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Justin Tyme
06-13-2011, 12:52 PM
DraftExpress just put out their newest mock draft. It has the Pacers taking Alex Burks and Keith Benson.

Interesting draft movement of some players.

Kstat
06-13-2011, 12:56 PM
Enes Kanter?

Yes please.

ballism
06-13-2011, 01:00 PM
Fredette ahead of Kanter? Wow, that's some movement.

Speed
06-13-2011, 01:04 PM
read that Jimmer killed the Sac workout, last week.

mattie
06-13-2011, 01:05 PM
Uh, I hate that. Only two guys I like are Jimmer and Bismack.

Speed
06-13-2011, 01:06 PM
Enes Kanter?

Yes please.

I show Vesley to Detroit...

Speed
06-13-2011, 01:08 PM
Alex Burks is supposed to be Brandon Roy like, that sounds good to me.

Kstat
06-13-2011, 01:09 PM
I show Vesley to Detroit...

They changed it again like 3 minutes ago.

I really like Vesely too. He'd be awesome to pair with Jerebko.

Justin Tyme
06-13-2011, 01:16 PM
Can someone post the mock so all can see it? Thanks

I'd love to have the Celtics #25 pick.

If Philly is going to take Morris as a Big, then I'd be burning up the phone talking to them about Speights for Rush and our 2nd rd pick. They are drafting a Big, they get a better 2nd rd pick, and Speights doesn't seem to be in their future plans.

The Pacers then would have 3yr Big who can play the 4/5. He's far better than anything the Pacers can get at #42 as a Big. It clears more PT for Burks with Rush gone.

pwee31
06-13-2011, 01:18 PM
Ha yeah they had to change it, b/c I read this thread, and then looked at some of the picks like huh? Kanter wasn't to the Piston, nor was Jimmer ahead of him, and Benson wasn't the Pacers 2nd round choice.

I would also like to point out that I think A.J Price was the only non Euro recently that the Pacers have drafted without having in for a workout with the team.

Keep that in mind when you see mock drafts that have the Pacers selecting a player they haven't worked out yet. Even when Bayless dropped to the Pacers, they traded him for Rush who they had in for a workout.

pwee31
06-13-2011, 01:21 PM
http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2011/


This Mock was last updated on Mon Jun 13th at 01:00:14 PM

First Round
1 Cavaliers
From
Clippers Kyrie Irving PG
19 years old; 6'3"; 190 lbs.
Duke, Freshman

2 Timberwolves Derrick Williams PF
20 years old; 6'9"; 250 lbs.
Arizona, Sophomore

3 Jazz
From
Nets Brandon Knight PG
19 years old; 6'3"; 180 lbs.
Kentucky, Freshman

4 Cavaliers Jonas Valanciunas C
19 years old; 6'11"; 240 lbs.
Lietuvos Rytas, International

5 Raptors Kemba Walker PG
21 years old; 6'1"; 185 lbs.
Connecticut, Junior

6 Wizards Enes Kanter C
19 years old; 6'11"; 260 lbs.
Kentucky, International

7 Kings Jimmer Fredette PG
22 years old; 6'2"; 195 lbs.
BYU, Senior

8 Pistons Jan Vesely SF
21 years old; 6'11"; 240 lbs.
KK Partizan Belgrade, International

9 Bobcats Kawhi Leonard SF
19 years old; 6'7"; 225 lbs.
San Diego State, Sophomore

10 Bucks Marcus Morris PF
21 years old; 6'9"; 230 lbs.
Kansas, Junior

11 Warriors Bismack Biyombo PF/C
18 years old; 6'9"; 240 lbs.
Baloncesto Fuenlabrada, International

12 Jazz Chris Singleton SF
21 years old; 6'9"; 230 lbs.
Florida State, Junior

13 Suns Tristan Thompson PF
20 years old; 6'9"; 230 lbs.
Texas, Freshman

14 Rockets Klay Thompson SG/SF
21 years old; 6'7"; 205 lbs.
Washington State, Junior

15 Pacers Alec Burks SG
19 years old; 6'6"; 195 lbs.
Colorado, Sophomore

16 76ers Markieff Morris PF
21 years old; 6'10"; 240 lbs.
Kansas, Junior

17 Knicks Jordan Hamilton SF
20 years old; 6'8"; 230 lbs.
Texas, Sophomore

18 Wizards
From
Hawks Donatas Motiejunas PF/C
20 years old; 7'0"; 215 lbs.
Benetton Treviso, International

19 Bobcats
From
Hornets Tobias Harris SF/PF
18 years old; 6'8"; 225 lbs.
Tennessee, Freshman

20 Timberwolves
From
Grizzlies Kenneth Faried PF
21 years old; 6'8"; 225 lbs.
Morehead State, Senior

21 Trailblazers Nikola Vucevic PF/C
20 years old; 7'0"; 260 lbs.
USC, Junior

22 Nuggets Iman Shumpert PG/SG
20 years old; 6'6"; 220 lbs.
Georgia Tech, Junior

23 Rockets
From
Magic Tyler Honeycutt SF
20 years old; 6'8"; 190 lbs.
UCLA, Sophomore

24 Thunder Kyle Singler SF/PF
23 years old; 6'9"; 225 lbs.
Duke, Senior

25 Celtics Marshon Brooks SG
22 years old; 6'5"; 195 lbs.
Providence, Senior

26 Mavericks Josh Selby SG
20 years old; 6'3"; 195 lbs.
Kansas, Freshman

27 Nets
From
Lakers Charles Jenkins PG/SG
22 years old; 6'3"; 220 lbs.
Hofstra, Senior

28 Bulls
From
Heat Justin Harper PF
21 years old; 6'9"; 230 lbs.
Richmond, Senior

29 Spurs Nikola Mirotic PF
20 years old; 6'10"; 210 lbs.
Real Madrid, International

30 Bulls Travis Leslie SF
21 years old; 6'4"; 205 lbs.
Georgia, Junior

Second Round
1 Heat
From
Timberwolves Reggie Jackson PG
21 years old; 6'3"; 208 lbs.
Boston College, Junior

2 Cavaliers Jimmy Butler SF/PF
21 years old; 6'8"; 220 lbs.
Marquette, Senior

3 Pistons
From
Raptors Chandler Parsons SF
22 years old; 6'10"; 220 lbs.
Florida, Senior

4 Wizards Darius Morris PG
20 years old; 6'5"; 190 lbs.
Michigan, Sophomore

5 Kings Nolan Smith PG/SG
22 years old; 6'4"; 190 lbs.
Duke, Senior

6 Nets Jeremy Tyler C
20 years old; 6'11"; 260 lbs.
Tokyo Apache, International

7 Clippers
From
Pistons Malcolm Lee SG
21 years old; 6'5"; 200 lbs.
UCLA, Junior

8 Rockets
From
Clippers JaJuan Johnson PF/C
22 years old; 6'10"; 220 lbs.
Purdue, Senior

9 Bobcats Norris Cole PG
22 years old; 6'2"; 175 lbs.
Cleveland St., Senior

10 Bucks Shelvin Mack PG
21 years old; 6'2"; 210 lbs.
Butler, Junior

11 Lakers
From
Warriors Trey Thompkins PF
21 years old; 6'10"; 240 lbs.
Georgia, Junior

12 Pacers Bojan Bogdanovic SG/SF
22 years old; 6'7"; 216 lbs.
Cibona VIP Zagreb, International

13 Bulls
From
Jazz Keith Benson PF/C
22 years old; 6'11"; 220 lbs.
Oakland, Senior

14 Warriors
From
Suns Diante Garrett PG
22 years old; 6'4"; 190 lbs.
Iowa State, Senior

15 Hornets
From
76ers Jordan Williams C
20 years old; 6'9"; 250 lbs.
Maryland, Sophomore

16 Lakers
From
Knicks Jon Leuer PF
22 years old; 6'11"; 225 lbs.
Wisconsin, Senior

17 Clippers
From
Rockets E'Twaun Moore SG
22 years old; 6'4"; 191 lbs.
Purdue, Senior

18 Hawks Ben Hansbrough PG/SG
23 years old; 6'3"; 203 lbs.
Notre Dame, Senior

19 Grizzlies David Lighty SG/SF
23 years old; 6'6"; 215 lbs.
Ohio State, Senior

20 76ers
From
Hornets Demetri McCamey PG
22 years old; 6'3"; 205 lbs.
Illinois, Senior

21 Trailblazers Isaiah Thomas PG
22 years old; 5'10"; 190 lbs.
Washington, Junior

22 Pistons
From
Nuggets Andrew Goudelock PG
22 years old; 6'3"; 200 lbs.
Coll Of Charltn, Senior

23 Magic Justin Holiday SG/SF
22 years old; 6'6"; 185 lbs.
Washington, Senior

24 Cavaliers
From
Thunder Scotty Hopson SG/SF
21 years old; 6'7"; 205 lbs.
Tennessee, Junior

25 Celtics Malcolm Thomas SF/PF
22 years old; 6'9"; 225 lbs.
San Diego State, Senior

26 Lakers Jereme Richmond SF
19 years old; 6'7"; 210 lbs.
Illinois, Freshman

27 Mavericks Michael Dunigan C
21 years old; 6'10"; 240 lbs.
BC Kalev/Cramo Tallinn, International

28 Lakers
From
Heat Greg Smith C
20 years old; 6'9"; 250 lbs.
Fresno State, Sophomore

29 Spurs Cory Joseph PG/SG
19 years old; 6'3"; 185 lbs.
Texas, Freshman

30 Kings
From
Bulls Adam Hanga SG/SF
22 years old; 6'7"; 200 lbs.
Albacomp (Hungary), International

Speed
06-13-2011, 01:35 PM
I keep wondering if Biyombo is going to take a Hassan Whiteside drop in this years draft. Is he a rotation guy next year or the year after, even. I'd have to see alot more before spending a lottery pick on him, even in a weak draft. I'd at least want a guy in the lotto who you know will be a rotation guy, right?

Sparhawk
06-13-2011, 01:41 PM
Reggie Jackson and Darius Morris at the beginning of the 2nd. I'm sure the Pacers could buy a late first/early second if both of those guys are still available. I'd feel much more comfortable going into next season with a backup point with some size (especially Jackson's defensive potential).

Not a huge fan of Burcs, but seems like pretty good value at 15. If he's there and we weren't targeting him, I'm sure we could trade down.

Sparhawk
06-13-2011, 01:43 PM
I keep wondering if Biyombo is going to take a Hassan Whiteside drop in this years draft. Is he a rotation guy next year or the year after, even. I'd have to see alot more before spending a lottery pick on him, even in a weak draft. I'd at least want a guy in the lotto who you know will be a rotation guy, right?

I'm in the same boat. However, next year's draft is loaded, so maybe a lottery team takes a chance on Biyombo, and possibly end up higher in the draft next year. I'm sure some teams with little pride would go that route.

bphil
06-13-2011, 01:45 PM
I am baffled by the interest in Biyombo. That workout vid that was posted recently demonstrated that he has horrible hands and can't shoot outside of 0 feet even with no one in his face. I personally would be floored if anyone took him in the first round...

pwee31
06-13-2011, 02:03 PM
I am baffled by the interest in Biyombo. That workout vid that was posted recently demonstrated that he has horrible hands and can't shoot outside of 0 feet even with no one in his face. I personally would be floored if anyone took him in the first round...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUxKzucNsTo


<iframe width="853" height="510" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/lUxKzucNsTo" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

bphil
06-13-2011, 02:22 PM
In that video I saw a 22-24 year old man roughing up a bunch of high-schoolers and shooting lay-ups like Shaq shoots free throws.

Isaac
06-13-2011, 02:40 PM
Alec Burks at 15 would be fantastic.

Really?
06-13-2011, 02:59 PM
Alec Burks or Marshon Brooks...?

I will also say that I have a hard time believing that brooks will fall to the celtics..

Robertmto
06-13-2011, 04:10 PM
In that video I saw a 22-24 year old man roughing up a bunch of high-schoolers and shooting lay-ups like Shaq shoots free throws.
NO, in that video u see a 18-23 yr old KID roughing up 2 of the best 3 players in COLLEGE next year

pacer4ever
06-13-2011, 04:14 PM
NO, in that video u see a 18-23 yr old KID roughing up 2 of the best 3 players in COLLEGE next year

Most of those players would be in the NBA right now if there wasn't a one and done rule. Some would go in the top 10 in this draft if they were eligible also.

Robertmto
06-13-2011, 04:16 PM
Rivers and Teague would go 1 & 2 undoubtedly

MyFavMartin
06-13-2011, 04:22 PM
Kemba's canceled on workouts with Jimmer with Sactown and Phoenix. It will be interesting to see if he shows up for the showdown scheduled with Utah.

pacer4ever
06-13-2011, 04:29 PM
Rivers and Teague would go 1 & 2 undoubtedly
there is proably 5 guys on that team who would go top ten Beal,James McAdoo, Quincy Miller

Anthony Davis would go #1 IMO.

Heisenberg
06-13-2011, 05:41 PM
there is proably 5 guys on that team who would go top ten Beal,James McAdoo, Quincy Miller

Anthony Davis would go #1 IMO.
It's nice and all to not start the "man...if we can get #1" line of thinking before the season even starts anymore, but man...if we could get Anthony Davis...:laugh:

CooperManning
06-13-2011, 05:58 PM
Rivers and Teague would go 1 & 2 undoubtedly

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2012/

ECKrueger
06-13-2011, 06:03 PM
Looks like we're getting Middleton next year.

DGPR
06-13-2011, 06:07 PM
Out of Alec Burks and Marshon Brooks I think I'd rather have Brooks but I'm not sure why. Burks looks similar to JR Smith minus the athleticism and attitude, but Brooks looks like more of a dynamic scorer to me.

pacer4ever
06-13-2011, 06:10 PM
Out of Alec Burks and Marshon Brooks I think I'd rather have Brooks but I'm not sure why. Burks looks similar to JR Smith minus the athleticism and attitude, but Brooks looks like more of a dynamic scorer to me.

you mean Brooks is similar to JR Smith / Nick Young? Cause that i can see

Burks is a play maker he plays very different from JR Smith. He is more the Brandon Roy mold or James Harden where he is the play maker at the SG.

Heisenberg
06-13-2011, 06:53 PM
FYI, the big Brazilian kid Lucas Nogueira pulled out of the draft says Chad Ford

CooperManning
06-13-2011, 06:58 PM
FYI, the big Brazilian kid Lucas Nogueira pulled out of the draft says Chad Ford

Can't believe it took him this long.

Sparhawk
06-13-2011, 07:01 PM
FYI, the big Brazilian kid Lucas Nogueira pulled out of the draft says Chad Ford

Don't see him going higher next year. Guess he'll check back in in 2 years.

Sparhawk
06-13-2011, 07:02 PM
Looks like we're getting Middleton next year.

If we pick 15th, then Bird will still have a shot at Zeller. :laugh:

IndyPacer
06-13-2011, 07:09 PM
I'd be pleased if this is how things shake out. I like the bolded players for our team, especially Burks. However, I do NOT think Burks will be available. I'd certainly grab him if he was there.

15 Pacers Alec Burks SG
19 years old; 6'6"; 195 lbs.
Colorado, Sophomore

16 76ers Markieff Morris PF
21 years old; 6'10"; 240 lbs.
Kansas, Junior

17 Knicks Jordan Hamilton SF
20 years old; 6'8"; 230 lbs.
Texas, Sophomore

18 Wizards
From
Hawks Donatas Motiejunas PF/C
20 years old; 7'0"; 215 lbs.
Benetton Treviso, International

19 Bobcats
From
Hornets Tobias Harris SF/PF
18 years old; 6'8"; 225 lbs.
Tennessee, Freshman

20 Timberwolves
From
Grizzlies Kenneth Faried PF
21 years old; 6'8"; 225 lbs.
Morehead State, Senior

Heisenberg
06-13-2011, 07:13 PM
DX goes strictly off of their own insights and rankings, whereas Ford factors in feedback from teams much more, yes?

pacer4ever
06-13-2011, 07:18 PM
DX goes strictly off of their own insights and rankings, whereas Ford factors in feedback from teams much more, yes?

the guy from draft express has sources and connections with NBA teams. He also goes to a lot of the workouts. His top 100 prospect is his own rankings his mock goes off where he feels they will go.

http://www.draftexpress.com/rankings/Top-100-Prospects/


http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2011/

big differences

Heisenberg
06-13-2011, 07:20 PM
the guy from draft express has sources and connections with NBA teams. He also goes to a lot of the workouts. His top 100 prospect is his own rankings his mock goes off where he feels they will go.
I know, but I'm talking about how they assemble their mocks. Ford's usually really accurate as the draft closes in because he has great sources and just mocks up what he hears for the most part. Givony does a ton of personal scouting, dude's in Europe right now, so I'm wondering if his mocks are more personal opinion than feedback from teams.

pacer4ever
06-13-2011, 07:24 PM
I know, but I'm talking about how they assemble their mocks. Ford's usually really accurate as the draft closes in because he has great sources and just mocks up what he hears for the most part. Givony does a ton of personal scouting, dude's in Europe right now, so I'm wondering if his mocks are more personal opinion than feedback from teams.

here is a chat where he talks about this subject

http://www.hoopsworld.com/chat.asp?status=&CHAT_TOPICS_ID=1651


I've recently read that the Cavs have Valanciunas (or like we in cleveland call him Big V) higher on their board than Kanter. Have you gotten the same vibe?


Jonathan Givony:
Yes. Directly from Kanter's camp in fact.

the guy has good sources but not like ford

Justin Tyme
06-13-2011, 07:59 PM
FYI, the big Brazilian kid Lucas Nogueira pulled out of the draft says Chad Ford



Today was the deadline for foreign players to opt out of the draft. I expected to see Nogueira opt out.

Rogco
06-13-2011, 08:14 PM
Looking at this mock makes me really want an earlier 2nd round pick. The following all go before the Pacers pick in the 2nd round in this mock, and I'd be excited about any of them:

1. Reggie Jackson
4. Darius Morris
5. Nolan Smith
6. Jeremy Tyler
8. JaJuan Johnson
9. Norris Cole
10. Shelvin Mack

Hell, I'm beginning to think maybe we can trade down in the draft for two picks. Maybe the 15th to Washington for 18 and 34?

Sparhawk
06-13-2011, 08:58 PM
the guy from draft express has sources and connections with NBA teams. He also goes to a lot of the workouts. His top 100 prospect is his own rankings his mock goes off where he feels they will go.

http://www.draftexpress.com/rankings/Top-100-Prospects/


http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2011/

big differences

Wow, Marshon Brooks is ranked 57 on his list.

Robertmto
06-13-2011, 09:49 PM
http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2012/

i was talking about in THIS draft, also nbbadraft.net has been more accurate at oredicting picks so http://www.nbadraft.net/2012mock_draft :)

pacer4ever
06-13-2011, 09:59 PM
i was talking about in THIS draft, also nbbadraft.net has been more accurate at oredicting picks so http://www.nbadraft.net/2012mock_draft :)

nbadraft.net is a joke IMO

look at the mock they have up now I always take that site with a grain of salt.

Robertmto
06-13-2011, 10:05 PM
look at their lottery results from the last few yrs, pretty good

Really?
06-13-2011, 10:46 PM
Out of Alec Burks and Marshon Brooks I think I'd rather have Brooks but I'm not sure why. Burks looks similar to JR Smith minus the athleticism and attitude, but Brooks looks like more of a dynamic scorer to me.


you mean Brooks is similar to JR Smith / Nick Young? Cause that i can see

Burks is a play maker he plays very different from JR Smith. He is more the Brandon Roy mold or James Harden where he is the play maker at the SG.

I see the Burks mix somewhere between Roy and JR, cant compare him to Harden though... especially when talking about play making ability as a shooter. I have no idea who I would choose actually, first I was Brooks, then I was Burks because of defensive ability, I guess it depends on if you want Offense or defense... I think both will make plays on offense but in different ways, but Brooks offensive game is super nice. It is hard to choose, but I would really be happy with either actually...

rel
06-13-2011, 10:56 PM
Looks like we're getting Middleton next year.

http://www.polyvore.com/cgi/img-thing?.out=jpg&size=l&tid=31489685

OakMoses
06-13-2011, 11:10 PM
If you get a chance it's really worthwhile to read the mock drafts Givony has been doing for Yahoo this year. He explains his reasoning for each pick. They're at least as insightful as Ford's mocks.

FWIW, I think Givony has better agent & international sources, while Ford has better NBA sources. Givony is a much better talent evaluator. Ford is more of a consensus compiler.

pacer4ever
06-13-2011, 11:22 PM
If you get a chance it's really worthwhile to read the mock drafts Givony has been doing for Yahoo this year. He explains his reasoning for each pick. They're at least as insightful as Ford's mocks.

FWIW, I think Givony has better agent & international sources, while Ford has better NBA sources. Givony is a much better talent evaluator. Ford is more of a consensus compiler.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ycn-8493201
thanks i didn't know he did these for yahoo

ECKrueger
06-13-2011, 11:41 PM
Looking at this mock makes me really want an earlier 2nd round pick. The following all go before the Pacers pick in the 2nd round in this mock, and I'd be excited about any of them:

1. Reggie Jackson
4. Darius Morris
5. Nolan Smith
6. Jeremy Tyler
8. JaJuan Johnson
9. Norris Cole
10. Shelvin Mack

Hell, I'm beginning to think maybe we can trade down in the draft for two picks. Maybe the 15th to Washington for 18 and 34?

I like that list a lot, and I would love to have 18/34 if we could get those.

I really want one of:
Morris or Jackson,
Burks or Brooks,
and Johnson, Tyler, or Faried.

I think that would give us some young talent at our weakest positions, and you have to think at least one of them would turn out to be a good player.


http://www.polyvore.com/cgi/img-thing?.out=jpg&size=l&tid=31489685

Nice pic, and I'm glad someone did :D

Heisenberg
06-13-2011, 11:55 PM
Montijunias (however you spell it) has been working out for scouts in Europe. Yesterday he played like crap, awful showing. Apparently he had a "heavy weightlifting session" just before his workout and looked a lot better today.

Take that excuse for what you will.

imawhat
06-14-2011, 12:53 AM
nbadraft has a new mock, and now both of them have us taking Burcs.

Utah is in need of a SG and has picks 3 and 12. Maybe Rush and 15 for 12? I highly doubt it, but Rush, 15 and next year's 1st for #3?

pacer4ever
06-14-2011, 01:23 AM
Montijunias (however you spell it) has been working out for scouts in Europe. Yesterday he played like crap, awful showing. Apparently he had a "heavy weightlifting session" just before his workout and looked a lot better today.

Take that excuse for what you will.

The kid can shoot one bad session doesn't change the fact he can shoot. Like one scout said there is tons of game footage that says he can shoot. What do you put more stock into one session? or 3 yrs of footage?

I mean Danny Granger did have a 2-20(that's not exact just off the top of my head) type shooting performance in Minnesota this year he started something like 0-15.

eldubious
06-14-2011, 01:28 AM
Burks puts me in the mindframe of John Salmons, a good fit for the Pacers. I would also look at Donatas Motiejunas, the NBA is a copycat leauge and he could benefit from being compared to Dirk.

Heisenberg
06-14-2011, 02:15 AM
The kid can shoot one bad session doesn't change the fact he can shoot. Like one scout said there is tons of game footage that says he can shoot. What do you put more stock into one session? or 3 yrs of footage?

I mean Danny Granger did have a 2-20(that's not exact just off the top of my head) type shooting performance in Minnesota this year he started something like 0-15.
Oh I agree, other than interviews (which are EXTREMELY important), I don't understand why a scout/exec would waste his time watching these one on none workouts.

The thing that's strange about Donatas to me is him being a top 10 type guy, sometimes way higher, in the last few years of mocks, tons of hype, and now in this weak draft he's borderline lotto. I know the case is often that the more exposure a guy gets the weaker his stock gets, more time to pick out flaws and all, but it's a peculiar circumstance. Wouldn't call it a red flag, just weird. I mean if he's been all that in recent years you'd think in this class he's guaranteed top 5 or so.

imawhat
06-14-2011, 02:25 AM
2010 Nike Hoops Summit is on FCSA right now. Kanter is playing, as is Irving, Knight, Tristan Thompson, Corey Joseph and others.

ballism
06-14-2011, 02:27 AM
Oh I agree, other than interviews (which are EXTREMELY important), I don't understand why a scout/exec would waste his time watching these one on none workouts.

The thing that's strange about Donatas to me is him being a top 10 type guy, sometimes way higher, in the last few years of mocks, tons of hype, and now in this weak draft he's borderline lotto. I know the case is often that the more exposure a guy gets the weaker his stock gets, more time to pick out flaws and all, but it's a peculiar circumstance. Wouldn't call it a red flag, just weird. I mean if he's been all that in recent years you'd think in this class he's guaranteed top 5 or so.

Body language, laziness, lack of effort / improvement on D. There's plenty of red flags.
He's no Dirk, that's for sure.
Even his greatest area of strength - shooting - isn't all that perfect. 70% free throws? 60% for some long stretches? Is it lack of focus or what?

He's an intriguing talent. Could be worth the risk where we are drafting.
But I'd hate to be the GM who drafts him in top 5, even in this draft. It would most likely be an extremely frustrating experience to try to make a core player out of him.

Heisenberg
06-14-2011, 02:30 AM
Body language, laziness, lack of effort / improvement on D. There's plenty of red flags.
He's no Dirk, that's for sure.
Even his greatest area of strength - shooting - isn't all that perfect. 70% free throws? 60% for some long stretches? Is it lack of focus or what?

He's an intriguing talent. Could be worth the risk where we are drafting.
But I'd hate to be the GM who drafts him in top 5, even in this draft. It would most likely be an extremely frustrating experience to try to make a core player out of him.
So in recent years do you think he's just been overrated as a prospect? Or is it more just that as he's gotten older he's sort of become the player he's going to be and what used to be just bad habits that could be potentially coached up are now ingrained?

Sorta reminiscent of Tiago Splitter. Year after year he was the next great import, flirtations with entering the draft and all, then the Spurs FINALLY got him stateside and...well, unimpressive.

imawhat
06-14-2011, 02:35 AM
Just my preference, but I flat out wouldn't draft DM, not even in the 2nd round. He reminds me too much of Troy Murphy/Andrea Bargnani. His Nike Hoop Summit game was just on and he had good stats, but little impact.

Heisenberg
06-14-2011, 02:37 AM
Just my preference, but I flat out wouldn't draft DM, not even in the 2nd round. He reminds me too much of Troy Murphy/Andrea Bargnani. His Nike Hoop Summit game was just on and he had good stats, but little impact.
Sure, but at 15 isn't a Trey Murph/Bargs clone (w/o the crippling contracts) a pretty solid value?

imawhat
06-14-2011, 02:41 AM
In my opinion, a guy that only impacts a game positively when he's having a good shooting night is not worth a first round pick; especially when that player is playing at a position that prevents a low post player from playing.

Heisenberg
06-14-2011, 02:54 AM
In my opinion, a guy that only impacts a game positively when he's having a good shooting night is not worth a first round pick; especially when that player is playing at a position that prevents a low post player from playing.
I don't necessarily disagree, specifically with the latter portion of the statement, but to be fair there's a TON of guys in the league who don't contribute much when they don't have their stroke going. I just think it's more about managing expectations, if Bargs was a 15th overall pick on a contract around something like say, $6 mil per, that's a solid piece that provides mismatch potential. But obviously he was a #1 and gets paid $12 a year or whatever.

Say DM provides Ryan Anderson type production, which I don't think is a stretch, you don't welcome that?

ballism
06-14-2011, 02:58 AM
So in recent years do you think he's just been overrated as a prospect? Or is it more just that as he's gotten older he's sort of become the player he's going to be and what used to be just bad habits that could be potentially coached up are now ingrained?

Sorta reminiscent of Tiago Splitter. Year after year he was the next great import, flirtations with entering the draft and all, then the Spurs FINALLY got him stateside and...well, unimpressive.

I think he's a major talent. I don't think he was overrated as a talent. If there were no questions about character, I'm sure he'd still be a top grade prospect.
He's got a bit of Rasheed / Andray Blatche in him. To me, he clearly can improve a lot. And maybe he just gives low effort / lacks focus due to competition level in Italian league. It's a high level, but he clearly succeeds there without ever giving 100%.
I wish Phillie drafted him. Doug Collins might make him work hard. If not, then I don't know who could in that 10-20 range.

Kamiyohk
06-14-2011, 03:19 AM
It's very simple draft..

15 Pick - Jimmy still available, takes Jimmy.
- PG : Darius Morris > Reggie Jackson > Josh Selby
- SG/SF : Marcus Morris > Alec Burks > Jordan Hamilton > Klay Thompson > Tobias Harris/ Chris Singleton>Tyler Honeycutt

The others? pls say no...

DeS
06-14-2011, 03:23 AM
Motiejunas is indeed a nice talent. He was taken from kids basketball and thrown into grown men's world and i think because of that his performances degraded (just like the case with Rubio). Still, during 2 years he become one of the main offensive weapons in a serious team. You can't become one if you can't shoot. In short - he is a legit one talent.
The other question - is he able to be a primary offensive player. In that regard he is very similar with Andrea Bargniani. Just like him he can create miracles and lead his team to a victory by himself one night and be absolutely helpless and frustrated playing other game. Another prospect, Jonas Valanciunas, is much more stable player in that regard.

Kid Minneapolis
06-14-2011, 11:05 AM
My thoughts on guys that we've been associated with:

Jimmer - Love the kid, not sure he'd be a starter for us, but would be great insta-offense option off the bench and in 4th quarter. Will sell tickets, which is what this organization needs.
Burks - This kid looks great to me, but he's clearly a SG to me, so that leaves the question of what do we do with our line-up with George and Granger? Not saying don't do it, just saying it introduces questions.
Marshon Brooks - Intriguing talent, same as two guys above, what do we do with line-up. I'd take even one half of Kobe.
Klay Thompson - Eh. Not bad, just don't know what need he fills for us... not a good fit, imo.
Hamilton - Not a bad looking wing, but same question as above, what does our line-up do.
Morris brothers - Just not a fan, I don't really know why. I hope we don't draft either one.
Jeremy Tyler - this guy intrigues me from a physical standpoint and also from a mental standpoint, he was surprisingly articulate and intelligent for a guy who didn't even finish high school. I actually like the idea of him getting thrown into the pro-fire and getting a dose of reality across the pond. I think my only question regarding him is, is his head on straight? Is he something special or is he the next David Harrison?
- Any PG --- I don't know what it is, but there's few PGs in this draft that get me going.
- Any PF/C that I've seen just has question marks, I don't even know if I consider them an upgrade over Hansbrough and Hibbert... they all seem to be projects. Biyombo is intriguing from a purely defensive standpoint, as a guy to come in and lock down our paint, but he's raaaawwww..... the euro bigs just seem to be soft to me and wanna stand out by the 3-point line. No thanks. Kanter and Williams are the only bigger forwards I have interest in, but also question marks, and I don't think they will be available to us unless we make a splash.

So I guess that leaves Jimmer, Brooks, Burks, Hamilton, Bismack, and Tyler as my list of hopefuls, if we keep the pick.

imawhat
06-14-2011, 11:11 AM
Say DM provides Ryan Anderson type production, which I don't think is a stretch, you don't welcome that?

I would not, even as an undrafted, vet-minimum salary player. That's my preference, probably from years of watching Troy Murphy play. I've had my fill.

pacer4ever
06-14-2011, 04:04 PM
In my opinion, a guy that only impacts a game positively when he's having a good shooting night is not worth a first round pick; especially when that player is playing at a position that prevents a low post player from playing.

That is unfair Dontas has a post game as well as a jump shot unlike Troy Murphy. He still needs to add weight to play in the post at the nba level but he can play in the post

Gamble1
06-14-2011, 04:21 PM
That is unfair Dontas has a post game as well as a jump shot unlike Troy Murphy. He still needs to add weight to play in the post at the nba level but he can play in the post
I agree with this and I would take DM if we could get another pick around 20 for BRush. I certainly would draft him in the second round but overall I get what iamwhat is saying. I have heard from coach Brad Stevens that one of his major points to his players is how are they affecting winning.

IMO DM has no clue how he can negatively affect his teams chances of winning with his poor defensive attitude. At 15 I would pass on DM because there are better talented players ahead of him. Give me Brooks over him or even Singleton who are really don't want over him. He's just not a winner if he has a poor attitude on the court.

Kegboy
06-15-2011, 02:10 PM
Looks like DE updated last night and they now have us taking Brooks over Burks.

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2011/

Kid Minneapolis
06-15-2011, 02:34 PM
Ya, I'd be okay with that.

PR07
06-15-2011, 02:42 PM
I'll throw up if we take Montiejunas.

CooperManning
06-15-2011, 02:44 PM
I'd rather have Brooks, but I'd hate to see the Knicks get Burks at 17. That's great value for them.

Kid Minneapolis
06-15-2011, 02:53 PM
You know what, the more I've been watching and reading, Brooks is my guy. He looks to be a fantastic shot creator and killer scorer. His athleticism is Kobe-like. His addition might create a logjam situation at the SG/SF positions, but cross that bridge when we get there.

I think Brooks has the chance to be the best player taken in this draft years down the road. He's last year's Paul George... might be even better offensively.

CooperManning
06-15-2011, 03:07 PM
His addition might create a logjam situation at the SG/SF positions, but cross that bridge when we get there.

Best case scenario I think is that Marshon completes our wing trio perfectly. PG's versatility could be huge here. Marshon pretty clearly seems to be a 2, Danny is a 3, and PG seems capable of switching from 2 to 3 seamlessly. There are 96 minutes at wing to go around so you could do something like 34 for Danny and Paul and 28 for Marshon. More if one of the other two is having an off-night.

Kid Minneapolis
06-15-2011, 03:10 PM
Ya, Marshon likely wouldn't be logging 35/night immediately, bring him slow and see where it goes.

Like I was saying, this team's greatest need, imo, is a creator, a go-to scorer when defenses clamp down... Brooks seems like the best way to fill that need from this draft. He's very offensive-minded.

I think he's my guy in this draft, but I wouldn't be mad if we took Fredette, Tyler, or Burks.

Frankly, if we take Burks or Fredette, we're in the same SG logjam as if we took Brooks... although Jimmer might be able to do some PG. Always something to consider.

ballism
06-15-2011, 03:22 PM
A "go-to scorer" for a playoff team better be an efficient, smart, composed veteran or a first class talent. I don't see Marshon as either, so I'm very sceptical. Let him be a go-to scorer, he probably ends up with a .350 shooting. And I don't see that much upside given age.
I understand the thinking, but he wouldn't be my first choice.

PR07
06-15-2011, 03:29 PM
I don't really know if we need Marshon to be a "go-to scorer", but it wouldn't hurt to have another guy that defenses have to be aware of late in games to create instead of just planning their whole attack on stopping Granger.

pacer4ever
06-15-2011, 03:30 PM
He said he updated it again this mourning around 4am.

Justin Tyme
06-15-2011, 04:40 PM
If the Pacers take Brooks, Burks, or Jimmer, where does that put Rush & Stephenson? I know where it put Rush... as a piece of Pacer history. Either Bird has has made up his mind Stephenson is a PG, or his love for Stephenson isn't as great as it has been let on to be.

Gamble1
06-15-2011, 04:45 PM
If the Pacers take Brooks, Burks, or Jimmer, where does that put Rush & Stephenson? I know where it put Rush... as a piece of Pacer history. Either Bird has has made up his mind Stephenson is a PG, or his love for Stephenson isn't as great as it has been let on to be.
I think Rush is gone even if we draft a center so not much is going to change his future IMO. Lance romance is another story. I think he is secure as long as he is doesn't screw up off the court. I looked at him playing pg last year as a way for him to get some playing time. I am not sure if Bird just sees as the pg of the future.

PR07
06-15-2011, 04:49 PM
If the Pacers take Brooks, Burks, or Jimmer, where does that put Rush & Stephenson? I know where it put Rush... as a piece of Pacer history. Either Bird has has made up his mind Stephenson is a PG, or his love for Stephenson isn't as great as it has been let on to be.

1) I'd be surprised if Rush is on the roster to open the season.

2) Stephenson's a wildcard. If I were the Pacers, I wouldn't depend on him for anything. If he gives you any production, well great...but going into the season, I'm not sure I go in with any expectation that he plays a key role, but that might just be me.

Pacersalltheway10
06-15-2011, 09:07 PM
Draft Express now has us taking Marshon Brooks and Trey Thompkins

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2011/

Alec burks is going #17 to the Knicks.

Justin Tyme
06-15-2011, 09:31 PM
W/o a doubt Rush is history. I'm just trying to get a feel why keep Stephenson if they take Brooks, Burkes, or Jimmer. I'm not all that sure Bird's excitement with Stephenson isn't an excuse to keep him to finish out his contract so as not to have to admit he made a bad choice and cut him.

I've seen mgmt make a wrong hire or promote the wrong person and live with it instead of admit their mistake and clean up their problem.

LA_Confidential
06-15-2011, 10:39 PM
I think Rush is gone even if we draft a center so not much is going to change his future IMO. Lance romance is another story. I think he is secure as long as he is doesn't screw up off the court. I looked at him playing pg last year as a way for him to get some playing time. I am not sure if Bird just sees as the pg of the future.

I like Rush but the problem with him is that he isn't consistently aggressive on the offensive end. I don't think Brooks has that problem. Dude is a scorer.

Also, I have no doubt that if Lance would have stayed @ Cinci and declared this year, he would be a lotto pick. Lance will stick as long as he stays out of trouble. Im rooting for the kid, especially as a PG. The kid's got talent.

OakMoses
06-16-2011, 07:29 AM
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AgajftDXs5ROW8Y9suWqg6K8vLYF?slug=ycn-8648301

by Jonathan Givony, Draft Express


NBA Mock Draft 3.0

By Jonathan Givony, DraftExpress.com, Yahoo! Contributor Network

1 Cleveland Cavaliers (From Los Angeles Clippers)
Kyrie Irving, PG
19 years old; 6'3"; 190 lbs
Duke, freshman

Kyrie Irving quietly visited the Cavaliers in Cleveland late last week. He underwent a thorough medical examination, an interview and a light one-on-zero workout. The Cavs are doing their due diligence, and continue to explore the possibility of picking Derrick Williams (who visited Cleveland on Tuesday and agreed to work out competitively against lower-profile collegiate prospects) at No. 1 in hopes that point guard Brandon Knight falls to No. 4. But that scenario remains unlikely.


Cleveland will try to bring Knight and Kemba Walker in at some point for a competitive workout, meaning that the Cavs are far from showing their hand.


2 Minnesota Timberwolves
Derrick Williams, PF
20 years old; 6'9"; 250 lbs
Arizona, sophomore

Williams has scheduled his only workout so far with the Timberwolves on Thursday, the same day that Enes Kanter will be in Minnesota. It does not appear that the two will be matching up head-to-head, which may be more of a blow for Kanter since Williams’ stock is higher. Williams has agreed to work out competitively for Minnesota, although not against Kanter.

We continue to hear rumbling of trade opportunities at this spot, although there is skepticism on the No. 2 pick’s value this year. There is talk that Minnesota has offered Washington a swap of the Nos. 2 and 6 picks in a package that includes JaVale McGee, but that appears unlikely unless the Timberwolves part with more assets.

Cleveland could get involved here since team owner Dan Gilbert is a huge fan of Williams, but it’s unclear whether the Cavs would make Anderson Varejao available, a perquisite for any trade involving this pick.


3 Utah Jazz (From New Jersey Nets)
Brandon Knight, PG
19 years old; 6'3"; 180 lbs
Kentucky, freshman

Utah continues to explore options at this pick, including drafting Brandon Knight, Enes Kanter, Jonas Valanciunas and Jan Vesely. Making a trade for a veteran point guard here – potentially involving Devin Harris and/or the No. 12 pick – also appears to be a possibility. These scenarios will factor heavily into who gets picked here.

Barring a trade, most NBA insiders expect Utah to pick a guard. In that scenario, Knight is viewed as the next best playmaker in the draft after Irving.

The Jazz will conduct their official draft party in their home arena in front of a packed house, including thousands of Jimmer Fredette fans. Selecting a guard here will take a lot of pressure off the front office from drafting the local hero from BYU at No. 12, which is another factor working in Knight’s favor.

4 Cleveland Cavaliers
Jonas Valanciunas, C
19 years old; 6'11"; 240 lbs
Lietuvos Rytas (Lithuania)

Valanciunas is currently training with the Lithuanian under-19 national team in its preparations for the World Championships in Riga, Latvia, which starts at the end of June. That didn’t stop Valanciunas from making an appearance at the adidas EuroCamp in Italy, where he told us he interviewed with seven separate NBA teams.

Most franchises picking in the top-10 feel that Valanciunas is the top player on Cleveland’s draft board at this pick.

Cleveland could make a deal, with teams like New York, Charlotte, Indiana and Houston being active in trying to move up in the draft, but it’s not clear if anything will get done by the time the Cavs are on the clock.

5 Toronto Raptors
Kemba Walker, PG
21 years old; 6'1"; 185 lbs
Connecticut, junior

If Brandon Knight, Toronto’s No. 1 option, is indeed off the board here, then general manager Bryan Colangelo will have an interesting decision to make. Walker is just one of the options he’ll consider, according to what he’s told us, along with Enes Kanter, Jan Vesely, Bismack Biyombo and Kawhi Leonard. But Walker appears to be the most ready to make an impact. Considering that he also fills the biggest need, he appears to be ahead of the pack.


Kanter
6 Washington Wizards
Enes Kanter C
19 years old; 6'11"; 260 lbs
Kentucky

The Wizards would be ecstatic if Kanter fell to them here. He would solve what they perceive to be their biggest need – rebounding and interior toughness. They don’t believe that will happen at the moment, though, which has led the Wizards to spend significant time evaluating two other favored candidates: Jan Vesely and Kawhi Leonard. If the Jazz draft a guard at No. 3 instead of trading for one, the Wizards could have all three players available here to choose from.

7 Sacramento Kings
Jimmer Fredette PG
22 years old; 6’2"; 195 lbs
BYU, senior

The Kings’ Geoff Petrie has shown that he’s not afraid to “reach” for the prospect he most covets, which is why it shouldn’t surprise anyone if Fredette ends up here. The BYU guard is arguably the most polished and NBA-ready player available. He is a perfect offensive complement to Tyreke Evans and he had an excellent workout in Sacramento that left the Kings’ brass smitten.

8 Detroit Pistons
Jan Vesely SF
21 years old; 6’11"; 240 lbs
KK Partizan Belgrade (Serbia)

While Vesely doesn’t fill a significant need on Detroit’s roster, the Pistons are determined to come away from this draft with the most talented prospect available. With his buyout situation resolved, Vesely will fly to New York soon to conduct an NBA-sanctioned physical.

9 Charlotte Bobcats
Kawhi Leonard SF
19 years old; 6’7"; 225 lbs
San Diego State, sophomore

While it seems strange for the most offensively-challenged teams in the NBA to pick a player known primarily for his defense and rebounding, Leonard fills a significant hole at small forward. Leonard had an excellent workout with the team on Sunday and fits the mentality coach Paul Silas likes from his players. Only 19 years old, he has a significant room for growth on a team that desperately needs this pick to pan out.


10 Milwaukee Bucks
Marcus Morris PF
21 years old; 6’9"; 230 lbs
Kansas, junior

Milwaukee ranked as the worst offensive team in the NBA last year, largely due to their inability to get good looks around the rim. Picking the most effective post-up threat in college basketball last season, Marcus Morris would go a long ways. Morris’ toughness, polish and experience would fit in very well on a Scott Skiles-coached team.

11 Golden State Warriors
Bismack Biyombo PF/C
18 years old; 6’9"; 240 lbs
Baloncesto Fuenlabrada (Spain)

The Warriors ranked as one of the worst teams in the NBA last season in rebounding and defensive efficiency. Enter Bismack Biyombo, who has the length, athleticism, intensity and smarts to develop into an all-NBA type of defender.

Biyombo didn’t have great workouts with the Warriors in Europe last week, but he measured out better than many NBA centers and comes with the bonus of being able to play with all of Golden State’s existing frontcourt pieces, particularly David Lee and Ekpe Udoh. The Warriors won’t need Biyombo to score very much, which should significantly ease his transition.

12 Utah Jazz
Chris Singleton SF
21 years old; 6’9"; 230 lbs
Florida State, junior

Singleton has been moving up draft boards lately thanks to some impressive workouts. He reportedly has huge fans in Utah’s front office. With Andrei Kirilenko entering free agency and unlikely to return, Singleton would fill a need immediately at small forward. He has the added benefit of being able to defend multiple positions, which will help Gordon Hayward get on the floor more easily.

13 Phoenix Suns
Tristan Thompson, PF
20 years old; 6'9"; 230 lbs
Texas, freshman

Phoenix needs an upgrade at power forward, where they play the likes of Hakim Warrick and Channing Frye. Thompson addresses the team’s poor defense and rebounding. He’s had some strong workouts and interviews, and could get picked higher than this, particularly if Cleveland (reportedly his biggest fans) decides to trade down or acquire another pick.

14 Houston Rockets
Klay Thompson SG/SF
21 years old; 6’7"; 205 lbs
Washington State, junior

Standing just under 6-foot-6 without shoes, Thompson is big enough to play the small forward position, and is considered by some to be the best player available at this point.

Houston is reportedly exploring trade options, possibly in hopes of moving up to select Lithuanian Jonas Valanciunas, who will fill a major hole in the middle.

15 Indiana Pacers
Marshon Brooks SG
22 years old; 6’5"; 195 lbs
Providence, senior

Brooks has been rocketing up draft boards thanks to strong measurements and excellent workouts. He reportedly impressed Larry Bird so much in his workout in Indiana that the Hall of Famer could not hide his satisfaction.

16 Philadelphia 76ers
Markieff Morris, PF
21 years old; 6'10"; 240 lbs
Kansas, junior

Morris would give the Sixers some added toughness and athleticism, which would surely please head coach Doug Collins.

17 New York Knicks
Alec Burks, SG
19 years old; 6’6"; 195 lbs
Colorado, sophomore

This would be an unexpected fall for Alec Burks, largely due to other guard and wing prospects such as Marshon Brooks, Jimmer Fredette and Chris Singleton making significant leaps up the board. Burks would love the attention that comes with playing under the bright lights of Madison Square Garden, even if he’s a questionable fit here.

The Knicks need talent and would have a very hard time passing on a lottery-type talent like Burks at 17.

18 Washington Wizards (From Atlanta Hawks)
Donatas Motiejunas PF/C
20 years old; 7’0"; 215 lbs
Benetton Treviso (Italy)

Motiejunas was projected as a top-10 pick not too long ago, but the emergence of other prospects, coupled with a growing concern regarding Motiejunas’ deficiencies as a defender, rebounder and all-around competitor, have dropped his stock. He didn’t do himself any favors by conducting a very poor workout in front of a huge amount of NBA executives at the adidas EuroCamp in Italy.

He later redeemed himself in a better showing in front of a much smaller crowd, including multiple front-office members of the Wizards.

This would probably be the lowest Motiejunas drops, and while not really filling much of a need, this could end up being a significant coup for the Wizards. The Lithuanian is a highly skilled and agile 7-footer with great potential as a mismatch scorer in the NBA. He is coming off a solid season playing at a high level in Europe.

19 Charlotte Bobcats (From New Orleans Hornets)
Jordan Hamilton SF
20 years old; 6’8"; 230 lbs
Texas, sophomore

This would be a disappointing drop for Hamilton, who is reportedly on the board for Charlotte at No. 9. Even though we have the Bobcats picking Kawhi Leonard with their initial selection, the two can play together and actually complement each other.

20 Minnesota Timberwolves (From Memphis Grizzlies)
Tobias Harris SF/PF
18 years old; 6’8"; 225 lbs
Tennessee, freshman

It’s difficult to see Minnesota adding another rookie, considering that they already have two slated to join their roster in Ricky Rubio and the No. 2 overall pick. This could be a prime location for a team to swoop in and take a talented player who is dropping down the board. At 18 years old, Tobias Harris isn’t ready to play big minutes for an NBA team right away, but has plenty of upside. Golden State, Indiana and other teams are reportedly among those looking the hardest at acquiring this pick.

21 Portland Trail Blazers
Kenneth Faried PF
21 years old; 6’8"; 225 lbs
Morehead State, senior

The Trail Blazers feel like they’ve added enough young prospects to their roster over the past two seasons and would like to find someone at this spot who doesn’t need his hand held and can contribute right away. At this point in the draft, they aren’t going to find a prospect better than Kenneth Faried.

The team has been looking for a tough and active power forward who can bring energy off the bench. Faried could be exactly what the doctor ordered.

22 Denver Nuggets
Iman Shumpert, PG/SG
20 years old; 6'6"; 220 lbs
Georgia Tech, junior

Shumpert has seen his stock take off in recent weeks after measuring out a legit 6-foot-6 and ranking as one of the best athletes in the draft. Talent has never been the issue with the former McDonald’s All-American.

Capable of defending three positions at the NBA level, Shumpert can give the Nuggets depth and versatility. He will fit into the up-tempo style George Karl likes to play.

23 Houston Rockets (From Orlando Magic)
Nikola Vucevic PF/C
20 years old; 7’0"; 260 lbs
USC, junior

The Rockets have undersized power forwards galore littering their roster, but the one thing they lack is a lengthy 7-footer with some girth. Enter Vucevic.

He’s not a traditional banger but he’s the best center available at this point. He comes with the added benefit of being able to space the floor for Kyle Lowry and Kevin Martin to attack the rim or for Luis Scola to operate with his back to the basket.

24 Oklahoma City Thunder
Kyle Singler, SF/PF
23 years old; 6'9"; 225 lbs
Duke, senior

Oklahoma City’s only real need at the moment is for a combo forward, in the Jeff Green mold. While this can surely be addressed in free agency, drafting a polished and highly experienced senior like Kyle Singler makes plenty of sense. He can space the floor at both the 3 and 4, will compete defensively and on the glass, and won’t need a great deal of schooling to make the transition to the pros.

25 Boston Celtics
Tyler Honeycutt SF
20 years old; 6’8"; 190 lbs
UCLA, sophomore

With a number of talented wing prospects on the board here, this would be a good opportunity for Boston to nab a player it thinks can help down the road when the Hall of Fame tandem of Paul Pierce and Ray Allen start winding down their careers. Honeycutt isn’t ready to see major playing time in the NBA, but has considerable upside and would be well served being around Boston’s Big Three to soak up as much as he can about the NBA, both on and off the court.

26 Dallas Mavericks
Davis Bertans, SF
18 years old; 6’10"; 210 lbs
Union Olimpija Ljubljana (Slovenia)

Fresh off winning an NBA championship, the Dallas Mavericks are in position to pick a player who may be a couple of years away from contributing. Small forward could become a position of need and having a talented prospect like Bertans developing overseas on a Euroleague team makes sense considering that roster spots are at a premium for the Mavs at the moment.

27 New Jersey Nets (From Los Angeles Lakers)
Charles Jenkins, PG/SG
22 years old; 6’3"; 220 lbs
Hofstra, senior

The Nets have targeted the guard position as an area they’d like to address and they’ll be intimately familiar with New York product Charles Jenkins. Jenkins has the added benefit of being able to see minutes alongside Deron Williams or serve as his backup. He is a good enough shooter to space the floor for Williams and Brook Lopez.

28 Chicago Bulls (From Miami Heat)
Justin Harper PF
21 years old; 6’9"; 230 lbs
Richmond, senior

While shooting guard may be the biggest need on this roster, the options here don’t appear attractive. Picking up a floor spacing power forward like Harper makes sense as none of Chicago’s big men are dangerous from the perimeter.

29 San Antonio Spurs
Nikola Mirotic PF
20 years old; 6’10"; 210 lbs
Real Madrid (Spain)

Mirotic surprisingly elected to keep his name in the draft after telling everyone for months that he would withdraw. Having recently signed a lucrative extension with Real Madrid until 2015, the Montenegrin native is years away from stepping foot on an NBA court. Nevertheless, he’s a lottery caliber talent who harbors NBA aspirations, which could make him a significant asset in 2-3 years.

The Spurs are the type of franchise that is willing and able to be patient with a prospect like Mirotic, and are also savvy, aggressive and knowledgeable enough with these international situations to know how to get a deal done.

30 Chicago Bulls
Travis Leslie SG/SF
21 years old; 6’4"; 205 lbs
Georgia, junior

The Bulls are telling interested teams that they’re unlikely to keep both of their first-rounders. That means that this pick could be in someone else’s hands on draft night. Shooting guard is the biggest position of need on this roster, and while Leslie doesn’t appear to be an ideal fit alongside Derrick Rose and behind Ronnie Brewer, his athleticism could intrigue the Bulls enough to take a chance on him.

In a wide open draft like this, there are plenty of players who could hear their name called at this stage. They include Reggie Jackson, Jimmy Butler, Josh Selby, Chandler Parsons, Darius Morris, Nolan Smith, Jeremy Tyler, Malcolm Lee, JaJuan Johnson, Norris Cole and Shelvin Mack.

OakMoses
06-16-2011, 07:31 AM
Another source saying we're trying to move up in the draft. First time I've heard us in the mix for #4 though.

FWIW, Givony did correctly predict Brandon Rush to the Pacers based on sources he had who said Rush had a great workout with us.

pwee31
06-16-2011, 07:56 AM
Who in the world would we be trying to trade up and get?

pacers74
06-16-2011, 08:12 AM
Who in the world would we be trying to trade up and get?

If Kanter is there he could fill a roll here as back up center and maybe he could play some PF. Leonard would be great, but he is SF and not really a SG. Biyombo is always a possibility, he would be our defensive rebounding PF, but with no offense to speak of right now.

OakMoses
06-16-2011, 08:22 AM
Who in the world would we be trying to trade up and get?

I was wondering the same thing.

Justin Tyme
06-16-2011, 10:30 AM
I was wondering the same thing.


A player they think will fall b4 #15, so they need to trade up to get him.

Chris Singleton
Brooks
Burks
Jimmer... oh please not!

Kid Minneapolis
06-16-2011, 10:40 AM
I could see us trading up into the bottom 10 if maybe Burks/Jimmer/Brooks was our target and we felt maybe someone would nab them before 15, but up to #4?? That's Irving/Williams/Knight/Kanter territory.