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The Future
06-25-2011, 01:06 AM
Brunner writes that Collison, Hill, and Paul George's minutes are safe, and that Lance Stephenson's profile is set to rise. Players whose minutes he identifies to be cut included Mike Dunleavy, Dahntay Jones, Brandon Rush, and A.J. Price. By the looks of things the Pacers view the former group as interchangeable backcourt parts, and a big factor in their use will be whether or not Danny Granger lines up at PF.


Source:

http://www.nba.com/pacers/news/blog_brunner.html

vnzla81
06-25-2011, 01:10 AM
Mike Dunleavy minutes? Huh?

pacer4ever
06-25-2011, 01:17 AM
this article is already posted but Dunleavy=gone Rush=gone and Dantay=specialist or gone if anyone takes him

Peck
06-25-2011, 01:21 AM
At this point in time I really hope they don't plan on bringing Dunleavy back. He just does not fit what we are trying to do & I do not want him taking min. from players who I think should be getting min. now.

Mike had a good year but to me the playoffs really exposed him & the weaknesses he has (several other players for that matter) but at this point in time he is redundant.

Also I do NOT want to see Danny line up at the four other than rare occasions.

Let us commit ourselves to smash mouth basketball.

No small ball ever again. Ok, not ever but in very rare occasions.

Sandman21
06-25-2011, 01:27 AM
At this point in time I really hope they don't plan on bringing Dunleavy back. He just does not fit what we are trying to do & I do not want him taking min. from players who I think should be getting min. now.
Oh dear, I believe you've confused our current coach to be with the one who shall not be named. We don't give mediocre vets major minutes over younger up and coming talent anymore. Just ask James Posey.:happydanc

graphic-er
06-25-2011, 01:39 AM
Please dont' tell me we are resigning Dunleavy.....what a terrible mistake that would be. We can get a spot up jumper shooter through undrafted FA.

BringJackBack
06-25-2011, 01:42 AM
I thought during that ST holder breakfast that Denari & Clark confirmed that Dunleavy will not be back?

imawhat
06-25-2011, 04:01 AM
I doubt Bruno has any insight on what our coaches will want to do with our new rotation. I'm not sure what the purpose of this article is.

LeeTheG7
06-25-2011, 05:32 AM
I don't know if Bruno goes and watches the practice or decides anything. The battle between George Hill and Collison for the main role will make both players push themselves. If I had to guess the line up would be Hill, George, Granger, Who knows at PF you tell me, Hibbert. I think that is a fairly good defensive line up.

Roaming Gnome
06-25-2011, 07:30 AM
I doubt Bruno has any insight on what our coaches will want to do with our new rotation. I'm not sure what the purpose of this article is.

On top of that.... Why even bring up guys that are not even signed to play here?

Even for fluff, this was a **** poor effort... :shakehead :unimpress

kellogg
06-25-2011, 08:45 AM
At this point in time I really hope they don't plan on bringing Dunleavy back. He just does not fit what we are trying to do & I do not want him taking min. from players who I think should be getting min. now.

Mike had a good year but to me the playoffs really exposed him


Agree. I still remember the home game against Miami. Coach put Dun on D-Wade and he drove around him like he was standing still. Wasn't until he put PG on him that the bleeding stopped.

Not that I didn't know it before, but Dun cannot play D...can't defend against 2s or 3s, not big enough vs 4s...just gets abused.

xIndyFan
06-25-2011, 08:58 AM
On top of that.... Why even bring up guys that are not even signed to play here?

Even for fluff, this was a **** poor effort... :shakehead :unimpress

this seems more of an effort to sooth ruffled feathers on DC's part than to be informative.

vnzla81
06-25-2011, 10:29 AM
At this point in time I really hope they don't plan on bringing Dunleavy back. He just does not fit what we are trying to do & I do not want him taking min. from players who I think should be getting min. now.

Mike had a good year but to me the playoffs really exposed him & the weaknesses he has (several other players for that matter) but at this point in time he is redundant.

Also I do NOT want to see Danny line up at the four other than rare occasions.

Let us commit ourselves to smash mouth basketball.

No small ball ever again. Ok, not ever but in very rare occasions.

I remember when I predicted that Mike Dunleavy was going to suck a$$ in the playoffs and almost everybody here called me a hater, telling me that we needed his high basketball IQ and his shooting, I guess I was right after all :cool: I'm still waiting for some apologies :flirt:

sportfireman
06-25-2011, 10:42 AM
I remember when I predicted that Mike Dunleavy was going to suck a$$ in the playoffs and almost everybody here called me a hater, telling me that we needed his high basketball IQ and his shooting, I guess I was right after all :cool: I'm still waiting for some apologies :flirt:

I'm not apologizing because I too don't like Dun.. never have, never will. Even when he and Danny were putting up similar number. PLEASE DON'T RESIGN DUN!! I don't care if he plays for free, I don't like him.

Trophy
06-25-2011, 11:33 AM
If Mike Dunleavy is on this list, I can't take it seriously.

I clearly doubt he's returning.

SMosley21
06-25-2011, 11:35 AM
Mike Dunleavy served a purpose here for some years but it's definitely time he moved on. I'll always have my autographed jersey and game-worn shoe though, lol.

Pacergeek
06-25-2011, 11:52 AM
if the price is right, i wouldn't mind if Dunleavy came back. In a reserve role, you could do much worse.

McKeyFan
06-25-2011, 12:02 PM
I'd like to see Collison moved for a better piece.

Between Hill and Lance we have two possibilities of a great point guard. If neither quite works, A.J. is a solid back up.

Moving Collison eliminates a bottle up at the spot and he can help us get a quality pf if paired with another good player. AJ can't, and he costs less.

Hicks
06-25-2011, 12:03 PM
this seems more of an effort to sooth ruffled feathers on DC's part than to be informative.

I think this is way off. It's not like the Pacers would say to themselves, "Hmm, DC might be really upset we just traded for a talented player who can see time at the point, we better have Conrad Brunner right a fluffy article on Pacers.com for him to read." That's just wacky AFAIC.

Justin Tyme
06-25-2011, 12:04 PM
Also I do NOT want to see Danny line up at the four other than rare occasions.

Let us commit ourselves to smash mouth basketball.

No small ball ever again. Ok, not ever but in very rare occasions.


Thank you thank you. Wisdom at it's finest.

I cringe everytime I hear Granger at PF. That's a recipe for injury. Just ask Gerald Wallace.

Trophy
06-25-2011, 12:06 PM
Mike Dunleavy served a purpose here for some years but it's definitely time he moved on. I'll always have my autographed jersey and game-worn shoe though, lol.

I still have my Troy Murphy game-worn shoes and game-worn shooting shirt displayed. :D

For the sake of winning/the Pacers success, I'm glad he's not here anymore.

Justin Tyme
06-25-2011, 12:07 PM
Please dont' tell me we are resigning Dunleavy.....what a terrible mistake that would be. We can get a spot up jumper shooter through undrafted FA.


Or trade any of the following for one Rush, Price, Dahntay, or the S&T of McBob.

imawhat
06-25-2011, 12:46 PM
I think this is way off. It's not like the Pacers would say to themselves, "Hmm, DC might be really upset we just traded for a talented player who can see time at the point, we better have Conrad Brunner right a fluffy article on Pacers.com for him to read." That's just wacky AFAIC.

Of course it's highly unlikely as the reasoning behind the article, but it sure reads like a public reassurance letter to Darren Collison.

LA_Confidential
06-25-2011, 02:02 PM
DC doesnt need re assurance, he's the starting point guard, period.
Lance and G3 (my George Hill nickname) are good options as backup 1 or 2.
I envision Lance as a facilitator and I see G3 as a scorer/Jason Terry type off the bench. Either can play with DC or PG at any given moment.

Hicks
06-25-2011, 03:13 PM
Of course it's highly unlikely as the reasoning behind the article, but it sure reads like a public reassurance letter to Darren Collison.

He doesn't need it. When Wells went to him for comment after the trade he said the right things, everything we know about him thus far suggests he's a good, smart, team player kind of guy, and what's more Hill is more of a 2 anyway, and he's probably going to end up backing up both spots, not starting at either one. I feel like people just want to think there's controversy, so they're acting like there is controversy. Without more inside information, I'm seriously doubting it.

Eleazar
06-25-2011, 04:52 PM
He doesn't need it. When Wells went to him for comment after the trade he said the right things, everything we know about him thus far suggests he's a good, smart, team player kind of guy, and what's more Hill is more of a 2 anyway, and he's probably going to end up backing up both spots, not starting at either one. I feel like people just want to think there's controversy, so they're acting like there is controversy. Without more inside information, I'm seriously doubting it.

Exactly, this article is for the fans not the players.

Rogco
06-25-2011, 05:06 PM
At this point in time I really hope they don't plan on bringing Dunleavy back. He just does not fit what we are trying to do & I do not want him taking min. from players who I think should be getting min. now.

Mike had a good year but to me the playoffs really exposed him & the weaknesses he has (several other players for that matter) but at this point in time he is redundant.

Also I do NOT want to see Danny line up at the four other than rare occasions.

Let us commit ourselves to smash mouth basketball.

No small ball ever again. Ok, not ever but in very rare occasions.

Can I get an AMEN!

ZepZach
06-25-2011, 05:21 PM
AMEN!

PacerDude
06-25-2011, 06:53 PM
If I had to guess the line up would be Hill, George, Granger, Who knows at PF you tell me, Hibbert. Collison is the starting PG. Hill will be the 1st off the bench for the backcourt. And there's this kid named Tyler that does a fairly good job at the 4.

LeeTheG7
06-25-2011, 07:21 PM
Collison is the starting PG. Hill will be the 1st off the bench for the backcourt. And there's this kid named Tyler that does a fairly good job at the 4.

We will see I think Collison is pretty good but so is George Hill if Collison doesn't get much better I could easily see George Hill as are starting PG. If Collison wins the spot its because he improved. As far as PF I have faith in Bird because a lot of you guys say he is a great GM. If he is he will get a PF in free agency to fill that hole. I'm not that impressed with Hansboro he is a good back up.

Cryyin
06-26-2011, 02:37 AM
Werent many saying how well Collison was playing (offense and passing) in the playoff until he turned his ankle? The first game and a half of the playoffs I thought he elevated his game appropriately. His defense was bad for sure, but he was scoring and passing the ball better than he had been doing at the end of the season.

I think he will continue to start and Hill backs up George unless Collison is getting beat badly on defense in which time Hill would come in as a sub.

Kemo
06-26-2011, 03:38 AM
I'm not that impressed with Hansboro he is a good back up.


He's gotta start somewhere right??

Last season was basically his rookie year in terms of games played due to his injury/vertigo.

I'd say being a good backup is a pretty damn good place to reach ...in your 1st year playing actual games in the nba, all things considering..


Tyler is the type of guy that I would bet ..that he would continue to improve quite a bit each progressing season.. He, by all accounts, seems to have the work ethic and desire to get better ..

LeeTheG7
06-27-2011, 02:21 AM
He's gotta start somewhere right??

Last season was basically his rookie year in terms of games played due to his injury/vertigo.

I'd say being a good backup is a pretty damn good place to reach ...in your 1st year playing actual games in the nba, all things considering..


Tyler is the type of guy that I would bet ..that he would continue to improve quite a bit each progressing season.. He, by all accounts, seems to have the work ethic and desire to get better ..

I was being nice. Seriously Indiana needs another PF that is a huge weakness. I'm saying in a few years he will be a good back up. He tries hard but thats not enough against players like Amare, Blake Griffen, Aldridge, Hickson etc. Its a huge hole in Indiana. I would like to see Hansboro as a back up and see if he can get better but right now if he is the starter thats a big hole.

xBulletproof
06-27-2011, 02:27 AM
I'm not that impressed with Hansboro

I love me some G.I. Joe.

Just sayin.

pacersgroningen
06-27-2011, 04:55 AM
I was being nice. Seriously Indiana needs another PF that is a huge weakness. I'm saying in a few years he will be a good back up. He tries hard but thats not enough against players like Amare, Blake Griffen, Aldridge, Hickson etc. Its a huge hole in Indiana. I would like to see Hansboro as a back up and see if he can get better but right now if he is the starter thats a big hole.

Hickson? Give me a break! I'm not saying Tyler is an all-star but if you're comparing him to Amare, Griffin and Aldridge that seems to be your point. Also, let's not forget Amare was about to run away crying from Tyler during those two games at the end of the season. A player with a different skillset might fit better next to Roy, but let's not throw Hansbrough under the bus while holding his own quite decently against B****er (a so called all-star caliber player you were referring to) in the play-offs!

CooperManning
06-27-2011, 05:30 AM
I'm saying in a few years he will be a good back up. He tries hard but thats not enough against players like Amare, Blake Griffen, Aldridge, Hickson etc.

I'm more concerned about Collison not being as good as players like Derrick Rose, Chris Paul, Deron Williams, and Earl Boykins.

xIndyFan
06-27-2011, 09:17 AM
. . . A player with a different skillset might fit better next to Roy, but let's not throw Hansbrough under the bus while holding his own quite decently against B****er (a so called all-star caliber player you were referring to) in the play-offs!

boozer is a player that can be dominated. he really struggles against taller/stronger players. i want a PF that can take advantage of boozer's inadequacies. tyler did a nice job against him, but he did not dominate him. pacers need a bigger stonger guy.

90'sNBARocked
06-27-2011, 12:03 PM
2 Things:

G Hill should have the right to compete with Collison for the starting PG position. Let the best player win. Period end of story. If San Antonio was really trying to trade Parker first (though no one would bite on taking Jefferson's contract) then they must have strong belief that Hill can effectively lead the team.

If G Hill is supposed to be a SG, then what makes him different than the likes of say Ben Gordon?

pacer4ever
06-28-2011, 06:16 AM
2 Things:

G Hill should have the right to compete with Collison for the starting PG position. Let the best player win. Period end of story. If San Antonio was really trying to trade Parker first (though no one would bite on taking Jefferson's contract) then they must have strong belief that Hill can effectively lead the team.

If G Hill is supposed to be a SG, then what makes him different than the likes of say Ben Gordon?

A.) he cant shoot like BG or score as well as BG
B.)BG has never heard of defense and George Hill is known as a defensive player

Speed
06-28-2011, 07:57 AM
I think it needs to be said that even George Hill considers himself more of a 2 guard.

Even if George Hill is a better player than DC, I'm not sure he's a better Point Guard at all. His numbers don't show that.

cinotimz
06-28-2011, 09:07 AM
I keep getting this feeling that Bird envisions a George Hill and Lance Stephenson backcourt....now whether thats off the bench or not remains to be seen...

xIndyFan
06-28-2011, 10:10 AM
. . . If G Hill is supposed to be a SG, then what makes him different than the likes of say Ben Gordon?

it looks like george hill has a good handle and can actually play the point. gordon is just a scorer. plus as p4e said, george is a much better athlete/defender. jmo, but this makes george hill much more than an undersized 2.


I keep getting this feeling that Bird envisions a George Hill and Lance Stephenson backcourt....now whether thats off the bench or not remains to be seen...

jmo, but off the bench at the start of the season. lance will get the same chance paul george had, to come off the bench early in the season with the chance to be the starter by the end. since i don't see paul george not starting all season, george hill will become the backup PG when/if lance becomes the starter. DC to the bench.