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90'sNBARocked
06-20-2011, 11:29 AM
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AlMvTJdMLhVLksVypU4EJZm8vLYF?slug=mc-spears_nba_draft_top_15_sleepers061911


Markieff Morris, 6-10, 245 pounds, PF, Kansas

A scout said Markieff’s twin brother, Marcus, is expected to get drafted about five spots higher than his sibling. Markieff is projected to go as high as the middle of the first-round.

Unlike his brother, Markieff is focusing on playing power, not small forward.

“A lot of people are sleeping on me, but it is what it is,” Markieff said.

An NBA scout’s take: “One of the most undervalued guys in the draft. His brother gets all the headlines. He’s a legitimate power forward cut from Dale Davis cloth who can defend, rebound and can make passes from the post. A winner.”

Speed
06-20-2011, 11:38 AM
You had me at "Dale", you had me at Da, actually.

MyFavMartin
06-20-2011, 11:54 AM
I've seen him play but wasn't struck by his toughness at all.

SMosley21
06-20-2011, 11:55 AM
I'm not buying the comparison.

imawhat
06-20-2011, 11:57 AM
Hoax. You can't cut Dale Davis cloth.

Kid Minneapolis
06-20-2011, 12:00 PM
Dale Davis was created from concrete and wrought-iron. His bone-structure was made of adamantium. His muscles and tendons were built from steel-cables. It's why he couldn't shoot, because steel cables don't move too well on adamantium.

When he set a pick, blocked out for a rebound, you felt it, even while sitting on your couch at home. I don't see a Morris Brother being even close to coming from that same mold.

Day-V
06-20-2011, 12:02 PM
Liked for ANYONE who said the words, "Dale Davis".

vapacersfan
06-20-2011, 12:07 PM
I miss Dale and Antonio Davis!

PR07
06-20-2011, 12:14 PM
I liked Dale Davis, but I feel like he's now VASTLY overrated on this board.

That being said if Morris played like him I'd be interested, but I don't think he does.

SMosley21
06-20-2011, 12:16 PM
I liked Dale Davis, but I feel like he's now VASTLY overrated on this board.



Shut up!

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able
06-20-2011, 12:20 PM
according to Tbird in his #11 and sleepers post:

6. Markieff Morris…..enthusiastic tougher PF, lacks length and athleticism but plays with a cockiness and swagger that I like….wouldn’t be shocked if he ends up here with us actually, though I’d pass since I think Hansbrough is better than him…..love the attitude he brings to the table…physical defender and good screener……reminds me alot of Drew Gooden.

Speed
06-20-2011, 12:22 PM
I'm DVR ing a couple of Kansas games in the next day to look at the Morris' and Selby.

One game is Colorado vs Kansas on ESPN Classic at 3pm today.

I have another game set on ESPNU tonight at 10:30 USC at Kansas.

You get to see Colorado's Burk and USCs Vucevic as well as Kansas' players. I'm excited to see them.

90'sNBARocked
06-20-2011, 12:34 PM
I'm DVR ing a couple of Kansas games in the next day to look at the Morris' and Selby.

One game is Colorado vs Kansas on ESPN Classic at 3pm today.

I have another game set on ESPNU tonight at 10:30 USC at Kansas.

You get to see Colorado's Burk and USCs Vucevic as well as Kansas' players. I'm excited to see them.

Love your thoughts after

I think Sleby is a darkhorse, one the Knicks will grab if no one unexpectedly falls

Pacer Fan
06-20-2011, 01:06 PM
I liked Dale Davis, but I feel like he's now VASTLY overrated on this board.

That being said if Morris played like him I'd be interested, but I don't think he does.

Dale Davis was the Beast of the East in the 90's. Where was you? :)

I like Morris, If he is there at 15, I would like him more then the SG's that are being talked about. But I think LB is going to trade for a PF and draft a SG in the draft. If it was me I would get Mark at 15, sign JR Smith(sg) and give Josh and Jeff an extension and sign Chuck Hayes. Then if an opportunity comes to trade for a top 5-8 PF in the league during the season, then do it.

Also, I watched atleast 12-14 games of Kansas and in no way is he cut from the cloth of DD. Not even close. In fact Mark has a very good touch for a big, he was like 62% 2ptfg and 42% 3ptfg. and 8 rebounds. I think he has a bigger upside then his brother Marcus. And to me his defense is suspect for the NBA. He will have to toughen up. Mark is a total opposite of Davis.

Hicks
06-20-2011, 01:21 PM
A miniature Dale, maybe. Dale was 6'11" (this guy's 6'9"). I don't know what Dale's wingspan was, but I visually recall it being long, and this guy's wingspan is 6'10.75".

mildlysane
06-20-2011, 01:28 PM
A miniature Dale, maybe. Dale was 6'11" (this guy's 6'9"). I don't know what Dale's wingspan was, but I visually recall it being long, and this guy's wingspan is 6'10.75".
Infinity

Peck
06-20-2011, 01:29 PM
All these years later & we still need a Dale Davis type player.

Also I love the fact that I no longer need to carry the Dale Davis banner alone, as time goes by the legend grows.:D

And with that I give you the greatest movie every made.

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indygeezer
06-20-2011, 01:36 PM
I liked Dale Davis, but I feel like he's now VASTLY overrated on this board.
That being said if Morris played like him I'd be interested, but I don't think he does.

Oh dem be banning words. :-p


I forgot that DD killed Chuck Norris.

PR07
06-20-2011, 01:40 PM
Oh dem be banning words. :-p

Honestly though, if you never saw a name, people would think we're talking about Bill Russell.

Speed
06-20-2011, 01:40 PM
I think many have forgotten that He knows where you live...

Lou Bega
06-20-2011, 01:41 PM
Matt Howard is the best at setting screens in this draft.

Dale Davis was a 3pt Threat in his day. He would miss his free throw get the rebound, score, & then get fouled again!!!!

Brad8888
06-20-2011, 01:42 PM
Who knew that Ostertag was that tough?

oz_pacer
06-20-2011, 05:08 PM
according to Tbird in his #11 and sleepers post:

6. Markieff Morris…..enthusiastic tougher PF, lacks length and athleticism but plays with a cockiness and swagger that I like….wouldn’t be shocked if he ends up here with us actually, though I’d pass since I think Hansbrough is better than him…..love the attitude he brings to the table…physical defender and good screener……reminds me alot of Drew Gooden.

did you just say drew gooden and good defender in the same sentence?

Scot Pollard
06-20-2011, 05:14 PM
Dale Davis you say? Okay I'm listening!

Shade
06-20-2011, 06:09 PM
Markieff is closer to Miles Davis than Dale Davis.

Day-V
06-20-2011, 06:25 PM
I liked Dale Davis, but I feel like he's now VASTLY overrated on this board.

Peck.....hold me back.


How DARE you demean that of which we call D Squared.

http://www.nba.com/media/pacers/dale_davis_190.jpg
:bowdown::bowdown::bowdown::bowdown::bowdown:

owl
06-20-2011, 06:33 PM
If you want a Dale Davis type or something close I present Greg Smith.
http://nbadraft.net/players/greg-smith

NapTonius Monk
06-20-2011, 07:47 PM
If you want a Dale Davis type or something close I present Greg Smith.
http://nbadraft.net/players/greg-smithhttp://nbadraft.net/players/greg-smith (http://nbadraft.net/players/greg-smith)

"Defensively he gives good effort but is not a force as a shot blocker." Takes more than being big to be Dale. Dale was Dale because he was an intimidating and rugged inside presence on the defensive end of the court.

pacer4ever
06-20-2011, 07:49 PM
http://nbadraft.net/players/greg-smith (http://nbadraft.net/players/greg-smith)

"Defensively he gives good effort but is not a force as a shot blocker." Takes more than being big to be Dale. Dale was Dale because he was an intimidating and rugged inside presence on the defensive end of the court.

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/y%20NBA%20etc/1%20Seattle%20SuperSonics/Serge%20Ibaka/20110316.gif
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b240/kam_soluusar/Oklahoma%20City%20Thunder/SergeIbaka.jpg
I give you Serge Ibaka

Ozwalt72
06-20-2011, 07:50 PM
The toughest in existence, only Dale Davis can cut Dale Davis

Kegboy
06-20-2011, 08:03 PM
Markieff is closer to Miles Davis than Dale Davis.

Hey now, Miles doesn't want any part of that comparison either.

At the time I thought Tbird's Gooden comparison was very apt. The Dale comparison is just ridiculous.

Anthem
06-20-2011, 08:14 PM
"Defensively he gives good effort but is not a force as a shot blocker." Takes more than being big to be Dale. Dale was Dale because he was an intimidating and rugged inside presence on the defensive end of the court.
Hey, I like Dale a lot, but let's keep in mind the difference between an enforcer and a shot-blocker.

Dale was the former, not necessarily the latter. Don't get me wrong, he was obviously solid defensively. But his defense wasn't really built around blocking shots.

owl
06-20-2011, 08:17 PM
http://nbadraft.net/players/greg-smith (http://nbadraft.net/players/greg-smith)

"Defensively he gives good effort but is not a force as a shot blocker." Takes more than being big to be Dale. Dale was Dale because he was an intimidating and rugged inside presence on the defensive end of the court.

I did not say he was Dale, but as close as your are going to get in this draft.
You missed the following.....

Has a tremendous package of size and strength for an 18 year old freshman (born January 1991) ... Has the body and willingness to play physically inside the paint ... Has a huge frame with wide shoulders and thick legs making it difficult to move him around in the post. It's scary to think how strong he will be in a few years ... Unlike many players with his dimensions, Smith has nice agility and athleticism ... Also shows excellent quickness on post moves ... Has excellent hands to corral rebounds and post passes ... Already showing signs of a developing post game, which should continue to expand as he becomes more the focal point of the offense ... Very strong attacking the rim converting on a lot of And-1s ... Strength allows him to convert well after contact ... Gets a lot of ally oop and put back dunks ... A coachable kid with a strong work ethic ... Shows an excellent attitude and eagerness to improve ... Hustles for rebounds and appears to play with a high motor at all times ... Shows nice touch on his shot with the ability to convert on baby hooks ... Shows good use of both hands in the post ...


In Dale's workout when he auditioned for the Pacers they worked him really hard and
he proceeded to throw in a trash can and said roughly. Lets keep going. Dale used to luxate his shoulders and reduced them and kept playing. He had surgery on both to stablize them early in his career. Dale was mentally tough and physically tough.

xBulletproof
06-20-2011, 08:21 PM
A Dale Davis couldn't be a factor today. Everytime he looked at someone it would be a foul.

Kinda depressing.

Merz
06-20-2011, 08:26 PM
Markieff is closer to Miles Davis than Dale Davis.

If peeing your pants is cool...and if he saw Dale Davis

PacerDude
06-20-2011, 08:31 PM
Cut from Dale Davis cloth ?? He wouldn't even be lint from Dale's dryer.

owl
06-20-2011, 08:32 PM
Smith has a wingspan of 7'2.5" and the largest hands in the draft. Dale was able to easily palm the ball and dunk. Greg Smith is 250 pounds of muscle. And going to get stronger.

Scot Pollard
06-20-2011, 08:47 PM
Cut from Dale Davis cloth ?? He wouldn't even be lint from Dale's dryer.

Dale Davis is like elbowing Troy Murphy in the throat in your avatar.

I saw it and I don't get why.

D-BONE
06-20-2011, 08:54 PM
Smith has a wingspan of 7'2.5" and the largest hands in the draft. Dale was able to easily palm the ball and dunk. Greg Smith is 250 pounds of muscle. And going to get stronger.

I've seen you reference him before this thread. I hope they make every effort to draft this guy. And not because of the Dale Davis analogy. We need this type of toughness/strength. The interior is too weak.

owl
06-20-2011, 09:00 PM
I agree wholeheartedly. The inside is weak and maybe Smith can cure some of that.
I hope at least he is available in the second. He is only a sophomore.

Peck
06-20-2011, 11:33 PM
http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/y%20NBA%20etc/1%20Seattle%20SuperSonics/Serge%20Ibaka/20110316.gif
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b240/kam_soluusar/Oklahoma%20City%20Thunder/SergeIbaka.jpg
I give you Serge Ibaka

What are you trying to say about Ibaka?

Mark
06-20-2011, 11:55 PM
It's funny this came up. I was just watching the '91 draft today on nbatv. They were all skeptically optimistic on Dale. What shocked me is that they said he averaged 17 boards a game in his senior year of college. That's remarkable, especially in a major conference like the ACC.

I'm just not sure if there are players like him anymore. Who really know their role as a rebounder and tough inside force. Players seem to more and more try to be an all around player. I think in some cases its better to be great at one thing, than good in a variety of categories.

pacer4ever
06-21-2011, 02:34 AM
What are you trying to say about Ibaka?

He is a beast on defense and an enforcer

Peck
06-21-2011, 02:45 AM
He is a beast on defense and an enforcer

Maybe in today's NBA.....

pacer4ever
06-21-2011, 02:49 AM
Maybe in today's NBA.....

:eek: Ibaka is a beast and he would be back in the 80s early 90s also :D

But in all seriousness he would adapt to the 80s style all the players now would they would have too. It is sad that they changed the rules and now everything is a foul. But Ibaka would be an enforcer in the 80s i have no doubts.

Peck
06-21-2011, 03:26 AM
:eek: Ibaka is a beast and he would be back in the 80s early 90s also :D

But in all seriousness he would adapt to the 80s style all the players now would they would have too. It is sad that they changed the rules and now everything is a foul. But Ibaka would be an enforcer in the 80s i have no doubts.

Meh.....

Hard to say, size wise he reminds me of Armond Gilliam (sp?) although he is a much more explosive jumper than Armond was.

oz_pacer
06-21-2011, 04:49 AM
apparently chuck norris is scared of dale davis

ensergio
06-21-2011, 07:54 AM
Dale Davis was the Beast of the East in the 90's. Where was you? :)

I like Morris, If he is there at 15, I would like him more then the SG's that are being talked about. But I think LB is going to trade for a PF and draft a SG in the draft. If it was me I would get Mark at 15, sign JR Smith(sg) and give Josh and Jeff an extension and sign Chuck Hayes. Then if an opportunity comes to trade for a top 5-8 PF in the league during the season, then do it.

Also, I watched atleast 12-14 games of Kansas and in no way is he cut from the cloth of DD. Not even close. In fact Mark has a very good touch for a big, he was like 62% 2ptfg and 42% 3ptfg. and 8 rebounds. I think he has a bigger upside then his brother Marcus. And to me his defense is suspect for the NBA. He will have to toughen up. Mark is a total opposite of Davis.

You're thinking of Marcus, not Markieff. Markieff has no outside shot.

Day-V
06-21-2011, 08:32 AM
:eek: Ibaka is a beast and he would be back in the 80s early 90s also :D

Dale Davis would've ate Ibaka for Breakfast. And then go out and grab some rebounds, and be awesome.

wintermute
06-22-2011, 12:55 PM
You're thinking of Marcus, not Markieff. Markieff has no outside shot.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Markieff-Morris-5179/stats/

42.4% on 1.6 attempts per game in his last season.

In comparison, Marcus shot 34.2% on 2.0 attempts per game.

Markieff can shoot, and in fact that's one of his better qualities. I'm not sure Markieff can be a consistent post scorer in the NBA, so having an outside shot helps a lot.

Pacer Fan
06-22-2011, 01:29 PM
You're thinking of Marcus, not Markieff. Markieff has no outside shot.

Why do some speak when they have no clue?
I have the answer, But I will refrain! XXXX XXX!

As You will notice Markieff shot 42.4% from 3's and Marcus shot 34.2% from 3's.

Also just last night on NBATV predraft special, they also made the comment that Markieff appears to have the better shot! Ofcoarse, As I had mentioned, I watched at least 12-14 Kansas games this past year and so I knew this without looking at stats!

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Marcus-Morris-5178/
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Markieff-Morris-5179/