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ballism
06-15-2011, 01:39 PM
Not much has changed for us.
Otherwise, Biyombo goes a little up. Vucevic projected in the lottery.


With the June 13 date to withdraw from the NBA draft and the adidas Eurocamp behind us, we are now just a week from when the selections will be made.

The draft remains fluid at this point. Teams are still engaged in the workout process and are beginning to narrow down their lists, but the final draft order is still far from certain.

"Good luck with your mock draft," one GM said to me as he was departing Treviso, Italy. "I'll be interested in seeing who we are taking since I still don't know."

Here's our most informed take, after talking to numerous NBA team sources, about how the draft might play out June 23.



1. Cleveland
(via L.A. Clippers)


Kyrie Irving
Position: PG
Height: 6-foot-4
Weight: 191 pounds
Age: 19
School: Duke

Analysis: There have been a lot of interesting theories floating around the past week about why Cleveland won't be taking Irving No. 1. I still don't buy it. The Cavs have been shopping Baron Davis and Ramon Sessions hard in the past week.

Williams is still in the picture here at No. 1 in part because the Cavs feel they could get a very good point guard (either Brandon Knight or Kemba Walker) at No. 4 ... but sources continue to stress that it's Irving's to lose.


2. Minnesota


Derrick Williams
Position: PF
Height: 6-9
Weight: 249
Age: 20
School: Arizona

Analysis: Still hearing that the Wolves are hoping they can get a great offer for the No. 2 pick. But if they don't they'll just take Williams and work out the rest this summer via trades. If they get Williams, Michael Beasley could be gone by the time next season starts.


3. Utah
(via New Jersey)


Brandon Knight
Position: PG
Height: 6-3
Weight: 177
Age: 19
School: Kentucky

Analysis: Brandon Knight and Kemba Walker are both possibilities at guard. Enes Kanter, Jonas Valanciunas and Jan Vesely will also get a look here. The Jazz have a huge workout on June 15 when Walker and Jimmer Fredette are expected to work out for them.

Knight will come in at some point too, though he still seems to be refusing to work out with Walker or Fredette. While it's still possible the Jazz go big with this pick and select either a player like Kanter, Valanciunas or Vesely -- they're likely to try to select a franchise point guard if either Knight or Walker blows them away. If Fredette wins the battle on the 15th ... that could push the Jazz to go big here and try to nab Fredette with the 12th pick.


4. Cleveland


Jonas Valanciunas
Position: C
Height: 6-10
Weight: 230
Age: 19
Country: Lithuania

Analysis: I've had Kanter in this position since Mock Draft 1.0, but it's time to make the biggest change I've made to our board. From what I gather, the Cavs appear to be cooling a bit on Kanter and warming to Valanciunas.

Vesely and Leonard are in the picture too and would both be good fits. But this may be the Cavs' only chance to draft a legit 7-foot center. Valanciunas is raw, but he has big upside.




5. Toronto


Jan Vesely
Position: PF
Height: 6-11
Weight: 240
Age: 21
Country: Czech Republic

Analysis: Bryan Colangelo could go a number of directions here. He has strong interest in both Brandon Knight and Kemba Walker. If Knight is on the board, I think he doesn't get past here. If just Walker is here, the question for Colangelo is what to do with Leandro Barbosa and Jerryd Bayless. Both players are similar to Walker.

The Raptors could go with an international player such as Kanter, Valanciunas, Vesely or Bismack Biyombo. Of the four, sources say, Vesely is the highest on their board.




6. Washington


Enes Kanter
Position: C
Height: 6-11
Weight: 260
Age: 19
Country: Turkey

Analysis: The Wizards know they aren't taking a point guard -- not with John Wall in the fold. So the questions are: Who's the best player on the board and what do they need? The Wizards are very high on Vesely, but in this mock he's off the board.

Kawhi Leonard is an option. He brings toughness, defense and versatility to a team that can use all three attributes. But the Wizards are really looking for rebounding help up front and Kanter is a very good fit here. He's tough, he isn't afraid to be physical and he has good size. Tristan Thompson is a dark horse here as well.




7. Sacramento


Kawhi Leonard
Position: SF
Height: 6-7
Weight: 228
Age: 19
School: San Diego State

Analysis: If the draft plays out this way, the Kings could go in three different directions. They could go with Leonard, who would help solve a major need at small forward or they could choose between Walker and Fredette at the point. We've had Walker in this position for weeks, but mostly because we've had Leonard off the board.

Fredette, as we've been writing for the past two weeks, is the dark horse here. The Maloof brothers love him and he's probably a better fit in the Kings' backcourt than Walker. If Leonard is off the board, Fredette could be the pick.




8. Detroit


Kemba Walker
Position: PG
Height: 6-1
Weight: 184
Age: 21
School: UConn

Analysis: For the past few weeks, we've had the Pistons taking Valanciunas, but with Valanciunas now going No. 4, it looks like the Pistons will be down to three prospects: Kemba Walker, Tristan Thompson and Bismack Biyombo.

Walker is the safe pick, though he doesn't actually fill a major need. Thompson has upside. And, from what I gather, the team is still very high on Biyombo. The Pistons know how to develop a defensive stopper like him and I'm told their trip to Spain to see him went well.

Still, at the end of the day, I think the Pistons draft the best player available, Walker, and look at moving Rodney Stuckey to the 2.



9. Charlotte


Marcus Morris
Position: PF
Height: 6-9
Weight: 230
Age: 21
School: Kansas

Analysis: The Bobcats haven't been the greatest drafters the past few years. Michael Jordan is determined to change that. The thinking in Charlotte is to not take big risks. To go with a proven product. To aim at the double instead of the home run.

Morris, with his versatility, toughness and Kansas pedigree is a very good option. Klay Thompson, Chris Singleton and Jordan Hamilton are all in the mix as well.




10. Milwaukee


Klay Thompson
Position: PG
Height: 6-7
Weight: 206
Age: 21
School: Washington St.

Analysis: I think this pick likely comes down to Thompson and Alec Burks. They play the same position, but have different strengths. Thompson is a shooter, Burks is a slasher.

With the Bucks telling me pretty strongly that they're holding on to Brandon Jennings as their point guard, and with the team making a strong drive to get back in the playoffs, I think Thompson is a better fit.




11. Golden State


Bismack Biyombo
Position: PF
Height: 6-9
Weight: 243
Age: 18
Country: Congo

Analysis: Jerry West is a fan of Klay Thompson and would likely select him if he's still on the board. But if he and Marcus Morris are off the board, the Warriors could be the team that takes a chance on Biyombo. The team desperately needs to improve its defense, shot-blocking and rebounding. Biyombo has the tools to do that right away.





12. Utah


Chris Singleton
Position: SF
Height: 6-9
Weight: 230
Age: 21
School: Florida State

Analysis: We've had Singleton here for weeks and we're not moving him unless the Jazz draft a forward with the No. 3 pick. With Andrei Kirilenko heading into free agency, the Jazz are going to want a defensive stopper who can guard multiple positions.

Tristan Thompson, Jimmer Fredette and Alec Burks are all possibilities here too.




13. Phoenix


Alec Burks
Position: SG
Height: 6-6
Weight: 193
Age: 19
School: Colorado

Analysis: The Suns are in that awkward spot between pushing for the playoffs and rebuilding. Lon Babby says the team will be emphasizing defense and Tristan Thompson could be a solid direction to go.

But if Burks is on the board, he may be very hard to pass up on. He has star potential if he ever learns how to shoot. With Vince Carter likely out of the picture in Phoenix, Burks also fits a need.





14. Houston


Nikola Vucevic
Position: C
Height: 7-0
Weight: 260
Age: 20
School: USC

Analysis: Could Vucevic really go this high? That's the word among a number of NBA GMs who are raving about his workouts. Some have argued that the differences between him and Enes Kanter are very slim.

With the Rockets in desperate need of some size in the paint, Vucevic could be the answer. He's not the world's greatest athlete, but he is skilled, has an NBA body and is ready to play now.





15. Indiana


Jimmer Fredette
Position: PG
Height: 6-3
Weight: 196
Age: 22
School: Brigham Young

Analysis: The Pacers could go a number of different ways here, but for the third straight week I think Fredette will be their man. There's a good chance that Jimmer is off the board when they draft, but if he's here, he'll be very hard to pass up.

Tristan Thompson and Markieff Morris are all also serious options here as well if both are still on the board.





16. Philadelphia


Tristan Thompson
Position: PF
Height: 6-9
Weight: 228
Age: 20
School: Texas

Analysis: Thompson could go as high as No. 5 or No. 6. But he also could slide. Just about every team I spoke to likes him a lot, but I've yet to find the team that's fallen in love. I doubt he slips further than this though. The Sixers need more size, toughness and rebounding. Thompson provides all three. Jordan Hamilton and Markieff Morris are also options here.





17. New York


Marshon Brooks
Position: SG
Height: 6-5
Weight: 195
Age: 22
School: Providence

Analysis: The Knicks are really hoping that either Klay Thompson or Jimmer Fredette fall to them. But if they don't, watch out for Brooks. He had a great workout in New York, has the sort of swagger that Knicks guards need and the Knicks were wowed by his ability to pass the ball too.

Brooks, at 22, doesn't have the upside of a guy like Josh Selby, but his size advantage is big and so is his ability to step in and play right away.





18. Washington
(via Atlanta)


Jordan Hamilton
Position: SF
Height: 6-9
Weight: 229
Age: 20
School: Texas

Analysis: Hamilton is often compared to Wizards small forward Rashard Lewis. Both are big men with sweet strokes that can catch fire. But with Lewis on the back end of his career and the Wizards actively shopping him, I don't think the team will shy away from adding another scorer to put around John Wall.





19. Charlotte
(via New Orleans)


Markieff Morris
Position: PF/C
Height: 6-9
Weight: 241
Age: 21
School: Kansas

Analysis: The Bobcats have needs just about everywhere and Morris should be a good fit. He's strong, he's defensive minded, he rebounds and he blocks shots. He's a bit undersized to play the 5, but his ability to stretch the floor will be welcomed.





20. Minnesota
(via Memphis)


Donatas Motiejunas
Position: PF
Height: 7-0
Weight: 220
Age: 19
Country: Lithuania

Analysis: The Wolves have the best group of international scouts in the NBA and if Motiejunas falls this far, I think they'd snap him up here. He's an aggressive scorer and has size -- two things the Wolves could use in the post.

Marshon Brooks, Kenneth Faried, Nikola Mirotic and Charles Jenkins are also possibilities.





21. Portland


Kenneth Faried
Position: PF
Height: 6-8
Weight: 225
Age: 21
School: Morehead State

Analysis: The Blazers fell in love with Faried last year before he withdrew from the draft. If they are fortunate enough to get a second chance at him this year, they'll grab him. His relentlessness on the boards is a nice complement to LaMarcus Aldridge's more offensive-minded style.

Markieff Morris, Tobias Harris, Darius Morris, Reggie Jackson are other players to watch.





22. Denver


Tobias Harris
Position: PF
Height: 6-8
Weight: 223
Age: 18
School: Tennessee

Analysis: Harris may be one of the more underrated players in the draft. He can play both the 3 and 4, and he has a very high basketball IQ and an NBA body. Harris doesn't do any one thing at an elite level, but he is one of the most well-rounded players in the draft.

Charles Jenkins, Iman Shumpert and Tyler Honeycutt are other possibilities here.





23. Houston
(via Orlando)


Darius Morris
Position: PG
Height: 6-4
Weight: 190
Age: 20
School: Michigan

Analysis: We have the Rockets going big with pick No. 14 and we have them going big again at No. 23. Morris is a different kind of big. He's a point guard who towers over the competition. If he were a better shooter he'd be going much, much higher in the draft. But at this point he's a steal.





24. Oklahoma City


Nikola Mirotic
Position: SF
Height: 6-10
Weight: 226
Age: 21
Country: Serbia

Analysis: Sam Presti is an opportunist, and he is patient -- two critical traits in a great GM. Mirotic, based on talent, is a lottery pick. But a massive buyout means he won't be playing in the NBA anytime soon. Mirotic shocked NBA teams by deciding to stay in the draft.

It will likely take him three years to actually make it to the NBA, but given the talent level, the Thunder could be getting a major steal down the road. If Mirotic is off the board, Davis Bertans and Bogan Bogdanovic are possibilities.




25. Boston


Jeremy Tyler
Position: C
Height: 6-11
Weight: 263
Age: 19
Team: Tokyo Apache

Analysis: The Celtics are going to start rebuilding soon and they need to hit a home run again the same way they did with Rajon Rondo. Tyler could be that guy. If he had played in college, he might have had a chance to be a top-10 pick with his talent.

He's long, athletic and raw, but if he succeeds, he could be a major pickup for the Celtics. JaJuan Johnson, Justin Harper and Jon Leuer are also possibilities.





26. Dallas


Josh Selby
Position: PG
Height: 6-3
Weight: 195
Age: 20
School: Kansas

Analysis: The Mavs have won the title, but now it's time to begin thinking about the future. While the Mavs may have one more long run in those veteran legs, it's unlikely. Selby, like Tyler, could be a home run if he's developed right. His ability to get to the basket is really unmatched.





27. New Jersey
(via L.A. Lakers)


Reggie Jackson
Position: PG
Height: 6-3
Weight: 208
Age: 21
School: Boston College

Analysis: Yes, the Nets have Deron Williams. But he's not a sure thing to stay in New Jersey after next season. Even if he does, Jackson would be a terrific backup and a player who could play off the ball in certain situations.

Had he not had a knee injury when the predraft process began, he could've gone much higher. He's great value here. Justin Harper, Tyler Honeycutt, JaJuan Johnson and Jeremy Tyler are all options here too.





28. Chicago
(via Miami)


Justin Harper
Position: PF
Height: 6-9
Weight: 228
Age: 21
School: Richmond

Analysis: Harper was one of the best stretch 4s in college basketball last season. He also has size and is a pretty good athlete. The Bulls need perimeter shooting and Harper should be able to give them some.

Charles Jenkins, Tyler Honeycutt and Jeremy Tyler are also possibilities.





29. San Antonio


Davis Bertans
Position: SF
Height: 6-10
Weight: 210
Age: 18
Country: Latvia

Analysis: The Spurs have done a good job over the years of finding young international players and stashing them overseas for a few years until they're ready.

Bertans showed he can be a big-time shooter at the Nike Hoop Summit and adidas Eurocamp. At 18, he's worth taking a flier on and seeing what he can accomplish after another year or two in Europe.





30. Chicago


Tyler Honeycutt
Position: G/F
Height: 6-8
Weight: 188
Age: 20
School: UCLA

Analysis: The Bulls need scorers in their backcourt and ultimately need to find a backup for Derrick Rose at point guard. Honeycutt wasn't a dominating scorer in college, but his versatility should make him a nice fit in Chicago.

Next Five In: JaJuan Johnson, F, Purdue; Charles Jenkins, G, Hofstra; Nolan Smith, G, Duke; Jordan Williams, F/C, Maryland; Chandler Parsons, F, Florida

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Kraft
06-15-2011, 01:42 PM
Copy editor alert:


But this may be the Cavs' only chance to draft a legit 7-foot center.

... for a guy he listed at 6-10.

MillerTime
06-15-2011, 01:48 PM
I dont see Jimmer falling that low

Kstat
06-15-2011, 01:49 PM
Kemba...bleh.

ballism
06-15-2011, 01:52 PM
Copy editor alert:



... for a guy he listed at 6-10.

Afaik, he's 6-10 without shoes and he's still growing.
He may very well end up 7-1 with shoes when he's fully grown. Not to mention long arms.

Edit - according to Valanciunas himself on draftexpress, he's almost 6-11 without shoes.

Kraft
06-15-2011, 01:54 PM
Afaik, he's 6-10 without shoes and he's still growing.
He may very well end up 7-1 with shoes when he's fully grown. Not to mention long arms.

If only it said that.

Since86
06-15-2011, 01:57 PM
Copy editor alert:



... for a guy he listed at 6-10.

They've listeed Klay Thompson as a PG for two straight weeks. Not sure if he has an editor, or one that pays much attention to detail anyway.

(Even when discussing Klay, he say's that he plays the same position as Alec Burks who they have listed as a SG)

PacerPenguins
06-15-2011, 01:59 PM
i really like markeif morris..... would love to have him

CooperManning
06-15-2011, 01:59 PM
I feel like Klay Thompson isn't going as high as 10. Interesting that Ford thinks there's not much chance he makes it past the Warriors. Cool with me.

rexnom
06-15-2011, 02:07 PM
I like Fredette in this draft. I'd be very happy with him at 15. I doubt he'll fall that far though.

Professor S
06-15-2011, 02:16 PM
This draft is a huge win for us if we actually have the ability to choose between Fredette and Brooks. I have a gut feeling neither will be available.

Cactus Jax
06-15-2011, 02:31 PM
Kemba...bleh.

I can't see the Pistons taking Kemba even if he is available at 8. Not with Stuckey, and Gordon around already, the Pistons are most likely going big even if they have to reach a little to do so.

Jimmer would be cool at 15 but he doesn't make it to 15, someone will draft before or there will be a trade for a team to move up and take him, there's just too many teams interested. I honestly see the Kings taking him at 7, Pistons going big at 8, and the Bobcats getting Kemba at 9.

90'sNBARocked
06-15-2011, 03:08 PM
I doubt Jimmer gets past Utah at 12 or even Phoenix at 13

I really hope he is good so the pressure to pick wont be there

kind of like last year when Utah picked Gordon

Dr. Awesome
06-15-2011, 03:47 PM
I hope Jimmer doesn't make it to 15.

Sparhawk
06-15-2011, 04:02 PM
I don't see Utah drafting Singleton. They need a shooting guard and possible point help.

I don't like Ford's mock for us.

ChristianDudley
06-15-2011, 04:13 PM
Does anybody think we'll see any certain players fall particularly far down and then into the middle of the 2nd round--just like last year with Lance Stephenson or you could even say that about Daniel Orton since he was supposed to go lottery and then went 30th?? Reggie Jackson keeps falling and if he keeps falling even more, maybe we could wind up with him in the 2nd round. I'm highly doubtful, but it would be nice for us!

ensergio
06-15-2011, 04:14 PM
If Freddette is there at 15, take him and don't look back, but i want trade down for Faried.

PacerPenguins
06-15-2011, 05:59 PM
ive read on multiple websites that we are talking to the knicks about swapping picks. I cant start a new thread atm bc my connection is rly laggy right now.

PacerPenguins
06-15-2011, 06:01 PM
I hope that is true

http://www.jaywashere.com/2011-nba-mock-draft-new-york-knicks-and-indiana-pacers-talking-1st-round-swap/

http://www.iamagm.com/news/2011/06/15/rumors.knicks.and.pacers.discussions.swap.draft.pi cks.kings.7.could.be.moved

tfarks
06-15-2011, 06:04 PM
What could we expect from that?

Bird is definitely confident one of his guys will fall to him.

Pacersalltheway10
06-15-2011, 06:10 PM
I don't see any reason to swap picks. If your guy is there, take him . What's the point?
I just hope that we are swapping picks as part of a larger deal. Kings may move #7 also.

Gamble1
06-15-2011, 06:12 PM
I don't see Utah drafting Singleton. They need a shooting guard and possible point help.

I don't like Ford's mock for us.
They need a replacement for AK47 thats why they would draft Singleton.

PacerGuy
06-15-2011, 06:13 PM
ive read on multiple websites that we are talking to the knicks about swapping picks. I cant start a new thread atm bc my connection is rly laggy right now.

For what? if we're moving down behind 2 other Eastern teams we better be getting something worth wild, & I don't think NY has anything left to give.

90'sNBARocked
06-15-2011, 06:24 PM
I dont know if there is anyone outside of Stat , I would take off the Knicks hands

Pacersalltheway10
06-15-2011, 06:27 PM
The only thing I see swapping picks would be good for is to get cash considerations and use those to help buy another pick.

PR07
06-15-2011, 06:29 PM
The Knicks are apparently interested in trading up to get a shooter aka Jimmer or Brooks. Wait, isn't that who we're rumored to be interested in?

JB24
06-15-2011, 07:10 PM
I'd take 17 and Toney Douglas. Would the Knicks give him up?

CableKC
06-15-2011, 07:15 PM
i really like markeif morris..... would love to have him
Markieff seems like the "safe but nothing spectacular" bet if we were to go with a Frontcourt Player.

CableKC
06-15-2011, 07:27 PM
I dont know if there is anyone outside of Stat , I would take off the Knicks hands
He's not a huge Star or anything...but I'd easily take Ronny Turiaf. He's a total "blue collar / Lunchpale" type of Player that Bird loves to have on his Team is a huge Lockerroom Vet with a lot of heart and drive. I'd take him to replace Foster as the Backup Big Man that can play next to both Hansbrough and Hibbert as a Rebounding Shotblocker.

I wouldn't do a "15 for 17+Turiaf" but I'd easily take Turiaf off of their hands for a TPE type of trade.

xBulletproof
06-15-2011, 07:43 PM
Is it just me or does his mock draft not change? lol

Pacersalltheway10
06-15-2011, 10:09 PM
He's not a huge Star or anything...but I'd easily take Ronny Turiaf. He's a total "blue collar / Lunchpale" type of Player that Bird loves to have on his Team is a huge Lockerroom Vet with a lot of heart and drive. I'd take him to replace Foster as the Backup Big Man that can play next to both Hansbrough and Hibbert as a Rebounding Shotblocker.

I wouldn't do a "15 for 17+Turiaf" but I'd easily take Turiaf off of their hands for a TPE type of trade.

Turiaf can't be traded because hes a free agent ( player option i think)

Pacersalltheway10
06-15-2011, 10:18 PM
@chadfordinsider
Chad Ford Bismack Backlash: In wake of shaky Euro workout, Biyombo now offering to work out for few teams in the US - Pistons & Knicks both got calls


If he falls to #17 then I would do a swap with the Knicks.

Kid Minneapolis
06-15-2011, 10:27 PM
The Knicks are apparently interested in trading up to get a shooter aka Jimmer or Brooks. Wait, isn't that who we're rumored to be interested in?

Ya, I'm not interested in making this trade unless they do one of their patented stupid Knick-moves.

The Knicks apparently want the same guys we do, why would we trade? No one on the Knicks I'm overly interested in.

Anthem
06-15-2011, 10:56 PM
@chadfordinsider
Chad Ford Bismack Backlash: In wake of shaky Euro workout, Biyombo now offering to work out for few teams in the US - Pistons & Knicks both got calls


If he falls to #17 then I would do a swap with the Knicks.
If he's there at #15 and you think he'll be anything, take him at #15.

pwee31
06-16-2011, 08:05 AM
@chadfordinsider
Chad Ford Bismack Backlash: In wake of shaky Euro workout, Biyombo now offering to work out for few teams in the US - Pistons & Knicks both got calls


If he falls to #17 then I would do a swap with the Knicks.

Perhaps this is who the Knicks are trying to trade up to get. They need a center next to Amare and would like to get better defensively. If the Pacers have no interest in Biyombo, perhaps the Knicks are looking to jump ahead of the Sixers if he slides, as the Sixers will be looking for a big as well.

That's really the only thing that makes sense as I don't think the Sixers would bother taking Jimmer or Marshon Brooks? If any it would be Jimmer, which would mean the Pacers are more high on Marshon and would like to add an asset, or lose a contract in the process

Speed
06-16-2011, 08:12 AM
BUCKS NOTES: Thompson has the look of a great shooter


http://www.journaltimes.com/sports/article_2e58d9a4-97db-11e0-90ee-001cc4c002e0.html

GERY WOELFEL gwoelfel@journaltimes.com (http://www.journaltimes.com/search/?l=50&sd=desc&s=start_time&f=html&byline=GERY WOELFELgwoelfel@journaltimes.com)JournalTimes.com | <!-- AP Updated -->Posted: Thursday, June 16, 2011 12:39 am |

Let me preface my thoughts on an NBA draft prospect with these words: There will never, ever be another Reggie Miller.
Miller was one of the most incredible shooting guards the world has ever seen. His repertoire of shots was simply mind-boggling.
In the eyes of many pro hoops observers, there was only one better shooting guard during Miller's era in the NBA and I think we all know who that is.

Which brings us to that draft prospect: Klay Thompson. He's a shooting guard from Washington State and, yes, he reminds me a lot of Miller - at the same stage in their careers.
Let us count the ways they are similar:

- Thompson can flat-out shoot the ball and shoot it with range, just like Miller did. He shoots the 3-pointer effortlessly.

- Thompson is hardly an athletic specimen but is clever with the ball and has an uncanny knack for getting his shot off whenever he desires, just like Miller did.

- Thompson has a slender build. So did Miller. Thompson weighs just a few pounds north of 200. Miller was just a few pounds south of 200.

- Thompson is 6-foot-7. Miller is 6-7.

- Thompson played in the Pac-10 Conference as did Miller, who went to UCLA.

- Thompson is perceived as a "soft'' player, the same perception Miller had entering the 1987 draft.

- Thompson is confident and articulate. Ditto for Miller.

- Thompson is projected to be drafted somewhere between 10 - where the Bucks pick - and 14. Miller was drafted by the Indiana Pacers at No. 11.

After Thompson worked out for the Bucks Wednesday at the Cousins Center, I couldn't help but tell Thompson how he is, in so many ways, similar to Miller.

Much to my surprise, and delight, Thompson said I was the second person in recent days who had favorably compared him to Miller.

That other person, Thompson said, was none other than the man who drafted Miller for the Pacers.

"Donnie Walsh told me that, too, after I worked out for the New York Knicks,'' Thompson said of the Knicks president and general manager. "I shot the ball pretty well in their workout and, because we have similar builds and similar size, Donnie told me how I really, strongly reminded him of Reggie Miller.''

When I noted how there were plenty of Miller skeptics when he entered the draft, and how 10 other teams passed on him, a broad smile came to Thompson's face.

"That could be me then,'' Thompson said excitedly. "I hope so anyway because I love Reggie's game.

"He wasn't the most overly athletic guy, but he sure knew how to play. That's exactly how I try to play.

"If I could be anything like him, if I could play like him one day, wow. That would be amazing.''

In that workout for the Knicks, Thompson was amazing. And he was Milleresque. He made a remarkable 21 of 25 3-point attempts.

- Thompson is an avid Los Angeles Lakers fan - his father, Mychael won three NBA titles while playing for the Lakers - but he said playing in Milwaukee could serve him well.

"I'd love to play here,'' Thompson said. "I love the city; I haven't been to a city I really don't like. But I know they have a good fan base here and the facilities are really nice.

"And I think I could just focus on basketball here.''

- Cory Higgins, a guard from Colorado, was one of six players who worked out for the Bucks Wednesday.

Next up for Higgins: a workout with the Charlotte Bobcats. The Bobcats president of basketball operations just happens to be his father, Rod.

"It's going to be weird, but I'll be fine,'' Cory Higgins said. "I'll be in a comfortable setting with people I know.''

Higgins, who played in the shadow of projected lottery pick Alec Burks at Colorado, isn't on most mock draft lists. And that, according to Jordan Hamilton, is a mistake.

"I think Cory Higgins is a good player; I think he should be a draft pick,'' said Hamilton, the Texas shooting guard who also worked out for the Bucks and is a virtual lock to be taken in the lottery. "I think he's flying under the radar.''

- Hamilton is on a short list of players the Bucks are seriously considering with the 10th overall pick. But there's a chance he might not be on the board when they make their selection.
Hamilton has already worked out for the Charlotte Bobcats and, according to an observer, turned in the best performance among a talented group that included Kawhi Leonard of San Diego State, Chris Singleton of Florida State and Tyler Honeycutt of UCLA.

The Bobcats were so impressed they have asked Hamilton to return for another workout. The Bobcats have the ninth overall selection.

- Hamilton, when asked who he patterns his game after, said, "As a two (shooting guard), I think I'm like James Harden. As a three (small forward), I'm a cross between Danny Granger and Paul Pierce.''

- Considering how the Bucks have a keen interest in both Hamilton and Thompson, Higgins was asked to play the role of his father and evaluate both players' games.

"They both can shoot the heck out of the ball,'' Higgins said. "Jordan is tough because he's so big and can get his shot off so easily. That's a great asset for him.

"Klay is crafty and quick. He's quicker than you think. Klay is a good shooter, too. But there's a lot more to his game than just shooting. He's great at putting the ball on the floor and I don't think a lot of people have recognized that yet.
"I think both will be just fine.''

- Two veteran NBA scouts agreed the draft's two biggest risers are Texas power forward Tristan Thompson and Singleton.

- All indications are the Bucks will pass on Brigham Young University guard Jimmer Fredette if he's on the board when they pick.

- As of Monday, teams could extend qualifying offers to restricted free agents. The Bucks haven't done that with Luc Mbah a Moute yet, although it's only a matter of time before they will.

- Look for Cleveland, which has the Nos. 1 and 4 picks in the draft, to pull the trigger on a trade and acquire another pick in the teens

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Lots of interesting stuff here. I wonder who the team in the teens that Cleveland has a possible deal with, I'd love to get JJ Hickson or Sideshow Bob as part of a deal like that?

Jimmer not going to the Bucks at 10.

Singleton and Tristan Thompson being risers?

Klay Thompson and Reggie comparison seems weak to me, Reggie was spectacular because he got 99.9 % out of his abilities and he was an assasin, those are characteristics that are very very rare.

pacers74
06-16-2011, 08:19 AM
Klay Thompson is starting to sound more and more intriuging. We might need to grab "the next Reggie Miler" if he is there at 15.

Hicks
06-16-2011, 09:47 AM
I dont know if there is anyone outside of Stat , I would take off the Knicks hands

I think he's getting way too hyped this year (much like Channing Frye once was when he was a Knick, too, btw), but Landry Fields comes to mind. I'm not high (or low, really) on him, but maybe Larry likes him better than Brandon and would be willing to do that trade. Just a thought.

Speed
06-16-2011, 12:08 PM
ESPN has the draft tiers out but its insider. Anyone care to post?

Since86
06-16-2011, 12:23 PM
ESPN has the draft tiers out but its insider. Anyone care to post?

I've been following Chad on Twitter, and he's putting his tier's into historical perspective.

Greg Oden is a tier 1 player. So I guess drafting a player who never plays is a great value for a draft pick. Rubio is a 2nd tier... How freaking dumb. Just say "pick 1 to X is tier 1, pick x to pick x is tier 2, etc." because obviously what tier he places them in has nothing to do with on-court performance.

Professor S
06-16-2011, 12:31 PM
I've been following Chad on Twitter, and he's putting his tier's into historical perspective.

Greg Oden is a tier 1 player. So I guess drafting a player who never plays is a great value for a draft pick. Rubio is a 2nd tier... How freaking dumb. Just say "pick 1 to X is tier 1, pick x to pick x is tier 2, etc." because obviously what tier he places them in has nothing to do with on-court performance.

If you read his explanations it makes sense. It is based on how they graded as prospects at the time they were drafted. Hindsight being 20/20, it's easy to call Oden a disappointment. But at the time it was a consensus opinion that he was the next dominant center.

This year, no one grades out at a Tier 1 level for him. He likes Irving and Williams, and considers them to be potential All-Stars, but neither projects to be a dominant, game changing force in the league.

I may not agree with all of his rankings, but his methods make sense.

Professor S
06-16-2011, 12:34 PM
ESPN has the draft tiers out but its insider. Anyone care to post?

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft2011/insider/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&page=Tiers-110616

Every time I put up a new mock draft (Mock Draft 5.0 came out Wednesday), I get a lot of feedback from readers who wonder how I put it together and how it differs from the Top 100. This is how it works: Both pieces are reported pieces. In other words, I talk with NBA scouts and executives to get a sense of:



A. Which teams like which players (mock draft).



B. What the consensus is among all 30 NBA teams about who the best players in the draft are (Top 100).



I use the word "consensus" lightly. Often, even GMs and scouts employed by the same team can't agree on rankings of players.



I had a very interesting conversation in Treviso, Italy, last week with a number of NBA executives and scouts about just how subjective this process is, how many backroom fights go on, and how, from time to time, teams literally don't make up their minds until they are on the clock. They gave me a lot of (off the record) funny examples. The point was that every team does things a little differently, and even within a team, there often isn't much consensus.



Obviously, both the mock draft and Top 100 are imperfect because the draft is an inexact science. NBA teams do more than watch prospects play games. They work out players, give them psychological tests, do background checks and conduct personal interviews. All of this factors into the process and can change opinions.



Factor in the ranking wars with another age-old debate -- do you draft for need or for the best player available? -- and it's no surprise the draft can be so volatile. Many teams take into account holes at certain positions (i.e., the team has no small forward) or coaching/system preferences (i.e., the Knicks draft players who can fit into coach Mike D'Antoni's system) when making their decisions.



To make sense of disparate rankings and debates over team needs, the past few years I've chronicled a draft ranking system employed by several teams that have been very successful in the draft, what I call a tier system. Instead of developing an exact order from one to 60 of the best players in the draft, these teams group players, based on overall talent, into tiers. Then, the teams rank the players in each tier based on team need.



This system allows teams to draft not only the best player available, but also the player who best fits a team's individual needs.



So what do the tiers look like this year? After talking to several GMs and scouts whose teams employ this system, I put together these tiers. (Because the teams do not want to divulge their draft rankings publicly, the teams will remain anonymous.)



Players are listed alphabetically in each tier.






Tier 1

None

Note: This category is usually reserved for guys who are surefire All-Stars/franchise players. Last year, John Wall was the only guy in this tier. In 2009, Blake Griffin was the guy here. This year, Kyrie Irving and Derrick Williams are at the top of the draft, but neither guy is projected as a franchise player or a surefire All-Star.





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Tier 2
Kyrie Irving (draft range: 1 to 2)
Derrick Williams (1 to 3)



Note: Irving and Williams are the two top players on the boards of the teams I spoke with, regardless of team needs. Both players are projected to be starters and potential All-Stars. While it looks like Irving has the best shot of going No. 1, there's still an outside chance it could be Williams.





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Tier 3

Enes Kanter (2 to 6)
Brandon Knight (3 to 7)
Kawhi Leonard (5 to 9)
Jonas Valanciunas (3 to 8)
Jan Vesely (3 to 10)
Kemba Walker (3 to 9)



Note: This is a larger-than-usual Tier 3, which says something about how NBA GMs are seeing this draft. They believe the six players above all have NBA All-Star potential, but all six have significant weaknesses that could keep them from living up to it. All six players were consensus Top 10 picks. Leonard and Walker barely squeaked into this tier. A number of teams have them in Tier 4. Some teams believe Knight, Kanter and Valanciunas could all end up as Tier 2, or even Tier 1, players over time.





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Tier 4

Bismack Biyombo (8 to 20)
Alec Burks (10 to 17)
Jimmer Fredette (7 to 15)
Marcus Morris (9 to 15)
Chris Singleton (10 to 18)
Klay Thompson (9 to 17)
Tristan Thompson (6 to 16)



Note: This is a smaller-than-usual tier and it was difficult to find a real consensus here. Teams are saying that these seven players will likely fill out the rest of the lottery. This is where the real depth of the draft is. Biyombo, Burks, Singleton and both Thompsons each got one or two Tier 5 votes. Since we've listed 15 players, one of these eight will likely slip out of the lottery.





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Tier 5

Davis Bertans (17-29)
Marshon Brooks (13-20)
Kenneth Faried (13-21)
Jordan Hamilton (11-19)
Tobias Harris (14-22)
Tyler Honeycutt (18-30)
Reggie Jackson (17-31)
Nikola Mirotic (20-30)
Darius Morris (21-35)
Markieff Morris (13-19)
Donatas Motiejunas (12-20)
Josh Selby (17-28)
Nikola Vucevic (14-21)



Note: These players look like locks for the first round, but most likely won't make the lottery. A few teams had Brooks, Harris, Markieff Morris and Vucevic in Tier 4, but not quite enough for them to make the cut; they were very close, though. Bertans, Honeycutt, Jackson, Mirotic and Darius Morris were borderline picks here. Every one of these players dropped out of the top 30 on at least one NBA team's draft board.





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Tier 6 (All First-Round Bubble)

Bojan Bogdanovic
Jimmy Butler
Norris Cole
Justin Harper
Charles Jenkins
JaJuan Johnson
Malcolm Lee
Travis Leslie
Jon Leuer Shelvin Mack
Chandler Parsons
Kyle Singler
Iman Shumpert
Nolan Smith
Trey Thompkins
Jeremy Tyler
Jordan Williams

Note: This is what I would call the first-round bubble group, and this is where the consensus started to break down. A few teams had Harper, Jenkins and Tyler in Tier 5, but many did not. Overall, there are just two spaces left in the first round ... so most of the players on this list are falling to the second round.




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So how does the tier system work?


A team ranks players in each tier according to team need. So, in Tier 4, if point guard is the biggest need, a player like Fredette is ranked No. 1. If shooting guard is the biggest need, Alec Burks or Klay Thompson is ranked No. 1.



The rules are pretty simple. A team always drafts its highest-ranked player in a given tier. Also, a team never takes a player from a lower tier if one from a higher tier is available. So, for example, the Bucks are drafting No. 10 (Tier 4 territory); if Kawhi Leonard (a Tier 3 player) is on the board, they take him regardless of positional need. If the Bucks have Klay Thompson ranked No. 1 in Tier 4, they still take Leonard, even though shooting guard is a more pressing need.



This system protects teams from overreaching based on team need. The Bucks won't pass on a clearly superior player like Leonard to fill a need with Thompson. However, the system also protects a team from passing on a player who fits a need just because he might be ranked one or two spots lower overall.



Last year, I gave you my all-time favorite historical example from the Atlanta Hawks. Because of team positional needs, former GM Billy Knight took Marvin Williams ahead of Chris Paul and Deron Williams in 2005, and Shelden Williams ahead of guards such as Brandon Roy and Rajon Rondo in 2006.



Here's another one: The Raptors selected Rafael Araujo with the eighth pick in the 2004 NBA draft because they needed a center desperately. Most teams had Araujo as a Tier 4 player, but the Raptors selected him in a Tier 2 category because there were no centers available in their tier.



If the Raptors had employed a tier system, they would have ranked inside the tier based on team need and fit, rather than just ranking the prospects from 1-30.



In that case, the Raptors likely would have grabbed a player like Andre Iguodala instead.



Like every draft system, the tier system isn't perfect. But the teams that run it have found success with it. It has allowed them to get help through the draft without overreaching. Compared to traditional top-30 lists or mock drafts, it seems like a much more precise tool of gauging which players a team should draft.

Really?
06-16-2011, 12:37 PM
Hummm I am starting to think go big with the first round pick, and possibly try to trade up to early in the 2nd, late in the 1st and take a shot at Malcolm Lee... plays point and hearing a lot of good things about him especially on the defensive end... plus he is 6'6" and extremely fast...

Especially if Reggie Jackson is off the board... which is most likely possible..

90'sNBARocked
06-16-2011, 12:38 PM
I think he's getting way too hyped this year (much like Channing Frye once was when he was a Knick, too, btw), but Landry Fields comes to mind. I'm not high (or low, really) on him, but maybe Larry likes him better than Brandon and would be willing to do that trade. Just a thought.

Couldnt agree more on Landry Fields

I mean what other options did the Knicks have at SG?

I would rather, gulp, have Rush

Since86
06-16-2011, 12:48 PM
I didn't like my first response, sorry.

Comparing the tiers should be around what production they will have in the league, not comparing them to a pre-draft expected production of a player already in the league and actually producing.

I don't care what tier Oden was predicted to fall in, I care what tier he's actually in NOW.

That's how you compare players, and their projected impacts in the league, by actually comparing them to something tangible. Instead, he's just comparing them to nothing.

Why in the world do I care that BRush was predicted as a tier 4 player, before the draft, if he turned out to be a tier 6 player?

Telling me Brush was a tier 4 prospect and then saying Jimmer is a tier 4 prospect makes me think that Jimmer will perform like Brandon has been producing, and doesn't make me think of what he was projected as to be.

EDIT: I guess the best way of saying is that he's comparing projections against projections, when he should be comparing projections with actual production.

Really?
06-16-2011, 01:04 PM
I didn't like my first response, sorry.

Comparing the tiers should be around what production they will have in the league, not comparing them to a pre-draft expected production of a player already in the league and actually producing.

I don't care what tier Oden was predicted to fall in, I care what tier he's actually in NOW.

That's how you compare players, and their projected impacts in the league, by actually comparing them to something tangible. Instead, he's just comparing them to nothing.

Why in the world do I care that BRush was predicted as a tier 4 player, before the draft, if he turned out to be a tier 6 player?

Telling me Brush was a tier 4 prospect and then saying Jimmer is a tier 4 prospect makes me think that Jimmer will perform like Brandon has been producing, and doesn't make me think of what he was projected as to be.

Not just him, this is a lead wide thing, it just basically deals with the expectations of the players that are in the draft... They set it up this way so that when it gets to their pick they look at their highest teir and select between the players that are available...

In reference to previous years it is just showing how this year and previous years compared when ranking tier 4 talent.... as you can see some panned out and others didn't at all.. nothing is the end all be all but as far as selection this is the way that most teams work...

Since86
06-16-2011, 01:12 PM
I know what it's SUPPOSED to do, but it's not good at what it's doing.

If I tell you that Jimmer Ferdette and Brandon Rush are both in the same tier, do you think that Jimmer will turn out like Brandon or like how Brandon was supposed to turnout?

I picture him turning into the Brandon Rush that we know, not the Brandon Rush that he was supposed to be.

Once a player is drafted, and starts producing on the court, they should be moved into the tiers based on play and not projection. He's not comparing them to anything tangible.

When you think of Brandon Rush, you think of what he is rather than what he was supposed to be.

The Sleeze
06-16-2011, 01:16 PM
I moved this to it's own thread

*I based the needs off of who the Pacers have been bringing in for workouts and we all know we need a PF and a scorer*

So based on Pacers needs (PF, SG, PG, C, SF in that order), then the Pacers tiers would look like this:

Tier 1
None

Tier 2
Derrick Williams (PF)
Kyrie Irving (PG)


Tier 3
Enes Kanter (PF/C)
Jan Vesely (PF)
Brandon Knight (PG)
Kemba Walker (PG)
Jonas Valanciunas (C)
Kawhi Leonard (SF)


Tier 4
Tristan Thompson (PF)
Bismack Biyombo (PF)
Alec Burks (SG)
Jimmer Fredette (SG/PG)
Marshon Brooks (SG) (moved to tier 4 based on Pacers interest of him)
Klay Thompson (SG)
Marcus Morris (SF)
Chris Singleton (SF)


Tier 5
Kenneth Faried (PF)
Markieff Morris (PF)
Donatas Motiejunas (PF)
Reggie Jackson (PG)
Darius Morris (PG)
Josh Selby (PG)
Nikola Vucevic (C)
Jordan Hamilton (SF)
Tobias Harris (SF)
Davis Bertans (SF)
Tyler Honeycutt (SF)
Nikola Mirotic (SF)

So essentially we could just go down the list and mark people off and whoever is the highest left would be our pick....interesting.

Since86
06-16-2011, 01:32 PM
So essentially we could just go down the list and mark people off and whoever is the highest left would be our pick....interesting.

That's the simple part of it. Draft boards usually rate players higher if they're in a position of need. But if you're basing it off of BPA then that's how it works.

BPump33
06-16-2011, 01:34 PM
James (Indy)

Any idea on what the Pacers plan on doing with their pick at 15?

Chad Ford (1:33 PM)

I think they'll try to fill one of three needs. They need a long, athletic big man who can block shots and rebound. They want to add a bigger point guard to pair with Darren Collison. And they really need a player who can create his own shot off the dribble in the backcourt. Fredette fills two of those needs which is why he's projected to go here. If he's off the board, Tristan Thompson or Markieff Morris are the two likely suspects.

Really?
06-16-2011, 01:45 PM
I know what it's SUPPOSED to do, but it's not good at what it's doing.

If I tell you that Jimmer Ferdette and Brandon Rush are both in the same tier, do you think that Jimmer will turn out like Brandon or like how Brandon was supposed to turnout?

I picture him turning into the Brandon Rush that we know, not the Brandon Rush that he was supposed to be.

Once a player is drafted, and starts producing on the court, they should be moved into the tiers based on play and not projection. He's not comparing them to anything tangible.

When you think of Brandon Rush, you think of what he is rather than what he was supposed to be.

Umm so yes I am thinking about him turning out to a player with similar success to what Brandon was supposed to have, and that is the point... I don't get what u are trying to get at...

This is only talking about pre-draft potential, that is all... what would you like teams to make their decisions off of post draft potentials which they won't know for years.

And reference to the players from the past just show how accurate these have been..

I think the thing is that you are interpreting this who thing wrong, if they tell you that these tiers are supposed to show pre-draft potential of players then why would you making the assumption that Jimmer will turnout to be as productive as Rush... but somewhere between the range of previous tier 4 draft picks, you are looking at one specific case.

How about this if you want other tier 4 players that were successful then here u go, Paul George... just compare those two maybe that will make u happier.

When looking at the list of previous tier 4 players and seeing what they have did the expectations often do pretty well...

Tier 4 (non all-star role players):

Darrell Arthur, Donte Greene, DeAndre Jordan, Kosta Koufos, Brandon Rush, DeJuan Blair, Earl Clark, Austin Daye, Tyler Hansbrough, Gerald Henderson, Brandon Jennings, James Johnson, Ty Lawson, Eric Maynor, B.J. Mullens, DaJuan Summers, Jeff Teague, Terrence Williams, Sam Young, Cole Aldrich, Luke Babbitt, Eric Bledsoe, Avery Bradley, Gordon Hayward, Xavier Henry, Paul George, Patrick Patterson, Ekpe Udoh


Not too many of these players have All-Star potential from when they got into the league, only a select few have showed that type of talent. So looking at the overall trend, that is most likely what the group from this year will turnout to be, most likely somewhere between a tier 5 and tier 3 player...

If you want to interpret this more you can take away that these tier 4 players have a very ultra small possibility of ever showing tier 2 or tier 1 success...

Again this is just pre-draft potential aka where do you think their ceiling is.

Really?
06-16-2011, 01:51 PM
I moved this to it's own thread

*I based the needs off of who the Pacers have been bringing in for workouts and we all know we need a PF and a scorer*

So based on Pacers needs (PF, SG, PG, C, SF in that order), then the Pacers tiers would look like this:

Tier 1
None

Tier 2
Derrick Williams (PF)
Kyrie Irving (PG)


Tier 3
Enes Kanter (PF/C)
Jan Vesely (PF)
Brandon Knight (PG)
Kemba Walker (PG)
Jonas Valanciunas (C)
Kawhi Leonard (SF)


Tier 4
Tristan Thompson (PF)
Bismack Biyombo (PF)
Alec Burks (SG)
Jimmer Fredette (SG/PG)
Marshon Brooks (SG) (moved to tier 4 based on Pacers interest of him)
Klay Thompson (SG)
Marcus Morris (SF)
Chris Singleton (SF)


Tier 5
Kenneth Faried (PF)
Markieff Morris (PF)
Donatas Motiejunas (PF)
Reggie Jackson (PG)
Darius Morris (PG)
Josh Selby (PG)
Nikola Vucevic (C)
Jordan Hamilton (SF)
Tobias Harris (SF)
Davis Bertans (SF)
Tyler Honeycutt (SF)
Nikola Mirotic (SF)

So essentially we could just go down the list and mark people off and whoever is the highest left would be our pick....interesting.

Yup and one thing to keep in mind is that all teams have different tier boards, some teams might have darius Morris as a tier 4 player so when they draft him earlier it isn't really like they are going out side of their tier system.

Also one thing to keep in mind is that the tier system is just made up of counting numbers, so occasionally if there is a person that is a high tier 5 player compared to a low tier 4 player then maybe go with the tier 5 player if they are a better match for your team.

The Sleeze
06-16-2011, 02:04 PM
Also one thing to keep in mind is that the tier system is just made up of counting numbers, so occasionally if there is a person that is a high tier 5 player compared to a low tier 4 player then maybe go with the tier 5 player if they are a better match for your team.

That's how I would do it but according to Chad you never take someone from Tier 5 if someone from Tier 4 is still available, that's why you put them on Tier 4 because you think they are that much better than Tier 5.

Chad Forde: "The rules are pretty simple. A team always drafts its highest-ranked player in a given tier. Also, a team never takes a player from a lower tier if one from a higher tier is available. So, for example, the Bucks are drafting No. 10 (Tier 4 territory); if Kawhi Leonard (a Tier 3 player) is on the board, they take him regardless of positional need. If the Bucks have Klay Thompson ranked No. 1 in Tier 4, they still take Leonard, even though shooting guard is a more pressing need."

Since86
06-16-2011, 02:06 PM
Umm so yes I am thinking about him turning out to a player with similar success to what Brandon was supposed to have, and that is the point... I don't get what u are trying to get at...

This is only talking about pre-draft potential, that is all... what would you like teams to make their decisions off of post draft potentials which they won't know for years.

I can't say it any other way. Maybe I'm just failing at putting it down into words, but I'll try again.

The idea behind the tiers are correct. I understand the difference between a tier 1 player, and a tier 4 player.

But it doesn't matter what tier a player was in, in a draft from 3 years ago. When we think of a player, we don't think of what we thought he would be, we think of what he IS.

So when you see Jimmer in the 4th tier, and then he uses Brandon Rush as an example of a 4th tier, you start thinking that Jimmer will have similiar production to what Brandon has been producing, rather than what he was projected as producing.

Once a player establishes himself into the league, you don't really think too much about what the expectations were for them. Rather, you think of what they are.

It just makes it a little confusing, because you then have to think of how the compared player was supposed to turn out, rather than how they actually did turn out.

Can you remember who BRush was compared too when he was just a prospect? I can't. But I can tell you his value, as it is today.

Really?
06-16-2011, 02:14 PM
That's how I would do it but according to Chad you never take someone from Tier 5 if someone from Tier 4 is still available, that's why you put them on Tier 4 because you think they are that much better than Tier 5.

Chad Forde: "The rules are pretty simple. A team always drafts its highest-ranked player in a given tier. Also, a team never takes a player from a lower tier if one from a higher tier is available. So, for example, the Bucks are drafting No. 10 (Tier 4 territory); if Kawhi Leonard (a Tier 3 player) is on the board, they take him regardless of positional need. If the Bucks have Klay Thompson ranked No. 1 in Tier 4, they still take Leonard, even though shooting guard is a more pressing need."

Yeah that part doesn't make as much sense to me then.. I know one them that definitively goes by that standard, lol the T'wolves... I guess this can work out really bad, especially if the players don't turnout to be anywhere near successful.



I can't say it any other way. Maybe I'm just failing at putting it down into words, but I'll try again.

The idea behind the tiers are correct. I understand the difference between a tier 1 player, and a tier 4 player.

But it doesn't matter what tier a player was in, in a draft from 3 years ago. When we think of a player, we don't think of what we thought he would be, we think of what he IS.

So when you see Jimmer in the 4th tier, and then he uses Brandon Rush as an example of a 4th tier, you start thinking that Jimmer will have similiar production to what Brandon has been producing, rather than what he was projected as producing.

Once a player establishes himself into the league, you don't really think too much about what the expectations were for them. Rather, you think of what they are.

It just makes it a little confusing, because you then have to think of how the compared player was supposed to turn out, rather than how they actually did turn out.

Can you remember who BRush was compared too when he was just a prospect? I can't. But I can tell you his value, as it is today.

Ok, gotcha... Thanks man..

Heisenberg
06-16-2011, 07:13 PM
Jonathan Givony's Yahoo mock has us being interested in getting Minnesota's #20

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=Av3RJHyq9edr1RkfeV9s0oW8vLYF?slug=ycn-8648301


It’s difficult to see Minnesota adding another rookie, considering that they already have two slated to join their roster in Ricky Rubio and the No. 2 overall pick. This could be a prime location for a team to swoop in and take a talented player who is dropping down the board. At 18 years old, Tobias Harris isn’t ready to play big minutes for an NBA team right away, but has plenty of upside. Golden State, Indiana and other teams are reportedly among those looking the hardest at acquiring this pick.

Hicks
06-16-2011, 10:46 PM
I know we're mentioned as wanting to go up and/or down, but if I had to guess, we're just aggressively trying to compile as many different options as possible, so when the time comes, they can hopefully have a few different options they like (up, down, or out), and then decide which they like best. I don't think it's necessarily them being fixated on one particular kind of move.