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90'sNBARocked
06-15-2011, 01:57 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/news/story?id=6661870&campaign=rss&source=NBAHeadlines


July 1 is also the day the Clippers could begin negotiations on an extension with Gordon, one of their leading scorers from last year's team. If this was a normal year, all indications are that the team would do so the second the clock struck 9:01 p.m. in Los Angeles on June 30.

While there was previously some uncertainty over whether Gordon would sign a long-term extension with the team after it lost 116 games his first two seasons, a source close to the situation said that much of that uncertainty has been allayed after the Clippers traded guard Baron Davis to the Cleveland Cavaliers in February.

Gordon made little secret of his feelings about Davis, the oft-injured point guard whose work ethic and inconsistent play hamstrung the franchise for two seasons before he enjoyed a resurgence in the 2010-11 season.

In a postgame interview in December of 2009, Gordon famously said of Davis, "Last year, he never was focused. I'm just going to say it."

This past season, the Clippers made a noticeable effort to put the ball into Gordon's hands more often, letting the offense flow through him and Griffin. He averaged a career-high 22.3 points in 56 games before a wrist injury derailed the final few months of his season.

Gordon is under contract for $3.8 million in 2011-12. Under the terms of the current CBA, the team would be able extend him a qualifying offer of $5.1 million before June 30, 2012 and make him a restricted free agent. If he hasn't signed an extension before that time, Gordon could accept the qualifying offer and become an unrestricted free agent in the summer of 2013.

Griffin can become a restricted free agent after the 2013 season and unrestricted free agent after the 2014 season.

After sitting out the entire 2009-10 season with a knee injury, he returned to post an All-Star caliber year for the Clippers last season.

On the season, he posted averages of 22.5 points and 12.1 rebounds and recorded 63 double-doubles. He was the only player in the NBA to average at least 20 points, 12 rebounds and three assists, was the first rookie to be voted into the All-Star Game since Tim Duncan in 1998 and was a six-time Rookie of the Month selection for the Western Conference.

In January of this year, Olshey told ESPNLosAngeles.com that Griffin, the reigning Rookie of the Year, "will only ever be a Clipper."

Of course, Olshey is currently only under contract through October of 2011.

Kegboy
06-15-2011, 02:05 PM
:onozomg:

vnzla81
06-15-2011, 02:09 PM
I really hope they sign him long term so we stop with the EJ to Indy nonsense.

90'sNBARocked
06-15-2011, 02:12 PM
I think he loves his hometown but the reality of a core of Griffin, Jordan, and EJ is way too tempting

Shade
06-15-2011, 02:17 PM
:vaderno:

Seriously, that would suck. A lot.

Pacersalltheway10
06-15-2011, 02:20 PM
I don't think there will ever be a player with Gordons talent that actually loves the Midwest again. everybody I know wants to get away.

graphic-er
06-15-2011, 02:21 PM
There are so many holes in Griffin's game he might as well be swiss cheese. Being able to jump high only lasts you for so many seasons. I hope EJ flat out rejects the extension!

Shade
06-15-2011, 02:25 PM
There are so many holes in Griffin's game he might as well be swiss cheese. Being able to jump high only lasts you for so many seasons. I hope EJ flat out rejects the extension, then demands a trade to the Pacers!

Fixed.

Pacersalltheway10
06-15-2011, 02:28 PM
If the Clippers just wanted to get rid of BD why not just bench him and draft Kyrie Irving.

Let's hope that the Pacers win 50 games next year (if no lockout) and Clippers win less than 30.

graphic-er
06-15-2011, 02:30 PM
Fixed.

I dont' think he would demand a trade though, they could be ultra spitefull and bench him for the whole year. He wouldn't want to jeopardize his playing time.

imbtyler
06-15-2011, 02:42 PM
:vaderno:

Seriously, that would suck. A lot.

As much as I want EJ to bring back to Indy, I think a standard of integrity (that is, remaining with the team to which they were drafted) would be a good mindset to bring back to the NBA.

Though EJ signing an extension would be nice to lower the "EJ to Indy" discussion (or rather, insistence), I would still much rather have him skip out on LA and come home to make our team a lot better.

90'sNBARocked
06-15-2011, 02:51 PM
There are so many holes in Griffin's game he might as well be swiss cheese. Being able to jump high only lasts you for so many seasons. I hope EJ flat out rejects the extension!

did you forget the green here or are you (gulp) being serious?


:eek::eek:

pacer4ever
06-15-2011, 02:58 PM
Im glad im not the only one who hated Baron Davis's effort!

JB24
06-15-2011, 03:02 PM
There are so many holes in Griffin's game he might as well be swiss cheese. Being able to jump high only lasts you for so many seasons. I hope EJ flat out rejects the extension!

It's been mentioned to death, but again, the guy is restricted. Unless a team offers him an obscene amount of money the Clippers are matching. He really has no say.

90'sNBARocked
06-15-2011, 03:04 PM
Ask the Pacers front court how many "holes" they see in Griffin's game

if he is swiss cheese. Tyler's a donut

pacer4ever
06-15-2011, 03:04 PM
It's been mentioned to death, but again, the guy is restricted. Unless a team offers him an obscene amount of money the Clippers are matching. He really has no say.

like i have said 100 times the only way it happens is if EJ takes a 1 year deal and then becomes URFA the next year which is extremely risky for him. Or if he demands a trade.

bphil
06-15-2011, 03:05 PM
I think EJ would be a little crazy to bank on the fact that Griffin will be with the Clips for any lengthy amount of time. I find it hard to believe he won't bolt from that ridiculous organization ASAP...

ballism
06-15-2011, 03:09 PM
I think EJ would be a little crazy to bank on the fact that Griffin will be with the Clips for any lengthy amount of time. I find it hard to believe he won't bolt from that ridiculous organization ASAP...

ASAP would be like 5-7 years, depending on years on Blake's new deal.
For the duration of Gordon's next contract, they will be together, no way around it baring Clippers trades.

Shade
06-15-2011, 03:13 PM
I don't think he will either, but it would be nice.


I dont' think he would demand a trade though, they could be ultra spitefull and bench him for the whole year. He wouldn't want to jeopardize his playing time.

vnzla81
06-15-2011, 03:18 PM
did you forget the green here or are you (gulp) being serious?


:eek::eek:

He is measuring him with the Gordon Hayward standard and nobody gets close to that :D

pacer4ever
06-15-2011, 03:19 PM
Gordon is under contract for $3.8 million in 2011-12. Under the terms of the current CBA, the team would be able extend him a qualifying offer of $5.1 million before June 30, 2012 and make him a restricted free agent. If he hasn't signed an extension before that time, Gordon could accept the qualifying offer and become an unrestricted free agent in the summer of 2013.

.

vnzla81
06-15-2011, 03:22 PM
I would also ad that if I was EJ I would rather play with a 21/22 years old all star player in BG than come to Indy and play with a 28 years old former all star in Danny, is not even close.

graphic-er
06-15-2011, 03:23 PM
It's been mentioned to death, but again, the guy is restricted. Unless a team offers him an obscene amount of money the Clippers are matching. He really has no say.

Sure sure, but if he rejects an extension and enters RFA then we could offer him a one year max contract, clippers could match, but then he would be free to sign here the next year. But if it came to this outcome, there would be a greater chance to work out a sign and trade agreement, because why would LA want to pay him 14-15 million for one year only to lose him for nothing? They wouldn't, they would want to the Pacers to send a package of Danny Granger and a 1st plus filler their way. So you say he has no say but he really does.

JB24
06-15-2011, 03:32 PM
Sure sure, but if he rejects an extension and enters RFA then we could offer him a one year max contract, clippers could match, but then he would be free to sign here the next year. But if it came to this outcome, there would be a greater chance to work out a sign and trade agreement, because why would LA want to pay him 14-15 million for one year only to lose him for nothing? They wouldn't, they would want to the Pacers to send a package of Danny Granger and a 1st plus filler their way. So you say he has no say but he really does.

This is assuming he accepts a one-year contract. Which I find highly unlikely, i don't care how much much he allegedly wants to come back to Indy.

Edit: And i'm pretty sure your first post- rookie scale contract has to be for at least 3 years.

graphic-er
06-15-2011, 03:38 PM
did you forget the green here or are you (gulp) being serious?


:eek::eek:

Seriously, he is a good player, fun to watch. Love the high lights reels, but he is not a sound basketball player. No jumper, lacks consistent defense, to many risky plays trying to add to his highlight reel resulting in lots of TO's, he is a terrible from the foul line. This guy was an all-star based off his highlight dunking ability and that is all. 12 rebounds a game is very impressive though.

But like i said, he has multiple holes in his game. Not an elite player yet. Maybe he fixes these holes, maybe he doesn't. But a team with so much talent one would think they could muster more than 30 wins.

BornReady
06-15-2011, 03:43 PM
Serioiusly, he is a good player, fun to watch. Love the high lights reels, but he is not a sound basketball player. No jumper, lacks consistent defense, to many risky plays trying to add to his highlight reel. This guy was an all-star based off his highlight dunking ability and that his all. 12 rebounds a game is very impressive though.

But like i said, he has multiple holes in his game. Not an elite player yet. Maybe he fixes these holes, maybe he doesn't. But a team with so much talent one would think they could muster more than 30 wins.

I think he'll turn out just fine. He did, after all, just finish up his rookie season.

Trophy
06-15-2011, 03:46 PM
We haven't heard about anything that he's asked for a trade based on rumors and Mike Wells' tweets.

He's probably torn between playing with one of the best young big men in the league and a team who can be something special and come to Indy to be close to his family and play for the Pacers.

We shall see.

pacer4ever
06-15-2011, 03:52 PM
Serioiusly, he is a good player, fun to watch. Love the high lights reels, [B]but he is not a sound basketball player. No jumper, lacks\consistent defense, to many risky plays trying to add to his highlight reel. This guy was an all-star based off his highlight dunking ability and that his all. 12 rebounds a game is very impressive though.

But like i said, he has multiple holes in his game. Not an elite player yet. Maybe he fixes these holes, maybe he doesn't. But a team with so much talent one would think they could muster more than 30 wins.

:picard:


I will agree sometimes he does a stupid play for a highlight. But Blake is one of the best passing big men in the game already. His jumper got a lot better as the season went a long in fact by the end he was shooting the ball from 17ft terrifically. I will agree his defense isn't great yet and isn't likley to be anything better than ave. Karl Malone 2.0 mixed with the effort Charles Barkley showed.

graphic-er
06-15-2011, 04:00 PM
:picard:


I will agree sometimes he does a stupid play for a highlight. But Blake is one of the best passing big men in the game already. His jumper got a lot better as the season went a long in fact by the end he was shooting the ball from 17ft terrifically. I will agree his defense isn't great yet and isn't likley to be anything better than ave. Karl Malone 2.0 mixed with the effort Charles Barkley showed.

Why are you giving me the Picard? You agree with almost everything I said. Also i never said he wasn't a good passer. I've never seen such an odd use of the Picard. My post is Picard worthy but you also agree with me....hmmm

You know its true, for as good as he looked dunking the ball all year long he also had equally bad mistakes all year long.

pacer4ever
06-15-2011, 04:05 PM
Why are you giving me the Picard? You agree with almost everything I said. Also i never said he wasn't a good passer. I've never seen such an odd use of the Picard. My post is Picard worthy but you also agree with me....hmmm

You know its true, for as good as he looked dunking the ball all year long he also had equally bad mistakes all year long.

Blake Griffin is already a top 10 NBA player why would you say EJ wouldn't want to play with him? I guess it just didn't make sense to me. DG makes mistakes all year round **** LBJ makes mistakes every game it is part of the game. He is a rookie he is only gonna get better by next season he should be a top 5 NBA. **** he deserved to be starting in the all star game this season the guy is insane.

ballism
06-15-2011, 04:17 PM
Lets not go into a Malone with Barkley's effort yet.
For one, he needs to start running on defense first. It was so annoying to see DeAndre Jordan run back 2 full seconds before Blake on many possessions. He did show a ton of effort at the start, preseason, November. But as the year went on, he got lazier and lazier. Surely he got physically tired somewhat and started to balance his energy, but most of this seemed mental and got ridiculous at times. He was nowhere near Charles Barkley in terms of energy. Anti-Barkley at times.

I'm not down on Blake at all, but he does have some serious gaps which can be explained by youth, inexperience, mentally toxic Clippers environment, lack of veterans around him, and him missing a full year and thus probably having lower stamina.
Let him become a Shawn Kemp first, and when he improves a lot and stays at that level for many years without getting injured, he can be Malone 2.0 with Barkley's energy.

graphic-er
06-15-2011, 04:20 PM
Blake Griffin is already a top 10 NBA player why would you say EJ wouldn't want to play with him? I guess it just didn't make sense to me. DG makes mistakes all year round **** LBJ makes mistakes every game it is part of the game. He is a rookie he is only gonna get better by next season he should be a top 5 NBA. **** he deserved to be starting in the all star game this season the guy is insane.

Just saying he might want to come to Indiana more, thus he should reject the extension thats all i'm saying. I'm pretty sure by the end of next year EJ will know if he wants to continue being a Clipper. They have just as good a chance to suck next year too, they will be lucky to improve to .500 on the season.

No way would I call Griffin a 10 ten player in the league. He hasn't even made the Clippers better yet. 29 wins last year, 32 wins this year. They went 7-9 in their own division. By your standards he should be the 2nd best player in his division behind Kobe, but they went 7-9! The Lakers were the only team in the Divison that had a better than .500 record.

He might be the 10 the best PF in the league. I guess thats pretty good for a rookie.

pacer4ever
06-15-2011, 04:23 PM
Just saying he might want to come to Indiana more, thus he should reject the extension thats all i'm saying. I'm pretty sure by the end of next year EJ will know if he wants to continue being a Clipper. They have just as good a chance to suck next year too, they will be lucky to improve to .500 on the season.

No way would I call Griffin a 10 ten player in the league. He hasn't even made the Clippers better yet. 29 wins last year, 32 wins this year. They went 7-9 in their own division. By your standards he should be the 2nd best player in his division behind Kobe, but they went 7-9! The Lakers were the only team in the Divison that had a better than .500 record.

He might be the 10 the best PF in the league. I guess thats pretty good for a rookie.
name 10 players better than blake

The Clippers should be a playoff team next year the Clipper are so young it is ridiculous.

ballism
06-15-2011, 04:23 PM
Blake Griffin is already a top 10 NBA player why would you say EJ wouldn't want to play with him? I guess it just didn't make sense to me. DG makes mistakes all year round **** LBJ makes mistakes every game it is part of the game. He is a rookie he is only gonna get better by next season he should be a top 5 NBA. **** he deserved to be starting in the all star game this season the guy is insane.

imo he's nowhere close to top 10 atm.
But I agree, it makes no sense for EJ to leave and go to the Pacers of all teams. The only reasons to leave would be the owner / management / coaching, not the Blake Griffin. If he wants to go to Bulls, ok, I'd get it, it's a contender. Clippers have more talent than Pacers.

Even if he would want to leave the Clippers, no way he declines a multi year extension after last injury. It's just too risky.
Would anyone on this board decline an extension in Gordon's place?

graphic-er
06-15-2011, 04:32 PM
name 10 players better than blake

The Clippers should be a playoff team next year the Clipper are so young it is ridiculous.

LOL I give you Power Forwards better than Griffin right now.

Dirk
Gasol
Zbo
Stat
Bosh
Horford
Duncan
Boozer
Love / Griffin

I could even add Paul Milsap to that last as well.

naptownmenace
06-15-2011, 04:33 PM
I would also ad that if I was EJ I would rather play with a 21/22 years old all star player in BG than come to Indy and play with a 28 years old former all star in Danny, is not even close.

The Clippers will be good enough to compete for the playoffs next year and he gets to stay in LA for a great portion of the year. Those are 2 additional reasons to stay.

graphic-er
06-15-2011, 04:37 PM
The Clippers will be good enough to compete for the playoffs next year and he gets to stay in LA for a great portion of the year. Those are 2 additional reasons to stay.

Which of the 8 playoff teams in the West will the Clippers be better than?

naptownmenace
06-15-2011, 04:38 PM
LOL I give you Power Forwards better than Griffin right now.

Dirk
Gasol
Zbo
Stat
Bosh
Horford
Duncan
Boozer
Love / Griffin

I could even add Paul Milsap to that last as well.

You have a point. Blake has room to improve but just based off this past season he was better than Duncan, Boozer, Horford, and Bosh. Those four power forwards weren't even the best player on their respective teams.

pacer4ever
06-15-2011, 04:39 PM
LOL I give you Power Forwards better than Griffin right now.

Dirk
Gasol
Zbo
Stat
Bosh
Horford
Duncan
Boozer
Love / Griffin

I could even add Paul Milsap to that last as well.
Boozer lol
Bosh last year lol
Duncan last year lol

Horford i dis agree


my point being is why would EJ leave a 22 yr old BG who is better than DG already to play with an older DG and weaker cast doesn't make sense

ballism
06-15-2011, 04:41 PM
LOL I give you Power Forwards better than Griffin right now.

Dirk
Gasol
Zbo
Stat
Bosh
Horford
Duncan
Boozer
Love / Griffin

I could even add Paul Milsap to that last as well.

Ok, I wouldn't put Boozer and Duncan there.
But I would certainly add LaMarcus Aldridge.
And I'd think very hardly about adding KG. If I'm replaying last season and have to pick KG or Blake for my team, I'd pick KG pretty easily over a rookie Blake. For 2011/12, Blake.

And Love to me was a clearly better player than Blake last year. Similar numbers, even more dysfunctional team, but he's more versatile offensively and can bang around with any center.

Griffin may be an MVP candidate very soon. But right now, certainly not an All-NBA player yet.

graphic-er
06-15-2011, 04:42 PM
You have a point. Blake has room to improve but just based off this past season he was better than Duncan, Boozer, Horford, and Bosh. Those four power forwards weren't even the best player on their respective teams.

Griffin wasn't the best player on his team either, EJ was!

pacer4ever
06-15-2011, 04:43 PM
Griffin wasn't the best player on his team either, EJ was!

I am EJ's biggest fan and i disagree

naptownmenace
06-15-2011, 04:44 PM
Which of the 8 playoff teams in the West will the Clippers be better than?

I said that they would "compete" for the playoffs. I never said they would be actually make it there.

I'll humor you though and say that Denver could easily fall out of playoff contention if they are unable to re-sign Nene, KMart, and Wilson Chandler. They're also going to need a SG because Aflalo and JR Smith are both FAs and probably won't be back.

New Orleans could slide too if they lose David West and Landry.

graphic-er
06-15-2011, 04:46 PM
I said that they would "compete" for the playoffs. I never said they would be actually make it there.

I'll humor you though and say that Denver could easily fall out of playoff contention if they are unable to re-sign Nene, KMart, and Wilson Chandler. They're also going to need a SG because Aflalo and JR Smith are both FAs and probably won't be back.

New Orleans could slide too if they lose David West and Landry.

Okay Maybe Denver but I'd say the Jazz are a lock to take their place next year. Like i said, Clippers will be lucky to make .500 next season.

ballism
06-15-2011, 04:47 PM
You have a point. Blake has room to improve but just based off this past season he was better than Duncan, Boozer, Horford, and Bosh. Those four power forwards weren't even the best player on their respective teams.

And Griffin would be the best player on the Heat?
Horford was the best player on the Hawks imo. And it's not about stats with him, his defense is miles ahead of Blake's at this point.

graphic-er
06-15-2011, 04:50 PM
Boozer lol
Bosh last year lol
Duncan last year lol

Horford i dis agree


my point being is why would EJ leave a 22 yr old BG who is better than DG already to play with an older DG and weaker cast doesn't make sense

LOL okay so you disagree with 4 out of my 10 PFs, So you agree that there are aleast 6 better than BG, and probably Alridge is better too, and yet the contention was that BG is a top 10 player in the league. We have already 6 players at his own position better than him right now. Not looking good for your argument there. ;)

pacer4ever
06-15-2011, 04:50 PM
Okay Maybe Denver but I'd say the Jazz are a lock to take their place next year. Like i said, Clippers will be lucky to make .500 next season.

lol i cant wait for the season if you truly believe this. They should be a playoff contender if everyone stays healthy. Lat year they played decent after they started 1-13. They will only get better they are still very young and improving. A lot depends on how Aminu plays at the SF.

pacer4ever
06-15-2011, 04:53 PM
LOL okay so you disagree with 4 out of my 10 PFs, So you agree that there are aleast 6 better than BG, and probably Alridge is better too, and yet the contention was that BG is a top 10 player in the league. We have already 6 players at his own position better than him right now. Not looking good for your argument there. ;)

what i meant by top 10 player is name 10 other guys EJ would want to play with for the next decade.


I could only name a few because Blake make EJ's job easier Blake creates room for EJ to shoot and they are very good in the PnR together. Put EJ on the Pacers he will have a tougher time of scoring because we have no one who demands a double team in the post.

naptownmenace
06-15-2011, 04:58 PM
Griffin wasn't the best player on his team either, EJ was!

You also have to recognize that Blake was the leading scorer and rebounder and he nearly average 4 assists a game (which is great for a PF). He dropped 47 points and 14 rebounds on the Pacers and he was the only Clipper selected for the All-Star team. And you really shouldn't over look his 2 triple-doubles.

I'm a fan of EJ but because Blake had such a great season and since he missed 26 games, I can't say he was the best player.

graphic-er
06-15-2011, 04:59 PM
I am EJ's biggest fan and i disagree

EJ is better defender, way better shooter, scorer, a closer, better from the foul line by miles. Griffin is only better at the things he should be better at based on his size. Rebounding and Dunking.

naptownmenace
06-15-2011, 05:03 PM
And Griffin would be the best player on the Heat?
Horford was the best player on the Hawks imo. And it's not about stats with him, his defense is miles ahead of Blake's at this point.

Difference of opinion then. I still think Joe Johnson is the best player on the Hawks but could definitely see why someone would say Horford is. Also it's a moot point because Horford is a center. He was even named to the All-NBA 3rd Team as a center.

Amare Stoudamire was also voted to the All-Star team and All-NBA 2nd Team as a Center... but I'm not arguing that Blake Griffin was better than him.

naptownmenace
06-15-2011, 05:11 PM
This thread is getting a little confusing off topic so I'll just say that I would absolutely love for the Pacers to some how trade for EJ. I'm a fan of his and I love the way he plays the game.

I think a trade is the only way the Pacers will be able to get him and it would probably take some sort of 2-player combination of Paul George, DC, or Hibbert to get the Clippers to even discuss it.

Pacergeek
06-15-2011, 05:25 PM
re-signing with the Clippers would be career suicide. A team only known for losing. sure BG had a great rookie season, but the media pimped him way too much. Just because you put up good numbers, doesn't make you all NBA. I would be shocked if the Clippers got any better next season. They are a franchise destined for losing.

pacer4ever
06-15-2011, 05:28 PM
re-signing with the Clippers would be career suicide. A team only known for losing. sure BG had a great rookie season, but the media pimped him way too much. Just because you put up good numbers, doesn't make you all NBA. I would be shocked if the Clippers got any better next season. They are a franchise destined for losing.

:rolleyes:

Pacergeek
06-15-2011, 05:28 PM
i'm not even sure that BG will be the best player from this class in a few years. Demarcus Cousins and John Wall also had strong rookie seasons.

pacer4ever
06-15-2011, 05:31 PM
i'm not even sure that BG will be the best player from this class in a few years. Demarcus Cousins and John Wall also had strong rookie seasons.

:laugh:

they both played on shitter teams and put up worse numbers

plus that isnt even his class his was a year previous

90'sNBARocked
06-15-2011, 05:32 PM
Seriously, he is a good player, fun to watch. Love the high lights reels, but he is not a sound basketball player. No jumper, lacks consistent defense, to many risky plays trying to add to his highlight reel resulting in lots of TO's, he is a terrible from the foul line. This guy was an all-star based off his highlight dunking ability and that is all. 12 rebounds a game is very impressive though.

But like i said, he has multiple holes in his game. Not an elite player yet. Maybe he fixes these holes, maybe he doesn't. But a team with so much talent one would think they could muster more than 30 wins.

Seriously?

respectfully disagree my friend

PR07
06-15-2011, 06:22 PM
Blake Griffin did a spin move in the open court, and then through down a dunk over Galinari? How many big guys in the league can do that? A spin move in the open court, quickly followed by a dunk? To say "he's not fundamentally sound" is not accurate. Yes, he probably has work to do defensively like most young big men, but the guy's literally the total package.

Pacersalltheway10
06-15-2011, 06:22 PM
EJ back to Indy has picked up steam AFTER they dealed Baron Davis. Again I believe it will come down to Sterling vs Gordon. I just don't see how The clips will improve enough to even get close to the playoffs in the west. Griffen was so good last year you would have expected them to at least get 40 wins.

Lakers, Mavs, Spurs, Grizzlies,Thunder, Jazz, Portland, Denver (I see them keeping nene and chandler who is a rfa) even the hornets would be ahead if they keep Chris Paul, West, and Landry.

Trophy
06-15-2011, 06:30 PM
Wow look at all the :troll:s in this thread.

Isaac
06-15-2011, 06:44 PM
Blake Griffin did a spin move in the open court, and then through down a dunk over Galinari? How many big guys in the league can do that? A spin move in the open court, quickly followed by a dunk? To say "he's not fundamentally sound" is not accurate. Yes, he probably has work to do defensively like most young big men, but the guy's literally the total package.

He traveled pretty badly on that move.

The Clippers have a ceiling higher than ours over the next few years and who wouldn't rather live in LA than Indy? Makes sense to me.

Trophy
06-15-2011, 06:48 PM
I also take it people aren't staying awake for the Western games and/or just don't have LP.

Blake is going to be something amazing and the Clippers will be too.

I don't get how anyone can't see him as a top 10 guy in this league. Again, it makes me believe they aren't even watching what he does.

Trophy
06-15-2011, 06:53 PM
He traveled pretty badly on that move.

The Clippers have a ceiling higher than ours over the next few years and who wouldn't rather live in LA than Indy? Makes sense to me.

He's been wanting to be back near his family and he grew up watching the Pacers so I guess that's making it difficult on him.

The bright lights and big market doesn't seem to be of interest to EJ. He tends to always be in Indy often.

I mean I'd love to get him. He'd be great and I'd want him leading this team, but he's in a good situation in LA.

CableKC
06-15-2011, 07:01 PM
If the Clippers just wanted to get rid of BD why not just bench him and draft Kyrie Irving.

Let's hope that the Pacers win 50 games next year (if no lockout) and Clippers win less than 30.
They wanted to get rid of BDiddy not only because of EJs concerns ( which was news to me ) but because they want to clear BDiddy's overpaid contract from the books. MoWill's contract is roughly $4 to 5 mil a year cheaper then BDiddy's more expensive contract. That $$ saved will go a long way to improve the Team.

yoadknux
06-15-2011, 07:21 PM
a team with cap space is likely to extend their young star's contract? how weird :confused:

pacer4ever
06-15-2011, 07:36 PM
They wanted to get rid of BDiddy not only because of EJs concerns ( which was news to me ) but because they want to clear BDiddy's overpaid contract from the books. MoWill's contract is roughly $4 to 5 mil a year cheaper then BDiddy's more expensive contract. That $$ saved will go a long way to improve the Team.

it was not about money Sterling was just fed up with the clown for his antics.

PacersHomer
06-15-2011, 08:16 PM
Sterling will keep the Clippers from ever becoming contenders. Why would any black player want to play for his team? Or play for him while he heckles them from the sidelines? Sterling is an awful human being.

Trophy
06-15-2011, 08:19 PM
Sterling will keep the Clippers from ever becoming contenders. Why would any black player want to play for his team? Or play for him while he heckles them from the sidelines? Sterling is an awful human being.

:picard:

WTF are you even talking about? What a rude comment.

Kemo
06-15-2011, 08:36 PM
If the Clippers just wanted to get rid of BD why not just bench him and draft Kyrie Irving.



Uh , Baron was traded to Cleveland.. lol

ballism
06-15-2011, 09:28 PM
:picard:

WTF are you even talking about? What a rude comment.

Heh. You've clearly missed a huge public discourse.


DONALD STERLING would bring women into the locker room after games, while the players were showering, and make comments such as, 'Look at those beautiful black bodies.'


"And when he finished, Donald said something that was very shocking to me. He said, ‘Personally, I would like to have a white Southern coach coaching poor black players. And I was shocked. And he looked at me and said, ‘Do you think that's a racist statement?' I said, ‘Absolutely. That's plantation mentality."


When Manning's agent told Sterling that the offer was unacceptable, Sterling responded by saying it was a lot of money.

Said Baylor, in the deposition: "Donald T. said, ‘Well that's a lot of money for a poor black ... ' -- I think he said kid. For a poor black kid I think. For a poor black something, kid or boy or something. Poor black. Poor black.

"Danny was upset. So Danny just stormed out. He just stormed out of the place. Where he went, I don't know. He never came back to the house."


http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Donald-Sterling-allegedly-acted-terribly-in-the-?urn=nba-304544
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Elgin-Baylor-accuses-Clipper-owner-of-a-plantat?urn=nba-283733

That's not even going outside basketball, like the lawsuit for racial discrimination in his housing projects.

ilive4sports
06-15-2011, 09:36 PM
Blake Griffin has so many holes in his game... yet is still able to put up 22.5ppg, 12.1rpg, 3.8apg on 50% shooting. Oh and he was 4th in the entire league in efficiency. Oh and this was in his rookie season.

Blake Griffin is going to be a dominant force in the NBA for years to come.

idioteque
06-15-2011, 09:42 PM
Sterling is a cheap, racist ******* that has no business in an NBA arena, much less as an NBA owner. The Clippers will be bad forever and Blake Griffin will be in Brooklyn in 4 years.

Trophy
06-15-2011, 09:43 PM
Heh. You've clearly missed a huge public discourse.


http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Donald-Sterling-allegedly-acted-terribly-in-the-?urn=nba-304544
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Elgin-Baylor-accuses-Clipper-owner-of-a-plantat?urn=nba-283733

That's not even going outside basketball, like the lawsuit for racial discrimination in his housing projects.

I knew this guy's a real dick with his money, but wow I don't think I've ever come across this.

Someone who would go about saying something like this should not be owning a professional sports franchise.

Makes me want to get EJ even more. He's a good kid and I know I wouldn't want to be around someone like that.

pacer4ever
06-15-2011, 09:50 PM
I knew this guy's a real dick with his money, but wow I don't think I've ever come across this.

Someone who would go about saying something like this should not be owning a professional sports franchise.

Makes me want to get EJ even more. He's a good kid and I know I wouldn't want to be around someone like that.

he has been a document racist since at least the 80s just google his name and the first thing that pops up his all the crazy **** he does.


http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=jones/060810

he refuses to let blacks or Latinos buy his houses that he rents out

ballism
06-15-2011, 09:55 PM
Blake Griffin has so many holes in his game... yet is still able to put up 22.5ppg, 12.1rpg, 3.8apg on 50% shooting. Oh and he was 4th in the entire league in efficiency. Oh and this was in his rookie season.

Blake Griffin is going to be a dominant force in the NBA for years to come.

Sure, and so is Melo. Points, assists, rebounds and % are a poor reflection of defensive effort.
In a few years, Blake has to be an MVP candidate given his talent. But to get there, he will have to put some sort of effort into D. I'm not asking all-defense, with his lack of length he probably will never be a dominant defender. But at least average.
This year, his D effort went way down after the first month, and his focus went way into offense, but we can't ask for more yet. He's a rookie.
In three or four years though, if he does not improve on D, he'll be the Melo of power forwards, instead of being LeBron of power forwards as he should with his talent.

So yeah. If you are talking about future talent. Sure. Who's arguing he's not talented, exactly? Was there someone in this thread who said he's not talented? I surely didn't see it.
But if you are saying he's got no major holes today, or that he's at the top today, that's not true.

graphic-er
06-15-2011, 11:27 PM
For somebody with his athleticism why does he only block like .5 shots a game? Top 10 players are 2 way players. There is a reason why we murdered them at Conseco last year.

pacer4ever
06-15-2011, 11:30 PM
For somebody with his athleticism why does he only block like .5 shots a game? Top 10 players are 2 way players. There is a reason why we murdered them at Conseco last year.

do you remember what he did to you in LA he went for damm near 50

the guy is a 22 and 12 guy arguing with you is just a waste of time.

Sandman21
06-15-2011, 11:35 PM
Yeah, he went for 50 partially because our idiotic then-coach stuck JAMES POSEY on him and thought he could contain him!

Slick should have gone down there and punched JOB's lights out and took over coaching that game.

pacer4ever
06-15-2011, 11:36 PM
Yeah, he went for 50 partially because our idiotic then-coach stuck JAMES POSEY on him and thought he could contain him!

ya totally it had nothing to do with skill what so ever :rolleyes:

Merz
06-15-2011, 11:40 PM
do you remember what he did to you in LA he went for damm near 50

the guy is a 22 and 12 guy arguing with you is just a waste of time.

You?

Alright, clipper4ever.

:D

pacer4ever
06-15-2011, 11:46 PM
You?

Alright, clipper4ever.

:D

ya totally :rolleyes:

using one game either way to debate how good BG is is just stupid. Saying because we shut him down in indy he isn't a elite player :bs:

Merz
06-15-2011, 11:54 PM
ya totally :rolleyes:

using one game either way to debate how good BG is is just stupid. Saying because we shut him down in indy he isn't a elite player :bs:

I'm not arguing about Griffin's ability, I'm just giving you are hard time for referencing the Pacers as "you" instead of "us" or quite simply "the Pacers".

pacer4ever
06-15-2011, 11:55 PM
I'm not arguing about Griffin's ability, I'm just giving you are hard time for referencing the Pacers as "you" instead of "us" or quite simply "the Pacers".

you should know by now my typing sucks and am not very skilled in that department

Eleazar
06-15-2011, 11:56 PM
do you remember what he did to you in LA he went for damm near 50

the guy is a 22 and 12 guy arguing with you is just a waste of time.

The last double-double guy we had only made this team worse, so I don't see your point. If there was anyone in this league that was overrated last year it was Blake Griffin. He did great for his first season (I can't call him a rookie, just because he didn't play doesn't mean he wasn't with the team), but take away the highlight reel and he might not even be rookie of the year.

graphic-er
06-16-2011, 12:05 AM
do you remember what he did to you in LA he went for damm near 50

the guy is a 22 and 12 guy arguing with you is just a waste of time.

And we still almost won the game! Thats how bad he is defensively.

Its too bad we had James Posey stuck on him in the 4th instead of somebody who might actually contend with his athleticism like Jmac.

pacer4ever
06-16-2011, 12:12 AM
And we still almost won the game! Thats how bad he is defensively.

Its too bad we had James Posey stuck on him in the 4th instead of somebody who might actually contend with his athleticism like Jmac.

defensively i compare him to Jmac it is poor but he can get better. My only thing is if EJ had too pick who he would team up with a young BG or DG that decision seems easy to be just basing on talent. But you are saying that isn't the case that just doesn't make sense to me.

Trophy
06-16-2011, 12:13 AM
he has been a document racist since at least the 80s just google his name and the first thing that pops up his all the crazy **** he does.


http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=jones/060810

he refuses to let blacks or Latinos buy his houses that he rents out

Why the hell is this guy owning a team?

imawhat
06-16-2011, 12:42 AM
::facepalm::

ilive4sports
06-16-2011, 01:11 AM
Sure, and so is Melo. Points, assists, rebounds and % are a poor reflection of defensive effort.
In a few years, Blake has to be an MVP candidate given his talent. But to get there, he will have to put some sort of effort into D. I'm not asking all-defense, with his lack of length he probably will never be a dominant defender. But at least average.
This year, his D effort went way down after the first month, and his focus went way into offense, but we can't ask for more yet. He's a rookie.
In three or four years though, if he does not improve on D, he'll be the Melo of power forwards, instead of being LeBron of power forwards as he should with his talent.

So yeah. If you are talking about future talent. Sure. Who's arguing he's not talented, exactly? Was there someone in this thread who said he's not talented? I surely didn't see it.
But if you are saying he's got no major holes today, or that he's at the top today, that's not true.

I didn't say he didn't have flaws. But saying Griffin "has so many holes in his game that he might as well be swiss cheese" is clearly going overboard. He needs to improve his defense and should get more blocks. I fully expect both to improve as he you know, gets past his first year of playing in the NBA. His FT % improved quite a bit during the season. Started at 58% in the first month and hit 72.5% in March and dipped back down to 62.5% in April. His jumper got better as the season went on too. He likes a spot on the left side of the court, about 15 feet out. During pregame he will take a lot of jumpers in that area, finding the exact spot where he wants to be.

You don't average 22 and 12 on 50% shooting in your rookie season and have so many holes in your game that will prevent you from being great in this league. There is a reason he won the ROY in a landslide. Even looking at past winners, his season was better than theirs. There isn't a player in the league that doesn't have a hole or two in their game. Especially when they were a rookie.

Pacersalltheway10
06-16-2011, 01:14 AM
Granger vs Blake is obvious but Granger, Collison, Paul George, Hibbert, Hans vs Blake and D. Jordan is another story IMO. If Paul George is really the best player from the 2010 draft class over John Wall ,Favors, or Cousins in 5 years ( I think 3-4)then I would want to play with him and an improved Hibbert and Collison. Granger could still be. 16-20ppg scorer as well. I think Blake doesn't have much more to improve he really is the real born ready.

Pacersalltheway10
06-16-2011, 01:19 AM
ya totally it had nothing to do with skill what so ever :rolleyes:

Really though, he would have had significantly less points. Were talking about James "too slow" Posey here.

itzryan07
06-16-2011, 02:13 AM
wtf?! I can't believe i'm reading that blake is not appealing to play with because "he doesn't have much to improve". smh, Blake kicked our *** when we played them in LA. Of course he only dunks right now. He has a high *** ceiling. U know how many mid range shots he hit against us to get his career high? idk exact but it was a lot

Pacersalltheway10
06-16-2011, 02:28 AM
wtf?! I can't believe i'm reading that blake is not appealing to play with because "he doesn't have much to improve". smh, Blake kicked our *** when we played them in LA. Of course he only dunks right now. He has a high *** ceiling. U know how many mid range shots he hit against us to get his career high? idk exact but it was a lot

Calm down. We all have our opinions. When did I say he wasnt appealing to play with? He you just said it yourself that he already has a midrange game. People like you who get so defensive over stupid things are my pet peeve.

itzryan07
06-16-2011, 02:31 AM
Calm down. We all have our opinions. When did I say he wasnt appealing to play with? He you just said it yourself that he already has a midrange game. People like you who get so defensive over stupid things are my pet peeve.

i wasn't referring to just you. I've been reading it in the whole thread.

Pacersalltheway10
06-16-2011, 02:40 AM
I think his ceiling is Karl Malone type 28-30ppg 11-13 rpg and 3-4 apg 1 bpg 1 spg which is not far from his current averages. That's not a bad thing at all. People who are expecting him to be Wilt or Bill Russel or even Kareem just aren't being realistic.

ballism
06-16-2011, 07:41 AM
I didn't say he didn't have flaws. But saying Griffin "has so many holes in his game that he might as well be swiss cheese" is clearly going overboard. He needs to improve his defense and should get more blocks. I fully expect both to improve as he you know, gets past his first year of playing in the NBA. His FT % improved quite a bit during the season. Started at 58% in the first month and hit 72.5% in March and dipped back down to 62.5% in April. His jumper got better as the season went on too. He likes a spot on the left side of the court, about 15 feet out. During pregame he will take a lot of jumpers in that area, finding the exact spot where he wants to be.

You don't average 22 and 12 on 50% shooting in your rookie season and have so many holes in your game that will prevent you from being great in this league. There is a reason he won the ROY in a landslide. Even looking at past winners, his season was better than theirs. There isn't a player in the league that doesn't have a hole or two in their game. Especially when they were a rookie.

Ok, so we are basically arguing about what kind of metaphors you can use for his current flaws? He is a horrific defender right now, one of the worst at his position. You can call him a swiss cheese or a teddy bear, who really cares, if you understand what was meant by it.

90'sNBARocked
06-16-2011, 08:40 AM
Sterling will keep the Clippers from ever becoming contenders. Why would any black player want to play for his team? Or play for him while he heckles them from the sidelines? Sterling is an awful human being.

This times 1000

That **** sucka would never get anything from me

he carries himself as an arrogant racist prick. his comments are deploarble and I , as a white cat wouldnt play for him either because his beliefs strongly differ from mine

90'sNBARocked
06-16-2011, 08:42 AM
do you remember what he did to you in LA he went for damm near 50

the guy is a 22 and 12 guy arguing with you is just a waste of time.

never argue with an idiot, people form a distance cant tell who is who

:)

anyone who thinks Blake wont be a stud for a long time, I dont even know how to respond

graphic-er
06-16-2011, 09:16 AM
never argue with an idiot, people form a distance cant tell who is who

:)

anyone who thinks Blake wont be a stud for a long time, I dont even know how to respond

Apparently people who have differing opinions are idiots. There is always somebody just like you in every thread. Launch the personal insults from a distance. Never actually add anything to the discussion. Kudos to you.

PR07
06-16-2011, 09:26 AM
I'm pretty sure MJ had holes in his game and relied heavily on his athleticism when he first entered the league too. Bashing Griffin for that is idiotic.

ballism
06-16-2011, 09:31 AM
So saying someone is not a top 10 player in the game yet = bashing?
Saying Blake is top 10 already - well, to me that's being a fan boy.
It's weird how many ppl are ready to jump the gun and crown the guy without actually seeing full picture. Or well, maybe it's not weird, media always has a bigger influence on perception than actual games.

graphic-er
06-16-2011, 09:35 AM
You don't average 22 and 12 on 50% shooting in your rookie season and have so many holes in your game that will prevent you from being great in this league. There is a reason he won the ROY in a landslide. Even looking at past winners, his season was better than theirs. There isn't a player in the league that doesn't have a hole or two in their game. Especially when they were a rookie.

I'm not inferring that he is chopped liver or anything. I've said he is a good player. But the contention is he elite yet like P4E has said. There is noway you can say he is elite. I'm not sure he will ever be elite. It will take alot of work to become a good defender. He does not close out well, he doesn't block shots, can't defend the pick n roll. Which i think is very strange that he is so far behind on one side of the ball like he is. The dude had a whole year to sit and watch NBA level defenses and study film.

And if the topic is why would Eric Gordon chose the Pacers over Griffin, well next year will tell all, because the the Clippers will probably suck again next year too, and Eric Gordon will be looking for greener pastures.