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Anthem
10-14-2004, 01:54 PM
That's significant... it's always been a major hole in his game. He can hit from three, or hit a layup/dunk, but not much in between.

With a decent midrange game, he could really help in the frontcourt rotation.

One thing's for sure, though: I don't want Austin (or Bender) spending a single minute at the 3. If Artest isn't there, then Jackson should be. We want those backcourt minutes for Freddy whenever possible.

Kegboy
10-14-2004, 02:36 PM
Eh, we'll see. It seems to me that you can't "add a midrange game" in one summer. From the sounds of the article, he's worked a great deal on the two-step dribble-shoot Reggie does when he gets jumped at the arc. That's not a mid-range game, that's one move.

Even if he perfects it, that means Austin's got 3 moves instead of just 2. Wow, can't stop him now. :sarcasm:

ChicagoJ
10-14-2004, 03:36 PM
I don't see how Croshere is going to get many minutes this season, anyway, so I don't think it matters.

TheSauceMaster
10-14-2004, 03:56 PM
I don't see how Croshere is going to get many minutes this season, anyway, so I don't think it matters.

:signit::signit:

Doug
10-14-2004, 04:26 PM
If it were that easy to "add a midrange game", everybody would have one.

I know Austin has a rep as a hard worker over the summer, but still, I'll believe it when I see it.

Doug
10-14-2004, 04:50 PM
I "plan on adding" Tyra Banks to my list of conquests this weeked, but that doesn't mean it's bloody well likely.
Because she's going camping with me and you've got to stay 100 miles away. :-)

Unclebuck
10-14-2004, 05:13 PM
Decent article untuil the very last sentence. it says that Cro is just as effective no matter how much he plays. Wrong. he keeps a good attitude, and he stays in shape, but he needs a little time and consisitant time to get into the groove.

Eindar
10-14-2004, 05:23 PM
Decent article untuil the very last sentence. it says that Cro is just as effective no matter how much he plays. Wrong. he keeps a good attitude, and he stays in shape, but he needs a little time and consisitant time to get into the groove.

Bingo! Croshere has proven throughout his career that he is a far better player when he can get 20 or more minutes in a game. He needs a little while to work himself into a groove. Always has. That's why I think he should be playing for a team with a dominant center who can pass. Most often, those teams don't have great Power Forwards anyways, and Croshere's ability to hit the long range shot would open up the floor for guys like Yao. Face it, Croshere hasn't been the same since Smits retired, and JO, as good as he is, will never be a great passer.

beast23
10-14-2004, 07:31 PM
I don't see how Croshere is going to get many minutes this season, anyway, so I don't think it matters.Really? I don't see it that way.

Our front court is very thin of experienced players. JO, Jeff, Cro. That's it. Even if Bender comes along and Pollard does better this year, I'd bet on Croshere still getting 18-20 minutes per game.

Lord Helmet
10-14-2004, 07:34 PM
I hope Cro can add a midrange game.

ChicagoJ
10-14-2004, 09:51 PM
I don't see how Croshere is going to get many minutes this season, anyway, so I don't think it matters.Really? I don't see it that way.

Our front court is very thin of experienced players. JO, Jeff, Cro. That's it. Even if Bender comes along and Pollard does better this year, I'd bet on Croshere still getting 18-20 minutes per game.

Well, we'll see how it shakes out, but I see JO getting 38 mpg at center, and Foster and Bender splitting the PF minutes (Foster playing the same role as last year, starting and playing about 22-24 mpg, and Bender in Al's role of about 30 mpg, mostly at PF and a few minutes at SF.

If Harrison earns the backup C minutes, I don't see any time for Austin. If Austin plays backup C, then I guess I'd also give him 10 mpg at PF because, as discussed above, I agree with the notion that time to get into the groove. IMO, he needs to either play 20+ mpg or not at all. I'm fine with taking ten minutes of PF away from Jeff for Austin, but then why have Foster in the starting lineup if he's only playing 12 mpg?

I've rambled long enough... Who do you think would play less in order to make room for Austin?

ChicagoJ
10-15-2004, 09:51 AM
I don't see how Croshere is going to get many minutes this season, anyway, so I don't think it matters.Really? I don't see it that way.

Our front court is very thin of experienced players. JO, Jeff, Cro. That's it. Even if Bender comes along and Pollard does better this year, I'd bet on Croshere still getting 18-20 minutes per game.

Well, we'll see how it shakes out, but I see JO getting 38 mpg at center, and Foster and Bender splitting the PF minutes (Foster playing the same role as last year, starting and playing about 22-24 mpg, and Bender in Al's role of about 30 mpg, mostly at PF and a few minutes at SF.

If Harrison earns the backup C minutes, I don't see any time for Austin. If Austin plays backup C, then I guess I'd also give him 10 mpg at PF because, as discussed above, I agree with the notion that time to get into the groove. IMO, he needs to either play 20+ mpg or not at all. I'm fine with taking ten minutes of PF away from Jeff for Austin, but then why have Foster in the starting lineup if he's only playing 12 mpg?

I've rambled long enough... Who do you think would play less in order to make room for Austin?

Although, perhaps I've foolishly/ naively bought into the idea that Bender at 240 lbs. would be capable of joining the regular rotation. :shrug:

ChicagoJ
10-15-2004, 10:16 AM
Bigger Role a Real Possibility for Croshere


By Conrad Brunner | Oct. 14, 2004
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It's time again for the annual Austin Croshere preseason story. You know the one: how Croshere worked really hard in the offseason and is looking forward to playing more regularly in the coming year.
Only now, there is a twist.

It might really happen this time.

The trade of Al Harrington to Atlanta created a hole in the frontcourt rotation that some player, or combination of players, will have to fill. Croshere, now one of the elders of the roster at age 29, has a very real chance at a substantial bump in playing time.

"Obviously with Al leaving, it opens up a lot of minutes because he was our sixth man last year, so I'm in competition for that," Croshere said. "It kind of depends on what direction the team's going to go."

Harrington played both forward spots and averaged 30.9 minutes in 2003-04. The player acquired in the trade, Stephen Jackson, is primarily a shooting guard who can be used at small forward depending on matchups. That leaves the Croshere and Jonathan Bender as the forwards at the head of the line for a bigger role.

"I know the kind of player he is," said Coach Rick Carlisle. "Our team has changed this year to a point where there's an opportunity, if he seizes it, to play more."

Croshere appeared in 77 games last season, his most since the 2000-01 season, averaging 13.6 minutes, 5.0 points and 3.2 rebounds. He made 38.9 percent of his 3-point attempts, second on the team to Reggie Miller's 40.1 percent.

That ability to stretch the defense led Carlisle to use Croshere as a surprise starter in Game 4 of the Eastern Conference Finals and he responded with 14 points and a trio of 3-pointers in an 83-68 victory. He was shut out from the field in Game 5 and removed from the lineup for Game 6, both losses.

"His natural position is to play the shooting power forward position," said Carlisle. "He has played some three and he will play some five because he causes real matchup problems for the other team at the offensive end."

Sensing that opportunity, Croshere altered his normal summer routine. Rather than remaining in the Los Angeles area until training camp, he reported to Conseco Fieldhouse a month ago to get more extensive workouts with the coaching staff.

"I'm always optimistic," Croshere said. "Every year, I come in feeling like I had a great summer and I feel like every summer I've added something to my game, even though it hasn't been used a lot throughout the year. Obviously, this summer it was great to have such interaction with the coaches consistently. I came back early this summer for the first time in a while and got in three weeks of work with the coaches. They can see what I can do and I know a little more of what's going to be expected of me.

"I like to think I can do more than they think I can do, but that's the mentality of every player. That was part of coming in early, so they could see what I'm capable of and the things I've added to my game."

With Jermaine O'Neal sitting out the preseason opener, Croshere started at power forward. Though he didn't shoot well (0 for 3), he pulled seven rebounds in 24 minutes.

A strong long-range shooter who also can attack the basket off the dribble, Croshere has worked on his mid-range game. When opponents come after his 3-point shot, he wants to establish the deadly counter-move made famous by Miller stepping inside the moving defender and hitting the open 15-to-18-footer.

"The coaches were real active in coming out during the summer and giving me things to work on," he said. "Certainly, a little more of an in-between game (is a priority). My 3-point shooting is there, so people are coming out. It's a matter of, when they come flying at me, taking one dribble and making those types of shots. Whether I'm at the three or the four, I think they're going to use my perimeter shooting to space the floor."

Whatever role Croshere lands, he has demonstrated the ability to be productive. Carlisle often has credited Croshere's ability to stay ready when not playing, then contribute when called upon, as a major factor in the team's success last season.

He is the rare player who can help a team whether he plays a lot, or a little. This season, though, he just might get the chance to help a little more.

TheSauceMaster
10-15-2004, 11:25 AM
Decent article untuil the very last sentence. it says that Cro is just as effective no matter how much he plays. Wrong. he keeps a good attitude, and he stays in shape, but he needs a little time and consisitant time to get into the groove.

I agree with that , he needs consistant mins to be able to maintain a consistant shot , If he doesn't get those consistant mins he will still be the same and that's kinda sad cause I really like Austin.

Bball
10-15-2004, 11:35 PM
Even if Bender comes along and Pollard does better this year

:laugh:

Bball ;)