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JB24
06-21-2011, 12:11 PM
Chad Ford's Mock Draft, Version 6.0
By Chad Ford
ESPN.com


With the NBA draft two days away, it's time to take our first full look at how both rounds will play out Thursday. Teams continue to narrow down their lists, but with tons of trade talk and last-minute workouts taking place, there still are plenty of things up in the air.

Here's our best stab, after talking to numerous NBA team sources, at all 60 picks.


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Cleveland
(via L.A. Clippers)


Kyrie Irving

Position: PG
Height: 6-foot-4
Weight: 191 pounds
Age: 19
School: Duke
Analysis: Two days before the draft, the Cavs are still claiming they haven't made up their mind. ESPN's Ric Bucher reported the Cavs had settled on Irving on Monday, but while the report was running on the ticker, owner Dan Gilbert was meeting with Derrick Williams in Cleveland.

While sources continue to point toward Irving's being the No. 1 pick, Williams' camp is holding out hope that it has a chance. Could the Cavs still have concerns about Irving's toe? Or are they worried that at No. 4 they can't get a solid big man?



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Minnesota


Derrick Williams

Position: PF
Height: 6-9
Weight: 249
Age: 20
School: Arizona
Analysis: Still hearing the Wolves are hoping to get a great offer for the No. 2 pick. Hearing the best one they have right now is from Phoenix (Marcin Gortat and the No. 13 pick).

If they can't find a trade they like, they'll swallow hard, take Williams and work out the rest this summer via trades. If they get Williams, Michael Beasley could be gone by the time the season starts.


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Utah
(via New Jersey)


Brandon Knight

Position: PG
Height: 6-3
Weight: 177
Age: 19
School: Kentucky
Analysis: The Jazz have had virtually every prospect in the draft come in for a workout. It doesn't sound like they are in love with anyone at No. 3. Knight and Kemba Walker are both possibilities if the Jazz go with a guard. Big men Enes Kanter and Jan Vesely also are getting a look here.

I'm hearing there's a slight preference for Knight right now, but truthfully it sounds like all four players are still in the mix at No. 3.



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Cleveland


Enes Kanter

Position: C
Height: 6-11
Weight: 260
Age: 19
Country: Turkey
Analysis: We had Jonas Valanciunas in this position last week. But on Monday, we reported Valanciunas' buyout with his team in Lithuania would prohibit him from coming to the NBA next season.

The Cavs love Valanciunas, but do they love him enough to draft him even if he won't be coming to the NBA next season? I doubt it at No. 4. The Cavs have been exploring a number of trade possibilities to move down a few spots in the draft. If they stay here, I think Kanter is their guy.


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Toronto

Jan Vesely

Position: PF
Height: 6-11
Weight: 240
Age: 21
Country: Czech Republic
Analysis: Bryan Colangelo saw both Vesely and Bismack Biyombo this weekend in New York. Biyombo is a much bigger leap of faith at No. 5 than Vesely is. Kemba Walker and Kawhi Leonard are in the mix as well. But Vesley has been the favorite for a while, and I think he still is.


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Washington

Kawhi Leonard

Position: SF
Height: 6-7
Weight: 228
Age: 19
School: San Diego State
Analysis: The Wizards need rebounding and would love it if Enes Kanter was still on the board. They also have been huge fans of Vesely and would jump at the chance to take him here. But if they're both off the board, this pick comes down to Leonard, Tristan Thompson and Klay Thompson.

It might be a tough call for the Wizards, but the smart money is on Leonard. The Wizards have been all over him all year. He's tough, he's versatile and if he ever learns to really shoot the basketball ... watch out.



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Sacramento

Kemba Walker

Position: PG
Height: 6-1
Weight: 184
Age: 21
School: UConn
Analysis: This becomes a tough call if Kawhi Leonard is off the board. The Kings need help at both small forward and the point. The only other small forward to really consider here is Chris Singleton. The Kings do like him, but he might be a reach at No. 7.

Of the point guards left on the board, the Kings can choose between Walker and Jimmer Fredette. Walker might be the safer pick. He's a leader, he can play right now, and he brings toughness and character. But I'm not sure he's the best fit.

Fredette, as we've been writing for the past three weeks, is the dark horse here. The Maloof brothers love him, he's probably a better fit in the Kings' backcourt than Walker and the fans in Sacramento would love him. Also don't count out Alec Burks. Sources say he had a terrific workout in Sacramento, and the Kings think he could be a point guard at the next level. He's a long shot but worth mentioning here.



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Detroit

Bismack Biyombo

Position: PF
Height: 6-9
Weight: 243
Age: 18
Country: Congo
Analysis: We've had the Pistons taking Valanciunas the past few weeks, but with Valanciunas now planning on returning to Europe for another year, I don't think the Pistons will take the chance. With Kemba Walker also off the board, the Pistons are down to two prospects -- Biyombo and Tristan Thompson.

Thompson has upside, but from what I can gather, the team is still very high on Biyombo. The Pistons know how to develop a defensive stopper like this. This pick might come down to what happens at Tuesday's workout between Thompson and Biyombo.



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Charlotte

Marcus Morris

Position: PF
Height: 6-9
Weight: 230
Age: 21
School: Kansas
Analysis: The Bobcats have a number of needs, but sources say they are prioritizing taking a veteran college player who can contribute right away. It sounds like the team is down to Morris, Chris Singleton, Klay Thompson and Alec Burks here. Morris might be the least sexy player of the group, but he also might be the safest.



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Milwaukee

Klay Thompson

Position: PG
Height: 6-7
Weight: 206
Age: 21
School: Washington St.
Analysis: I think this pick likely comes down to Thompson and Alec Burks. They play the same position, but have different strengths. Thompson is a shooter, Burks is a slasher.

With the Bucks telling me pretty strongly that they're holding on to Brandon Jennings as their point guard, and with the team making a strong drive to get back in the playoffs, I think Thompson is a better fit.



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Golden State

Alec Burks

Position: SG
Height: 6-6
Weight: 193
Age: 19
School: Colorado
Analysis: Jerry West is a fan of Klay Thompson and likely will select him if he's still on the board. But if he's off the board, Burks is a real possibility here. The Warriors' backcourt is undersized with Stephen Curry and Monta Ellis together.

Burks brings size and athletic ability to the table as a third guard or, if the Warriors end up trading Ellis, a potential lead guard down the road.



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Utah

Chris Singleton

Position: SF
Height: 6-9
Weight: 230
Age: 21
School: Florida State
Analysis: We've had Singleton here for weeks, and we're not moving him unless the Jazz draft a forward with the No. 3 pick. With Andrei Kirilenko heading into free agency, the Jazz are going to want a defensive stopper who can guard multiple positions.

Tristan Thompson, Jimmer Fredette and Alec Burks are all possibilities here, too.



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Phoenix

Tristan Thompson

Position: PF
Height: 6-9
Weight: 228
Age: 20
School: Texas
Analysis: The Suns are in that awkward spot between pushing for the playoffs and rebuilding. Lon Babby says the team will be emphasizing defense, and Thompson could be a solid direction to go.

Thompson is one of the best offensive rebounders in the draft and fits a major need for the Suns on their front line. I'm hearing two other defensive-minded players -- Kenneth Faried and Iman Shumpert -- are in the mix at No. 13 as well.



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Houston

Jonas Valanciunas

Position: C
Height: 7-0
Weight: 245
Age: 19
Country: Lithuania
Analysis: Could the Rockets really score Valanciunas this low in the draft? Maybe. If Valanciunas isn't able to come to the NBA, a number of teams will feel pressure to draft players who can help right away. There's a chance the Bobcats, Bucks or Warriors will take him. But it's just a chance.

However, I doubt Valanciunas will slide any farther than this. The Rockets really need a center, and Valanciunas, in the long run, is worthy of a lottery pick. Nikola Vucevic also is a real possibility here.



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Indiana


Jimmer Fredette

Position: PG
Height: 6-3
Weight: 196
Age: 22
School: Brigham Young
Analysis: The Pacers could go a number of ways here, but for the fourth straight week, I think Fredette will be their man. In the meantime, the odds are growing stronger that the Kings, Jazz or Suns will take him first.

There also are teams such as the Knicks who are trying to move ahead of the Jazz at No. 12 to get him. So there's a good chance Fredette will be off the board when the Pacers draft, but if he's here, he'll be very hard to pass on. Tristan Thompson and Markieff Morris also are serious options here if both are still on the board.



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Philadelphia


Jordan Hamilton

Position: SF
Height: 6-9
Weight: 229
Age: 20
School: Texas
Analysis: The Sixers need size, but they also need shooting. With Andre Iguodala on the trading block, don't be surprised to see them grab Hamilton.

His ability to shoot the ball from range, combined with solid rebounding ability, could make him a surprise pick for Philly. Nikola Vucevic, Donatas Motiejunas and Markieff Morris are also possibilities here.



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New York


Iman Shumpert

Position: PG
Height: 6-6
Weight: 221
Age: 20
College: Georgia Tech
Analysis: The Knicks have been focusing on offense for much of the draft process, but the truth is they need some defenders. Count Shumpert as one of the best perimeter defenders in the draft. He can't shoot, but he's a great athlete who can get to the basket.

Marshon Brooks and Nikola Vucevic are other possibilities here.



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Washington
(via Atlanta)


Markieff Morris

Position: PF/C
Height: 6-9
Weight: 241
Age: 21
School: Kansas
Analysis: In this mock, we have the Wizards going with a forward at No. 6. That sets them up to grab yet more rebounding help in the paint from Morris at No. 18. Morris' size, shot-blocking and ability to stretch the defense with his shooting should make him an attractive option here.



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Charlotte
(via New Orleans)


Nikola Vucevic

Position: C
Height: 7-0
Weight: 260
Age: 20
School: USC
Analysis: The Bobcats need size, and Vucevic is the biggest player in the draft. He might not be a superstar, but he has the chance to be a very solid NBA center in the mold of a player such as Marc Gasol. Kenneth Faried and Reggie Jackson are other possibilities here.



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Minnesota
(via Memphis)


Marshon Brooks

Position: SG
Height: 6-5
Weight: 195
Age: 22
School: Providence
Analysis: The Wolves' biggest hole may be at 2-guard. Wesley Johnson played there some last season, but he's a more natural fit at the 3. Brooks is one of the two or three best scorers in the draft. He'd be a nice get here for the Wolves.



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Portland


Kenneth Faried

Position: PF
Height: 6-8
Weight: 225
Age: 21
School: Morehead State
Analysis: The Blazers fell in love with Faried last year before he withdrew from the draft. If they are fortunate enough to get a second chance at him this year, they'll grab him. His relentlessness on the boards is a nice complement to LaMarcus Aldridge's more offensive-minded style.

Markieff Morris, Tobias Harris, Iman Shumpert and Reggie Jackson are other players to watch.



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Denver


Tobias Harris

Position: PF
Height: 6-8
Weight: 223
Age: 18
School: Tennessee
Analysis: Harris may be one of the more underrated players in the draft. He can play both the 3 and 4, and he has a very high basketball IQ and an NBA body. Harris doesn't do any one thing at an elite level, but he is one of the most well-rounded players in the draft.

Iman Shumpert, Chandler Parsons and Tyler Honeycutt are other possibilities here.


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Houston
(via Orlando)


Donatas Motiejunas

Position: PF
Height: 7-0
Weight: 220
Age: 19
Country: Lithuania
Analysis: Would the Rockets really take two Lithuanians? Sure they would. Both players are vastly underrated where the Rockets are getting them, and the Rockets have always been the sort of team that takes advantage of a bargain when it sees one.



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Oklahoma City


Kyle Singler

Position: SF
Height: 6-9
Weight: 228
Age: 23
College: Duke
Analysis: I don't have Singler rated as a Top 30 prospect. But I might be mistaken. A source said the Thunder are very high on Singler and believe he could be an Andres Nocioni-type player in the NBA.

He is tough, has a good motor and will be able to knock down open shots. If he plays that role in the NBA, he's well worth the 24th pick. Nikola Mirotic is another possibility here.



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Boston


Jeremy Tyler

Position: C
Height: 6-11
Weight: 263
Age: 19
Team: Tokyo Apache
Analysis: The Celtics are going to start rebuilding soon and they need to hit a home run again the same way they did with Rajon Rondo. Tyler could be that guy. If he had played in college, he might have had a chance to be a top-10 pick with his talent.

He's long, athletic and raw, but if he succeeds, he could be a major pickup for the Celtics. JaJuan Johnson, Tyler Honeycutt, Justin Harper and Jon Leuer are also possibilities.


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Dallas


Nikola Mirotic

Position: SF
Height: 6-10
Weight: 226
Age: 21
Country: Serbia
Analysis: The Mavs likely will stay primarily a veteran team. So they'll work to add value wherever they can. Mirotic is a talented player who would go 10 spots higher if he wasn't stuck in Europe the next two or three years with a difficult contract to get out of.

But the Mavs can afford to be patient with a talent like this, and hope that in a few years, he'll be ready to step in and play right away.



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New Jersey
(via L.A. Lakers)


Reggie Jackson

Position: PG
Height: 6-3
Weight: 208
Age: 21
School: Boston College
Analysis: Jackson hasn't done any workouts, has a knee injury and isn't sharing his medical records. Why would the Nets take a player like that? Well, they, along with a lot of NBA teams, believe another team has shut down Jackson's workouts with a promise to draft him.

That shouldn't stop the Nets from grabbing Jackson anyway. Yes, they have Deron Williams. But he's not a sure thing to stay in New Jersey after next season. Even if he does, Jackson would be a terrific backup and a player who could play off the ball in certain situations.

Had he not had a knee injury just as the draft prep began, he could have gone much higher. Norris Cole, Justin Harper, Josh Selby and Chandler Parsons also are possibilities.



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Chicago
(via Miami)


Justin Harper

Position: PF
Height: 6-9
Weight: 228
Age: 21
School: Richmond
Analysis: Harper was one of the best stretch 4s in college basketball last season. He also has size and is a pretty good athlete. The Bulls need perimeter shooting and Harper should be able to give them some.

Charles Jenkins, Tyler Honeycutt and Jeremy Tyler are also possibilities.



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San Antonio


Davis Bertans

Position: SF
Height: 6-10
Weight: 210
Age: 18
Country: Latvia
Analysis: The Spurs have done a good job over the years of finding young international players and stashing them overseas for a few years until they're ready.

Bertans showed he can be a big-time shooter at the Nike Hoop Summit and adidas Eurocamp. At 18, he's worth taking a flier on and seeing what he can accomplish after another year or two in Europe.



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Chicago


Tyler Honeycutt

Position: G/F
Height: 6-8
Weight: 188
Age: 20
School: UCLA
Analysis: The Bulls need scorers in their backcourt and ultimately need to find a backup for Derrick Rose at point guard. Honeycutt wasn't a dominating scorer in college, but his versatility should make him a nice fit in Chicago.


42. Indiana Pacers

Malcolm Lee | PG | UCLA

Would the Pacers draft yet another point guard? I think so because Lee can play both backcourt positions and gives them a real defensive presence. Jimmer can let if fly on offense, but Lee can be a lockdown defender on the other end.


http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft2011/insider/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&page=MockDraft-110621

It's interesting that he mentions the exact same three names (Thompson, Morris, Fredette) that ken Berger did in yesterday's column. Could these be three of the four guys Bird is supposedly interested in?

PacerPenguins
06-21-2011, 12:18 PM
i would rather have klay thompson than fredette... i would be excited to get either though

Sparhawk
06-21-2011, 12:25 PM
I'm hoping either Tristan Thompson or Singleton are there.

I have a feeling we won't be sticking with the 15, unless a deal backfires at the last second.

Mourning
06-21-2011, 12:41 PM
Holy crap IF Jonas Valanciunas is still there at pick 12/13 I would love us to try and make a deal to move up to snatch him.

SMosley21
06-21-2011, 12:43 PM
I like the Malcolm Lee prediction.

Justin Tyme
06-21-2011, 12:54 PM
Can anyone post Ford's 2nd round? I've been waiting to see it, since he mentioned it yesterday. Thanks Justin.

Speed
06-21-2011, 12:55 PM
So are we thinking that the fierce four Bird has in mind is

Jimmer
Jonas
Tristan Thompson
Markieff Morris

In that order?

Or is it Biyombo instead of Jonas?

JB24
06-21-2011, 12:59 PM
31. Miami Heat (via Minnesota)

JaJuan Johnson | F | Purdue

The Heat are hoping that Reggie Jackson falls this far. But if a team snatches him up, Johnson would be a nice fit. He is long, shoots the ball well and has four years of experience.


32. Cleveland Cavaliers

Chandler Parsons | SF | Florida

If the Cavs get a point guard and a big man early in the draft, don't be surprised to see them reach a bit for Parsons here. He has great size, is very skilled and has been one of the best workout players in the draft.


33. Detroit Pistons (via Toronto)

Jimmy Butler | SF | Marquette

Once upon a time the Pistons were all about toughness, defense and heart. Butler epitomizes that approach with his game and should be a great fit with the Pistons as a player who can play multiple positions off the bench.


34. Washington Wizards

Travis Leslie | SG | Georgia

In this mock draft, the Wizards get two bigs in the first round. With this pick they grab, perhaps, the most athletic 2-guard in the draft. If he was a better shooter, he would be a lottery pick.


35. Sacramento Kings

Norris Cole | PG | Cleveland State

We have the Kings taking a point guard at No. 7 (Kemba Walker). Would they take another one at No. 35? I'm hearing the team is high on Cole and would roll the dice on both players if they were available.


36. New Jersey Nets

Bojan Bogdanovic | SF | Serbia

Bogdanovic was the second-leading scorer in the Euroleague this year. If he could come to the U.S. this year or next, he'd likely be a first-round pick. In the second round, he's a steal.


37. Los Angeles Clippers (via Detroit)

Josh Selby | PG | Kansas

The Clippers have always been a team willing to take chances on young college players that didn't always live up to expectations. If Selby falls this far in the draft, he's a steal here. There's nothing to lose and terrific upside.


38. Houston Rockets (via Los Angeles Clippers)

Darius Morris | PG | Michigan

The Rockets would like to add some size in the backcourt and have been fans of Morris for a while. At No. 38, he's worth the risk. He has a lot of Andre Miller to his game.


39. Charlotte Bobcats

Charles Jenkins | PG | Hofstra

Jenkins was one of the best scorers in college basketball. Add him to the mix with Marcus Morris and Jordan Hamilton and the Bobcats would seriously increase their scoring punch. Jenkins' versatility should allow him to play both the 1 and the 2.


40. Milwaukee Bucks

Jon Leuer | PF | Wisconsin

The Bucks could continue to use shooters, and Leuer is one of the two or three best shooting bigs in the draft.


41. Los Angeles Lakers (from Golden State via New Jersey)

Nolan Smith | SG | Duke

The Lakers need to replace Derek Fisher at some point and Smith would be a great candidate. They are both combo guards who have toughness and can shoot the ball. Smith would be a great fit in L.A.


42. Indiana Pacers

Malcolm Lee | PG | UCLA

Would the Pacers draft yet another point guard? I think so because Lee can play both backcourt positions and gives them a real defensive presence. Jimmer can let if fly on offense, but Lee can be a lockdown defender on the other end.


43. Chicago Bulls (via Utah)

E'Twaun Moore | SG | Purdue

The Bulls need both toughness and shooting in the backcourt, and Moore could deliver. He can play both backcourt positions and this season showed that when he gets hot, he can be a lights-out shooter.


44. Golden State Warriors (From Phoenix via Chicago)

Trey Thompkins | PF | Georgia

The Warriors could always use some low-post scoring and Thompkins actually has a lot of talent scoring in the low block. He's got to get in better shape, but at this point in the draft, he's worth the risk.


45. New Orleans (via Philadelphia)

Greg Smith | C | Fresno State

Smith is raw. But he has an NBA body, good athleticism and huge hands. He's a project, but a very solid one.


46. Los Angeles Lakers (From New York)

Malcolm Thomas | PF | San Diego State

Thomas is an elite athlete who can run the floor, rebound and block shots. He's still raw offensively, but he has lots of upside for the 46th pick.


47. Los Angeles Clippers (From Houston)

Giorgi Shermadini | C | Georgia

Shermadini is a talented big man who can really score. He may not come over for a few years, but down the road he could be a very good pickup for the Clippers.


48. Atlanta Hawks

Jordan Williams | C | Maryland

The Hawks need more size and toughness on their front line. Williams was one of the best rebounders in college basketball last season.


49. Memphis Grizzlies

Cory Joseph | PG | Texas

Mike Conley has cemented himself as the Grizzlies' point guard of the future, but Joseph could be an interesting backup down the road. He should've stayed in school, but there's raw talent there.


50. Philadelphia 76ers (From New Orleans)

Keith Benson | C | Oakland

The Sixers continue to need bigs and Benson is one of the biggest players in the draft. He's skilled and a very good athlete for his size, he just needs to get stronger and improve his motor.


51. Portland Trail Blazers

Rick Jackson | PF | Syracuse

Jackson is a tough player with a good motor who can rebound the basketball. The Blazers need more size up front and some extra toughness can't hurt either.


52. Detroit Pistons

Shelvin Mack | PG | Butler

Mack reminds me a lot of a poor man's Joe Dumars. A tough, all-around player who really defies a particular position. He should be able to find a spot in the Pistons' backcourt.


53. Orlando Magic

Scotty Hopson | SG | Tennessee

Hopson is not only one of the best athletes in the draft, but he also can shoot the ball. He was inconsistent at Tennessee, but the talent is still there.


54. Cleveland Cavaliers (From Oklahoma City via Miami)

Jereme Richmond | SF | Illinois

Richmond is an athlete and little else right now. But as a long-term project, he still has major upside.


55. Boston Celtics

Jamine Peterson | SF | NBDL

Peterson is one of the best scorers in the draft. He's a great athlete as well. He may have some question marks about his background, but the Celtics have never shied away from players like him.


56. Los Angeles Lakers

DeAndre Liggins | SG | Kentucky

It's doubtful the Lakers keep all of these second-round picks. If they do, Liggins is one of the best defenders in the draft. With Ron Artest aging, Liggins could be a solid pick here.


57. Dallas Mavericks

Mindaugas Kuzminskas | SF | Lithuania

He's a classic Lithuanian small forward -- he can shoot it, he can handle the ball and he has a great basketball IQ. He's a player you stash overseas and hope develops.


58. Los Angeles Lakers (From Miami)

Julyan Stone | SG | UTEP The Lakers like big point guards and they like defenders, and Stone fits the bill. Just don't ask him to score.


59. San Antonio Spurs

Lavoy Allen | PF | Temple

He's a big man with a soft touch and he's a good rebounder. At this point in the draft we're reaching, but there's some talent there.


60. Sacramento Kings (From Chicago via Milwaukee)
Andrew Goudelock | SG | College of Charleston

The Kings like shooters and Goudelock is one of the best in the draft.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft2011/insider/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&page=MockDraft-Round2-110621

Professor S
06-21-2011, 01:01 PM
Removing my post - pasted the 2nd round only to find out someone had beaten me to the punch. No need to clutter the thread more.

CableKC
06-21-2011, 01:01 PM
Markieff Morris' name keeps on popping up here and there in some of the Mocks that I've seen ( CBS Ken Berger's is another that mentioned the Pacers possible picking him up ).

JB24
06-21-2011, 01:01 PM
So are we thinking that the fierce four Bird has in mind is

Jimmer
Jonas
Tristan Thompson
Markieff Morris

In that order?

Or is it Biyombo instead of Jonas?

I think the fourth is either Biyombo or Brooks, with Jonas being the fifth guy that they previously thought was extremely unlikely to fall that far but is now looking like he might because of buyout issues.

CableKC
06-21-2011, 01:02 PM
Holy crap IF Jonas Valanciunas is still there at pick 12/13 I would love us to try and make a deal to move up to snatch him.
I've read that there are buyout concerns and that he may not be able to come over for another season.

JB24
06-21-2011, 01:03 PM
Markieff Morris' name keeps on popping up here and there in some of the Mocks that I've seen ( CBS Ken Berger's is another that mentioned the Pacers possible picking him up ).

Berger also mentioned Thompson- it was unclear whether he meant Klay or Tristan but i'm now thinking it might have been the latter.

Justin Tyme
06-21-2011, 01:08 PM
31. Miami Heat (via Minnesota)

JaJuan Johnson | F | Purdue

The Heat are hoping that Reggie Jackson falls this far. But if a team snatches him up, Johnson would be a nice fit. He is long, shoots the ball well and has four years of experience.


32. Cleveland Cavaliers

Chandler Parsons | SF | Florida

If the Cavs get a point guard and a big man early in the draft, don't be surprised to see them reach a bit for Parsons here. He has great size, is very skilled and has been one of the best workout players in the draft.


33. Detroit Pistons (via Toronto)

Jimmy Butler | SF | Marquette

Once upon a time the Pistons were all about toughness, defense and heart. Butler epitomizes that approach with his game and should be a great fit with the Pistons as a player who can play multiple positions off the bench.


34. Washington Wizards

Travis Leslie | SG | Georgia

In this mock draft, the Wizards get two bigs in the first round. With this pick they grab, perhaps, the most athletic 2-guard in the draft. If he was a better shooter, he would be a lottery pick.


35. Sacramento Kings

Norris Cole | PG | Cleveland State

We have the Kings taking a point guard at No. 7 (Kemba Walker). Would they take another one at No. 35? I'm hearing the team is high on Cole and would roll the dice on both players if they were available.


36. New Jersey Nets

Bojan Bogdanovic | SF | Serbia

Bogdanovic was the second-leading scorer in the Euroleague this year. If he could come to the U.S. this year or next, he'd likely be a first-round pick. In the second round, he's a steal.


37. Los Angeles Clippers (via Detroit)

Josh Selby | PG | Kansas

The Clippers have always been a team willing to take chances on young college players that didn't always live up to expectations. If Selby falls this far in the draft, he's a steal here. There's nothing to lose and terrific upside.


38. Houston Rockets (via Los Angeles Clippers)

Darius Morris | PG | Michigan

The Rockets would like to add some size in the backcourt and have been fans of Morris for a while. At No. 38, he's worth the risk. He has a lot of Andre Miller to his game.


39. Charlotte Bobcats

Charles Jenkins | PG | Hofstra

Jenkins was one of the best scorers in college basketball. Add him to the mix with Marcus Morris and Jordan Hamilton and the Bobcats would seriously increase their scoring punch. Jenkins' versatility should allow him to play both the 1 and the 2.


40. Milwaukee Bucks

Jon Leuer | PF | Wisconsin

The Bucks could continue to use shooters, and Leuer is one of the two or three best shooting bigs in the draft.


41. Los Angeles Lakers (from Golden State via New Jersey)

Nolan Smith | SG | Duke

The Lakers need to replace Derek Fisher at some point and Smith would be a great candidate. They are both combo guards who have toughness and can shoot the ball. Smith would be a great fit in L.A.


42. Indiana Pacers

Malcolm Lee | PG | UCLA

Would the Pacers draft yet another point guard? I think so because Lee can play both backcourt positions and gives them a real defensive presence. Jimmer can let if fly on offense, but Lee can be a lockdown defender on the other end.


43. Chicago Bulls (via Utah)

E'Twaun Moore | SG | Purdue

The Bulls need both toughness and shooting in the backcourt, and Moore could deliver. He can play both backcourt positions and this season showed that when he gets hot, he can be a lights-out shooter.


44. Golden State Warriors (From Phoenix via Chicago)

Trey Thompkins | PF | Georgia

The Warriors could always use some low-post scoring and Thompkins actually has a lot of talent scoring in the low block. He's got to get in better shape, but at this point in the draft, he's worth the risk.


45. New Orleans (via Philadelphia)

Greg Smith | C | Fresno State

Smith is raw. But he has an NBA body, good athleticism and huge hands. He's a project, but a very solid one.


46. Los Angeles Lakers (From New York)

Malcolm Thomas | PF | San Diego State

Thomas is an elite athlete who can run the floor, rebound and block shots. He's still raw offensively, but he has lots of upside for the 46th pick.


47. Los Angeles Clippers (From Houston)

Giorgi Shermadini | C | Georgia

Shermadini is a talented big man who can really score. He may not come over for a few years, but down the road he could be a very good pickup for the Clippers.


48. Atlanta Hawks

Jordan Williams | C | Maryland

The Hawks need more size and toughness on their front line. Williams was one of the best rebounders in college basketball last season.


49. Memphis Grizzlies

Cory Joseph | PG | Texas

Mike Conley has cemented himself as the Grizzlies' point guard of the future, but Joseph could be an interesting backup down the road. He should've stayed in school, but there's raw talent there.


50. Philadelphia 76ers (From New Orleans)

Keith Benson | C | Oakland

The Sixers continue to need bigs and Benson is one of the biggest players in the draft. He's skilled and a very good athlete for his size, he just needs to get stronger and improve his motor.


51. Portland Trail Blazers

Rick Jackson | PF | Syracuse

Jackson is a tough player with a good motor who can rebound the basketball. The Blazers need more size up front and some extra toughness can't hurt either.


52. Detroit Pistons

Shelvin Mack | PG | Butler

Mack reminds me a lot of a poor man's Joe Dumars. A tough, all-around player who really defies a particular position. He should be able to find a spot in the Pistons' backcourt.


53. Orlando Magic

Scotty Hopson | SG | Tennessee

Hopson is not only one of the best athletes in the draft, but he also can shoot the ball. He was inconsistent at Tennessee, but the talent is still there.


54. Cleveland Cavaliers (From Oklahoma City via Miami)

Jereme Richmond | SF | Illinois

Richmond is an athlete and little else right now. But as a long-term project, he still has major upside.


55. Boston Celtics

Jamine Peterson | SF | NBDL

Peterson is one of the best scorers in the draft. He's a great athlete as well. He may have some question marks about his background, but the Celtics have never shied away from players like him.


56. Los Angeles Lakers

DeAndre Liggins | SG | Kentucky

It's doubtful the Lakers keep all of these second-round picks. If they do, Liggins is one of the best defenders in the draft. With Ron Artest aging, Liggins could be a solid pick here.


57. Dallas Mavericks

Mindaugas Kuzminskas | SF | Lithuania

He's a classic Lithuanian small forward -- he can shoot it, he can handle the ball and he has a great basketball IQ. He's a player you stash overseas and hope develops.


58. Los Angeles Lakers (From Miami)

Julyan Stone | SG | UTEP The Lakers like big point guards and they like defenders, and Stone fits the bill. Just don't ask him to score.


59. San Antonio Spurs

Lavoy Allen | PF | Temple

He's a big man with a soft touch and he's a good rebounder. At this point in the draft we're reaching, but there's some talent there.


60. Sacramento Kings (From Chicago via Milwaukee)
Andrew Goudelock | SG | College of Charleston

The Kings like shooters and Goudelock is one of the best in the draft.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft2011/insider/columns/story?
columnist=ford_chad&page=MockDraft-Round2-110621



THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Pacers13Colts12
06-21-2011, 01:14 PM
Wow Shelvin is at 52? Earlier on he was going to the Bulls at the end of the 1st...what happened to him? I'd love for the Pacers to take him.

Justin Tyme
06-21-2011, 01:20 PM
Jonas being the fifth guy that they previously thought was extremely unlikely to fall that far but is now looking like he might because of buyout issues.



If Bird truly indeed made a comment about willing to wait a year on a player this might be who he was referring to.

90'sNBARocked
06-21-2011, 01:20 PM
Dear God,

Please dont give us the pressure of weather or not to draft Jimmer

Thank you

PS I think Bird is looking at Brooks, Thompson, Markief Morris, and darkhorse candidate Chris Singleton

CableKC
06-21-2011, 01:21 PM
My four for now is:

Jimmer Fredette
Alec Burk
Klay Thompson
Markieff Morris

NOTE - I would add in Tristan Thompson, but given his refusal to work out for the Pacers and another post by a PD member here that heard on the radio that Bird DOES NOT want to draft anyone that refuses to work out for the Team ( which totally fits with Bird's personality and how he views Players coming to the Team )...I'm going to guess that the Pacers will pass if Tristan Thompson falls to 15.

I am getting a gut feeling that the guy that Bird thinks WILL definitely be there ( and who the Pacers will ultimately draft ) is Markieff Morris.

90'sNBARocked
06-21-2011, 01:23 PM
My four for now is:

Jimmer Fredette
Alec Burk
Klay Thompson
Markieff Morris

NOTE - I would add in Tristan Thompson, but given his refusal to work out for the Pacers and another post by a PD member here that heard on the radio that Bird DOES NOT want to draft anyone that refuses to work out for the Team ( which totally fits with Bird's personality and how he views Players coming to the Team )...I'm going to guess that the Pacers will pass if Tristan Thompson falls to 15.

I am getting a gut feeling that the guy that Bird thinks WILL definitely be there ( and who the Pacers will ultimately draft ) is Markieff Morris.

What about Birds aledged man crush on Marshawn Brooks?

Kid Minneapolis
06-21-2011, 01:24 PM
Wow Shelvin is at 52? Earlier on he was going to the Bulls at the end of the 1st...what happened to him? I'd love for the Pacers to take him.

Ya, I have this feeling Mack is gonna be one of those insta-offense role/bench players in this league hitting killer shots at crucial moments, sorta like Eddie House or Derek Fisher.

Speed
06-21-2011, 01:25 PM
Dear God,

Please dont give us the pressure of weather or not to draft Jimmer

Thank you

PS I think Bird is looking at Brooks, Thompson, Markief Morris, and darkhorse candidate Chris Singleton

Singleton is who I want at 15, I don't think he gets there.

Gamble1
06-21-2011, 01:25 PM
My four for now is:

Jimmer Fredette
Alec Burk
Klay Thompson
Markieff Morris

NOTE - I would add in Tristan Thompson, but given his refusal to work out for the Pacers and another post by a PD member here that heard on the radio that Bird DOES NOT want to draft anyone that refuses to work out for the Team ( which totally fits with Bird's personality and how he views Players coming to the Team )...I'm going to guess that the Pacers will pass if Tristan Thompson falls to 15.

I am getting a gut feeling that the guy that Bird thinks WILL definitely be there ( and who the Pacers will ultimately draft ) is Markieff Morris.
Totally agree with Markieff. I think you probably should replace Burks with Brooks but Burks could be the one guy that drops that Bird didn't expect to drop and rates him higher than the rest.

bphil
06-21-2011, 01:26 PM
What about Birds aledged man crush on Marshawn Brooks?

I don't believe Bird has made any specific comments regarding Brooks, has he? The only thing I've seen is a report that he smiled during his workout or something, but that could have just been gas...

90'sNBARocked
06-21-2011, 01:29 PM
I don't believe Bird has made any specific comments regarding Brooks, has he? The only thing I've seen is a report that he smiled during his workout or something, but that could have just been gas...

no, I believe your right, my bad not a "direct quote" but it was reported by Wells and some other writers that Bird was blown away or really loved Brooks workout

Justin Tyme
06-21-2011, 01:30 PM
I've read that there are buyout concerns and that he may not be able to come over for another season.


1 year is nothing compared to how long we've been waiting on Lorbek & Stanco. Not to mention Stephenson was a lost year, and so was Tyler's rookie year. Not to mention Dunleavy and Foster's year off. I'm not a patient person, but for true talent I can wait a year.

Speed
06-21-2011, 01:30 PM
Who where the 3 that Clark and Denari mentioned in that STH breakfast thing, does anyone remember?

found it

http://www.pacersdigest.com/apache2-default/showthread.php?t=65018&highlight=breakfast

Marshon Brooks, Tobias Harris, Jimmer in that order.

Kegboy
06-21-2011, 01:31 PM
I'm sure this has been talked about before, but what's Ford's track record like? I don't mean to be critical, but a lot of this just seems off the wall to me.

Oh, and for the love of all things holy, do not let Miami draft JaJuan. Somebody's going to need to keep sharp objects away from me if that happens.

:suicide4:

CableKC
06-21-2011, 01:33 PM
Berger also mentioned Thompson- it was unclear whether he meant Klay or Tristan but i'm now thinking it might have been the latter.
See my response above regarding Tristan....but when I first heard that he declined an invitation to work out for the Pacers....my first reaction was "screw him, I don't want that type of Player to be on my Team if he ". My guess is that Bird thinks the same way.

ChristianDudley
06-21-2011, 01:33 PM
I don't really want Jimmer...He'd bring more media to the team I'd think, but we dont' need a guy to heave it from halfcourt whenever he wants, and then play no D on the other end. I do like the Malcolm Lee prediction, though. I wouldn't mind us using our 2nd round pick on him.

90'sNBARocked
06-21-2011, 01:35 PM
I'm sure this has been talked about before, but what's Ford's track record like? I don't mean to be critical, but a lot of this just seems off the wall to me.

Oh, and for the love of all things holy, do not let Miami draft JaJuan. Somebody's going to need to keep sharp objects away from me if that happens.

:suicide4:

Unfortunately Ford is about the most accurate in terms of Pacers picks. If I remember, not only was he one of the few that pegged us taking Tyler but also are interest in Rush

Please I hope someone takes Jimmer ahead of us. Just like I felt about Gordon last year. Dowt want that pressure

CableKC
06-21-2011, 01:36 PM
What about Birds aledged man crush on Marshawn Brooks?
IMHO...Brooks is a red-herring...a ruse....a flip-flopped green spotted frog put in place to distract us fans and Teams from deriving Bird's true target.

90'sNBARocked
06-21-2011, 01:36 PM
See my response above regarding Tristan....but when I first heard that he declined an invitation to work out for the Pacers....my first reaction was "screw him, I don't want that type of Player to be on my Team if he ". My guess is that Bird thinks the same way.

yeah but if someone like Detroit , for example, promised to pick him at 8, then what he is doing is actually curteosy no?

Justin Tyme
06-21-2011, 01:37 PM
[QUOTE=90'sNBARocked;1254029]

Dear God,

Please dont give us the pressure of weather or not to draft Jimmer

Thank you /QUOTE]


Yes yes please!

PR07
06-21-2011, 01:37 PM
but we dont' need a guy to heave it from halfcourt whenever he wants, and then play no D on the other end.

Doesn't this sound kind of like Granger? :lolchair:

I Love P
06-21-2011, 01:38 PM
I'll be sitting in VIP Thursday night and if Markieff Morris is our selection the loud "boo" you'll hear will be me. Please not another Kansas player. I hope we learned from the Brandon Rush selection. This guy has Wayne Simien written all across him.

90'sNBARocked
06-21-2011, 01:38 PM
IMHO...Brooks is a red-herring...a ruse....a flip-flopped green spotted frog put in place to distract us fans and Teams from deriving Bird's true target.

"communism is a red-herring", lol but you dont rememebr what movie that line came from?

I dont think Bird is that slick, in terms of approach, he made no secret he liked Tyler, then drafted him

CableKC
06-21-2011, 01:39 PM
Dear God,

Please dont give us the pressure of weather or not to draft Jimmer

Thank you

PS I think Bird is looking at Brooks, Thompson, Markief Morris, and darkhorse candidate Chris Singleton
Most Mocks that I have been seeing have Singleton not falling past the Jazz or the Warriors.

If Jimmer is not there and Singleton is there...I'd take him and not blink. Can you imagine seeing Singleton flying out of nowhere to swat some drive by DWade or DRose? He is the very definition of the type of Smashmouth Forward that I want on the Team.

PR07
06-21-2011, 01:41 PM
Most Mocks that I have been seeing have Singleton not falling past the Jazz or the Warriors.

If Jimmer is not there and Singleton is there...I'd take him and not blink. Can you imagine seeing Singleton flying out of nowhere to swat some drive by DWade or DRose? He is the very definition of the type of Smashmouth Forward that I want on the Team.

Plus, can you imagine George and Singleton defensively on the wings? Opposing perimeter players would just want to take their ball and go home.

90'sNBARocked
06-21-2011, 01:41 PM
Most Mocks that I have been seeing have Singleton not falling past the Jazz or the Warriors.

If Jimmer is not there and Singleton is there...I'd take him and not blink. Can you imagine seeing Singleton flying out of nowhere to swat some drive by DWade or DRose? He is the very definition of the type of Smashmouth Forward that I want on the Team.

Yep, and then maybe slap Rush around for having the audacity to have the label "defensive stopper" in his presence

:)

JB24
06-21-2011, 01:42 PM
I'm sure this has been talked about before, but what's Ford's track record like? I don't mean to be critical, but a lot of this just seems off the wall to me.

Oh, and for the love of all things holy, do not let Miami draft JaJuan. Somebody's going to need to keep sharp objects away from me if that happens.

:suicide4:

Picks 18-60 seem a little off the wall, but he seems pretty clued in with regards to the first 16 or 17 picks.

As for his track record, i've read on here that his Wednesday night/ Thursday morning mocks tend to be the most accurate.

CableKC
06-21-2011, 01:43 PM
1 year is nothing compared to how long we've been waiting on Lorbek & Stanco. Not to mention Stephenson was a lost year, and so was Tyler's rookie year. Not to mention Dunleavy and Foster's year off. I'm not a patient person, but for true talent I can wait a year.
I agree....if he is as good as everyone says he is...I have no problem waiting on a year as well if he falls to 15.

I'd just hope that if Bird does pull the trigger that we'd be looking to buy another pick.

CableKC
06-21-2011, 01:45 PM
Picks 18-60 seem a little off the wall, but he seems pretty clued in with regards to the first 16 or 17 picks.

As for his track record, i've read on here that his Wednesday night/ Thursday morning mocks tend to be the most accurate.
To be fair.....anything after the 14th pick is pretty much a TOTAL crapshoot for anybody predicting who will fall where.

CableKC
06-21-2011, 01:54 PM
"communism is a red-herring", lol but you dont rememebr what movie that line came from?
I am a fountain of useless information.....this was uttered by Tim Curry ( the Butler ) in the gimmicky re-make of the classic Board Game "Clue" ( yes, someone made a movie based off of "Clue" in the mid 80s/90s ).

And yes, that was what I was thinking of when I responded in my post. ;)

Speed
06-21-2011, 01:54 PM
I think the 15 Ford has listed can all help the Pacers. To me, the consensus drop off looks like its after 15. Thats a good thing.

CableKC
06-21-2011, 01:55 PM
Yep, and then maybe slap Rush around for having the audacity to have the label "defensive stopper" in his presence

:)
Singleton isn't a defensive stopper.....offenses stop for Singleton when he steps onto the floor.

CableKC
06-21-2011, 02:03 PM
Unfortunately Ford is about the most accurate in terms of Pacers picks. If I remember, not only was he one of the few that pegged us taking Tyler but also are interest in Rush

Please I hope someone takes Jimmer ahead of us. Just like I felt about Gordon last year. Dowt want that pressure
That's the problem... if Jimmer is on the board....that means that better players are off the board....who'd picking Jimmer over another Player that he'd be pressuring you into picking?

Justin Tyme
06-21-2011, 02:09 PM
I would really like Bird to pull a rabbit out of his, ok hat, and move up in the 2nd round to the 35-36 pick and get 1A Darius Morris or 1B Jon Leuer. Then trade with the Lakers for their 46 or 47 pick to acquire Ricky Jackson or Shelvin Mack.

Justin Tyme
06-21-2011, 02:17 PM
I'll be sitting in VIP Thursday night and if Markieff Morris is our selection the loud "boo" you'll hear will be me. This guy has Wayne Simien written all across him.


One thing he doesn't have written all across him is DALE DAVIS. He's not a pick I'd be thrilled about, but I'd rather have him than JIMMER. The thought of Jimmer being the Pacers draft pick just makes me ill.

The Jackson shimmy
06-21-2011, 02:19 PM
See my response above regarding Tristan....but when I first heard that he declined an invitation to work out for the Pacers....my first reaction was "screw him, I don't want that type of Player to be on my Team if he ". My guess is that Bird thinks the same way.

True.

On the other hand, if an NBA GM/Prez, etc. wanted to throw others off
the scent and feign a complete lack of interest in (or disdain for) a player,
having said player make a public show of refusing to work out with my
team wouldn't be a bad way to do so.

MyFavMartin
06-21-2011, 02:22 PM
Bilas has Jordan Hamilton as his top SG prospect. Is he smoking something or am I missing something?

Speed
06-21-2011, 02:26 PM
Bilas has Jordan Hamilton as his top SG prospect. Is he smoking something or am I missing something?

Bilas's rating are horrific! He has someone, I think Brandon Knight in the high teens or 20s, maybe.

90'sNBARocked
06-21-2011, 02:37 PM
I am a fountain of useless information.....this was uttered by Tim Curry ( the Butler ) in the gimmicky re-make of the classic Board Game "Clue" ( yes, someone made a movie based off of "Clue" in the mid 80s/90s ).

And yes, that was what I was thinking of when I responded in my post. ;)

LOL, sweet , but I guess wereshowing are age here

:)

The Sleeze
06-21-2011, 02:43 PM
LOL, sweet , but I guess wereshowing are age here

:)

YES! I LOVE Clue, that movie is awesome. Whenever I am trying to add something I always think of this line:

http://www.moviesounds.com/clue/bullets.wav

90'sNBARocked
06-21-2011, 02:46 PM
The one thing I remember cool about the movie Clue was, it had 3 possible, different endings

Really?
06-21-2011, 02:54 PM
So are we thinking that the fierce four Bird has in mind is

Jimmer
Jonas
Tristan Thompson
Markieff Morris

In that order?

Or is it Biyombo instead of Jonas?

It's not Jonas at all I don't believe... he just recently became close to available for us. The only reason he has slipped is because he won't be able to play until 2012 season.

But yeah I am starting to think we will be going Big either 4 or 5 with our draft pick.

This all comes from the weird and almost desturbing comment that I heard Bird make about Lance being the best player on the team...

If that is how he feels he will definitely want to open up as many opportunities as he can to get him PT at the 1 and 2, that means no Brooks, no Burks, no Jimmer, possibly Malcolm Lee in the 2nd though because so far none of our points can play D, and Jimmer would just add to that inability...

troyc11a
06-21-2011, 02:55 PM
Bilas's rating are horrific! He has someone, I think Brandon Knight in the high teens or 20s, maybe.

Bilas was just on ESPN and had Knight ging 3rd overall.
Also, Jordan Hamilton will be an excellent pro. I heard Bob Knight and others claim he was the best overall offensive player in College BB last year. He can create his own shot, elevate over, go around players, and moves without the ball better than anyone. I would want him b4 any other sg including Thompson who is a great shooter but not nearly the athlete Hamilton is.

troyc11a
06-21-2011, 02:57 PM
It's not Jonas at all I don't believe... he just recently became close to available for us. The only reason he has slipped is because he won't be able to play until 2012 season.

But yeah I am starting to think we will be going Big either 4 or 5 with our draft pick.

This all comes from the weird and almost desturbing comment that I heard Bird make about Lance being the best player on the team...

If that is how he feels he will definitely want to open up as many opportunities as he can to get him PT at the 1 and 2, that means no Brooks, no Burks, no Jimmer, possibly Malcolm Lee in the 2nd though because so far none of our points can play D, and Jimmer would just add to that inability...

Birds Fantastic Four?:

Jordan Hamilton
Klay Thompson
Marcus Morris
Chris Singleton

(My guess is as good as anyones since Bird wont tell)

Really?
06-21-2011, 03:07 PM
Bilas has Jordan Hamilton as his top SG prospect. Is he smoking something or am I missing something?

I personally don't like Jordan Hamilton, but I could see how Bilas could make that argument, who are all the 2's Burks, Brooks, Thompson... It really isn't that strong of a group actually, Thompson has a good shot but is questionable in a lot of other areas, Burks is a scorer but can't stretch the court and someone notified me yesterday of his questionable defensive skills, Brooks is perceived as completely overrated and only really shot up due to 3 on 3 workouts.

As far as Brandon Knight maybe not 20 but I wouldn't be afraid to put him in the teens, he will be drafted as a 1 not a 2 where he has so much work to do, his smarts and basketball IQ will really help him look good but I think drafting him #3 is super high.

Too many teams looking for a PG of the future, this has really pushed his stock up a lot (p.s. I know this is a weak draft)

troyc11a
06-21-2011, 03:13 PM
I personally don't like Jordan Hamilton, but I could see how Bilas could make that argument, who are all the 2's Burks, Brooks, Thompson... It really isn't that strong of a group actually, Thompson has a good shot but is questionable in a lot of other areas, Burks is a scorer but can't stretch the court and someone notified me yesterday of his questionable defensive skills, Brooks is perceived as completely overrated and only really shot up due to 3 on 3 workouts.

As far as Brandon Knight maybe not 20 but I wouldn't be afraid to put him in the teens, he will be drafted as a 1 not a 2 where he has so much work to do, his smarts and basketball IQ will really help him look good but I think drafting him #3 is super high.

Too many teams looking for a PG of the future, this has really pushed his stock up a lot (p.s. I know this is a weak draft)

I have a bitter hatred for the U of Kentucky and I still think Knight will be a good player. I bet you he goes top 5 because of what you said about pg's. True pg's are a rare find. With the exception of a dominate Center, there is no more valuable player on the court than the pg. He is in control of the game and has the ball in his hands the most. Knight is smart too - 4.0 gpa.

I also agree about the sg draft too. Being the best doesnt mean a whole lot this year!

CableKC
06-21-2011, 03:32 PM
The one thing I remember cool about the movie Clue was, it had 3 possible, different endings
I recall that I was young and stupid enough to go see that movie twice for the different endings. :zip:

pacer4ever
06-21-2011, 04:38 PM
Bilas's rating are horrific! He has someone, I think Brandon Knight in the high teens or 20s, maybe.

If he is gonna play pg at the next level? that isn't to far off he is a top 10 talent but a major project to become a good pg IMO.

JB24
06-21-2011, 04:41 PM
I didn't know where else to put this, but one trade on draft night that could mix things up a bit:


I'm told that if the prospect Milwaukee covets (I suspect Valanciunas) isn't available at 10, they will trade the pick to Houston for 14+23.


http://twitter.com/#!/DraftExpress/status/83224657129508864

ECKrueger
06-21-2011, 04:42 PM
Plllleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease no Jimmer! Please!

pacer4ever
06-21-2011, 04:45 PM
I didn't know where else to put this, but one trade on draft night that could mix things up a bit:



http://twitter.com/#!/DraftExpress/status/83224657129508864

That would be a stupid trade for Huston those 2 picks can get you 2 good players IMO.

Hicks
06-21-2011, 04:46 PM
I didn't know where else to put this, but one trade on draft night that could mix things up a bit:



http://twitter.com/#!/DraftExpress/status/83224657129508864

Maybe start a thread for all non-Pacer trade rumors leading up to draft night?

itzryan07
06-21-2011, 04:47 PM
whats up with all of these pgs? we are loaded with pgs. DC, Lance, Aj. and drafting Jimmer would make it more piled up.

Mourning
06-21-2011, 05:39 PM
I've read that there are buyout concerns and that he may not be able to come over for another season.

I don't care. I hope we just pick up some decent bench material this off-season and go all out in next years free agency which is a lot more enticing then this years class or leading make some clever trades leading up until next years FA summer with teams that have a huge payroll and want to shed some of that.

Either way, let him play there and continue his development. He's going to get more playing time there and against decent competition aswell, while making his mistakes due to a lack of experience and youth on another team. Then next year he comes over. A year older, wiser, stronger, more experienced, etc.

Not too mention he would be a superb backup for Hibbert initially, while if he develops as hoped for he could take over the starting job from Hibbert. It would give us some nice options at C. He can play PF too, but I'm not sure if he and Hibbert on the floor at the sametime would be such a good idea, but why not atleast try it.

90'sNBARocked
06-21-2011, 05:43 PM
I recall that I was young and stupid enough to go see that movie twice for the different endings. :zip:

lol

I humbly , shamely admit I saw the movie Grease 5 times

yes, someone with a checkered background from Brooklyn saw Grease 5 times

"Confidentially, I am crazy, you tell anyone and I'll funkin kill you"

I didnt see clue at the movies but rented the VHS (lol) and it had all the endings

Justin Tyme
06-21-2011, 05:47 PM
I don't care. I hope we just pick up some decent bench material this off-season and go all out in next years free agency which is a lot more enticing then this years class or leading make some clever trades leading up until next years FA summer with teams that have a huge payroll and want to shed some of that.

Either way, let him play there and continue his development. He's going to get more playing time there and against decent competition aswell, while making his mistakes due to a lack of experience and youth on another team. Then next year he comes over. A year older, wiser, stronger, more experienced, etc.

Not too mention he would be a superb backup for Hibbert initially, while if he develops as hoped for he could take over the starting job from Hibbert. It would give us some nice options at C. He can play PF too, but I'm not sure if he and Hibbert on the floor at the sametime would be such a good idea, but why not atleast try it.


Sounds good to me, but if it sounds good it won't happen.

TheDon
06-21-2011, 05:49 PM
I think the slogan for this draft should be "NBA DRAT 2011 GET THE F OUT OF IT"

Kstat
06-21-2011, 06:35 PM
Chad Ford sums up Detroit's situation:


I'm hearing that if either Kawhi Leonard or Kemba Walker is on the board at No. 8, the Pistons are likely to take one of them. If both are gone, it's down to Biyombo, Tristan Thompson and Markieff Morris. The Pistons really like Valanciunas as well, but sources claim they aren't willing to wait a year to get him.

pacer4ever
06-21-2011, 06:47 PM
Chad Ford sums up Detroit's situation:


WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Kemba Walker could be the player dropping in lottery, especially because sources say Toronto (5th pick) and Detroit (8th) will pass on him..

Kstat
06-21-2011, 06:49 PM
interesting. Since Chad Ford basically takes up his summer home in Joe's office, I'll take his word first, not that I'm thrilled about it mind you.

Speed
06-21-2011, 06:54 PM
Bilas was just on ESPN and had Knight ging 3rd overall.
Also, Jordan Hamilton will be an excellent pro. I heard Bob Knight and others claim he was the best overall offensive player in College BB last year. He can create his own shot, elevate over, go around players, and moves without the ball better than anyone. I would want him b4 any other sg including Thompson who is a great shooter but not nearly the athlete Hamilton is.

Maybe it was Kemba he had low, i'm going off of what they were showing on the ticker on the ESPNU predraft show last night.

The Sleeze
06-21-2011, 07:05 PM
lol

I humbly , shamely admit I saw the movie Grease 5 times

yes, someone with a checkered background from Brooklyn saw Grease 5 times

"Confidentially, I am crazy, you tell anyone and I'll funkin kill you"

I didnt see clue at the movies but rented the VHS (lol) and it had all the endings

And 80% of Pacers Digest just thought, "What's a VHS?"

ECKrueger
06-21-2011, 07:12 PM
I think more than 20% of PDers know what a VHS is. I am 20 and I know.

The Sleeze
06-21-2011, 07:26 PM
I think more than 20% of PDers know what a VHS is. I am 20 and I know.

It was a joke ;)

Pacersalltheway10
06-21-2011, 07:27 PM
#10 for #14 and #23? dang it. I want that #10 pick and Larry Sanders.

#14, Larry Sanders for Rush and #15?

ECKrueger
06-21-2011, 07:32 PM
It was a joke ;)

You say that now. After I out-smarted you.

90'sNBARocked
06-21-2011, 07:51 PM
Chad Ford sums up Detroit's situation:
I think they really want Lenoard from what I read

Unless they dont want to sign Stuckey and Walker is available

Really?
06-21-2011, 08:14 PM
I think they really want Lenoard from what I read

Unless they dont want to sign Stuckey and Walker is available

Heard Jonas was big on their list...

Psyren
06-21-2011, 09:02 PM
Why do so many people on here hate Jimmer?

I know the answer I'll likely be getting is that he can't play defense.

Last time I checked, none of our PG's were too great at it. However, Jimmer CAN score. Oh, someone's going to say "he's too small"? So is Darren, but Darren did ok. Sure he got some shots blocked and can't shoot over 6'8 guys that rotate on him, but a lot of PG's can't shoot over guys that big.

I just don't know why so many people are on the "Anti-Jimmer" campaign.

He's not my first choice at all, but I certainly wouldn't be mad if we picked him. Still, I think he'll be off the board before us so it likely won't matter.

I just don't understand the massive hatred for him that some of you have.

Kemo
06-21-2011, 09:17 PM
LOL no offense, but do people here REALLY have to quote a post that is already 4 feet long?!?!?


SERIOUSLY ...

Pacersalltheway10
06-21-2011, 10:12 PM
Why do so many people on here hate Jimmer?

I know the answer I'll likely be getting is that he can't play defense.

Last time I checked, none of our PG's were too great at it. However, Jimmer CAN score. Oh, someone's going to say "he's too small"? So is Darren, but Darren did ok. Sure he got some shots blocked and can't shoot over 6'8 guys that rotate on him, but a lot of PG's can't shoot over guys that big.

I just don't know why so many people are on the "Anti-Jimmer" campaign.

He's not my first choice at all, but I certainly wouldn't be mad if we picked him. Still, I think he'll be off the board before us so it likely won't matter.

I just don't understand the massive hatred for him that some of you have.

So you suggest that we have 3 small SG/ scoring PG who arent great at defense? :hmm: just seems redundant then. Collison wasnt a bad defender in college and played against some good competition at UCLA . Jimmer was HORRIBLE at defense at BYU, a school who played in the Moutain West Conference. :hmm:

Kid Minneapolis
06-22-2011, 12:26 AM
The most overriding factor for drafting Jimmer is purely financial... the ticket and merchandise sales, marketing and TV scheduling generated by that kid would be a boon to the Pacers franchise for at least a half a season, as the world determines if he's NBA material or not. The Pacers would pick up a huge chunk of fans that follow him from BYU. Lotta Facebook exposure. If he ends up being a decent player in the NBA, that's just icing on the cake. On purely immediate financial terms, Jimmer would be aces over any other draft pick. Long-term? Who knows.

MyFavMartin
06-22-2011, 01:00 AM
Is it crazy that if I were Cleveland, I'd strongly consider taking DWill at #1 (he's a DG-like SF) and Kemba Walker at #4? I just have a feeling that both of those guys are going to be really good and not sold on Kyrie Irving (or Knight, for that matter).

bphil
06-22-2011, 08:07 AM
Is it crazy that if I were Cleveland, I'd strongly consider taking DWill at #1 (he's a DG-like SF) and Kemba Walker at #4? I just have a feeling that both of those guys are going to be really good and not sold on Kyrie Irving (or Knight, for that matter).

This is exactly what I would do. DWill is the best player in this draft, and you're still going to get a solid PG at 4. Teams are obsessed with PGs because of Rose, but look at the two teams in the finals this year... both were dominated by forwards and SGs.

The Sleeze
06-22-2011, 09:54 AM
You say that now. After I out-smarted you.

That's it, it's go time! If only I knew which direction West Lafayette was from Lafayette......damn, you're safe for now.

Reginald
06-22-2011, 10:07 AM
The most overriding factor for drafting Jimmer is purely financial... the ticket and merchandise sales, marketing and TV scheduling generated by that kid would be a boon to the Pacers franchise for at least a half a season, as the world determines if he's NBA material or not. The Pacers would pick up a huge chunk of fans that follow him from BYU. Lotta Facebook exposure. If he ends up being a decent player in the NBA, that's just icing on the cake. On purely immediate financial terms, Jimmer would be aces over any other draft pick. Long-term? Who knows.

Huh? For every person I know who loves Jimmer, there's someone who hates him. For sure he has a built-in LDS fanbase, but he also has a built-in fanbase of people (me included) who think he's a selfish shooter with suspect athleticism.

I want a scorer, not a shooter. Give me someone who can create his own shot even when the perimeter is defended. And that is NOT Jimmer.

Pacers13Colts12
06-22-2011, 10:08 AM
Just think how the Mormon population in Indy would boom...first Austin Collie, now Jimmer

Gamble1
06-22-2011, 10:17 AM
The most overriding factor for drafting Jimmer is purely financial... the ticket and merchandise sales, marketing and TV scheduling generated by that kid would be a boon to the Pacers franchise for at least a half a season, as the world determines if he's NBA material or not. The Pacers would pick up a huge chunk of fans that follow him from BYU. Lotta Facebook exposure. If he ends up being a decent player in the NBA, that's just icing on the cake. On purely immediate financial terms, Jimmer would be aces over any other draft pick. Long-term? Who knows.
Sorry if I am not buying that snake oil. Do you honestly believe that Bird would draft a guy who in your words would only impact the revenue for half a season.

IF Bird drafts Jimmer its because he thinks he impacts winning and the last time I checked thats the best way to increase revenue.


So you suggest that we have 3 small SG/ scoring PG who arent great at defense? :hmm: just seems redundant then. Collison wasnt a bad defender in college and played against some good competition at UCLA . Jimmer was HORRIBLE at defense at BYU, a school who played in the Moutain West Conference. :hmm:
I won't even consider AJ as apart of the team if we draft Jimmer. The guy will be on the roster but he won't play unless there are injuries.

Kid Minneapolis
06-22-2011, 10:33 AM
Huh? For every person I know who loves Jimmer, there's someone who hates him. For sure he has a built-in LDS fanbase, but he also has a built-in fanbase of people (me included) who think he's a selfish shooter with suspect athleticism.

I want a scorer, not a shooter. Give me someone who can create his own shot even when the perimeter is defended. And that is NOT Jimmer.

My comment was purely financial. Has nothing to do with his skills. I never said he was good or bad (I actually think he has potential), but you took completely the wrong point from my comment. Whether you hate him or not, he would bring cash into this franchise.

Kid Minneapolis
06-22-2011, 10:34 AM
Sorry if I am not buying that snake oil. Do you honestly believe that Bird would draft a guy who in your words would only impact the revenue for half a season.

Never said he would or wouldn't. I said that it's an overriding factor... that goes for *any* franchise. The franchise that selects Jimmer will have a financial windfall for at least half a season (not "only"... "at least").

Really?
06-22-2011, 10:58 AM
One thing that I will say, when we drafted Tyler I wasn't too excited about it, and felt it was the wrong move. Although Tyler might not have turned out to be the best person from that draft that we could have got he did turn out pretty well, way above my standards....

So if we draft Jimmer I will go in with the mindset of a wait and see approach, I am actually higher on Jimmer than I was on Tyler. But as someone said it is kind of a redundant move looking at our current 1's but all of them offer something a little different, but there are many similarities between them and Jimmer.

aceace
06-22-2011, 11:47 AM
I would go with Brooks over Jimmer, and i'm taking Isaiah Thomas out of Washington in the 2nd rnd.

MyFavMartin
06-22-2011, 11:57 AM
I would go with Brooks over Jimmer...

I agree. The thought of Brooks alongside AJ Price or Lance with the second squad intrigues me.

As for Thomas, I think we're fine at PG and need to address other needs... Jordan Williams, JaJuan Johnson, Harper... FC help... though Jimmy Butler intrigues me.

ECKrueger
06-22-2011, 02:58 PM
That's it, it's go time! If only I knew which direction West Lafayette was from Lafayette......damn, you're safe for now.

It is summer, I am not there :)

Psyren
06-22-2011, 04:05 PM
I agree. The thought of Brooks alongside Lance or someone, anyone other than AJ Price with the second squad intrigues me.

As for Thomas, I think we're fine at PG and need to address other needs... Jordan Williams, JaJuan Johnson, Harper... FC help... though Jimmy Butler intrigues me.

Fixed.

Please, please, please no more AJ Price. I love the idea of Brooks with the second unit though.

Reginald
06-22-2011, 04:46 PM
The franchise that selects Jimmer will have a financial windfall for at least half a season (not "only"... "at least").

A windfall? Really? Pure, unfounded speculation. Almost as unfounded as people last year claiming Gordon Hayward could miraculously fill Conseco even though he could never fill Hinkle. Outside of Salt Lake City, Jimmer's mystique isn't nearly the PR opportunity you think it is.

ilive4sports
06-22-2011, 05:08 PM
Just think how the Mormon population in Indy would boom...first Austin Collie, now Jimmer

You mean it didn't boom when Scot Pollard was here?

dal9
06-22-2011, 06:15 PM
@ link, Stu Amick mock...I think its new
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/sam_amick/06/22/mock.draft.4/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

Bismack at 8,
K Thompson at 10,
Jimmer at 12,
Vucevic (!) at 14
Burks to Pacers at 15,
Marcus Morris at 19
M Brooks at 20
Faried at 21
Mack at 30

dal9
06-22-2011, 06:16 PM
You mean it didn't boom when Scot Pollard was here?

Damn, Pollard's crazy azz was a Mormon?...wouldn't have guessed