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ensergio
05-05-2011, 01:46 PM
Can anyone who has access to insider post the article?

Thanks.

wseward
05-05-2011, 01:48 PM
All year we have kept tabs on the stock of the Top 100 prospects. The list is a reflection of the consensus of NBA scouts and GMs about a player's relative value in the draft.

A mock draft is a different animal all together. In a mock draft, we don't tell you where a player should go but rather what each team in the draft likely would do with its pick.

At this point, very little is set in stone. Expect this mock draft to fluctuate greatly over the course of the next eight weeks.

We still don't know which underclassmen will withdraw from the draft on the May 8 deadline. And we aren't even sure of the draft order yet. We won't know the results of the NBA draft lottery until May 17.

The process of team workouts has just started. Over the next few weeks, the Chicago NBA pre-draft combine, the adidas Eurocamp and hundreds of team workouts will dramatically alter the face of the draft.

Still, we have a pretty good feel for who's going to be in and we do know the lottery odds, so it's time for our first full mock draft of 2011. (If you want to check out what your team would do with the No. 1 pick, check out our Lottery Mock Draft Machine with more than 2,000 scenarios.)

But for now, here's our best stab at a full first-round mock draft, after taking into account team needs.



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Minnesota
(25 percent chance of winning lottery)


Kyrie Irving

Position: PG
Height: 6-foot-2
Weight: 180 pounds
Age: 19
School: Duke
Analysis: Stop with the David-Kahn-drafting-a-point-guard jokes and you'll realize ... sixth time is a charm. Yes, Kahn has drafted three point guards and signed another two via free agency in his short, two-year term. But to date, none of them has panned out.

Two of them -- Ramon Sessions and Ty Lawson -- were traded. Ricky Rubio is still hanging out in Spain with no definitive answer on when he's coming to the NBA. Jonny Flynn has been a major disappointment, and Luke Ridnour is not the future of the franchise.

Irving, on the other hand, makes perfect sense for the young Wolves. He has the most potential of any of the guards Kahn has recruited. He also has a high basketball IQ, can shoot (something the Wolves really need) and is a high-character player (another thing they could use).


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Cleveland
(19.9% chance of winning lottery)


Derrick Williams

Position: SF
Height: 6-8
Weight: 241
Age: Turns 20 on May 25
School: Arizona
Analysis: Williams is an interesting fit for the Cavs. They'd prefer Irving. But if they can't get him, Williams is the guy. If you project him as a small forward, he fits an immediate need. The Cavs still are trying to fill the huge hole left by LeBron James. Williams can't fill it, but he's a terrific talent.

If you project him as an undersized 4 in the mold of David West, he's competing with J.J. Hickson (the Cavs' only other young building block of note) for a spot in the starting lineup. That's not ideal for a team that has major holes to fill, but the truth is Williams is the only other player on the Big Board worthy of a top-two pick.


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Toronto
(15.6% chance of winning lottery)


Enes Kanter

Position: PF
Height: 6-10
Weight: 255
Age: Turns 19 on May 20
Country: Turkey
Analysis: Bryan Colangelo has a thing for international players. But that's not the only reason we have Kanter going No. 3. Going into the season, a number of scouts considered him a potential No. 1 pick. Thanks to the NCAA, we never got to see whether he could earn it -- but Kanter has a lot going for him.

He is tough, can play inside and out, rebounds the basketball, and has a higher basketball IQ than most of the kids his age. He's a bit undersized for a center, but his toughness in the paint will be a welcome contrast to Andrea Bargnani's Charmin-soft game.



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Washington
(11.9% chance of winning lottery)


Jan Vesely

Position: PF
Height: 6-11
Weight: 240
Age: 21
Country: Czech Republic
Analysis: The Wizards won the draft lottery last year and brought in a thoroughbred in John Wall. What they need is an athletic forward to run the floor with him. Most Euros wouldn't come close to fitting that bill, but Vesely might be the exception. He's terrific in transition and an explosive leaper -- a rarity for Eastern European kids.

He's been a starter in the Euroleague for the past few years, and while his numbers don't necessarily wow you, his game looks like it will translate better at the next level. A bit of a risky pick, but after Irving and Williams are off the board, all the picks are risky.


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Sacramento
(7.6% chance of winning lottery)


Kemba Walker

Position: PG
Height: 6-1
Weight: 172
Age: Turns 21 on May 8
School: UConn
Analysis: The Kings have finally come to two realizations in the past year. One, Tyreke Evans isn't a point guard. Two, character and leadership matter. Enter Walker. Not only does he play the right position, but no one in college basketball showed more heart, leadership or a desire to win than Kemba this past season. He has his weaknesses, but he should give the Kings something they really haven't had in a while -- a winner.


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Utah
(via New Jersey)
(7.5% chance of winning lottery)


Brandon Knight

Position: PG
Height: 6-3
Weight: 185
Age: 18
School: Kentucky
Analysis: The Jazz acquired this pick in their February trade-deadline deal with the Nets. They lost their All-Star point guard Deron Williams in the deal but picked up this pick, Derrick Favors and Devin Harris in return. The Jazz like Harris but see Knight as a potential franchise player down the road.

Knight's freshman season was up and down, but he has a few qualities that make him a terrific fit in Utah. He is big, plays defense, shoots the ball well, and is a great kid on and off the court. He should be a perfect fit with the Jazz.


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Detroit
(4.3% chance of winning lottery)


Bismack Biyombo

Position: SF
Height: 6-9
Weight: 243
Age: 18
Country: Congo
Analysis: Joe Dumars began building the 2000 edition of the Bad Boys around an unheralded, undrafted big man named Ben Wallace a decade ago. Wallace was raw offensively, but his athleticism, length and aggressiveness on the defensive end set the tone for the Pistons for a decade.

The past few years, the Pistons have lost virtually all of that mojo. Biyombo might be the perfect remedy for what ails them. He has burst onto the scene and could be a risk. But it's hard to find his combination of length, athleticism and motor at this point in the draft. He should be a perfect complement to the more offensive-oriented Greg Monroe on the Pistons' front line.


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Cleveland
(via L.A. Clippers)
(2.8% chance of winning lottery)


Jonas Valanciunas

Position: PF
Height: 6-10
Weight: 230
Age: 19
Country: Lithuania
Analysis: The Cavs had a lot of luck with another Lithuanian big man a decade ago -- Zydrunas Ilgauskas. Can lightning strike twice? Some scouts believe he's the most talented international player in the draft. But questions about his contract situation in Europe combined with fears that he lacks the elite athleticism he needs to compete in the NBA lower his stock a bit. At this point in the draft, he's worth the risk.


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Charlotte
(1.7% chance of winning lottery)


Kawhi Leonard

Position: SF
Height: 6-7
Weight: 225
Age: 19
School: San Diego State
Analysis: The Bobcats are a mess. They have some talent. But they also have huge needs at every position on the floor. Leonard might be a bit of a reach this high, but his game reminds me a bit of a young Gerald Wallace.

He plays with a terrific combination of length, athleticism and motor. While he's not as accomplished a ball handler, he's a better rebounder and shooter than Wallace was at this age. The Bobcats certainly can use both his toughness and his versatility.


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Milwaukee
(1.1% chance of winning lottery)


Tristan Thompson

Position: PF
Height: 6-8
Weight: 225
Age: 20
School: Texas
Analysis: The Bucks have two terrific building blocks in Andrew Bogut and Brandon Jennings -- but after that, it's mostly question marks. They traded last summer for Corey Maggette and signed John Salmons and Drew Gooden as free agents, and none of them really panned out as expected.

They really could use help at the 2, 3 and 4 positions. I have Thompson here because, of the players on the board, he's the most likely to be a Scott Skiles-type player. He's tough, aggressive and just a beast on the offensive boards. His skill level isn't particularly high on the offensive end yet, but he's a good fit alongside Bogut on the front line.


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Golden State
(0.8% chance of winning lottery)


Terrence Jones

Position: SF
Height: 6-8
Weight: 244
Age: 19
School: Kentucky
Analysis: I'm not sure Jones is the answer here. He struggled in the second half of the season, and many scouts wonder whether he's going to end up being a tweener in the mold of Al Harrington or Marvin Williams. But Jones' upside and his versatility make him a potential upside pick at No. 11 -- especially if he shows the ability to play the 3 alongside David Lee.


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Utah
(0.7% chance of winning lottery)


Alec Burks

Position: SG
Height: 6-6
Weight: 195
Age: 19
School: Colorado
Analysis: The Jazz have traditionally lacked a scoring athletic slasher in the backcourt. It's been an acknowledged need for years. This might be the year that brings changes. Burks is one of the most athletic guards in the draft. He has a quick first step and is a terrific finisher at the rim. His lack of a consistent jump shot and motor lowers his stock a bit. But at this point in the draft, he's worth the risk.


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Phoenix
(0.6% chance of winning lottery)


Jimmer Fredette

Position: SG
Height: 6-2
Weight: 195
Age: 22
School: Brigham Young
Analysis: Steve Nash won't be around forever, and if the Suns want to continue to play their run-and-gun style, Fredette might be a great option. Like Nash, he is a dead-eye from long range and has a high basketball IQ.

He doesn't have the ballhandling skills or court vision of Nash yet ... but neither did Nash when he was drafted out of Santa Clara. Fredette's terrible defense raises concerns, but at least he's a fit on a team that has been willing to overlook Nash's weakness in that area for years.


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Houston
(0.5% chance of winning lottery)


Jordan Hamilton

Position: SF
Height: 6-7
Weight: 220
Age: 20
School: Texas
Analysis: Hamilton would be a great get for the Rockets here if he's still on the board. He might be the best pure scorer in the draft. Hamilton has unlimited range and is always hunting for his shot.

His shot selection is flat-out embarrassing at times, but when he gets it going, he's very tough to stop. The biggest question will be whether there's enough shots for both Hamilton and Kevin Martin.


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Indiana


Marcus Morris

Position: PF
Height: 6-9
Weight: 235
Age: 21
School: Kansas
Analysis: The Pacers' two biggest needs are an athletic guard who can create his own shot off the dribble, and a long, athletic big man who can block shots and rebound. Unfortunately neither of those players appears to be left on the board. So the Pacers have to settle for the next best thing.

Morris is more of a hybrid forward who can play both the 3 and the 4, sort of like Danny Granger. His ability to stretch the floor and rebound should be welcome in Indiana -- although I'm sure the Pacers will wish he was an inch or two taller. Boston College's Reggie Jackson is another real possibility here.


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Philadelphia


Donatas Motiejunas

Position: PF
Height: 7-0
Weight: 220
Age: 19
Country: Lithuania
Analysis: The Sixers have a ton of talent in the backcourt. But their frontcourt is a mess right now. Thaddeus Young is a free agent and a bit of a tweener. Elton Brand rebounded a bit this season, but his best days are behind him. Motiejunas might not be the answer, but at this point in the draft, he's worth a look. He's an aggressive scorer who can get to the rim. However, his lack of rebounding and defense is an issue.


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New York


Markieff Morris

Position: PF/C
Height: 6-10
Weight: 245
Age: 21
School: Kansas
Analysis: The Knicks really need a center, but you're not finding a terrific option at this point in the draft. Morris might be the best they're going to find. Not only has he proved to be a solid rebounder and shot-blocker, but he has the ability to step outside and knock down jumpers -- a big plus in any Mike D'Antoni system.


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Washington
(via Atlanta)


Klay Thompson

Position: PG
Height: 6-6
Weight: 202
Age: 21
School: Washington St.
Analysis: Nick Young is heading into free agency, and the Wizards could use another shooter in their backcourt to complement Wall. Thompson rivals Fredette as the best shooter in the draft and would be a great fit for the Wizards.



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Charlotte
(via New Orleans)


Reggie Jackson

Position: PG
Height: 6-3
Weight: 208
Age: 21
School: Boston College
Analysis: The Bobcats, as we noted, have needs just about everywhere. Jackson might be the biggest sleeper of the draft and should be a great fit in Charlotte. He is a terrific athlete, has a ridiculous 7-foot wingspan and shot the lights out this junior season. He has virtually every quality you look for in a modern NBA point guard.

The biggest question I have is whether he'll even be around at this point once he hits the Chicago combine and workouts. I think he could have a Paul George-type rise in this draft. I wouldn't be shocked to see the Bobcats ultimately considering him at No. 9.


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Minnesota (via Memphis)


Nikola Mirotic

Position: SF
Height: 6-10
Weight: 226
Age: 21
Country: Serbia
Analysis: Rest easy, Wolves fans. No, we don't have Minnesota taking yet another point guard here. Instead, we have the team taking a point forward. Mirotic is a serious talent -- a versatile forward playing at a very high level in the Euroleague right now.

There are some serious questions about his buyout right now (not sure the Wolves want to revisit this again), but at this point in the draft, he's a great value. If his contract were clean and he could come right away, he'd be a lottery pick.


PICK TEAM PLAYER VITALS


Portland


Kenneth Faried

Position: PF
Height: 6-8
Weight: 225
Age: 21
School: Morehead State
Analysis: The Blazers were very high on Faried last year when he entered the draft and likely would have taken him in the first round. Faried withdrew, however, then came back to have another terrific season.

I find it hard to believe they'd pass on him if he falls this far. He was the best rebounder in college basketball, plays hard every night and brings some frantic energy to the court. A steal at No. 21.


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Denver


Tobias Harris

Position: PF
Height: 6-8
Weight: 226
Age: 18
School: Tennessee
Analysis: The Nuggets have a very bright future, post-Carmelo Anthony. The trade that netted them Danilo Gallinari and Wilson Chandler for Melo might have worked out better for Denver than it did for New York. While the backcourt looks set with Ty Lawson and Arron Afflalo, and Nene and Gallinari look like the future on the front line, there's still a need in the frontcourt.

Chandler is a free agent, and the Nuggets might not want to meet his asking price. Harris might be one of the more underrated players in the draft. He can play both the 3 and 4, has a very high basketball IQ and has an NBA body. He doesn't do any one thing at an elite level, but he's one of the most well-rounded players in the draft.


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Houston
(via Orlando)


Darius Morris

Position: PG
Height: 6-4
Weight: 190
Age: 20
School: Michigan
Analysis: The Rockets got a career year out of Kyle Lowry, but is he the long-term answer at the point? I think they'd have to take a hard look at Morris if he's here.

He's different than Lowry. He is bigger and really sees the floor well. His lack of elite quickness and shooting ability hurts his stock a bit -- but some scouts compare him to a young Andre Miller.


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Oklahoma City


Tyler Honeycutt

Position: G/F
Height: 6-8
Weight: 188
Age: 20
School: UCLA
Analysis: The Thunder are solid at virtually every position on the floor. But with Jeff Green being shipped off to Boston this year, Honeycutt could come in and bring some depth. Honeycutt isn't as big as Green, but he's a talented, versatile wing with a great basketball IQ. He'd be a great fit in OKC.


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Boston


Chris Singleton

Position: SF
Height: 6-9
Weight: 225
Age: 21
School: Florida State
Analysis: The Celtics pride themselves on being a defensive team, and Singleton might be the best perimeter defensive player in the draft. He can guard three positions on the floor, and shut down virtually everything with his length, strength and quickness. His offensive game is a still a work in progress, but that's not going to discourage teams this late in the draft.


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Dallas


Davis Bertans

Position: SF
Height: 6-10
Weight: 210
Age: 18
Country: Latvia
Analysis: It's unfair to compare any young European player to Dirk Nowitzki. But after watching Bertans shoot the lights out in the practices of the Nike Hoop Summit, that's how some scouts were referring to him. Bertans doesn't have Nowitzki's size or strength and looks to be a pretty serious project. But long term, he could be a really nice addition for the Mavs.


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New Jersey
(via L.A. Lakers)


Justin Harper

Position: PF
Height: 6-10
Weight: 225
Age: 21
School: Richmond
Analysis: Harper played off the radar for most of the season, but scouts really like him. He is a good athlete, has good size and can really stroke the basketball. He plays a bit like a young Rashard Lewis. He won't take over games very often but is a nice complementary player.


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Chicago
(via Miami)


Charles Jenkins

Position: SG
Height: 6-3
Weight: 220
Age: 22
School: Hoftstra
Analysis: The Bulls still miss the explosive scoring off the bench that Ben Gordon used to deliver. While it's a stretch to compare Jenkins to him, it's not totally off. Jenkins can stroke the basketball and was one of the most explosive scorers in college basketball. A sleeper for the late first round.


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San Antonio


Lucas Noguiera

Position: C
Height: 6-11
Weight: 218
Age: 18
Country: Brazil
Analysis: The Spurs have done a good job over the years of finding young international players and stashing them overseas for a few years until they are ready. Noguiera seems like a good candidate.

He's long, athletic and a terrific shot-blocker. He just needs more experience and about 30 pounds of muscle. A few years in Europe should help prepare him.


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Chicago


Bogan Bogdanovic

Position: SF
Height: 6-7
Weight: 200
Age: 22
Country: Croatia
Analysis: Bogdanovic likely will stay in Europe the next few years thanks to a new lucrative contract in Spain. But he could be an asset for the Bulls -- especially when they already have another pick in the first round.


Next Five In: Josh Selby, G, Kansas; Trey Thompkins, PF, Georgia; Travis Leslie, SG, Georgia; Jon Leuer, PF, Wisconsin; JaJuan Johnson, F, Purdue.

Kstat
05-05-2011, 01:52 PM
It's crazy how many mock drafts have Biyombo going to the Pistons.

Trader Joe
05-05-2011, 01:53 PM
Marcus Morris would be a terrible pick for this team. Ugh.

Hicks
05-05-2011, 01:55 PM
He has us taking Marcus and saying we're settling since there are no more rebounding shot blockers, and that we wish he were taller.... then he has the Knicks taking Markief, who is the taller of the twins, and he then goes on to say how the Knicks can use this kid's rebounding and shot blocking! :wtf:

I know very little about these guys, but from what's stated above, why on earth would be prefer Marcus over his brother?

Kstat
05-05-2011, 01:56 PM
IMO Marcus Morris is who I'd pick in that spot as well. He's offensive punch off the bench that the pacers really need, as well as the most talented guy remaining on the board.

Professor S
05-05-2011, 01:57 PM
He has us taking Marcus and saying we're settling since there are no more rebounding shot blockers, and that we wish he were taller.... then he has the Knicks taking Markief, who is the taller of the twins, and he then goes on to say how the Knicks can use this kid's rebounding and shot blocking! :wtf:

I know very little about these guys, but from what's stated above, why on earth would be prefer Marcus over his brother?

No kidding. Also, given the need for rebounding/shot blocking, if Faried is there we are picking him. Right?

ECKrueger
05-05-2011, 01:58 PM
He has us taking Marcus and saying we're settling since there are no more rebounding shot blockers, and that we wish he were taller.... then he has the Knicks taking Markief, who is the taller of the twins, and he then goes on to say how the Knicks can use this kid's rebounding and shot blocking! :wtf:

I know very little about these guys, but from what's stated above, why on earth would be prefer Marcus over his brother?

I thought the same thing, plus Markief can play 4/5 which we need a lot more than another 3/4

vnzla81
05-05-2011, 01:59 PM
I would love either Morris brother.

Kstat
05-05-2011, 01:59 PM
No kidding. Also, given the need for rebounding/shot blocking, if Faried is there we are picking him. Right?

Faried is a rebounder but not a shot blocker. He's also a poor man to man defender.

You'd basically be drafting a developmental Jeff Foster.

vnzla81
05-05-2011, 02:15 PM
How can he do this? Don't they have to wait until the season ends?


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Butler G Shelvin Mack is scheduled to workout today for the Oklahoma City Thunder, NBA source said.

RWB
05-05-2011, 02:16 PM
I like the shooter, give me Klay Thompson if he has given up on the Doobie Brothers.

Professor S
05-05-2011, 02:26 PM
Faried is a rebounder but not a shot blocker. He's also a poor man to man defender.

You'd basically be drafting a developmental Jeff Foster.

At the 15 pick in a weak draft I'll take a Jeff Foster.

wintermute
05-05-2011, 02:32 PM
Given those choices, I'd rather have Faried too if we're going big. If we go PG, I like the big PG's Reggie Jackson and Darius Morris.

Marcus Morris doesn't seem to fill any need. Yes we need another scorer but not at the 3/4. Reggie Jackson fits better as a scoring combo guard.

Kstat
05-05-2011, 02:32 PM
Point is, you need a scorer more than a Jeff foster.

wintermute
05-05-2011, 02:39 PM
Faried is a rebounder but not a shot blocker.

Why do you say that? His NCAA shotblocking numbers aren't terrible. 2.3 blks in 35 min?


How can he do this? Don't they have to wait until the season ends?

Nope, teams can workout players now. Sometimes even teams still in the playoffs do that, but rarely.

naptownmenace
05-05-2011, 02:40 PM
The guy I want them to draft is Tyler Honeycutt. He can ball with the ball in his hands or spot-up and shoot. He's from a school and system that has produced a lot of good guards lately.

Sparhawk
05-05-2011, 02:53 PM
Given those choices, I'd rather have Faried too if we're going big. If we go PG, I like the big PG's Reggie Jackson and Darius Morris.

Marcus Morris doesn't seem to fill any need. Yes we need another scorer but not at the 3/4. Reggie Jackson fits better as a scoring combo guard.

I'm with you. If no worthy PF is there, you look to get a nice backup point guard in either Reggie Jackson or Darius Morris.

I've never heard of Reggie, but now I'm intrigued after reading about him.

In a weak draft, we could trade up, but with loads of players coming off the books, what we have to offer? Not sure this would be an option. I'd honestly like to trade the pick in a package for what we need, or we try to trade our pick for someone's pick next year.

Wilk39
05-05-2011, 02:58 PM
Reggie Jackson is who I would prefer at that spot. A PG with a 7 foot wingspan? Yes, please!

Shade
05-05-2011, 03:02 PM
Reggie Jackson, eh?

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BringJackBack
05-05-2011, 03:06 PM
Who is this Reggie Jackson guy? Is he good?

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ECKrueger
05-05-2011, 03:12 PM
He is sure as hell intriguing. 6'3" but 7 foot wingspan? Wow. Just looked around a little, and found he is a good defender and rebounder, but does not have a ton of point guard skills yet. Jumper and vision need work, but it sounds like he has not been playing the point forever.

Oh ya, and crazy athletic. They say not a great jumper, but I think he shot over 40% from 3 last year.

Good at penetrating.

Kstat
05-05-2011, 03:14 PM
Why do you say that? His NCAA shotblocking numbers aren't terrible. 2.3 blks in 35 min?


Because he sat in a zone and basically waited for little guards to dribble right at him. He got mauled in the paint against quality athletes.

cdash
05-05-2011, 03:15 PM
I like Reggie Jackson. Truth be told, I don't really care though. I just hope we get someone who can give us a Darrell Arthur-like spark off the bench. I don't know the difference between the Morris twins, but I'd probably be fine with them or Jackson, who I think would be a big, potentially solid defensive point guard that we need behind Collison.

BringJackBack
05-05-2011, 03:21 PM
Ditto cdash. I just want a guy who can be a spark right away. Both Morris', Jackson with his defense and size, and even a Jimmer would please me, if we don't trade the pick.

ColeTheMole
05-05-2011, 03:41 PM
Put Faried in the starting lineup. Then there finally would be enough shots to go around for this team to be at their best.

Collison (a shoot first PG)
George (we don't even know what he'll be like next year)
Granger (a scorer)
Faried (Everything but scorer even though he did average 17 a game)
Hibbert (At his best when he is scoring since he rarely grabs 15+ boards a game)

Then, Tyler can come in with Foster to provide scoring in the 2nd unit's frontcourt.

Every starter can't be a scorer. Look at the celtics. Rondo only scores because he has the ball in his hand so much. Look at Miami. Two starters who are definitely not scorers. Faried would be beautiful in a Pacers uniform.

Lou Bega
05-05-2011, 04:08 PM
So early prospects will go up and down; Mock Drafts will change as well.

What is the effect with the looming lockout? Do kids stay in school or are teams going to reach for Euro players.

If we go with a four do resign Josh? If we go with a wing do we resign MDJ? There are a lot of decisions to be made. Thank goodness the draft is almost 6 weeks away.

I would love for an older team (Boston) to get desperate and trade the Pacers Paul Pierce for our pick and James Posey.

Lou Bega
05-05-2011, 04:09 PM
Put Faried in the starting lineup. Then there finally would be enough shots to go around for this team to be at their best.

Collison (a shoot first PG)
George (we don't even know what he'll be like next year)
Granger (a scorer)
Faried (Everything but scorer even though he did average 17 a game)
Hibbert (At his best when he is scoring since he rarely grabs 15+ boards a game)

Then, Tyler can come in with Foster to provide scoring in the 2nd unit's frontcourt.

Every starter can't be a scorer. Look at the celtics. Rondo only scores because he has the ball in his hand so much. Look at Miami. Two starters who are definitely not scorers. Faried would be beautiful in a Pacers uniform.

Screw Faried just move in Renaldo Balkman. They are pretty much the same player.

pacergod2
05-05-2011, 04:13 PM
I'm on board with Markieff. I have probably said it 100 times already, but he is the most capable front court player that is projecting around 15. Marcus is a solid player, but we need the experience Markieff has playing in the paint. Marcus did not do nearly as much dirty work as Markieff. Markieff has a solid jumper out to 18 feet, but he didn't use it much because his job was playing the paint. We need a big, not a combo forward. We already have several on our roster.

Give me Rick Jackson in the second round. Or if a guy like Nogieura or Tyler falls then take a flier on a raw big like them.

Swish
05-05-2011, 04:13 PM
Here's the mock in a little prettier version:

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pacergod2
05-05-2011, 04:16 PM
Screw Faried just move in Renaldo Balkman. They are pretty much the same player.

I really think Faried is a good rebounder, which will translate to the NBA. I love your point about him being similar to Renaldo Balkman. Everybody wants him to be of the mold of Paul Milsap, but he doesn't play as big as Milsap regardless of his rebounding numbers. He is much more like Balkman IMO than Milsap, but I would say he is going to be better than Balkman.

I think he is being highly overrated. He deserves to be a late first early second round pick, but in this draft he will end up going around 20, IMO.

ballism
05-05-2011, 04:39 PM
I'd rather take Markief than his brother.

ballism
05-05-2011, 04:46 PM
And I still have a small hope Valanciunas drops a little further. He won't wow in the workouts, I wouldn't think. High energy guy who's still weakish, no offensive moves and lots of illegal defense (for NBA) - those guys generally don't impress in workouts. So if the buyout is trully horrible and it takes years, there might be a tiny chance he drops to us.

jcouts
05-05-2011, 04:47 PM
Screw Faried just move in Renaldo Balkman. They are pretty much the same player.

surely Faried doesn't smoke that much ganja???

I Love P
05-05-2011, 04:51 PM
I'll pass on anyone from Kansas. I'll be pissed if we take a.Morris twin. Hope we learned from Rush. Those 3 look too much alike.

pacergod2
05-05-2011, 04:56 PM
I'll pass on anyone from Kansas. I'll be pissed if we take a.Morris twin. Hope we learned from Rush. Those 3 look too much alike.

Damn you Wilt Chamberlain, Danny Manning, and Paul Pierce!!! What a terrible program that puts out terrible players!!! :D

ilive4sports
05-05-2011, 05:07 PM
I just like how Ford says we need a PF who can rebound and shot block, which is how he describes Markief and then has us take Marcus instead...

I Love P
05-05-2011, 05:08 PM
Morris twins = Brandon Rush and Wayne Simien. P.A.S.S. pass pass pass.

Kegboy
05-05-2011, 05:13 PM
Point is, you need a scorer more than a Jeff foster.

Marcus has been rightly compared to Al Harrington, and we sure need a Jeff Foster more than an Al Harrington, considering we'll be losing the Jeff Foster sooner than later.

ensergio
05-05-2011, 05:22 PM
Screw Faried just move in Renaldo Balkman. They are pretty much the same player.

That is a sentence based only in aparience. Faried is a much better rebounder. A whole other level. Some scouts talk about him like Rodman-type rebounder.

owl
05-05-2011, 05:41 PM
Nbadraft.net and Draftexpress.com do not have him listed in their mocks.

http://www.nbadraft.net/players/reggie-jackson

KingGeorge
05-05-2011, 06:17 PM
I really hope we trade our pick. This draft class is average at best.

SMosley21
05-05-2011, 06:24 PM
I want Reggie Jackson, and anything else will be a bit of a let down. He's exactly what we need in the backcourt, a PG who can shoot, guard bigger point guards and can also create offense in bunches.

ballism
05-05-2011, 06:39 PM
I just like how Ford says we need a PF who can rebound and shot block, which is how he describes Markief and then has us take Marcus instead...

Well to be fair, Ford does his mocks based on rumours/chats with GMs. Not on his own views. So he's likely heard that Bird&co like Marcus more.

ilive4sports
05-05-2011, 06:41 PM
Well to be fair, Ford does his mocks based on rumours/chats with GMs. Not on his own views. So I'd assume he heard that Bird &co likes Marcus more.

Well then he shouldn't say there isn't a shot blocker and good rebounder left on the board in the description at our pick and then describe Markief as a shot blocker and a rebounder :-p

ECKrueger
05-05-2011, 06:49 PM
I want Reggie Jackson, and anything else will be a bit of a let down. He's exactly what we need in the backcourt, a PG who can shoot, guard bigger point guards and can also create offense in bunches.

I am kind of excited about him now too, I even read he might have a 'Paul George-like' climb in the draft, potentially to the kitties at 9.

SMosley21
05-05-2011, 06:54 PM
Remember when Montiejunas was projected as a high lottery pick last season by some "experts"? Now this year with a MUCH weaker draft, he's projected to go mid-1st round. My joy that he didn't enter the draft last season and even slightly tempt the Pacers to draft him seems warranted.

ballism
05-05-2011, 06:55 PM
Well then he shouldn't say there isn't a shot blocker and good rebounder left on the board in the description at our pick and then describe Markief as a shot blocker and a rebounder :-p

Indeed, the wording is sloppy. Maybe Pacers feel Markief isn't good enough to start next to Hibbert (which is where we'd love his skillset first and foremost).

BringJackBack
05-05-2011, 06:56 PM
Remember when Montiejunas was projected as a high lottery pick last season by some "experts"? Now this year with a MUCH weaker draft, he's projected to go mid-1st round. My joy that he didn't enter the draft last season and even slightly tempt the Pacers to draft him seems warranted.

Yeah I know and I agree; I'm so glad that we have George. Word is that Montiejunas just doesn't 'love' the game of basketball. Which of course is a ridiculously huge red flag.

Major Cold
05-05-2011, 07:04 PM
I am all for trading this pick. The first half of the second round may have more players playing 5 years from now than the last half of the first round.

It is not a horrid draft...just a lot of ????? on nearly every player. Major questions as well.

ballism
05-05-2011, 07:06 PM
Remember when Montiejunas was projected as a high lottery pick last season by some "experts"? Now this year with a MUCH weaker draft, he's projected to go mid-1st round. My joy that he didn't enter the draft last season and even slightly tempt the Pacers to draft him seems warranted.

He overstayed in Italy imo, from development standpoint. Great weather, beautiful women, a team that pays you a ton of money to fill Bargnani's spot, the team isn't in Euroleague. Not the best situation to prepare for NBA, especially if you have the lazy gene.
He'd probably be better off if he spent this year in Utah or Indiana.

ballism
05-05-2011, 07:10 PM
I am all for trading this pick. The first half of the second round may have more players playing 5 years from now than the last half of the second round.

It is not a horrid draft...just a lot of ????? on nearly every player. Major questions as well.

That's quite usual :p

cdash
05-05-2011, 07:38 PM
I want Reggie Jackson, and anything else will be a bit of a let down. He's exactly what we need in the backcourt, a PG who can shoot, guard bigger point guards and can also create offense in bunches.

Isn't his shooting his big red flag? I read where he isn't a very good shooter--at all.

cdash
05-05-2011, 07:40 PM
Besides the Morris twins and Reggie Jackson, Darius Morris intrigues me. You talk about big point guards--this guy is 6'5 and a pure point. Good defensive potential, good support system in his family (underrated factor), and supposedly has the best floor vision in the draft. Seems like a good DC complement with lots of potential.

ChristianDudley
05-05-2011, 07:57 PM
Kenneth Faried anyone???

Otherwise....

TRADE THAT PICK! TRADE THAT PICK!!! lol...If there were any year we should trade/sell our 1st round pick, I'd say now is the time because of a below-normal talent level in this draft compared to most years, plus there really isn't much to choose from that would satisfy our current needs.

xBulletproof
05-05-2011, 08:02 PM
Why does everyone keep screaming to trade the pick?

Don't you guys think every other team in the league is thinking the same thing, which is going to make them worthless? Might as well keep it and get what you can out of it. Seriously doubt anyone is going to trade you anything worthwhile because your 2011 1st round pick is included.

ensergio
05-05-2011, 08:05 PM
Kenneth Faried anyone???

Otherwise....

TRADE THAT PICK! TRADE THAT PICK!!! lol...If there were any year we should trade/sell our 1st round pick, I'd say now is the time because of a below-normal talent level in this draft compared to most years, plus there really isn't much to choose from that would satisfy our current needs.

Everyone wants to trade the pick. Who is buying?

ECKrueger
05-05-2011, 08:37 PM
Isn't his shooting his big red flag? I read where he isn't a very good shooter--at all.

FG% (Fr-So-Jr) .440 - .430 - .503

3PT% (Fr-do-Jr) .273 - .291 - .420

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=41460

xIndyFan
05-05-2011, 08:53 PM
as always a lot depends on the pre-draft camp measurements. that's when the 6-8 PF end up 6-6 PF's. the former might make your team if he is athletic enough, the latter is a waste of a draft pick.

i expect the pacers to take one of the internationals. based on the write-ups, i like Lucas Noguiera.


Position: C
Height: 6-11
Weight: 218
Age: 18
Country: Brazil

He's long, athletic and a terrific shot-blocker. He just needs more experience and about 30 pounds of muscle. A few years in Europe should help prepare him.

Banta
05-05-2011, 08:58 PM
I still like Kawhi Leonard on this team and think there is a fair chance he would be there at 15.

pacer4ever
05-05-2011, 09:03 PM
as always a lot depends on the pre-draft camp measurements. that's when the 6-8 PF end up 6-6 PF's. the former might make your team if he is athletic enough, the latter is a waste of a draft pick.

i expect the pacers to take one of the internationals. based on the write-ups, i like Lucas Noguiera.

I love this kid he really impressed me in the film i've watch of him. But the kid is proably 3-5 yrs away from being NBA ready.

pacer4ever
05-05-2011, 09:06 PM
Yeah I know and I agree; I'm so glad that we have George. Word is that Montiejunas just doesn't 'love' the game of basketball. Which of course is a ridiculously huge red flag.

How did they figure that out? Most players hide that pretty well because it really is a HUGE Red Flag

Ive heard from one of my friends who is the backup pg to Marquis Teague at Pike that he hates basketball. That kid is so gifted it is a shame he is 10X better than his brother.

Pacerized
05-05-2011, 09:13 PM
Marcus Morris

Position: PF
Height: 6-9
Weight: 235
Age: 21
School: Kansas
Analysis: The Pacers' two biggest needs are an athletic guard who can create his own shot off the dribble, and a long, athletic big man who can block shots and rebound. Unfortunately neither of those players appears to be left on the board. So the Pacers have to settle for the next best thing.

Morris is more of a hybrid forward who can play both the 3 and the 4, sort of like Danny Granger. His ability to stretch the floor and rebound should be welcome in Indiana -- although I'm sure the Pacers will wish he was an inch or two taller. Boston College's Reggie Jackson is another real possibility here.

I would love to get a forward who has no chance at ever being able to play the 3.
If we can't find a true big man I hope we sign a tall back up pg.

xIndyFan
05-05-2011, 09:32 PM
I love this kid he really impressed me in the film i've watch of him. But the kid is proably 3-5 yrs away from being NBA ready.

yes, i get that from what is said about him. but he does look like a guy that will be in the league 5 yrs from now. and has a chance to be a starter by then. too many of the other guys don't. they look like guys that will be backups for a couple of years and then replaced by another young guy with a cheap contract.

look at josh mcroberts. where would he go in this draft? top 10? top 15? how many of these guys are going to be better than that. idk.

pacer4ever
05-05-2011, 09:37 PM
yes, i get that from what is said about him. but he does look like a guy that will be in the league 5 yrs from now. and has a chance to be a starter by then. too many of the other guys don't. they look like guys that will be backups for a couple of years and then replaced by another young guy with a cheap contract.

look at josh mcroberts. where would he go in this draft? top 10? top 15? how many of these guys are going to be better than that. idk.

When I say 5 yrs away i mean I dont know if his body will be NBA ready for that long. I dont think he comes over until he is 21-23. Would love to have him but dont know if it is worth the wait.

I like this guy 20x better than Mcbob he has crazy skills but is crazy raw and may never even devlope would be risky.

I Love P
05-05-2011, 09:47 PM
Im down to trade the pick. I don't know what we would get but say a guy falls to the 9th or 10 spot that could come in and help us right away trade the 15th and a player or next years pick which I would believe to be around 18-22 figuring well have a decent record.

owl
05-05-2011, 10:24 PM
Reggie Jackson has very good shooting percentages this past year. He seems to have very good handles and big hands. I seem to remember a pg from Kentucky who could not shoot worth a hoot(ha) and seems to be good enough to win a championship.
I think he should be looked at very closely. That reach is a huge advantage.

Justin Tyme
05-05-2011, 11:20 PM
If we go PG, I like the big PG's Reggie Jackson and Darius Morris.


It would be great to have a big PG! Both sound interesting.

wintermute
05-06-2011, 03:54 AM
Nbadraft.net and Draftexpress.com do not have him listed in their mocks.


He's #23 on DX. Draft.net will list him eventually.

Actually I think Chad Ford is right, he's bound to rise in the workouts, probably beyond the Pacers' pick.


Besides the Morris twins and Reggie Jackson, Darius Morris intrigues me. You talk about big point guards--this guy is 6'5 and a pure point. Good defensive potential, good support system in his family (underrated factor), and supposedly has the best floor vision in the draft. Seems like a good DC complement with lots of potential.

Yeah. Reminds me of Andre Miller actually. Not very athletic, but crafty.

OakMoses
05-06-2011, 09:06 AM
I like Darius Morris a lot as well. I remember watching him play, seeing how big he was, and then thinking "Damn, that dude's a PG?" I think if he'd have stayed one more year and improved as much as he did since last season he'd have been a sure-fire lottery pick.

owl
05-06-2011, 09:28 AM
He's #23 on DX. Draft.net will list him eventually.


Blind in one eye and can't see out the other.....

CableKC
05-06-2011, 09:59 AM
Damn you Wilt Chamberlain, Danny Manning, and Paul Pierce!!! What a terrible program that puts out terrible players!!! :D
Well, doesn't some of the recent "crop" ( pardon the pun ) of Kansas players have a tendency to smoke the "ganja"?

We know that BRush and Chalmers did ;)

Lou Bega
05-06-2011, 10:24 AM
2 Scenarios

1.D Rose wins the MVP; PG becomes big in this draft. Teams stretch for PG's like they did for QB's in the NFL Draft.

2.Teams are afraid of a lockout and players getting inactive & Euro players become the premium.

Either scenario a very good player will slip to the Pacers. Odds are the player we draft will not get significant minutes unless an injury happens.

I am not insulting the play of Balkman or Faried. It is damn near impossible to come in the league and dominately rebound. They are so many crafty veterans (ie Foster) Kevin Love wasn't even a dominant rebounder his rookie year & he was drafted top 5.

Justin Tyme
05-06-2011, 10:26 AM
I just hope Reggie Jackson doesn't turn out to be another O. Greene... big PG at 6'4", suppose "D" player, that couldn't shoot. Walsh got him, and he never was more than the 4th PG.

pacergod2
05-06-2011, 10:43 AM
I've watched quite a bit of Darius Morris this year. I am mad he is leaving Michigan, but at the same time, he would be worth the 15th pick in this draft, IMO.

He is big, but still would need to add some muscle for the NBA game. His vision is OUTSTANDING. It is by far his biggest attribute as a PG. That is something that is not measurable in a combine type of workout, but is the difference between Steve Blake and Steve Nash. He is tremendous with the ball in his hands. Good decision maker, doesn't turn the ball over too much. He did have quite a few turnovers this year, but so many of them were from having the entire burden of Michigan's offense on his shoulders. It is why DRose and Rondo have so many turnovers. He can score at the rim and can score over most other PGs because of his height and solid hops.

This is a kid I would seriously consider if I am picking at 15 and had PG needs. His jump shot does need work, but it is because he was so adept at scoring in or passing out of the paint. He is quick enough to handle smaller PGs and what he gives up in quickness he covers with his length.

I would be ecstatic with him at 15, especially if we don't consider Price and Stephenson answers to compete at PG. We need bigs to develop in this draft, because there are a lot of them. Morris may be the best PG in this draft outside of Kyrie Irving, though.

naptownmenace
05-06-2011, 10:49 AM
I still like Kawhi Leonard on this team and think there is a fair chance he would be there at 15.

Agreed. I like Leonard or Honeycutt. None of the "bigs" in this draft interest me.

imbtyler
05-06-2011, 12:02 PM
Reggie Jackson is who I would prefer at that spot. A PG with a 7 foot wingspan? Yes, please!

When I saw Indiana's "other" suggested pick being Reggie Jackson, my first thought was that we shouldn't have another Reggie. But then I scrolled down the article and read of his wingspan, and my mind was almost instantly changed.


Reggie Jackson

Analysis: The Bobcats, as we noted, have needs just about everywhere. Jackson might be the biggest sleeper of the draft and should be a great fit in Charlotte. He is a terrific athlete, has a ridiculous 7-foot wingspan and shot the lights out this junior season. He has virtually every quality you look for in a modern NBA point guard.

The biggest question I have is whether he'll even be around at this point once he hits the Chicago combine and workouts. I think he could have a Paul George-type rise in this draft. I wouldn't be shocked to see the Bobcats ultimately considering him at No. 9.

Then I read that line and got even more intrigued. Enough to look for video of the kid. In case you hadn't seen him before either:

<iframe width="853" height="510" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/aWX6fsCD7BM" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

If we could score two Paul George-level risers in two consecutive draft, especially with the second in a very weak draft, that'd be pretty lucky/fantastic. We wouldn't need AJ anymore, and Lance would become more obsolete (for you haters).

I agree with Ford in saying we should be looking for a rebounding, shot-blocking forward/center, and Bird shouldn't be credited with overstocking positions (George in '10 when we have a SF, Jackson when we have a PG), but I'd be willing to take that shot. He seems to have the defense eye we're looking for in a PG, and he can score quite easily; quick first step, good shooter, has some sweet moves in the paint, and can get to the rim easily.

He's got my vote. Wouldn't be disappointed with the pick.

Gamble1
05-06-2011, 12:21 PM
Why does everyone keep screaming to trade the pick?

Don't you guys think every other team in the league is thinking the same thing, which is going to make them worthless? Might as well keep it and get what you can out of it. Seriously doubt anyone is going to trade you anything worthwhile because your 2011 1st round pick is included.
I honestly don't know if a lot of teams are trying to trade their picks but I think the FO should always look into packaging a deal to improve the roster. Every year I think a team falls in love with a draftees potential and wants to trade up for that player. Last year we saw I think 7 draft day trades involving first round picks. Combine that with many teams salary concerns and our avaliable cap space and we might have a better chance to do a trade this year.

Certainly we benefited from trading our best player JO for a draft pick and salary cap space and a borderline starting pg. Of course I think its easier said then done but its still plausible for us to trade the pick because someone falls to us and a team is looking to rebuild and cut salary.

IF we do trade the pick I don't think it would be for a all star player of course but it could be for a player with some upside and/or a player who has an injury concern of some sorts, ie David West. This is what we did with JO and before anyone says, How did that work out for Toronto, I would like to add that every trade that is worth while will have some risks involved.

I think the Pacers FO should work the phones and see whats out there and for what price. I mean what do the Nuggets do with Felton and what does Utah do with their crowded front court?

Personally I would rather have Mayo than many of the guys we have projected to us.

pacer4ever
05-06-2011, 12:24 PM
When I saw Indiana's "other" suggested pick being Reggie Jackson, my first thought was that we shouldn't have another Reggie. But then I scrolled down the article and read of his wingspan, and my mind was almost instantly changed.



Then I read that line and got even more intrigued. Enough to look for video of the kid. In case you hadn't seen him before either:

<iframe width="853" height="510" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/aWX6fsCD7BM" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

If we could score two Paul George-level risers in two consecutive draft, especially with the second in a very weak draft, that'd be pretty lucky/fantastic. We wouldn't need AJ anymore, and Lance would become more obsolete (for you haters).

I agree with Ford in saying we should be looking for a rebounding, shot-blocking forward/center, and Bird shouldn't be credited with overstocking positions (George in '10 when we have a SF, Jackson when we have a PG), but I'd be willing to take that shot. He seems to have the defense eye we're looking for in a PG, and he can score quite easily; quick first step, good shooter, has some sweet moves in the paint, and can get to the rim easily.

He's got my vote. Wouldn't be disappointed with the pick.

I think Jackson is gonna fly up the board during the combine and might go top 10. I would love him as a backup and eventually as the starter still has a lot of room to grow.

Hicks
05-06-2011, 12:31 PM
:lmao: I had to stop watching that video 27 seconds in because it literally shows the same play, AN OFFENSIVE FOUL, THREE TIMES as if that's supposed to show off this man. Wow.

Hicks
05-06-2011, 12:33 PM
Okay, I felt I should keep watching, and I see the finally tally is six clips/stills of the offensive foul. That's so terrible. :laugh:

bphil
05-06-2011, 12:37 PM
At the 15 pick in a weak draft I'll take a Jeff Foster.

I'm thinking Foster would've been top 5 in this gnarly draft. Ugh.

No way Jackson is still around at 15.

naptownmenace
05-06-2011, 12:37 PM
Greg Anthony says that Kemba Walker and Tyler Honeycutt are the 2 most NBA ready players in this draft. He even compares Honeycutt to Harrison Barnes.

http://sports.yahoo.com/video/player/nba/Y_Sports_NBA_Coverage/25123479;_ylt=AuslihVJB44Vm6648HBspF68vLYF#nba/Y_Sports_NBA_Coverage/25123479

I'll just say it again, Tyler Honeycutt is the guy I think the Pacers should draft if he's still on the board.

pacer4ever
05-06-2011, 12:39 PM
Greg Anthony says that Kemba Walker and Tyler Honeycutt are the 2 most NBA ready players in this draft. He even compares Honeycutt to Harrison Barnes.

http://sports.yahoo.com/video/player/nba/Y_Sports_NBA_Coverage/25123479;_ylt=AuslihVJB44Vm6648HBspF68vLYF#nba/Y_Sports_NBA_Coverage/25123479

I'll just say it again, Tyler Honeycutt is the guy I think the Pacers should draft if he's still on the board.

I watched Honeycutt a lot he really didnt impress me. The kids at UCLA I called the UCLA the disppointments this year there are 3-4 player who are suppose to be really good and they just didnt impress me when I watched them.

pacer4ever
05-06-2011, 12:40 PM
Okay, I felt I should keep watching, and I see the finally tally is six clips/stills of the offensive foul. That's so terrible. :laugh:

Danny Granger does an offensive foul every time he drives and they dont call it.


Where is the offensive foul? That could be a charge but i think block is the proper call. Watching film instead of youtube mixs tapes is the better way to grade anyway.

xBulletproof
05-06-2011, 12:44 PM
:lmao: I had to stop watching that video 27 seconds in because it literally shows the same play, AN OFFENSIVE FOUL, THREE TIMES as if that's supposed to show off this man. Wow.

It does show off his athletic ability, and besides that from what I remember I think it was a bad call. The guy slid under him, and would have been in the circle in the NBA.


Danny Granger does an offensive foul every time he drives and they dont call it.

He sure does use that off hand a lot more than most, but he never gets called for it.

Gamble1
05-06-2011, 01:03 PM
It does show off his athletic ability, and besides that from what I remember I think it was a bad call. The guy slid under him, and would have been in the circle in the NBA.
Well it looks like he can finish in the lane with either hand and he can use the glass pretty well. The fastbreak alley-oop pass at the 4:20 mark in this video and the same play at the 5:08 mark is pretty good cosidering its beyond the halfcourt line. He also looks like he can feed the post pretty well with those long arms. I am sure that is something Hibbert would appreciate.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-JaOo42GLY&feature=related

Heisenberg
05-06-2011, 01:05 PM
We ain't gettin him, but Brandon Knight's officially in, supposedly got a top 10 promise. One of my favorite prospects.

And this draft, screw drafting for any kind of need. Best player available the entire way, regardless of position. You should always do that in the NBA but that's a different discussion.

spreedom
05-06-2011, 01:12 PM
We ain't gettin him, but Brandon Knight's officially in, supposedly got a top 10 promise. One of my favorite prospects.

And this draft, screw drafting for any kind of need. Best player available the entire way, regardless of position. You should always do that in the NBA but that's a different discussion.


I don't think you can always draft BPA when your roster can only be 15 players at the max. In the NFL, sure you can, because you get 53 roster spots.

But if we're keeping the same basic pieces that we had this past season, I would not draft another swingman unless he was a can't-miss prospect, and I don't think there will be any of those available to us this year unless we trade way up.

MyFavMartin
05-06-2011, 02:10 PM
Does Gary Williams retirement at UMD keep or signal Jordan Williams is staying in the draft?

dgranger17
05-06-2011, 04:15 PM
I think the draft is deep. Maybe not with superstars or even all-stars, but there are lot of players in this draft that can fill roles on many teams around the league. This isn't the NFL (pre-lockout anyway) where the 15th pick gets a massive contract. With the rookie pay scale in place, why not take the best available player for an extremely fair price and hope for the best? We'll get him for 4 years (assuming we pick up the team options) at a great price. If he doesn't turn into a stud, then we either let him walk or resign to another decent contract and let him be a 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, or 10th man for cheap. Role players are extremely underrated. If nobody wants to trade for Rush this offseason or before the deadline next year, I'm down for keeping on the team for a Dahntay Jones like contract. He plays D and can hit the corner 3 a la Bruce Bowen. We also know he can occasionally take over a game (the road game in Miami earlier in the season).

In conclusion, keep the pick and let Larry work his magic. Rookies are cheap labor.

I Love Larry

Pacersalltheway10
05-07-2011, 11:24 PM
Why not look to trade Josh McRoberts straightup for a 1st round pick this year (IF we cant get mayo for him). We keep our 15 pick and could take Markieef or Bismack if he falls to us then Reggie Jackson or Darius Morris. Plus the 2nd round pick. I think this draft is full of potential.

pacer4ever
05-07-2011, 11:30 PM
Why not look to trade Josh McRoberts straightup for a 1st round pick this year (IF we cant get mayo for him). We keep our 15 pick and could take Markieef or Bismack if he falls to us then Reggie Jackson or Darius Morris. Plus the 2nd round pick. I think this draft is full of potential.

Why would anyone trade a first for him when they can just sign him outright that would be dumb and no gm would do that. Bismack is going top 10 for sure I see the DET drafting him.

pwee31
05-07-2011, 11:38 PM
http://twitter.com/#!/chadfordinsider



BC's Reggie Jackson staying in draft. Good move. I think his range is 9-19. Bobcats, Suns, Pacers, Knicks all looking

pacer4ever
05-07-2011, 11:40 PM
http://twitter.com/#!/chadfordinsider

if he drops I will be so happy. He would be a perfect fit.

ilive4sports
05-08-2011, 01:28 AM
Agreed. I like Leonard or Honeycutt. None of the "bigs" in this draft interest me.

I want Honeycutt just because that is one of the best names I have ever heard.

xBulletproof
05-08-2011, 02:31 AM
I want Honeycutt just because that is one of the best names I have ever heard.

It would be better if one of those t's was an n. Ill leave it up to the reader to figure out which one.

dgranger17
05-08-2011, 10:59 AM
Why would anyone trade a first for him when they can just sign him outright that would be dumb and no gm would do that. Bismack is going top 10 for sure I see the DET drafting him.

Come on now... you and I both know not to question another GM's intelligence. There are some stupid ****ers out there

shags
05-08-2011, 04:25 PM
Why would anyone trade a first for him when they can just sign him outright that would be dumb and no gm would do that. Bismack is going top 10 for sure I see the DET drafting him.

Well, that and the fact that McRoberts can't be traded to any team now.

pacer4ever
05-08-2011, 04:28 PM
Well, that and the fact that McRoberts can't be traded to any team now.

it would be a S&T but no bodody in their right mind would do a S&T with a guy who isnt likley to get more than the MLE. So a S&T isnt needed.

Slick Pinkham
05-08-2011, 04:53 PM
a rotoworld mock from a couple of weeks back has Jimmer falling to us:

http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nba/37820/47/nba-mock-draft-20

I'd like Shelvin Mack in round 2, if he slides there.

Swish
05-09-2011, 10:20 AM
Ford updated his mock over the weekend. Now he has us taking Markieff Morris. Not sure at any other changes; haven't compared.

http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/3284/insiderespngocom2011050.png

PR07
05-09-2011, 11:03 AM
I'd rather have this Morris, than the other. He actually fills a need.

BringJackBack
05-09-2011, 03:28 PM
I would be very happy if we came out of the draft with either of the big point guards (Darius or Reggie) or Markieff.

I know that Alec Burks and Kawhi Leonard are stretches for us, but I'd be very pleased with either of them as well.

Haywoode Workman
05-09-2011, 04:04 PM
i would love to get our next ugly star named reggie in this draft. paul george is too good looking to replace reggie miller.

IndyPacer
05-09-2011, 04:06 PM
Markieff makes a lot of sense for the Pacers if he's there and nobody unexpectedly falls to us. Seems he could play 4 and 5, which would really help out situation with backups in those spots. Faried still sounds good if he's the best player at 15. Most of the other guys I really liked have shot up the board into the top 10 and will be out of reach.

I wish I'd seen more of Reggie Jackson. I'm intrigued.

owl
05-10-2011, 09:33 AM
A very good write up on Darius Morris.

I can see the Pacers drafting a pg at 15. Morris, Jackson, or Jimmer are all possibilities.

http://www.nbadraft.net/darius-morris-pure-point-guard

ballism
05-10-2011, 09:38 AM
i would love to get our next ugly star named reggie in this draft. paul george is too good looking to replace reggie miller.

Indeed, a person named both Reggie and Jackson seems destined to be with Pacers.

The Sleeze
05-10-2011, 09:44 AM
I really like Darius Morris. He is an assist machine. In all of college basketball he was 5th in Assists Per Game(almost 7 per), and 4th in Total Assists. Not to mention he's the only one in the top 8 that played in a major conference.....and that major conference was the Defensive minded Big Ten.

http://www.ncaa.com/stats/basketball-men/d1/current/individual/140

I'm not saying I want Darius over anybody else, just really like his game and wouldn't be mad if he was the Pacers pick, especially if there are no quality bigs available.

Jared Sullinger
05-10-2011, 10:04 AM
Jackson looks quite nice. Great size and production, and the clips I've seen of him have showed some excellent passing and athleticism.

His stock (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Reggie-Jackson-6325/mock-draft-history/) is climbing a lot, though, from a 2012 second rounder to now going in the early '20s of the upcoming draft. It wouldn't surprise me if he ended up blowing right past us and into the lottery, a la Biyombo.