pacers are concerned, two people contacted on Wednesday told Ridiculous Upside that Indiana has contacted at least one D-League team about interest with the idea being to begin a hybrid affiliation. This is quite surprising considering Indiana's previous usage of the D-League (read: none aside from the hiring of Vitaly Potapenko following his one season with the Fort Wayne Mad Ants as the second assistant), but if they were able to instill their own coaching staff, I can see why the Pacers would find it as a low-cost opportunity to develop this year's NBA Draft picks along with Lance Stephenson and any other young players that join the team for next season.
                        Obviously nothing's happened since then, but maybe they're just waiting to see how the lockout shakes out.

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                        • #13
                          Re: They're Not Here To Screw Around (Golden State's new owners)

                          I wouldn't be surprised if we purchased the Reno Bighorns because Herb Simon's son Steve owns them partially.

                          I also wouldn't be surprised if Steve one day became the Pacers owner.

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                            Re: They're Not Here To Screw Around (Golden State's new owners)

                            Originally posted by Trophy View Post
                            The Warriors love the D-League and always seem to find decent young players.

                            Their best find, I think is Reggie Williams. That guy is a deadly scorer.
                            A little known fact.....Reggie Williams was the leading NCAA scorer in the 2006-2007 and 2007-2008.

                            If the FO is looking for a SG that can score and they strike out on any top tier FA SG.....I'd easily consider adding Reggie Williams as "Plan B".

                            I'm hoping that they relocate the DLeague Team to San Jose.
                            Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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                              Re: They're Not Here To Screw Around (Golden State's new owners)

                              The Spurs use their D-League team in Austin pretty regularly. When their #1 pick Anderson got hurt last year they sent him down to get actually playing time instead of just riding the pine. They also rotate the last couple guys on the bench through there as well.

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