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Sandman21
06-20-2011, 08:36 PM
http://www.nba.com/pacers/news/larry_bird_live_110620.html

10:30 is Pacers.com only, 11am is local and national media.

Scot Pollard
06-20-2011, 08:40 PM
turn up the lights.

BringJackBack
06-20-2011, 08:43 PM
Hmm...? Is Vogel finally ours?

Sandman21
06-20-2011, 08:46 PM
Says its about the draft.

granger33
06-20-2011, 08:47 PM
He will say the same as always. Got his eyes on a few guys, that will improve roster

Hicks
06-20-2011, 08:47 PM
Doesn't seem like a Vogel announcement to me. I think they'd label it at least generically as an announcement if it were.

This is the annual "I have X guys I like, and at least Y of them will be there," "We're going to get someone who can help us", "Always open to the possibility of trades" press conference.

ChristianDudley
06-20-2011, 08:47 PM
I think I remember Bird having these types of press conferences for at least the past few years now-- a few days leading up to the Draft he'll basically say "Oh well I'm not sure who we'll pick, but if Chris Paul would be in this Draft I'd definitely take him" blah blah blah...I don't think he'll leak any major news but who knows. I would love for him to publicly name Vogel the head coach tomorrow while announcing Brian Shaw in as lead assistant.

pacer4ever
06-20-2011, 08:47 PM
Says its about the draft.

yes they always do a pre draft presser and they will do a post draft presser also.

Hicks
06-20-2011, 08:52 PM
Honestly, I think the only reason they do this is for some slight local publicity for the news channels to run with on their evening news cycles.

Ozwalt72
06-20-2011, 09:34 PM
Honestly, I think the only reason they do this is for some slight local publicity for the news channels to run with on their evening news cycles.

Kind of a "Hey, don't forget about us!" type thing in my opinion.

pwee31
06-20-2011, 09:37 PM
You want to build buzz around the draft. Get fans interested in your selection, and in the team

Heisenberg
06-20-2011, 09:46 PM
Honestly, I think the only reason they do this is for some slight local publicity for the news channels to run with on their evening news cycles.
Nah. It's for the Digest to scrutinize every joke he makes towards Mike Wells within an inch of its' life.

PR07
06-20-2011, 10:13 PM
There will also be the obligatory question on whether the Pacers like Butler's Mack and Howard where Bird will answer, "Both guys are winning players and will help out a team. We like them just like we like a lot of guys."

Justin Tyme
06-20-2011, 10:55 PM
they will do a post draft presser also.


Where they spin stories about the players picked to whip up support and enthusiasm for their picks. They try and sell the package of how good these players will be with their hype. They had Pacer fandom whipped in a frenzy believing Stephenson and Rolle were faster than a speeding, stronger than a locomotive, and could jump to the top of tall buildings in a single bound. SOS, trying to sell the new players while hoping they will sell more season tickets. Out of both, Stephenson and Rolle, one played 6 games, and the other got cut in training camp.

joeyd
06-20-2011, 10:58 PM
IMO, you get your coach on board before the draft, and at least solicit some of his opinions before making your picks/trades. Frank has been around for many years, just not as head coach, so why wouldn't he have something to contribute in the war room?

I will be disappointed if Frank is not named coach by draft day. It's not like there are a ton of folks to consider at this point, and Bird has had time to conduct interviews.

Hicks
06-20-2011, 11:07 PM
IMO, you get your coach on board before the draft, and at least solicit some of his opinions before making your picks/trades. Frank has been around for many years, just not as head coach, so why wouldn't he have something to contribute in the war room?

I will be disappointed if Frank is not named coach by draft day. It's not like there are a ton of folks to consider at this point, and Bird has had time to conduct interviews.

It sounds as though Larry and Frank have been in touch this whole time, and furthermore it's a matter of when, not if, Vogel is named head coach. I'm sure Vogel's opinions about the team's players and the draft are well known already.

With that said, it would be nice to have Shaw on board and start to assimilate his thoughts into the mix.....

Eleazar
06-20-2011, 11:26 PM
IMO, you get your coach on board before the draft, and at least solicit some of his opinions before making your picks/trades. Frank has been around for many years, just not as head coach, so why wouldn't he have something to contribute in the war room?

I will be disappointed if Frank is not named coach by draft day. It's not like there are a ton of folks to consider at this point, and Bird has had time to conduct interviews.

I think it is pretty much all but officially announced that Vogel is the head coach going into next season. So even if it isn't officially announced I don't think you need to be disappointed in any way. They may just be holding back the official announcement for later to try and keep the Pacers in the public eye when there isn't much going on.

PacerPenguins
06-21-2011, 10:27 AM
starts in a couple minutes... just making sure everyone remembered the answer

LetsTalkPacers
06-21-2011, 10:32 AM
its not on for me. anyone else?

PacerPenguins
06-21-2011, 10:33 AM
its not on for me. anyone else?

not on 4 me either

sheppie33
06-21-2011, 10:36 AM
not on 4 me either

me either

granger33
06-21-2011, 10:37 AM
dang...stayed up till midnight for nothing

PacerPenguins
06-21-2011, 10:37 AM
its on

LetsTalkPacers
06-21-2011, 10:37 AM
its up for me now

PacerPenguins
06-21-2011, 10:38 AM
mine frooze

LetsTalkPacers
06-21-2011, 10:38 AM
im froze up now

LetsTalkPacers
06-21-2011, 10:39 AM
Area55 Boo this live feed. BOOOOOOO!

BillS
06-21-2011, 10:40 AM
Area55 Boo this live feed. BOOOOOOO!

Heh. Wouldn't that be "B........."?

LetsTalkPacers
06-21-2011, 10:40 AM
back up

graphic-er
06-21-2011, 10:43 AM
So apparently you have to refresh the damn page and click the play button. Wont' come on automatically. I tuned in to hear him talk about players that might only be 22-25 mins per game.

PacerPenguins
06-21-2011, 10:43 AM
wow its already over and i get 2 minutes of live feed.. BOOO!

granger33
06-21-2011, 10:44 AM
pacers.com owes me 30 mins of my life back

PR07
06-21-2011, 10:44 AM
Can anyone give a summary?

Trader Joe
06-21-2011, 10:45 AM
pacers.com owes me 30 mins of my life back

How can they owe you for something that was free?

granger33
06-21-2011, 10:46 AM
How can they owe you for something that was free?

I pay for my downloads mate haha

graphic-er
06-21-2011, 10:46 AM
Can anyone give a summary?

Larry Bird works in a dimly lit cave, and he is going to draft a player.

The End.

MSA2CF
06-21-2011, 10:47 AM
My favorite part: Bird mentions a player who's supposed to be taken 7th could fall, which would likely be a better player than the four he's looking at, he says. Boyle asks who that might be, and Bird says he can't say who it is: "That's just not how it works, Mark." Haha. Struck me funny the way he said it is all.

Trader Joe
06-21-2011, 10:47 AM
I think he's obviously talking about Jimmer.

PacerPenguins
06-21-2011, 10:47 AM
My favorite part: Bird mentions a player who's supposed to be taken 7th could fall, which would likely be a better player than the four he's looking at, he says. Boyle asks who that might be, and Bird says he can't say who it is: "That's just not how it works, Mark." Haha. Struck me funny the way he said it is all.

i think bismick is the one that falls

BillS
06-21-2011, 10:49 AM
So apparently you have to refresh the damn page and click the play button. Wont' come on automatically. I tuned in to hear him talk about players that might only be 22-25 mins per game.

My screen froze so I have no idea what you are talking about.

Assuming it is the prospect for this year's pick, was he talking about 22-25 mins per game as the peak in their careers or in their rookie year? The former seems pretty average for a 15th pick, the latter EXTREMELY good for a 15th pick.

Why do people expect that every player in every position in a draft will be playing 30+ minutes per game from the minute they hit the NBA? It's like some magic surrounds a rookie, that he's automatically better than half the team just by being drafted - or that there's so much talent not yet in the NBA that a GM is stupid if he doesn't manage to draft better than a sixth man no matter where he is in the order.

If my assumption is not correct, then never mind. :laugh:

BPump33
06-21-2011, 10:50 AM
I think he's obviously talking about Jimmer.

I read it as Biyombo for some reason.

duke dynamite
06-21-2011, 10:51 AM
So apparently you have to refresh the damn page and click the play button. Wont' come on automatically. I tuned in to hear him talk about players that might only be 22-25 mins per game.
The video was very bad, but I refreshed, pressed play and right-clicked on the video box and the video came up! :happydanc

owl
06-21-2011, 10:53 AM
My favorite part: Bird mentions a player who's supposed to be taken 7th could fall, which would likely be a better player than the four he's looking at, he says. Boyle asks who that might be, and Bird says he can't say who it is: "That's just not how it works, Mark." Haha. Struck me funny the way he said it is all.

I believe that would be one of the point guards. Either Jimmer or Kemba.

BPump33
06-21-2011, 10:53 AM
The video was very bad, but I refreshed, pressed play and right-clicked on the video box and the video came up! :happydanc

I did all that and got nothing. However, I don't feel like I missed anything.

Trader Joe
06-21-2011, 10:54 AM
I read it as Biyombo for some reason.

Maybe, but Jimmer has been specifically tied to Sacramento at 7.

Speed
06-21-2011, 10:54 AM
I can't get the feed, at work. If its the 7 pick, its Jimmer. Kings ownership loves Jimmer, Mocks have mentioned this as a possible pick for a couple of weaks now.

duke dynamite
06-21-2011, 10:55 AM
I did all that and got nothing. However, I don't feel like I missed anything.
Yeah, I don't think this was really worth the time. Bird said what he wanted, which we already had an idea of, and didn't throw out any names.

MSA2CF
06-21-2011, 10:55 AM
From the bits and pieces I got from when the video was actually working:

The scouting process is basically that his 6-8 scouts (or whatever the number is) do scouting all year and then feed Bird the information. Bird says he watches a lot of tape, about 600 games per year, and reads reports and takes his scouts' information. He basically takes it all in and makes his decisions, though the scouts/he get together and discuss things.

I found it interesting that on draft day that at some point, Bird speaks with scouts more privately (one on one) to get their honest opinions on some players (because in a room with all of them, the scouts all have differing opinions). When they go to the war room, there's not much discussion except for a lot of calls from around the league. Bird seemed a little amused/annoyed(?) that a lot of teams usually try to do last-minute deals.

Bird said several times that he has four players he's looking at and that he expects two of them to be available (if I remember right).

edit: Bird also kept saying he likes the core group, that the playoffs didn't change his opinion about the core group, and wants to draft the best player available and doesn't have to worry about drafting for a specific position. He also said he wants to build the best bench in the league.

PR07
06-21-2011, 10:55 AM
It sounds to me like it would probably be Jimmer, experts have said he could go as high as #7 to the Kings (ceiling) and as low as #15 Pacers (floor).

BPump33
06-21-2011, 10:56 AM
Maybe, but Jimmer has been specifically tied to Sacramento at 7.

Yeah, and I think Jimmer will go 7. I just took it as "someone we haven't had in b/c they were slated to go ahead of us could drop and we'd take them at 15." I know it's a reach, but that's how I took it.

It's probably Jimmer.

RobfromPacers
06-21-2011, 10:56 AM
pacers.com owes me 30 mins of my life back

Sorry about that. Clearly a connection issue on our end. Larry is meeting with the media in 5 minutes. This will be streamed live, too ("too" used loosely due to technical complications from earlier).

wintermute
06-21-2011, 10:56 AM
If Bird said #7 then it's Fredette. Maloofs reportedly enamored of him but their coaching staff prefers a SF. Biyombo at #7 does not make sense.

A bit strange that Bird would openly admit his interest. Shades of Luke Jackson, anyone?

MSA2CF
06-21-2011, 11:00 AM
Yeah, and I think Jimmer will go 7. I just took it as "someone we haven't had in b/c they were slated to go ahead of us could drop and we'd take them at 15." I know it's a reach, but that's how I took it.

It's probably Jimmer.

That's how I took it as well -- not sure Bird was really trying to say the guy at #7, probably just a number he threw out to make the point. But sometimes guys can misspeak. Bird did seem to be wringing his hands and going through a lot of nervous gestures throughout the interview, if anyone picked up on that.

duke dynamite
06-21-2011, 11:00 AM
Sorry about that. Clearly a connection issue on our end. Larry is meeting with the media in 5 minutes. This will be streamed live, too ("too" used loosely due to technical complications from earlier).
You tha man!

I had to right-click again to get the video to show up in IE 9, IE 9 + Compatibilty mode, Firefox 4, Google Chrome. I reinstalled Flash Player 10, as well. Same results, but video is working for me.

MSA2CF
06-21-2011, 11:07 AM
Bird also said (in the first interview with Boyle) that he doesn't think league executives are acting any differently with regards to the CBA issues.

pacer4ever
06-21-2011, 11:11 AM
he was talking about Jonas there. Jonas said he wont come over till take year at least. I would be thrilled if Jonas dropped to 15 and be pissed if we didn't take him.

JB24
06-21-2011, 11:11 AM
Bird clearly indicating he'd be interested in Valanciunas if he fell.

duke dynamite
06-21-2011, 11:13 AM
Bird clearly indicating he'd be interested in Valanciunas if he fell.
Cabbages? Another one?!

pacer4ever
06-21-2011, 11:14 AM
Cabbages? Another one?!

He isn't a cabbage he is top 5 talent with a NBA body. But Cleveland will probably take him at 4.

PacerPenguins
06-21-2011, 11:15 AM
sounds like larry is very confident hes gonna get his player

duke dynamite
06-21-2011, 11:16 AM
He isn't a cabbage he is top 5 talent with a NBA body. But Cleveland will probably take him at 4.
Derr....

PacerPenguins
06-21-2011, 11:17 AM
no untouchable players and larry feels confident that he can make more draft day trades

pacer4ever
06-21-2011, 11:19 AM
im glad he want Jonas he is the type of PnR big we don't have a good one at the moment.

pacer4ever
06-21-2011, 11:20 AM
what did i tell you the workout doesnt mean ****

Ownagedood
06-21-2011, 11:21 AM
Yeah, and I think Jimmer will go 7. I just took it as "someone we haven't had in b/c they were slated to go ahead of us could drop and we'd take them at 15." I know it's a reach, but that's how I took it.

It's probably Jimmer.

Actually im pretty sure we did have Jimmer in to workout, unless i am remembering wrong i think he was in the first group the Pacers had workout.

Merz
06-21-2011, 11:21 AM
Yeah, and I think Jimmer will go 7. I just took it as "someone we haven't had in b/c they were slated to go ahead of us could drop and we'd take them at 15." I know it's a reach, but that's how I took it.

It's probably Jimmer.

But didn't they have Jimmer in?

BPump33
06-21-2011, 11:23 AM
But didn't they have Jimmer in?

Yeah, that's why I thought it was Biyombo. I was saying I was probably wrong in thinking it was Biyombo and he was probably talking about Jimmer.

Biyombo was the guy we didn't bring in.

BPump33
06-21-2011, 11:25 AM
" I still think Lance is our best player." Man, Larry I hope this love is warranted.

PacerPenguins
06-21-2011, 11:25 AM
wow larry thinks lance will be one of our better players next year

pacer4ever
06-21-2011, 11:25 AM
"lance is our best player"

"will be a different man next year"


I think 90s is Larry conspiracy

docpaul
06-21-2011, 11:26 AM
"I still think that Lance is our best player... got a lot of growing up to do"

imawhat
06-21-2011, 11:26 AM
Haha, "that's not how it works, Mark".

SMosley21
06-21-2011, 11:27 AM
he was talking about Jonas there. Jonas said he wont come over till take year at least. I would be thrilled if Jonas dropped to 15 and be pissed if we didn't take him.

Bird also said he wants a player who can step in and play right away...

pacer4ever
06-21-2011, 11:28 AM
****

Trader Joe
06-21-2011, 11:28 AM
I hope I get to eat crow about Lance, I really do.

PacerPenguins
06-21-2011, 11:28 AM
mine froze

pacer4ever
06-21-2011, 11:29 AM
Bird also said he wants a player who can step in and play right away...

he said there is a player im willing to wait a year for so obviously he would take him and rightfully so

JB24
06-21-2011, 11:30 AM
Bird also said he wants a player who can step in and play right away...

Yeah, but he also said he'd make an exception for said player.

Strummer
06-21-2011, 11:34 AM
what did i tell you the workout doesnt mean ****

It does mean something. It gives them an idea of how coachable the player is. Whether he can take direction. They'll see what a player does well and then tell him to do something else instead. Does he try? Does he succeed? Does he get discouraged and give up. That all gives clues to the players mental toughness. You don't learn things like that from watching film.

Ownagedood
06-21-2011, 11:35 AM
Lance our best player? Bird, PLEASE dont say that and be wrong.. Im one of the ones that hope in lance to be what his talent says he can be... Don't give me false hope, Larry!

Best player is better than i was thinking but i still think he will be quite good.

imawhat
06-21-2011, 11:37 AM
If this were the stock market, Lance would be a pink sheet and Bird would be pumping it.

SMosley21
06-21-2011, 11:39 AM
he said there is a player im willing to wait a year for so obviously he would take him and rightfully so

I didn't get to listen to the presser so I was just going off the tweets that I read. Thanks for lining things up for me. Makes more sense now.

vnzla81
06-21-2011, 11:41 AM
Yep nothing is going to happen again...............

Kamiyohk
06-21-2011, 11:42 AM
http://youtu.be/PtW_Hw3bWoE

wintermute
06-21-2011, 11:53 AM
Here's the interview for those who missed it

http://on.nba.com/jvLft2

PR07
06-21-2011, 12:02 PM
I'd be surprised if nothing happens with the Pacers on or near Draft Day, I'll say that much (just a gut feeling).

Speed
06-21-2011, 12:12 PM
Morway talked about Lance in bright terms too on the Sunday sports show circuit. Its funny the team puts so much stock in him and I refuse to even consider him on the team yet.

joeyd
06-21-2011, 12:18 PM
Morway talked about Lance in bright terms too on the Sunday sports show circuit. Its funny the team puts so much stock in him and I refuse to even consider him on the team yet.

It's all of this "bright" talk that can give Lance a swelled head. Potential? Physical gifts? Yes. But have we really seen anything to warrant this talk of "best player on the team?" I don't think so. Just a player that has exercised some poor judgement and needs to grow up a bit.

pacer4ever
06-21-2011, 12:19 PM
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If the Pacers do save $$ in '11, they could make a run at @TheofficialEG10 in '12 and bring Indy native Eric Gordon back home.


Rabjohns :stirthepot:

joeyd
06-21-2011, 12:23 PM
no untouchable players and larry feels confident that he can make more draft day trades

I don't see them trading Hibbert. He has really been the embodiment of the Pacers Public Relations Department this past month with all of the Area 55 promotions he is doing, and has done his job in trying to generate fan interest during the offseason with his appearances. I can't see that the team is going to support Hibbert's interests and ask so much of him if he is potentially going elsewhere.

Speed
06-21-2011, 12:29 PM
Grady said on 1070 that Bird said Roy wasn't being traded, can anyone confirm? Maybe I misunderstood Grady.

Justin Tyme
06-21-2011, 12:34 PM
Bird is looking awfully foolish if Stephenson does NOT become what Bird says. I can just envision Bird and Stephenson on the front of SI. Oh yeah, Bird has already done that, and we know how that turned out for the Pacers.

To me if Bird drafts Jimmer or another player like him it will just confirms to me Bird is doing a smoke and mirrors act about Stephenson. If he goes another direction, then I might start re-elevaluting my view on Stephenson.

purdue101
06-21-2011, 01:00 PM
Bird is looking awfully foolish if Stephenson does NOT become what Bird says. I can just envision Bird and Stephenson on the front of SI. Oh yeah, Bird has already done that, and we know how that turned out for the Pacers.

To me if Bird drafts Jimmer or another player like him it will just confirms to me Bird is doing a smoke and mirrors act about Stephenson. If he goes another direction, then I might start re-elevaluting my view on Stephenson.

I'm not certain I agree with that statement. There is plenty of room for both Jimmer and Lance. IMO, they actually compliment each other quite well. Offensively, Lance has PG instincts while Jimmer has SG intincts. Defensively, Lance can play the wing and Jimmer the point.

AJ is a FA next year and/or he could be used as a trade chip - we don't know his long term role on this team. How do we know how Larry views DC as the long term starter at PG? I haven't been overly blown away with DC's game. Danny has been rumored to be tradeable for a big as well, which could slide PG to the 3 and open up minutes at the guard.

You're making an assumption as if you know for certain what the future holds for DG, AJ, & DC, which you don't. Plus, if Jimmer is BPA, you take him regardless.

90'sNBARocked
06-21-2011, 01:33 PM
I think he's obviously talking about Jimmer.

Yep, me too man

I think the Kings were supposed to take Jimmer (aledgedly Maloof brothers loved him but have been out numbered by caoches who want Kemba or someone else)

Apparently Utah will take Knight at 3, so need there , and Phoenix is said to have cooled on Jimmer and want defense

The only way I think this doesnt happen is if the Knicks make a trade to move up past us , and they take Jimmer

Otherwise, I see us drafting Jimmer :censored::censored:

Trophy
06-21-2011, 01:45 PM
This year is leaving me wondering.

I think it'll be like last year. We won't wind up trading and we'll just draft at our respective picks.

If a large player trade is made, I will be very surprised on our side.

I hope we pull something off.

Sookie
06-21-2011, 04:27 PM
I'm not certain I agree with that statement. There is plenty of room for both Jimmer and Lance. IMO, they actually compliment each other quite well. Offensively, Lance has PG instincts while Jimmer has SG intincts. Defensively, Lance can play the wing and Jimmer the point.

AJ is a FA next year and/or he could be used as a trade chip - we don't know his long term role on this team. How do we know how Larry views DC as the long term starter at PG? I haven't been overly blown away with DC's game. Danny has been rumored to be tradeable for a big as well, which could slide PG to the 3 and open up minutes at the guard.

You're making an assumption as if you know for certain what the future holds for DG, AJ, & DC, which you don't. Plus, if Jimmer is BPA, you take him regardless.

He obviously doesn't view DC as the long term starter. DC is insurance.

If he's saying that Lance is our best player (:rolleyes:)
And then he's saying he is going to try and make Lance a point.
It's obviously to start. He's not going to have our "best player" come off the bench.

I think, he's hoping Lance becomes what he's thinks Lance can be, and then wants to use DC as a trade piece.

Unless he's just blowing smoke...which I doubt.

Hicks
06-21-2011, 04:45 PM
Birds wants the best bench in the league. Making DC the backup would be a good start.

pacer4ever
06-21-2011, 04:48 PM
Birds wants the best bench in the league. Making DC the backup would be a good start.

I almost agree 100% someone taking and earning DC's starting position would be a great start:D

vnzla81
06-21-2011, 04:51 PM
Birds wants the best bench in the league. Making DC the backup would be a good start.

I would like that, he could also send Hibbert to the bench and get a more consistent center if he can.

TheDon
06-21-2011, 04:56 PM
Maybe it's just me, but being so concerned about your bench when you have holes in your starting lineup seems kind of bassackwards to me.

vnzla81
06-21-2011, 05:03 PM
Maybe it's just me, but being so concerned about your bench when you have holes in your starting lineup seems kind of bassackwards to me.

I agree with this but who knows he is maybe thinking about actually moving some of our non starters to the bench and bring real starters :whoknows:

docpaul
06-21-2011, 05:18 PM
I agree with this but who knows he is maybe thinking about actually moving some of our non starters to the bench and bring real starters :whoknows:

He specifically said in his public press conference this morning, that some of our players that we now think of as starters are in fact 24-28 min players that he'd like to ultimately see transitioned to the bench.

So I think the goal is to fill the starting lineup in free agency or in trades from this point forward, given that we likely won't have high draft picks any more. :pray:

Sookie
06-21-2011, 05:23 PM
He specifically said in his public press conference this morning, that some of our players that we now think of as starters are in fact 24-28 min players that he'd like to ultimately see transitioned to the bench.

So I think the goal is to fill the starting lineup in free agency or in trades from this point forward, given that we likely won't have high draft picks any more. :pray:

Hansbrough

Dr. Awesome
06-21-2011, 05:25 PM
Hansbrough

Possibly Collison? Some indicates more than one, and I sure as hell hope he's not talking about George, Granger, or Hibbert.

Sookie
06-21-2011, 05:30 PM
Possibly Collison? Some indicates more than one, and I sure as hell hope he's not talking about George, Granger, or Hibbert.

I doubt it..you don't essentially split point guard minutes in half. If a point guard is good enough to play 24/28 minutes as a b/u, he's good enough to start. And thus, won't be staying here very long.

Possibly Hibbert. But even then I doubt it.

edit: I actually think he means Paul George, at least for this year.

CooperManning
06-21-2011, 05:33 PM
Am I the only one that doesn't understand the point of having multiple 24-28 minute bench players?

Justin Tyme
06-21-2011, 05:36 PM
[QUOTE=Dr. Awesome;1254277

]Possibly Collison? QUOTE]


Raymond Felton is w/o a doubt starter quality who is sitting behind Lawson on Denver's bench. DC could b/u Felton, thus really making the PG position solid with, dare I say it, Stephenson in the wings.

90'sNBARocked
06-21-2011, 05:37 PM
Maybe it's just me, but being so concerned about your bench when you have holes in your starting lineup seems kind of bassackwards to me.

I think its a good way to save face

"Our startes are average, but oh wee look at our bench"

TheDon
06-21-2011, 05:39 PM
Am I the only one that doesn't understand the point of having multiple 24-28 minute bench players?

If that's the case we might as well become a farm team for some other NBA team. That is dumb no matter which way you look at it. Also Larry kind of makes himself look bad in the process at least presently. How do you tell the owner this whole time the players you've been drafting/playing as starters you ultimately had intentions of moving to the bench? :crazy:

righteouscool
06-21-2011, 05:43 PM
[QUOTE=Dr. Awesome;1254277

]Possibly Collison? QUOTE]


Raymond Felton is w/o a doubt starter quality who is sitting behind Lawson on Denver's bench. DC could b/u Felton, thus really making the PG position solid with, dare I say it, Stephenson in the wings.

I don't understand this boards obsession with Felton. His numbers are very close to DCs and he is very much done getting better. DC just played his second year and first year as a starter. . .

aaronb
06-21-2011, 05:46 PM
I think its a good way to save face

"Our startes are average, but oh wee look at our bench"


Is he building an excuse for 36 wins in 2011/2012?

xBulletproof
06-21-2011, 05:47 PM
I'm just glad he said it so people can stop speculating that he's going to give those borderline starters 10 million per in extensions. People act like we're going to run out of cap space just signing the guys we have. I don't see it, and this comment makes me think Bird does too.

judicata
06-21-2011, 05:48 PM
I thought the whole point of choking down the awful contracts was to free up cap room to bring in starters. After watching the Mavs and the Heat, bulding up a bench might actually be attractive for a few guys. I know folks are skeptical that we can bring stars to Indy, but its not like this approach is some crazy theory.

Dr. Awesome
06-21-2011, 05:56 PM
[QUOTE=Justin Tyme;1254284]

I don't understand this boards obsession with Felton. His numbers are very close to DCs and he is very much done getting better. DC just played his second year and first year as a starter. . .

He is a great defender and a great leader. He is not done getting better, he will be like Chauncy Billups in the sense I see him adding more to his game constantly.

Gamble1
06-21-2011, 06:02 PM
[QUOTE=righteouscool;1254292]

He is a great defender and a great leader. He is not done getting better, he will be like Chauncy Billups in the sense I see him adding more to his game constantly.
Just for the record JT didn't say that.

I agree that Felton would upgrade the overall defense but hurt the offense with his shooting. His assist numbers aren't bad and I think he would be a more valuable piece in the playoffs than Collison.

All that being said Collison is cheaper and who knows if we could resign Felton in the future.

Banta
06-21-2011, 06:18 PM
Regarding all the Lance comments, I will say I have high hopes for Lance. In him, I see a player who has all the potential to be a very high caliber player and a nightmare for opposing defenses. I think he has the potential to be the cornerstone of our offensive team. Time will tell if he puts it all together, but if he grows into (or has grown into) a man, then you could be looking at the Pacers in a very different light at this time next year.

BillS
06-21-2011, 06:33 PM
Am I the only one that doesn't understand the point of having multiple 24-28 minute bench players?

You can play up tempo offense and hard defense without wearing your starters out?

You have bench players capable of that many minutes but you don't have to use them that many minutes every game?

You have high quality players you can substitute into the game as required depending on the opponent?

You are not praying for someone to step up in case of injury?

You have guys that show themselves as valuable trade assets as bench players instead of being marginal trade assets as starters?

You have guys that might work themselves into a starter role but aren't there now because they are young, and as they get older and move up you fill in with good bench players who can be ready to step in when their time comes?

You can have a short rotation of 9-10 players where each backup is capable of playing half the game?

Yeah, I guess those are probably not valid. Much easier to assume Bird is an idiot.

QuickRelease
06-21-2011, 07:19 PM
It's all of this "bright" talk that can give Lance a swelled head. Potential? Physical gifts? Yes. But have we really seen anything to warrant this talk of "best player on the team?" I don't think so. Just a player that has exercised some poor judgement and needs to grow up a bit.
But they have more behind the scenes access than we have. They don't have spot minutes, news reports, and PD as their only sources of info. They see him in practice and keep tabs on him in the offseason.

PacerGuy
06-21-2011, 08:33 PM
He specifically said in his public press conference this morning, that some of our players that we now think of as starters are in fact 24-28 min players that he'd like to ultimately see transitioned to the bench.

Collison & Hansbrough.

-DC was an upgrade, but I'm not convinced he will ever be a top PG in the league.
-Han's skill set, size & energy is taylor made for the bench. He will be solid, never elite.

-Danny has been an all-star, is starting quality.
-Roy could be a top 10 C in the league in time.
-Paul could be special if he developes as we hope.
-Lance is a huge unknown.
-Rush... Are you High? (he is).
-McBob.... really?
-Dauntey? Not close.
-Price, No, Never.
-Foster & Posey are on fumes at best.
-Everyone else = Gone!

Pacersalltheway10
06-21-2011, 08:40 PM
I thought the whole point of choking down the awful contracts was to free up cap room to bring in starters. After watching the Mavs and the Heat, bulding up a bench might actually be attractive for a few guys. I know folks are skeptical that we can bring stars to Indy, but its not like this approach is some crazy theory.

Be careful what you say about bringing stars to Indiana. People will look at you like the village fool.

Justin Tyme
06-21-2011, 09:36 PM
Just for the record JT didn't say that.


Thank you!!!

johndozark
06-21-2011, 09:45 PM
I agree with CooperManning and BillS that having ten players capable of contributing solid and significant minutes is an ideal goal for a winning season.

I think that was what Bird was trying to communicate.

He believes that he has a solid core that he wants to keep as part of that ten. I think that Granger, George, Collison, Hibbert, Hansbrough, and he hopes Stephenson are part of that core. He is willing to have some of those players on the second team if he can find stronger starters.

Ignore the comments about strengthening the bench versus strengthening the starters. I think his goal is to have the best ten he can get his hands on.

Anthem
06-21-2011, 09:55 PM
Sorry about that. Clearly a connection issue on our end. Larry is meeting with the media in 5 minutes. This will be streamed live, too ("too" used loosely due to technical complications from earlier).
This didn't get nearly enough thanks.

Thanks, Rob, for jumping in here to update us. Come back any time!

IndyPacer
06-21-2011, 10:01 PM
Bird clearly indicating he'd be interested in Valanciunas if he fell.

Yes, I agree 100%. As soon as he started talking about a foreign player with a buyout/ contract issue, it was clear he was talking about Jonas. I know he said that moving up a few spots wouldn't help us, but he's also been known to intentionally mislead. I would NOT be surprised if he is considering deals to grab him. I think he'd be a great addition to this team, but it would almost certainly take a trade to get him.

Jonas is a decent athlete who plays some defense and can rebound. I'd be very interested, although I'll fully admit that I need to see more of him. What I've seen I've really liked.

Hicks
06-21-2011, 11:03 PM
Maybe it's just me, but being so concerned about your bench when you have holes in your starting lineup seems kind of bassackwards to me.

It just depends. If DC, George, and Roy have another level to reach (hopefully multiple levels in the case of George), that might work out.

Otherwise, if they don't, maybe you "get the best bench in the league" by leap-frogging those guys with better players, who, as 3 bench players, give you a damn good bench.

But, yes, if they don't get better and we just stuff the bench with guys almost as good, then that's not an inspiring plan at this point.

Hicks
06-21-2011, 11:03 PM
He specifically said in his public press conference this morning, that some of our players that we now think of as starters are in fact 24-28 min players that he'd like to ultimately see transitioned to the bench.

Wow; really? If so, that's encouraging to me.

PR07
06-21-2011, 11:05 PM
I'd think he's talking about Hansbrough for sure, maybe Collison too.

CooperManning
06-22-2011, 12:23 AM
You can play up tempo offense and hard defense without wearing your starters out?

You have bench players capable of that many minutes but you don't have to use them that many minutes every game?

You have high quality players you can substitute into the game as required depending on the opponent?

You are not praying for someone to step up in case of injury?

You have guys that show themselves as valuable trade assets as bench players instead of being marginal trade assets as starters?

You have guys that might work themselves into a starter role but aren't there now because they are young, and as they get older and move up you fill in with good bench players who can be ready to step in when their time comes?

You can have a short rotation of 9-10 players where each backup is capable of playing half the game?

Yeah, I guess those are probably not valid. Much easier to assume Bird is an idiot.


Where did I say/assume Bird was an idiot? I'm a pretty big Bird supporter, so there's no need to put words in my mouth. I'm just confused.

What you said is all well and good if you have backups that can play multiple positions, but the two guys it would seem Bird has in mind as "24-28 minute" type of players is Darren Collison, strictly a 1, and Tyler Hansbrough, strictly a 4.

What point guard are we going to get that's better than Collison (i.e. more worthy of starting) that is going to be satisfied with playing 20-24 minutes to DC's 24-28? Furthermore, if we get a point guard that's better than DC, wouldn't you want him playing more than 24 minutes? Point guards have a lot of stamina. If you have a good one there's no need to rest them for half the game. Playing your starting PG less than 30 minutes/game (PG mpg #'s: http://es.pn/k3Hv7H) would go against the league trend, most play above 32-33/game and the best ones play ~38/game. That's why I'm confused.

The 24-28/game thing makes more sense for Hansbrough, but only if we get a starting 4 that's also capable of sliding to the 5. If we have a 3-man big rotation of Player X/Roy with Hansbrough coming off the bench, great. But if we get a PF that only plays the 4 (a David West/Paul Millsap type) how will there be room for Tyler to get 24-28 minutes?



You can have a short rotation of 9-10 players where each backup is capable of playing half the game?

This might be a good plan for 45-50 wins and a first round exit (see: Nuggets, post-Melo trade) but a team like that will never win a conference final. You need your best players to carry you. If the other team's best players are getting 38 minutes/game and yours are getting 24-28, you're just not going to go that deep in the playoffs.

I don't think Bird's an idiot. I'd just love to know which players he views as starters, which as backups, and who he wants to add to start ahead of them.

wintermute
06-22-2011, 10:57 AM
The full interview is up now. Both the short one with Mark Boyle, and the longer presser. For those of us who missed it first time around.

http://www.nba.com/pacers/news/larry_bird_mark_boyle_live_110621.html

Yes, Bird did say that he'd like to have a good bench, but it was in the context of getting better players who would push some current starters to the bench.

Bird also mentioned Stanko as a guy would probably come over, but more likely to be next season than the current one. Which makes sense considering the potential lockout.

Bird mentioned several times that position doesn't matter in the draft, that we'd take the BPA. Though I think he mentioned at one point that there won't be a good center at 15 (so not considering Vucevic then?). That we might move down in the right deal, but that moving up 4-5 spots probably won't help. Probably lots more things that I missed.

bunt
06-22-2011, 01:12 PM
I believe the player Bird was referring to as unexpectedly dropping is not Valanciunas, but Kemba Walker. All along, Walker has seemingly been pegged at 7 to the Kings, or maybe earlier to the Raptors. But now there's news that those teams will be going in other directions, and the thought to be safe teams for Walker (Pistons, Bobcats) could pass as well. There's a very low chance he falls all the way to 15 (stranger things have happened) but he could realistically fall to 10 or so.

This seems to be the type of player Birds would covet - he's a winner, leader, experienced college player, national player of the year caliber player, confident. He's basically the guard version of Hansbrough.

This is the guy I think they want.

McKeyFan
06-22-2011, 03:32 PM
I'd think he's talking about Hansbrough for sure, maybe Collison too.

Collison and Hibbert.