View Full Version : Brief update on Vogel

06-21-2011, 06:06 PM
By Darron Cummings, AP

INDIANAPOLIS (AP) It's starting to sound like a mere formality that Frank Vogel will become the Indiana Pacers' next head coach.

After being named interim coach at midseason, Frank Vogel went 20-18 down the stretch and led the Pacers to their first playoff berth since 2006.

Team president Larry Bird spoke on Tuesday as though it is just a matter of dealing with a few final details.

"He's going to get every opportunity to have this job," Bird said. "What we're doing now is just going through the process. Hopefully, it won't take more than a week or two."

Bird said he has spoken to other candidates, but a giveaway might be that he is talking specifically about assistants for Vogel.

"There's some things that I see that by bringing a top assistant here could help Frank," Bird said. "We want to do it right."

Another clue might be that Vogel is involved in preparation for Thursday's draft. Bird expects to brief Vogel on the team's draft possibilities and ask for his input. Bird said he has narrowed the list of players he wants with the No. 15 pick down to four.

"I'll discuss with him the four guys and what position they're at and get his opinion on what position he wants, or what he thinks we need," Bird said.

Bird has called Vogel the favorite from the beginning of the search, and nothing he said Tuesday indicated that has changed. He says the team has had several conversations with Vogel and that will continue until a decision is made.

Vogel took over for Jim O'Brien at midseason, went 20-18 to close the regular season and led the team to its first playoff berth since 2006. Bird said Vogel deserves an opportunity to coach, and every element involved with the team views him favorably.

"We like Frank," Bird said. "Our players like Frank. I like Frank. It's just a process that I knew was going to take a while."

Either way, the question on message boards and on the radio seems to be the same what are the Pacers waiting for?

"Larry and I said from the beginning that we were going to take our time," general manager David Morway said. "We were going to do our due diligence. We were going to spend quite a bit of time talking to Frank and research some other candidates, and when we felt we had spent some time with Frank, and he had done some of the necessary work that we'd talked about, and we had looked into some options and felt comfortable with a decision, that we would talk to (owner Herb) Simon, and that's where we are right now."

Morway said he thinks Pacers fans will appreciate the team's patience in the long run.

"I know everybody's always in a rush, and at times, it's hard to be patient," he said. "We think the process has played out the way it needed to for us to make a very good decision."

I couldnt help but laugh thinking about the bolded part of Larry discussing players pre-draft with Vogel

can you imagine how that went under OBIE?

Bird " well we need a center so were looking at players x, y, z

OBIE " well can they stretch the floor" what are their 3pt %"?

06-21-2011, 06:08 PM
It's almost comical at this point that they are just not calling him the coach.

06-21-2011, 06:26 PM
Yeah I really don't like how this coaching search has went...at all. They need to just name Vogel as the head coach. This is stupid.

06-21-2011, 06:27 PM
It's almost comical at this point that they are just not calling him the coach.

Yea, it's pretty obvious Bird just wants to officially announce the entire staff at once.

06-21-2011, 06:38 PM
If waiting to announce him and his staff means we get Brian Shaw on board too, I am perfectly ok with it.

06-21-2011, 11:17 PM
"I know everybody's always in a rush, and at times, it's hard to be patient," he said. "We think the process has played out the way it needed to for us to make a very good decision."

I find it silly that they consider it that people are in a rush for the Pacers to name a coach. It's been 2 months since our season ended? What? With how things have played out with the available coaching talent, you mean it has been impossible to make a decision yet? While I agree that we should surround Frank with talent, I also think it is silly to mandate that his hiring is dependent on who they can recruit to join him. This may be somewhat out of his control anyway.

06-24-2011, 01:54 PM

I had to bump this cuz I noticed this in the Post Draft Conference.

Watch the Post Draft Conference at http://www.nba.com/pacers/video/2011/06/24/bird110624mpg-1743158 and go to the 2:00 mark where some reporter ( don't know who ) quickly ( and deftly ) dropped in a question about whether Bird had any news on a new Coach.

My first inclination was that Bird would mention that with Shaw being hired as Lead Assistant Coach and that they are getting closer to hiring Vogel...or at the very least..."We're getting closer to putting a Coaching Staff together with the hiring of Shaw as the Lead Assistant Coach" ( even without mentioning Vogel )....but Bird abruptly answered with a "Not really".

You can interpret this any way that you want....either as Bird being Bird where he was being direct and didn't really have an answer...but I took it as "dismissive" along the lines of "I don't want to answer that now...move on" type response to the Reporter.

Regardless of how you interpret it, with the hiring of Shaw as and Assistant WHILE being interviewed by both Bird AND Vogel....to me....this is getting comical and IMHO getting to the point that I feel that it is disrespectful to Vogel himself.

I really do not know what the hold up is...I understand that the Draft probably took up a lot of time....so I guess I can give them that...but IMHO...the FO should get the ball rolling on announcing Vogel as the Head Coach soon. One may ask...what's the rush? We have all Summer to hire the Coach. To me...it's about getting your crew in Order before you set sail...regardless of what happens with the CBA negotiations.

EDIT - At the very end of the interview...the Reporters does bring up Brian Shaw...but it looks like they are going to iron out the details next week...as to what those details are...and whether that is in reference to the whole Coaching situation ( including Vogel ) or just Shaw himself...I do not know.