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PacerPenguins
06-23-2011, 09:50 AM
Happy Draft Day. This year, I think the NBA has something really crazy in store for all of us. Yes, this draft class is one of the weakest we've ever had, but that's led to some incredible parity between projections of players. Just as important to any draft night discussion, there's a ton of trade talk going on right now.

Like every year, as late Wednesday night turned to early Thursday morning, a number of teams reported they were still debating between three or four prospects on their boards. Agents and players are wringing their hands right now. No one knows who's going where.

So the draft should be fun. And the mock draft? It's hard to pinpoint who teams will take when they haven't decided yet, but we're going to try. And then try again a little later in the day. And then try again right before the draft.

In other words, check back often for versions 7.1, 7.2, 7.3 as we continue to collect information on who will go where.

Here's our best stab, after talking to numerous NBA team sources, at how the draft will play out Thursday night.


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Cleveland
(via L.A. Clippers)


Kyrie Irving

Position: PG
Height: 6-foot-4
Weight: 191 pounds
Age: 19
School: Duke
Analysis: I know there's still some uncertainty out there. There always is. But all signs continue to point to Irving as the No. 1 pick. He has a chance to be special and, in this draft, that makes him worthy of going this high.

The Cavs may not love what's left for them at No. 4, but at least they walk away feeling that they got the best player in the draft.



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Minnesota


Derrick Williams

Position: PF
Height: 6-9
Weight: 249
Age: 20
School: Arizona
Analysis: The Wolves will work the phones until the last minute looking for a trade. If they keep the pick? They are considering Enes Kanter and started telling teams around the league on Wednesday that they're leaning in that direction.

I can see the appeal of Kanter. He probably fits a need more. But Williams is the second-best talent in this draft and I think talent ultimately trumps need, so they'll take Williams and sort it out later this summer.


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Utah
(via New Jersey)


Enes Kanter

Position: C
Height: 6-11
Weight: 260
Age: 19
Country: Turkey
Analysis: GM Kevin O'Connor is now issuing his famous "no comment" when asked about what the Jazz will do here. They are one of the most tight-lipped teams in the league. They aren't leaking who they'll take at No. 3.

So why did I change this from Brandon Knight to Kanter? Because it's hard to get legit centers in the league, especially ones with Kanter's upside. So are point guards, which is why Knight could be the pick. But as of very early Thursday, I think the Jazz will go with size and upside and Kanter.



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Cleveland


Jonas Valanciunas

Position: C
Height: 7-0
Weight: 245
Age: 19
Country: Lithuania
Analysis: We had Valanciunas in this position last week. But on Monday we reported that Valanciunas' buyout with his team in Lithuania would prohibit him from coming to the NBA next season.

The Cavs love Valanciunas, but do they love him enough to draft him even if he won't be coming to the NBA right away? There are growing signals that they do. Valanciunas was in Cleveland on Tuesday meeting with Cavs brass. They conducted a physical and a workout as well which has seemingly calmed their fears.

But another serious dark horse here is Tristan Thompson. As I reported on Wednesday, Thompson met with owner Dan Gilbert in Cleveland on Monday, and the Cavs are intrigued. As I gather more info, this is one spot where the mock could change in Version 7.1.


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Toronto

Brandon Knight

Position: PG
Height: 6-3
Weight: 177
Age: 19
School: Kentucky
Analysis: GM Bryan Colangelo has been looking for defensive help, and I had been hearing over the past 24 hours that Bismack Biyombo and Kawhi Leonard had risen on the Raptors' board. But if Knight slides this far, I don't think they'll pass.

Knight has tremendous upside, is a good defender in his own right and, alongside DeMar DeRozan, would give the Raptors an intriguing young backcourt.


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Washington

Jan Vesely

Position: PF
Height: 6-11
Weight: 240
Age: 21
Country: Czech Republic
Analysis: The Wizards need rebounding and would love it if Kanter was still on the board. They've also been huge fans of Vesely and would jump at the chance to take him here. His ability to run the floor would be a welcome fit alongside John Wall and JaVale McGee.

Tristan Thompson is the other player to watch here. The Wizards need help on the boards and Thompson is one of the best offensive rebounders in the draft.



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Sacramento

Kemba Walker

Position: PG
Height: 6-1
Weight: 184
Age: 21
School: UConn
Analysis: Walker wins this battle by process of elimination. In the past 24 hours, it sounds like the push for Jimmer Fredette, Kawhi Leonard, Alec Burks and even Klay Thompson has cooled. I'm told that ideally the Kings would like to find a way to trade this pick for a veteran.

But if they stay here, I'm reluctantly putting Walker here. If he does go to the Kings, he's going to breathe a huge sigh of relief. From what I can gather, he's in danger of sliding, and sliding far, if the Kings don't take him here.



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Detroit

Tristan Thompson

Position: PF
Height: 6-9
Weight: 228
Age: 20
School: Texas
Analysis: The Pistons are likely going to add a player with size here. Thompson, Bismack Biyombo and Markieff Morris are all options. All three worked out in Detroit on Tuesday and played well. Morris may have been the best of the bunch, but this is a bit high for him.

I think the Pistons will seriously look at moving this pick to the Rockets for the 14th and 23rd picks. Kawhi Leonard is also a potential pick here. But if the Pistons stay at 8, I think Thompson has a slight edge over Biyombo.



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Charlotte

Kawhi Leonard

Position: SF
Height: 6-7
Weight: 228
Age: 19
School: San Diego St.
Analysis: The Bobcats will be thrilled if Leonard is still on the board here. While Leonard isn't the same player as Gerald Wallace, he brings much of the same intensity. Bismack Biyombo is also an option here, as are the Morris twins and Alec Burks. But I doubt the Bobcats could pass on Leonard.



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Milwaukee

Klay Thompson

Position: SG
Height: 6-7
Weight: 206
Age: 21
School: Washington St.
Analysis: The Bucks are also listening to a number of offers for this pick. They could move down or totally out of the draft. If they keep the pick, I think it likely comes down to Thompson and Alec Burks. They play the same position but have different strengths. Thompson is a shooter; Burks is a slasher.

Since the Bucks are telling me pretty strongly that they're holding on to Brandon Jennings as their point guard, and since the team is making a strong drive to get back to the playoffs, I think Thompson is a better fit.



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Golden State

Bismack Biyombo

Position: PF
Height: 6-9
Weight: 243
Age: 18
Country: Congo
Analysis: Warriors adviser Jerry West is a fan of Klay Thompson and would likely select him if he's still on the board. Ditto for Jonas Valanciunas. But if they're off the board, don't be surprised if the Warriors grab Biyombo. They desperately need size and toughness in the paint and Biyombo can deliver from day one.



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Utah

Jimmer Fredette

Position: PG
Height: 6-3
Weight: 196
Age: 22
School: Brigham Young
Analysis: I wonder ... will crazed Jimmer fans rush to the streets of Salt Lake City and Provo if Fredette's name is called here? He's been a long shot for weeks because we've had the Jazz taking Brandon Knight.

But if Utah goes with Kanter, it's likely they'll select Jimmer here. I think it's a good pick. Jazz fans probably think it's the best pick in franchise history. We'll see.



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Phoenix

Marcus Morris

Position: PF
Height: 6-9
Weight: 230
Age: 21
School: Kansas
Analysis: The Suns have been hoping that Tristan Thompson falls to them here. Maybe he will. But with the Cavs, Wizards and Pistons all giving him a serious look, I doubt it.

Marcus Morris isn't the defensive presence they've been talking about, but he fits a need at the 4 and can still be an integral part of the Suns' offense. Iman Shumpert and Marcus' brother Markieff are also possibilities here.



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Houston

Nikola Vucevic

Position: C
Height: 7-0
Weight: 260
Age: 20
School: USC
Analysis: The Rockets are talking to everyone -- and I mean everyone -- about moving up in the draft. Everyone from the Wolves at 2 to the Warriors at 11 have heard the pitch. I think someone ultimately will bite, and I think it could be Detroit.

But if not, the Rockets are likely to reach a little bit for some size in the paint. They are desperate for it, and Vucevic is the biggest man in the draft. Chris Singleton and Markieff Morris are also options.



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Indiana


Markieff Morris

Position: PF/C
Height: 6-9
Weight: 241
Age: 21
School: Kansas
Analysis: The Pacers will be bummed if Jimmer is off the board. They too have been exploring moving up in the draft, but it looks like they'll have to get to 11 to get him. If they can't, they'll go with a decidedly less sexy pick, but one that actually fills a bigger hole.

The Pacers need size, rebounding, toughness and a big man who can stretch the floor. Morris can do all of that, and he may be scratching the surface of his potential. Alec Burks and Chris Singleton are other possibilities here.



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Philadelphia


Jordan Hamilton

Position: SF
Height: 6-9
Weight: 229
Age: 20
School: Texas
Analysis: The Sixers need size, but with Thompson, Vucevic and Morris all off the board, the only other big man worth taking here is Kenneth Faried. If Faried were a little bit bigger, I think they'd do it. Instead, I think the Sixers will prepare for the inevitable trade of Andre Iguodala.

It may not come on draft night, but most believe it will happen sometime before the season, and that's why Hamilton is the pick. Donatas Motiejunas is another possibility here.



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New York


Chris Singleton

Position: SF
Height: 6-9
Weight: 230
Age: 21
School: Florida State
Analysis: The Knicks have a bunch of scorers. What they really need are defenders. Singleton will get looks as high as No. 9 to the Bobcats, but I doubt he will slide any further than here. Not only is he the best defender in the draft, he also has potential to be a spot-up 3-point shooter.

Iman Shumpert, Alec Burks and Marshon Brooks are also in the mix here.



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Washington
(via Atlanta)


Alec Burks

Position: SG
Height: 6-6
Weight: 193
Age: 19
School: Colorado
Analysis: Why is Burks, a player being considered as high as No. 7, sliding? It's a good question. He's one of the most promising players in the draft. His game is smooth, he gets to the basket and he has major upside. If the Wizards can steal him here, they'd walk away with a really great draft.



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Charlotte
(via New Orleans)


Marshon Brooks

Position: SG
Height: 6-5
Weight: 195
Age: 22
School: Providence
Analysis: The Bobcats, in this mock, get their defender with the No. 9 pick. That means they go pure offense 10 picks later. Brooks is one of the best scorers in the draft and would be a good long-term upgrade at the 2. Shumpert is also a possibility here.



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Minnesota
(via Memphis)


Iman Shumpert

Position: PG
Height: 6-6
Weight: 221
Age: 20
College: Georgia Tech
Analysis: The Wolves added some serious offensive pop with the arrival of Ricky Rubio and, in this mock, Derrick Williams. Shumpert would give them a major defensive presence in their backcourt.

While he's not the most offensively gifted player in the draft, his ability to guard both backcourt positions, combined with his elite athleticism, make him an interesting choice at No. 20.



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Portland


Kenneth Faried

Position: PF
Height: 6-8
Weight: 225
Age: 21
School: Morehead State
Analysis: The Blazers fell in love with Faried last year before he withdrew from the draft. If they are fortunate enough to get a second chance at him this year, they'll grab him. His relentlessness on the boards is a nice complement to LaMarcus Aldridge's more offensive-minded style.

Markieff Morris, Tobias Harris, Iman Shumpert and Reggie Jackson are others to watch.



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Denver


Tobias Harris

Position: PF
Height: 6-8
Weight: 223
Age: 18
School: Tennessee
Analysis: I guess we can't call Harris one of the more underrated players in the draft when he hasn't moved off 22 in any of our mocks. He can play both the 3 and 4, and he has a very high basketball IQ and an NBA body. Harris doesn't do any one thing at an elite level, but he is one of the most well-rounded players in the draft.

Iman Shumpert, Chandler Parsons and Tyler Honeycutt are other possibilities here.


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Houston
(via Orlando)


Donatas Motiejunas

Position: PF
Height: 7-0
Weight: 220
Age: 19
Country: Lithuania
Analysis: At this point in the draft, you quit worrying about draft needs and you draft according to talent. Motiejunas is a major talent. He's got flaws, but at No. 23 you live with them. If the Rockets don't trade the pick away, Jimmy Butler is a possibility here, as is Darius Morris.



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Oklahoma City


Kyle Singler

Position: SF
Height: 6-9
Weight: 228
Age: 23
College: Duke
Analysis: I don't have Singler rated as a top-30 prospect. But I might be mistaken. A source said the Thunder are very high on Singler and believe he could be an Andres Nocioni-type player in the NBA.

He is tough, has a good motor and will be able to knock down open shots. If he plays that role in the NBA, he's well worth the 24th pick. Reggie Jackson, Jimmy Butler and Nikola Mirotic are other possibility here.



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Boston


Jimmy Butler

Position: G/F
Height: 6-8
Weight: 222
Age: 21
School: Marquette
Analysis: If the Celtics are going to keep competing for a title, they need players who know their roles, can play without the ball in their hands and meld in. Butler brings toughness, defense and heart.

Butler epitomizes that approach with his game and would be a great fit with the Celtics as a player who can play multiple positions off the bench. Reggie Jackson is another strong possibility here, as is Norris Cole.


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Dallas


Nikola Mirotic

Position: SF
Height: 6-10
Weight: 226
Age: 21
Country: Serbia
Analysis: The Mavs likely will stay primarily a veteran team. So they'll work to add value wherever they can. Mirotic is a talented player who would go 10 spots higher if he weren't stuck in Europe the next two or three years with a difficult contract to escape.

But the Mavs can afford to be patient with a talent like this and hope that in a few years, he'll be ready to step in and play right away.



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New Jersey
(via L.A. Lakers)


Reggie Jackson

Position: PG
Height: 6-3
Weight: 208
Age: 21
School: Boston College
Analysis: Jackson hasn't done any workouts, has a knee injury and isn't sharing his medical records. Why would the Nets take a player like that? Well, they, along with a lot of NBA teams, believe that another team has shut down Jackson's workouts with a promise to draft him.

That shouldn't stop the Nets from grabbing Jackson anyway. Yes, they have Deron Williams. But he's not a sure thing to stay in New Jersey after next season. Even if he does, Jackson would be a terrific backup and could play off the ball in certain situations.

If Jackson hadn't suffered a knee injury just as the draft prep began, he could have gone much higher. Norris Cole, Justin Harper, Josh Selby and Chandler Parsons also are possibilities.



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Chicago
(via Miami)


Justin Harper

Position: PF
Height: 6-9
Weight: 228
Age: 21
School: Richmond
Analysis: Harper was one of the best stretch 4s in college basketball last season. He also has size and is a pretty good athlete. The Bulls need perimeter shooting, and Harper should be able to give them some.

Charles Jenkins, Tyler Honeycutt and Jeremy Tyler are also possibilities.



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San Antonio


Davis Bertans

Position: SF
Height: 6-10
Weight: 210
Age: 18
Country: Latvia
Analysis: The Spurs have done a good job over the years of finding young international players and stashing them overseas for a few years until they're ready.

Bertans showed he can be a big-time shooter at the Nike Hoop Summit and adidas Eurocamp, and he's only 18 years old. So it's worth taking a flier on him and seeing what he can accomplish after another year or two in Europe.



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Chicago


Nolan Smith

Position: SG
Height: 6-4
Weight: 188
Age: 22
School: Duke
Analysis: The Bulls need scorers in their backcourt and ultimately need to find a backup for Derrick Rose at point guard. Smith isn't the sort of player who really wows you with one thing. But he's a winner, he's versatile and he's been a solid shooter in college. He's a perfect backup guard.


http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft2011/insider/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&page=MockDraft-110623

Wilk39
06-23-2011, 09:55 AM
I hope Jimmer falls to us. David Aldridge said there is no way Jimmer goes to Utah at #12. If he falls to us at our pick, great, but we should not trade up to get him. If anything, we should be trading down in this draft and pick up Reggie Jackson and/or Faried.

PacerPenguins
06-23-2011, 09:55 AM
I will cry is we pass on Burks and Singleton for Markieff Morris

tfarks
06-23-2011, 09:57 AM
I will cry is we pass on Burks and Singleton for Markieff Morris

Yeah, I definitely agree with that.

Psyren
06-23-2011, 09:57 AM
I will cry is we pass on Burks and Singleton for Markieff Morris

I will cry if we pick either of the Morris twins period :cry:

BPump33
06-23-2011, 09:57 AM
I will cry is we pass on Burks and Singleton for Markieff Morris

Is the second round on there, too? Thank you very much for posting this.

PacerPenguins
06-23-2011, 09:59 AM
Is the second round on there, too? Thank you very much for posting this.

here it is


31. Miami Heat (via Minnesota)

JaJuan Johnson | F | Purdue

The Heat are hoping that Reggie Jackson falls this far. But if a team snatches Jackson up, Johnson would be a nice fit. He is long, shoots the ball well and has four years of experience.


32. Cleveland Cavaliers

Chandler Parsons | SF | Florida

If the Cavs get a point guard and a big man early in the draft, don't be surprised to see them reach a bit for Parsons here. He has great size, is very skilled and has been one of the best workout players in the draft.


33. Detroit Pistons (via Toronto)

Norris Cole | PG | Cleveland State

In our mock, the Pistons miss out on Kemba Walker, but Cole isn't a bad substitute. He's a classic point guard who can fly up and down the floor, make a great pass and get into the lane. He could be the sleeper of the draft.


34. Washington Wizards

Jordan Williams | C | Maryland

The Wizards added some flash with their first two picks in the draft. With the third one, they add some toughness and rebounding. Williams doesn't have ideal size, nor is he a great athlete. But he's a tough rebounder.


35. Sacramento Kings

Tyler Honeycutt | G/F | UCLA

The Kings' other big need right now is at small forward, and Honeycutt could be a great fit. He's got a high basketball IQ, has point-forward skills and he's a solid shooter.


36. New Jersey Nets

Bojan Bogdanovic | SF | Serbia

Bogdanovic was the second-leading scorer in the Euroleague this year. If he could come to the U.S. this year or next, he'd likely be a first-round pick. In the second round, he's a steal.


37. Los Angeles Clippers (via Detroit)

Josh Selby | PG | Kansas

The Clippers have always been a team willing to take chances on young college players who didn't always live up to expectations. If Selby falls this far in the draft, he's a steal here. There's nothing to lose, and a lot to gain.


38. Houston Rockets (via Los Angeles Clippers)

Darius Morris | PG | Michigan

The Rockets would like to add some size in the backcourt and have been fans of Morris for a while. At No. 38, he's worth the risk. He has a lot of Andre Miller to his game.


39. Charlotte Bobcats

Malcolm Lee | PG | UCLA

The Bobcats really need a big point guard to play when teams overwhelm D.J. Augustin with size. Lee is one of the best perimeter defenders in the draft and has terrific upside.


40. Milwaukee Bucks

Jeremy Tyler | C | Tokyo Apache

The Bucks have never been afraid to roll the dice on a player with major upside. They did it with Brandon Jennings and it paid off big-time. Here, Tyler isn't a huge risk. He's big, athletic and can play both the 4 and the 5. He needs time to develop, but he has great potential.


41. Los Angeles Lakers (from Golden State via New Jersey)

Shelvin Mack | PG | Butler

The Lakers need to replace Derek Fisher at some point and Mack would be a great candidate; they are both tough combo guards who can shoot the ball. Mack reminds me a bit of a poor man's Joe Dumars. He could bring a lot to the table in L.A.


42. Indiana Pacers

Charles Jenkins | PG | Hofstra

The Pacers really need a player who can create for himself off the dribble. Jenkins is a poor man's Jimmer. He was one of the best scorers in college basketball this past season and can play multiple positions. He'd be a nice fit here.


43. Chicago Bulls (via Utah)

Jon Leuer | PF | Wisconsin

The Bulls continue to stock up on shooters by adding Leuer to the mix. He was one of the best shooting bigs in the NCAA, and he's a good get at this spot of the draft.


44. Golden State Warriors (From Phoenix via Chicago)

Trey Thompkins | PF | Georgia

The Warriors could always use some low-post scoring and Thompkins actually has a lot of talent scoring in the low block. He's got to get in better shape, but at this point in the draft, he's worth the risk.


45. New Orleans (via Philadelphia)

Greg Smith | C | Fresno State

Smith is raw. But he has an NBA body, good athleticism and huge hands. He's a project, but a very solid one.


46. Los Angeles Lakers (From New York)

Malcolm Thomas | PF | San Diego State

Thomas is an elite athlete who can run the floor, rebound and block shots. He's still raw offensively, but he has lots of upside for the 46th pick.


47. Los Angeles Clippers (From Houston)

Giorgi Shermadini | C | Georgia

Shermadini is a talented big man who can really score. He may not come over for a few years, but down the road he could be a very good pickup for the Clippers.


48. Atlanta Hawks

Travis Leslie | SG | Georgia

The Hawks can always use more athletes in the backcourt, and Leslie may be the best leaper in the draft. The question is whether he'll ever learn how to shoot the ball.


49. Memphis Grizzlies

Cory Joseph | PG | Texas

Mike Conley has cemented himself as the Grizzlies' point guard of the future, but Joseph could be an interesting backup down the road. He should've stayed in school, but there's raw talent there.


50. Philadelphia 76ers (From New Orleans)

Keith Benson | C | Oakland

The Sixers continue to need bigs and Benson is one of the biggest players in the draft. He's skilled and a very good athlete for his size; he just needs to get stronger and improve his motor.


51. Portland Trail Blazers

Diante Garrett | PG | Iowa State

The Blazers are looking for a point guard and Garrett has turned a lot of heads with his excellent play in draft camps.


52. Detroit Pistons

E'Twaun Moore | SG | Purdue

Moore is one of the toughest players in the draft. He's an excellent shooter and can even play a little point guard. He's probably a bit of a steal at this point.


53. Orlando Magic

Scotty Hopson | SG | Tennessee

Hopson is not only one of the best athletes in the draft, but he also can shoot the ball. He was inconsistent at Tennessee, but the talent is still there.


54. Cleveland Cavaliers (From Oklahoma City via Miami)

Jereme Richmond | SF | Illinois

Richmond is an athlete and little else right now. But as a long-term project, he still has major upside.


55. Boston Celtics

Jamine Peterson | SF | NBDL

Peterson is one of the best scorers in the draft. He's a great athlete as well. He may have some question marks about his background, but the Celtics have never shied away from players like him.


56. Los Angeles Lakers

Brad Wanamaker | PG | Pittsburgh

Wannamaker is a pure playmaker who is coming off a great career at Pittsburgh. I know it's another point guard for the Lakers, but his toughness is tough to pass up at this point.


57. Dallas Mavericks

Michael Dunigan | C | Oregon

Dunigan has size and athletic ability. Oh, and he dominated the Estonian league this year. Need I say more?


58. Los Angeles Lakers (From Miami)

Julyan Stone | SG | UTEP

The Lakers like big point guards and they like defenders, and Stone fits the bill. Just don't ask him to score.


59. San Antonio Spurs

DeAndre Liggins | SG | Kentucky

The Spurs love guys who can defend multiple positions, and Liggins can do just that.


60. Sacramento Kings (From Chicago via Milwaukee)

Andrew Goudelock | SG | College of Charleston

The Kings like shooters, and Goudelock is one of the best in the draft.

Ozwalt72
06-23-2011, 10:00 AM
Ford says Singleton is a good defender with the potential to be a spot up three point shooter. Don't we already have that?

I'm pretty confident Larry won't throw a pick on one of the Morris twins if Singleton and Burks are available.

The Sleeze
06-23-2011, 10:00 AM
I will cry is we pass on Burks and Singleton for Markieff Morris

I will kill someone if we pass on them for Markieff........and that someone is Larry Bird.

Gamble1
06-23-2011, 10:00 AM
I will cry is we pass on Burks and Singleton for Markieff Morris
It won't happen so put away the tissue paper and rest easy.

NO way do we take Markieff if Burks is on the board. One thing I do like about all these drafts is that SOMEBODY WILL DROP TO THE 15 spot that we didn't expect. I doubt its Jimmer or Kemba but guys like Biyombo or Burks could slip to us.

Gamble1
06-23-2011, 10:02 AM
Ford says Singleton is a good defender with the potential to be a spot up three point shooter. Don't we already have that?

I'm pretty confident Larry won't throw a pick on one of the Morris twins if Singleton and Burks are available.
He is a better defender than Rush and a different type of defender. He has active hands like PG.

Kegboy
06-23-2011, 10:06 AM
I've always felt the Lakers would be an excellent fit for Mack.

Sparhawk
06-23-2011, 10:08 AM
Still a lot of value in the early second. Josh Selby, Jeremy Tyler, Darius Morris (don't believe he'll go that low) & JJ. Holy *****, Tyler Honeycutt is in the 2nd round now! That'd be pretty good value.

Pacersalltheway10
06-23-2011, 10:16 AM
It sounds like Ford is making his personal pick because this draft is so uncertain. I think the Pacers don't pass on Burks or Singleton. If we could trade Rush and 42 to Washington and the 18 and get both Burks and Singleton, we would be the clear winners of the draft barring trades.

Sparhawk
06-23-2011, 10:21 AM
It sounds like Ford is making his personal pick because this draft is so uncertain. I think the Pacers don't pass on Burks or Singleton. If we could trade Rush and 42 to Washington and the 18 and get both Burks and Singleton, we would be the clear winners of the draft barring trades.

I definitely like that scenario. Perhaps we could trade Price for an early second or just buy a second round pick. This draft is unpredictable and still tons of value in the early to middle second round. We certainly need capable players, and on the cheap.

Dr. Awesome
06-23-2011, 10:22 AM
Everyone here will hate Singleton. He is a great defender, but won't do much offensively. I love his game, but this time next year he will be a great defender who doesn't score much and the 99% of you who complain about Brandon Rush will be complaining about him.

vnzla81
06-23-2011, 10:23 AM
Everyone here will hate Singleton. He is a great defender, but won't do much offensively. I love his game, but this time next year he will be a great defender who doesn't score much and the 99% of you who complain about Brandon Rush will be complaining about him.

:laugh: is funny that the same people that complaint about Rush are the ones that want this guy :laugh:

Sparhawk
06-23-2011, 10:25 AM
Everyone here will hate Singleton. He is a great defender, but won't do much offensively. I love his game, but this time next year he will be a great defender who doesn't score much and the 99% of you who complain about Brandon Rush will be complaining about him.

I know that I won't. Already know he can't score. When Rush was drafted, I don't think people were saying that Rush can't score. Plus, Rush is a shooting guard who is supposed to score, while Singleton will be playing the 3 and 4.

MyFavMartin
06-23-2011, 10:30 AM
Yeah, if we land Burks or Brooks, I think today is the last day that Brandon Rush is a Pacer.

Pacersalltheway10
06-23-2011, 10:31 AM
Rush isn't all that great of a defender anyways. And an offensive game can and will develop in most players. I think Rush really just doesn't want to get any better.

Another scenario( assuming Burks and Singleton are there at 17 and 18) is to draft Burks at 15. Then trade Rush and future 2nd or cash considerations for the #19 pick. Then trade #19 and #42 for 17 or 18.

Get: Burks, Singleton
Give: Rush,#42, Cash

diamonddave00
06-23-2011, 10:33 AM
Personally I'd not mind either of the Morris twins or Brooks. I don't want Singleton and Burks is a shooting guard who is not a good shooter beyond 18-20 feet.

Really?
06-23-2011, 10:36 AM
I hope Jimmer falls to us. David Aldridge said there is no way Jimmer goes to Utah at #12. If he falls to us at our pick, great, but we should not trade up to get him. If anything, we should be trading down in this draft and pick up Reggie Jackson and/or Faried.

Starting to come to the conclusion that David Aldridge is an idiot way before this comment.


Ford says Singleton is a good defender with the potential to be a spot up three point shooter. Don't we already have that?

I'm pretty confident Larry won't throw a pick on one of the Morris twins if Singleton and Burks are available.

Having a 2 that does that and having a 4 that does that are two completely different things


Everyone here will hate Singleton. He is a great defender, but won't do much offensively. I love his game, but this time next year he will be a great defender who doesn't score much and the 99% of you who complain about Brandon Rush will be complaining about him.

Huh... I expect my 2 to be able to score, I mean the given name is shooting guard right... but I will say that I don't know where you heard Singleton can't score from... he has a nice shot and will hit a lot of spot up shots not just 3s, he shot 37% from 3 this year and averaged 13 pts per game.. He put up a 15 pt game against UNC and a 28 pt game against Butler going 6-12 from 3...

He also gets steals and blocks... if this guy slips to us we better take him, lol

Ozwalt72
06-23-2011, 10:37 AM
Personally I'd not mind either of the Morris twins or Brooks. I don't want Singleton and Burks is a shooting guard who is not a good shooter beyond 18-20 feet.

Brooks can't shoot with any range either.

Edit: Though that might just result from repeatedly taking horrible shots.

The Sleeze
06-23-2011, 10:40 AM
Starting to come to the conclusion that David Aldridge is an idiot way before this comment.

He is an idiot. Just look at his best available players for each position. He also had Nolan Smith going to us at 15 until about a week ago.

PR07
06-23-2011, 10:49 AM
I'd be pretty bummed if this happened too. I like the second round pick though.

Really?
06-23-2011, 10:49 AM
Brooks can't shoot with any range either.

Edit: Though that might just result from repeatedly taking horrible shots.

I think both of their 3 pt shooting is comparable... Burks shot 35% from 3 his freshman year and averaged 17 pts per game, maybe he was forcing them more am maybe his form changed his fg% also went down for 54% to 47%... I am thinking that this most likely had to deal with a change in form... that is a big drop off.

I feel the difference is that Brooks has more of a mid range game and burks a at the rim game... Just all depends on what u want for ya team....

Shade
06-23-2011, 11:00 AM
Indiana
Markieff Morris

:vaderno:

vnzla81
06-23-2011, 11:02 AM
:vaderno:

Yes ;)

The Sleeze
06-23-2011, 11:04 AM
Indiana-Markieff Morris
:vaderno:

I really hope I'm wrong here, but it seems that most of us don't want Markieff, and I have a feeling the more and more people that don't want him, the more likely it is that the Pacers will pick him.

PR07
06-23-2011, 11:06 AM
I just don't see him being all that better than Hansbrough (if at all).

I Love P
06-23-2011, 11:07 AM
I do not want Wayne Simien 2.0...he averaged a whopping 13.6 ppg as a JUNIOR. Absolute terrible pick if we draft him...those kids will be busts or barely average at best.

90'sNBARocked
06-23-2011, 11:08 AM
God I pray we dont take Jimmer or another undersized SG in a PG's Body

I will be happy with : Klay Thompson, Brooks, Burks, Morris

I would love to snag either Josh Selby or Jeremy Tyler with another pick

kellogg
06-23-2011, 11:09 AM
I will cry is we pass on Burks and Singleton for Markieff Morris

Bird will have also contradicted himself when he told Mark Boyle he will go after the BPA. I can't imagine he'd pass on Burks especially...it's like Granger falling to us in 2005...what a gift.

Since86
06-23-2011, 11:11 AM
I just don't see him being all that better than Hansbrough (if at all).

This. And plus, we really still don't know what Hans is gonna be. He could easily settle into a 15/7 guy. While that's not all-star caliber, there isn't any player in the draft that is a lock for that level of play, and certainly not a player who will be availabe at 15.

I the very least thing that the Pacers can do is re-sign McBob and continue the Foster/Hibbert/Hans/McBob 4-5 rotation of last year. I think the bigger need is to get depth at the 2-3 position, because right now you have Danny/PG and then nothing. Mike D and BRush are both pretty much gone, hopefully.

Really?
06-23-2011, 11:14 AM
Jimmer is a 1 not a 2 first of all

2nd Hansbrough just plays with so much energy and it helps energize his team and the crowd... you have to factor that in when thinking about taking a PF to possibly play ahead of him.

vnzla81
06-23-2011, 11:17 AM
I really hope I'm wrong here, but it seems that most of us don't want Markieff, and I have a feeling the more and more people that don't want him, the more likely it is that the Pacers will pick him.

Yep is similar to the year when we drafted Hans and only few people here wanted him.

Markieff is going to be a nice player by the way, I don't get all the hate on the guy, I wanted him last year and I would love the pick this year.

I Love P
06-23-2011, 11:23 AM
Id rather have Faried.

Sparhawk
06-23-2011, 11:24 AM
Id rather have Faried.

I'd rather have Markieff. At least he has size and potential to offer more on the offensive end.

Cactus Jax
06-23-2011, 11:49 AM
I'm just hoping Kemba Walker doesn't go to the Kings and he falls all the way to the Pacers at 15 like Ford is possibly suggesting (that Kemba will drop a lot), but I doubt that happens.

I Love P
06-23-2011, 11:56 AM
Marqueef Morris.

Pacersalltheway10
06-23-2011, 12:07 PM
I don't want Kemba. But it does open up trade possibilities if we pick him for Kemba himself or Collison.

Really?
06-23-2011, 12:14 PM
Brooks 38.5 inch vertical.... 7 reb per game in college... that has to count for something... also not sure where the "not a good defender" talk comes from, I have heard that he is a good defender...

Sign me up... :)

pacergod2
06-23-2011, 12:22 PM
I have wanted Markieff since I can remember. I said that I wanted Markieff Morris over just about anybody in the draft who could reasonably fall to us. I would love it if we took Markieff. Rebounding and toughness are part of smathmouth basketball. We have Hansborough and Hibbert in our front court right now. That is it. No Foster or McRoberts. No Euro. We only have two front court players signed and Markieff can play both PF and C. He is not as long as you would like but we are drafting a third big with this pick. His strength and toughness will be huge for us.

Brandon Rush is so much better than you guys give him credit for. He will continue to get better. He won't command huge money in free agency either. These SG's are a nothing special. Good scorer's I agree and they will get a chance. I guarantee that Brooks, Burks, and K. Thompson will be no better than Brandon Rush at the end of their rookie contract. Of course, that would require you to break down footage on the defensive end of the court and not just look at box scores.

We need front court help. We could use a guy with higher upside at PG, because when Collison loses his speed, his effectiveness will be gone, so at some point we will need a PG, but not now (unless we grab Felton today). Adding Markieff would be a great move, no matter how un-sexy.

Very good rebounder. Very good body-up defender. Smart player who moves well around the paint because he finds his openings and reads rebounds. He is a good shooter even though he didn't spend much time on the perimeter at Kansas. He will be an all around very good player, who has been coached well up to this point. I would be one of the happy few if we got Markieff.

And if I can't have Markieff early, I want Rick Jackson in the second.

Really?
06-23-2011, 12:30 PM
I have wanted Markieff since I can remember. I said that I wanted Markieff Morris over just about anybody in the draft who could reasonably fall to us. I would love it if we took Markieff. Rebounding and toughness are part of smathmouth basketball. We have Hansborough and Hibbert in our front court right now. That is it. No Foster or McRoberts. No Euro. We only have two front court players signed and Markieff can play both PF and C. He is not as long as you would like but we are drafting a third big with this pick. His strength and toughness will be huge for us.

Brandon Rush is so much better than you guys give him credit for. He will continue to get better. He won't command huge money in free agency either. These SG's are a nothing special. Good scorer's I agree and they will get a chance. I guarantee that Brooks, Burks, and K. Thompson will be no better than Brandon Rush at the end of their rookie contract. Of course, that would require you to break down footage on the defensive end of the court and not just look at box scores.

We need front court help. We could use a guy with higher upside at PG, because when Collison loses his speed, his effectiveness will be gone, so at some point we will need a PG, but not now (unless we grab Felton today). Adding Markieff would be a great move, no matter how un-sexy.

Very good rebounder. Very good body-up defender. Smart player who moves well around the paint because he finds his openings and reads rebounds. He is a good shooter even though he didn't spend much time on the perimeter at Kansas. He will be an all around very good player, who has been coached well up to this point. I would be one of the happy few if we got Markieff.

And if I can't have Markieff early, I want Rick Jackson in the second.

I like the points that you make about Morris, I guess I tend to forget that NBA has a lot to do with match ups and being flexible... It is not like he will play the whole game or tyler will play the whole game, or Hibbert will... I guess we could mix them up at different times depending on who we are playing against and who is on the floor... I don't think Markieff is the end all be all at the 4 but he seems like he could be a good contributor. He isn't at the top of my list but I would not be mad if we took him.

As far as Brandon, maybe it is just me but it seems like he hasn't gotten better any years that he has been with the Pacers... I think that all of those players have a chance to be better than BRush by the end of their rookie contract, not saying they will but I think the chance that Brooks and Burks are better than rush at that time is greater than 50%

Brad8888
06-23-2011, 12:41 PM
My guess is that Singleton is the choice with Markieff Morris a close second, unless Brandon is already traded. If Brandon is already going to be traded (which I, and many others here, suspect), then T-bird and Ford are both correct and the Pacers will select Alec Burks. Not much else makes sense given what we know at this point.

vnzla81
06-23-2011, 12:43 PM
Great post Pacersgod2, I agree with all your points, to me Markieff is going to be like an smaller version of Perkins, we would bring his bad a$$ attitude, good defense and some shot blocking to the team, he can also shoot, he would also make the team tougher, I really hope we get him I can't wait to see him and Tyler on the court at the same time.

Kstat
06-23-2011, 12:43 PM
A smaller version of Perkins wouldn't be very good... he needed every inch of that frame to get his shot off with that 2-inch vert.

A.B.Hollywood
06-23-2011, 12:44 PM
Wow Alec Burks is PLUMMETING! I'm sorry but if this guy is there I don't see how we could say no. For so long I never thought there was even a chance to land him but it *appears* like this could happen.

Look we have been clamoring for someone who can create their own shot and/or get to the line consistently. If you've watched this guys game he absolutely can do this (he has a bit of a Brandon Roy look to me).

I recall his potential after the IU game (even though he had foul trouble it was still obvious) and followed him a tad ever since.

Dude is for real and if he's there he has my vote for sure.

vnzla81
06-23-2011, 12:51 PM
A smaller version of Perkins wouldn't be very good... he needed every inch of that frame to get his shot off with that 2-inch vert.

I'm talking about toughness, Markieff is a different player, he has nice offensive moves and a jumper, his defense is also pretty good.

gknjr007
06-23-2011, 01:08 PM
Draft alec burks, then make a trade involving rush and or mcbob for anthony randolph

Kstat
06-23-2011, 01:12 PM
I'm talking about toughness, Markieff is a different player, he has nice offensive moves and a jumper, his defense is also pretty good.

You have him confused with his brother. Marcus is the one with the offensive skill set. Markiff is a spot shooter that specializes in the dirty work.

vnzla81
06-23-2011, 01:18 PM
You have him confused with his brother. Marcus is the one with the offensive skill set. Markiff is a spot shooter that specializes in the dirty work.

I know his brother, they are both similar, yes Marcus has more offensive weapons but Markieff is not that bad either, Marcus is the better player out of the two but is undersize for what we need here, Markieff would fill the bill of back up PF/C that we need and if he gets better he could possibly be an starter.

ksuttonjr76
06-23-2011, 01:36 PM
Well...here's my desired pick...Marshon Brooks.

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Can finish with both hands at the rim.
Has a postup game for a SG
Stong left-handed dribble...I thought he was left-handed until he shot the ball.
Descent (not great) footwork.
Has some stepback moves to create separation on his shots.
Good spinoff move after the contact.

Justin Tyme
06-23-2011, 01:43 PM
I have wanted Markieff since I can remember. I said that I wanted Markieff Morris over just about anybody in the draft who could reasonably fall to us. I would love it if we took Markieff. Rebounding and toughness are part of smathmouth basketball. We have Hansborough and Hibbert in our front court right now. That is it. No Foster or McRoberts. No Euro. We only have two front court players signed and Markieff can play both PF and C. He is not as long as you would like but we are drafting a third big with this pick. His strength and toughness will be huge for us.

Brandon Rush is so much better than you guys give him credit for. He will continue to get better. He won't command huge money in free agency either. These SG's are a nothing special. Good scorer's I agree and they will get a chance. I guarantee that Brooks, Burks, and K. Thompson will be no better than Brandon Rush at the end of their rookie contract. Of course, that would require you to break down footage on the defensive end of the court and not just look at box scores.

We need front court help. We could use a guy with higher upside at PG, because when Collison loses his speed, his effectiveness will be gone, so at some point we will need a PG, but not now (unless we grab Felton today). Adding Markieff would be a great move, no matter how un-sexy.

Very good rebounder. Very good body-up defender. Smart player who moves well around the paint because he finds his openings and reads rebounds. He is a good shooter even though he didn't spend much time on the perimeter at Kansas. He will be an all around very good player, who has been coached well up to this point. I would be one of the happy few if we got Markieff.

And if I can't have Markieff early, I want Rick Jackson in the second.


Marieff would be an ok pick not my 1st choice. Ricky Jackson is being to drop out of the drop the last few mocks.

Something I'm going to mention no one has or wants to think about with Hans. The Pacers need to address the PF position, b/c of the possibility of Hans with his vertigo/whatever popping up again. Everyone held their breath when he got hit in the head in the playoffs. I just don't see how you can fully count on Hans health. JMOAA

A.B.Hollywood
06-23-2011, 01:46 PM
Well...here's my desired pick...Marshon Brooks.


Can finish with both hands at the rim.
Has a postup game for a SG
Stong left-handed dribble...I thought he was left-handed until he shot the ball.
Descent (not great) footwork.
Has some stepback moves to create separation on his shots.
Good spinoff move after the contact.


I like Marshon a nice bit but I think Burks can do almost everything you say here but is more athletic, younger and a better defender. Although I don't know how well he can go left.

In either scenario though I won't be upset. Hell, I wouldn't be upset if we drafted Selby either.

Justin Tyme
06-23-2011, 01:48 PM
Draft alec burks, then make a trade involving rush and or mcbob for anthony randolph

You can't trade McBob under the CBA rules, he is a FA.

vnzla81
06-23-2011, 01:51 PM
I was looking for a good comparison to Markieff, I think he could be like Kurt Thomas not an amazing player but a real solid one.

Kstat
06-23-2011, 01:52 PM
I would say Udonis Haslem.

Trophy
06-23-2011, 01:53 PM
I was looking for a good comparison to Markieff, I think he could be like Kurt Thomas not an amazing player but a real solid one.

I compare him to Rasheed Wallace.

Both defensive players and play the post like a big man should and on the offensive end, both are able to step outside and take shots as well as play the inside like you expect from a big man.

Really?
06-23-2011, 01:55 PM
I like Marshon a nice bit but I think Burks can do almost everything you say here but is more athletic, younger and a better defender. Although I don't know how well he can go left.

In either scenario though I won't be upset. Hell, I wouldn't be upset if we drafted Selby either.

Actually heard Brooks was a better defender than Burks... Burks mid range game is not as good, Brooks driving is not as good....

vnzla81
06-23-2011, 02:06 PM
I would say Udonis Haslem.

Yeah like a bigger version of Haslem, man I would like that...

Gamble1
06-23-2011, 02:31 PM
Yeah like a bigger version of Haslem, man I would like that...
They are actually the same height and weight plus Haslem could bench more than Markieff not that adds much to the basketball court.

Really?
06-23-2011, 02:33 PM
They are actually the same height and weight plus Haslem could bench more than Markieff not that adds much to the basketball court.

Morris is 2 inches taller

Pacersalltheway10
06-23-2011, 02:36 PM
Ford said on his twitter that he was making a change with this mock draft. He said the change is 2 mid first round picks and 2 lottery players. I bet it's Burks and Singleton :(

Gamble1
06-23-2011, 02:42 PM
Morris is 2 inches taller
They have the same height without shoes so unless Morris is wearing his momma's stilettos I don't see how that is possible.

Reginald
06-23-2011, 02:44 PM
Actually heard Brooks was a better defender than Burks... Burks mid range game is not as good, Brooks driving is not as good....

Brooks himself admitted this morning on 1070 The Fan he's not the slasher people make him out to be. He said, and I quote, "My game is more like Jamal Crawford's, not Kobe's."

Justin Tyme
06-23-2011, 02:44 PM
Questions. What time is the draft, on what comcast channel, and how many minutes do teams have to make their pick?

I usually stay up to watch the WHOLE lottery, not sure I will this year.

thatch3232
06-23-2011, 02:48 PM
Can someone put 7.1 up? He has it out now.

Really?
06-23-2011, 02:48 PM
They have the same height without shoes so unless Morris is wearing his momma's stilettos I don't see how that is possible.

For Udonis they have him as 6'7.75" with shoes on and off, they have Morris as 6'7.75 with shoes off and 6'9.25 with them off, I am thinking that they messed up with the shoes off value because everyone online he is listed as 6'8"

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/?page=&year=2002&source=All&sort2=DESC&draft=0&pos=0&sort=2

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/?year=2011&sort2=DESC&draft=0&pos=0&source=2011%20NBA%20Draft%20Combine&sort=2

Really?
06-23-2011, 02:54 PM
Brooks himself admitted this morning on 1070 The Fan he's not the slasher people make him out to be. He said, and I quote, "My game is more like Jamal Crawford's, not Kobe's."

Huh thats what I just said... I already said that he seems to me like a Jamal Crawford guy...

BrazUNC
06-23-2011, 02:57 PM
Can you post 7.1? It just went up

ksuttonjr76
06-23-2011, 03:02 PM
Brooks himself admitted this morning on 1070 The Fan he's not the slasher people make him out to be. He said, and I quote, "My game is more like Jamal Crawford's, not Kobe's."

Is he sure about that? I won't really call him a slasher, but postup SGs are rare finds.

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Really?
06-23-2011, 03:18 PM
Is he sure about that? I won't really call him a slasher, but postup SGs are rare finds.

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Sit back and watch the show.. :)

Since86
06-23-2011, 03:24 PM
Questions. What time is the draft, on what comcast channel, and how many minutes do teams have to make their pick?

I usually stay up to watch the WHOLE lottery, not sure I will this year.

7:30pm on ESPN, which is channel 7 for comast in Muncie. And I think 5 minutes inbetween picks.