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We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

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There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

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In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

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What do you guys think of Iman Shumpert

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  • What do you guys think of Iman Shumpert

    When I think of our need at the backup wing- I think that Iman Shumpert might be the best fit for us long term, and here are some reasons why:

    +Great defender- his athleticism can carry him a long way and he has great tools- he would be a nightmare with George on the wings.

    +Can play both on and off the ball, can take backup point and wing minutes, can probably coexist with Lance taking backup PG minutes and him becoming 3rd pg and still see some time at the 2. In college he had to play both on and off the ball.

    +Great size- at 6'5 with shoes, he can play either guard position and has some point guard skills, and can probably be best in an uptempo unit with Collison/Shumpert/George.

    +Long term wise- he could probably be a sixth man for this team, and really give us a solid defensive team in crunch time.


    However- there are a few problems with him

    -Ball dominate- he likes to have the ball in his hands. If this is coachable, then Shumpert is a really good fit. If this isn't coachable, well, Shumpert might pout about not getting his touches.

    -Likes to settle for jumpers- he shoots pretty poorly, and sometimes chooses to settle for jumpers rather than play to his strengths- which is attacking the basket

    -As a combo guard, there is always a chance that he isn't good enough for either position and will bust out, although at the very least he is a known quantity defensively, and with his rebounding numbers, he can probably rebound at a rate to try to offset our hole at the 4.

    -Loss of athleticism- he seems to be a very athletic player- and if something happens and he loses some of that burst, he could end up being a wasted pick

    -Not from a winning team- He played at Georgia Tech, which didn't have a good season and hasn't been winning for the past few years.

    What do you guys think of Iman Shumpert?

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    Re: What do you guys think of Iman Shumpert

    You may notice that I nominated him on one of our polls. I agree with your points, both positive and negative, but the raw material is there in spades. He could contribute right away on the defensive end, at least for spot minutes, IMO. Should we draft a solid backup or take a chance on someone with great upside? My vote's been cast.


    "He’s no shrinking violet when it comes to that kind of stuff."

    - Rick Carlisle on how Kevin Pritchard responds to needed roster changes.

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      Re: What do you guys think of Iman Shumpert

      I think he's got an awesome name.
      This space for rent.

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        Re: What do you guys think of Iman Shumpert

        Javaris Crittendon or Kyle Lowry @ best.

        That is what I think of him, not sure if has the athletic set to be effective in the league it takes good foot work/lateral quickness & basketball IQ to be an effective G not just size and strength. NBA = highest level of basketball.

        He will be available @ 15. If the Pacers take him I'll be suprised. I would love to attend a work out of him vs Shelvin Mack so I could get a fair gauge on him!!!!

        A lot of wild card G this draft Selby, Shumpart,Jackson, & Morris

        It will be interesting to see how the above mention pan out. I would not be suprised if Shelvin Mack is more productive than all of them.

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          Re: What do you guys think of Iman Shumpert

          Originally posted by flox View Post

          -Not from a winning team- He played at Georgia Tech, which didn't have a good season and hasn't been winning for the past few years.

          What do you guys think of Iman Shumpert?

          Past few years? 010-011 season GA Tech had Favors and Lawal plus Iman, and they had a good season. I know you didn't write this review, but someone needs to do their homework b4 publishing this type of statement.


          Not in the least interested. Jackson and Morris are much better.

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            Re: What do you guys think of Iman Shumpert

            Originally posted by Lou Bega View Post
            Javaris Crittendon or Kyle Lowry @ best.

            That is what I think of him, not sure if has the athletic set to be effective in the league it takes good foot work/lateral quickness & basketball IQ to be an effective G not just size and strength. NBA = highest level of basketball.

            He will be available @ 15. If the Pacers take him I'll be suprised. I would love to attend a work out of him vs Shelvin Mack so I could get a fair gauge on him!!!!

            A lot of wild card G this draft Selby, Shumpart,Jackson, & Morris

            It will be interesting to see how the above mention pan out. I would not be suprised if Shelvin Mack is more productive than all of them.
            there's a bit difference between Crittenton and Lowry :/ I don't even know if Crittenton is in the league still and Lowry is a VERY good player.
            Peck is basically omniscient when it comes to understanding how the minds of Herb Simon and Kevin Pritchard work. I was a fool to ever question him and now feel deep shame for not understanding that this team believes in continuity above talent.

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              Re: What do you guys think of Iman Shumpert

              Originally posted by BornReady View Post
              there's a bit difference between Crittenton and Lowry :/ I don't even know if Crittenton is in the league still and Lowry is a VERY good player.
              that what he means most likely he will be like Crittenton. But if he pans out and reaches his full potential Lou thinks he will be as good as Lowry.
              Last edited by pacer4ever; 06-04-2011, 09:12 PM.

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                Re: What do you guys think of Iman Shumpert

                My 8th grade basketball team had Iman Shumpert and Evan Turner and we didn't even win our conference. (I know this isn't relevant to who Iman is now, but its an interesting tidbit you wouldn't learn anywhere else.)

                I can't imagine Iman being a successful NBA player. He thinks he's a better shooter than he is, people always go under on pick and rolls, he always pulls up and shoots, and almost always misses. He is good at forcing turnovers, but isn't worth the negative.
                Last edited by Isaac; 06-04-2011, 08:35 PM.

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                  Re: What do you guys think of Iman Shumpert

                  Originally posted by Anthem View Post
                  I think he's got an awesome name.
                  His dad is Odis. Odis Shumpert is an even cooler name. Great family.

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                    Re: What do you guys think of Iman Shumpert

                    Pass at 15. Maybe in the second round. If you are going to take a guard, take one who has a unique skill set like Morris or an elite defender like Reggie Jackson
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                      Re: What do you guys think of Iman Shumpert

                      Isaac,
                      Does Iman have a sense of entitlement? I don't want a player with a T Pryor (OSU) attitude on this team. Ecspecially Now, being so close to being a contender. If we get a guy to come in work hard and understand his role. The Pacers could be a top 4 ECF in two years easily!!!!

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                        Re: What do you guys think of Iman Shumpert

                        Originally posted by Lou Bega View Post
                        Isaac,
                        Does Iman have a sense of entitlement? I don't want a player with a T Pryor (OSU) attitude on this team. Ecspecially Now, being so close to being a contender. If we get a guy to come in work hard and understand his role. The Pacers could be a top 4 ECF in two years easily!!!!
                        Every NBA player has a sense of entitlement we already have 15 guys like that on the team. When you have been told your the greatest since a young age you get an ego.

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                          Re: What do you guys think of Iman Shumpert

                          Never underestimate the influence of visual aid:



                          I'd rather have Jackson.
                          witters: @imbtyler, @postgameonline

                          Originally posted by Day-V
                          In conclusion, Paul George is awesome.
                          Originally posted by Slick Pinkham
                          Our arena, their arena, Rucker park, it just doesn't matter. We're bigger, longer, younger, faster, and hungrier.


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                            Re: What do you guys think of Iman Shumpert

                            My question is is he a better offensive player than Rush and Jones? If not, and defensively he isn't on par with George we might as well just stay with Rush and Jones, and draft someone else.

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                              Re: What do you guys think of Iman Shumpert

                              Originally posted by Isaac View Post
                              My 8th grade basketball team had Iman Shumpert and Evan Turner and we didn't even win our conference. (I know this isn't relevant to who Iman is now, but its an interesting tidbit you wouldn't learn anywhere else.)
                              Great reference though!

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