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Constellations
04-29-2011, 01:38 AM
I don't know if Admin's are in charge of putting these up or not, if so, I apologize. But were just chomping at the bit for topics right now...

Mavericks in 7.

CooperManning
04-29-2011, 02:53 AM
Not going to doubt the Lakers until they give me a reason to.

Richard_Skull
04-29-2011, 03:07 AM
The first time we get to see Dirk vs Kobe in Playoffs.

I hope Mavs in 6.

AesopRockOn
04-29-2011, 05:06 AM
Dallas looks way too shaky. I see a big series for Lamar. I think we're destined for a Lakers-Thunder rematch to go to the Finals. Lakers in 6.

Doddage
04-29-2011, 05:12 AM
Lakers in 7. If NO forced 6 games out of LA, they're going to have a tougher time against Dallas (at least in theory).

Unclebuck
04-29-2011, 09:01 AM
I think Dallas will play them well, the games will be extremely competive, but the Lakers are too good, Lakers in 7 games.

Major Cold
04-29-2011, 10:25 AM
Lakers in 7. You need an in your face perimeter defender, banging bigs and a quick penetrating PG to challenge the Lakers. The Mavs simply do not have those. They might have the bigs, but not the others.

I will say Lakers in 6

15th parallel
04-29-2011, 10:28 AM
Lakers in 6. The only team that I consider a threat to the Lakers are the Thunder. But if Chandler can slow Pau down, that'll be big for the Mavs.

Shade
04-29-2011, 12:21 PM
I expect it to be a tease with the Lakers winning in the end like they always do.

Lakers in 7.

Sollozzo
04-29-2011, 12:32 PM
Lakers in 7. Grueling series with the Lakers ultimately prevailing in game 7 at home.

Hicks
04-29-2011, 12:37 PM
Lakers in 6.

Trader Joe
04-29-2011, 01:38 PM
I'm just not sure I buy that Dallas can really push LA.

Lakers in 5.

Hoop
04-29-2011, 06:16 PM
Lakers in 6, but I'll be rooting for the Mavs.

edc
04-29-2011, 07:37 PM
I think the mavericks will win the series.

They have a player who can make bryant have a poor field goal percentage every game.

They have two center who can neutralize bynum.

If pau will guard dirk then the rebouding advantage is not all lakers.

First time between dirk vs bryant in a playoff.

By the way is this the first time as head coach that rick carlisle will face phil jackson in a playoffs?

Sollozzo
04-29-2011, 08:26 PM
What's amazing is that the Lakers and Mavericks have been perennial contenders in the West for a decade now and have NEVER met in the playoffs. Pretty remarkable when you think about it. Crazy that Kobe and Dirk have played on these teams for so long and yet have never met in the postseason.

shags
04-29-2011, 08:51 PM
What's amazing is that the Lakers and Mavericks have been perennial contenders in the West for a decade now and have NEVER met in the playoffs. Pretty remarkable when you think about it. Crazy that Kobe and Dirk have played on these teams for so long and yet have never met in the postseason.

That is amazing.

I'm going Lakers in 6 in this one.

Sollozzo
04-30-2011, 02:48 PM
I think I am switching from 7 to 6 now. Bynum was a beast against NO and I don't see that changing against Dallas. If Bynum is playing solid then the Lakers are practically unbeatable in a series.

Lakers have closed some big series out on the road in game 6 during their runs the past couple of years. Won game 6 in Denver a couple of years ago, game 6 in Phoenix last year, game 6 in NO this year. I think they'll add game 6 in Dallas to that list.

Kstat
04-30-2011, 02:52 PM
God help me, I'm actually picking the Mavs in 6.

Don't ask me why, this Dallas team just seems built to beat the lakers.

Sollozzo
04-30-2011, 03:04 PM
God help me, I'm actually picking the Mavs in 6.

Don't ask me why, this Dallas team just seems built to beat the lakers.



How so? The Lakers won the season series 2 games to 1. I usually don't put a ton of weight into regular season, but the Lakers curbstomped them in April and won in Dallas in March. Dallas beat them in January.

I don't think Dallas matches up well at all against a Bynum/Gasol front court that is playing well. I know Dirk will cause plenty of fits but Dirk is always Dirk.

The teams that give the Lakers the most fits are teams with stellar quick point guards, something Kidd no longer is. The Westbrooks, Rondos and Chris Pauls are what you need in a series to beat the Lakers. They abuse Fisher and if you're forced to put Kobe on them then it makes him tired and effects his offensive game. That's why I think OKC has another great chance to beat them assuming they meet up in the WCF's.

Like I said earlier, it's amazing that Dallas and LA have never played in the playoffs. For that reason alone, I'm excited about this series. About time that Kobe and Dirk, two all time greats who have spent their entire careers in the same place, meet up in a series.

D-BONE
04-30-2011, 06:57 PM
I want the Mavs. My head tells me Lakers in 6. Here's my beef. Although the Mavs seem somewhat better equipped for a grinding playoff series than in the last couple years, when I compare each teams' top guns, I say Kobe and Gasol have done it and FINISHED in the playoffs. Dirk, as much as I love they guy, has not, including in the championship loss to Miami.

And I don't think Dallas has a clear cut #2 at the level of Gasol. Assuming he shows up, I just don't think Dallas will quite have enough.

Unclebuck
05-01-2011, 07:15 AM
The best time to beat the lakers is early in the series, it isamazing how they get better as the series goes along, The Bulls (90's )were the same way

rexnom
05-01-2011, 11:38 AM
The best time to beat the lakers is early in the series, it isamazing how they get better as the series goes along, The Bulls (90's )were the same way
The 2010 Thunder disagree with you.

Sollozzo
05-01-2011, 11:41 AM
The 2010 Thunder disagree with you.



Good point.


The best way to beat the Lakers is to have a great, quick PG ala CP3/Rondo/Westbrook. Those are the teams that give them the most trouble.

Scot Pollard
05-01-2011, 01:14 PM
Please no to the Lakers.

I'm ridiculously bored with them and the Celtics everyone damn June so end it here please.

KingGeorge
05-01-2011, 07:00 PM
Lakers in 6.

mattie
05-01-2011, 07:10 PM
I think the Mavs will get meet pretty handily... I mean look at their roster, they suck. They really are a poor team that wins a lot of games only because they have Dirk. Sure Dirk will probably explode in the 4th in one of the games and they'll steal one... but I say Lakers in 5.

vnzla81
05-02-2011, 10:42 PM
Barkley is funny :laugh: Dallas has a closer and a crazy guy on Stevenson :laugh:

ECKrueger
05-02-2011, 11:38 PM
God help me, I'm actually picking the Mavs in 6.

Don't ask me why, this Dallas team just seems built to beat the lakers.


How so? The Lakers won the season series 2 games to 1. I usually don't put a ton of weight into regular season, but the Lakers curbstomped them in April and won in Dallas in March. Dallas beat them in January.

I don't think Dallas matches up well at all against a Bynum/Gasol front court that is playing well. I know Dirk will cause plenty of fits but Dirk is always Dirk.

The teams that give the Lakers the most fits are teams with stellar quick point guards, something Kidd no longer is. The Westbrooks, Rondos and Chris Pauls are what you need in a series to beat the Lakers. They abuse Fisher and if you're forced to put Kobe on them then it makes him tired and effects his offensive game. That's why I think OKC has another great chance to beat them assuming they meet up in the WCF's.

Like I said earlier, it's amazing that Dallas and LA have never played in the playoffs. For that reason alone, I'm excited about this series. About time that Kobe and Dirk, two all time greats who have spent their entire careers in the same place, meet up in a series.

:confused:

Ransom
05-03-2011, 12:46 AM
Tougher to guard: Dirk fade away or Kareem Skyhook?

Constellations
05-03-2011, 01:12 AM
Let's go MAVS!

Constellations
05-03-2011, 01:13 AM
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Pingu
05-03-2011, 01:14 AM
That was definitely a foul by Kidd on Kobe.

Hicks
05-03-2011, 01:18 AM
I completely disagree. He flopped.

Pingu
05-03-2011, 01:21 AM
Kidd had both hands on Kobe's hips, trying to slow him down. It's not what made Kobe stumble, but I think that it should have been called.

Day-V
05-03-2011, 01:23 AM
I'll say no foul.

Kuq_e_Zi91
05-03-2011, 01:23 AM
Let's not let the no-call overshadow how small Gasol was down the stretch. First the foul, then the turnover.

Honest question: Would you rather have Pau or Marc? This was a no-brainer just a year ago, but I think you have to seriously consider it given how strong Marc's play has been these playoffs.

Constellations
05-03-2011, 01:32 AM
Let's not let the no-call overshadow how small Gasol was down the stretch. First the foul, then the turnover.

Honest question: Would you rather have Pau or Marc? This was a no-brainer just a year ago, but I think you have to seriously consider it given how strong Marc's play has been these playoffs.

Marc. Thicker the beard, thicker the stats.

Judging by some of these posts, I'm guessing there are some people here who aren't Laker haters such as myself lol.

kester99
05-03-2011, 01:34 AM
What a fun game. This series and the Memphis-OKC series are going to be epic.

Heck, all the remaining series are going to be fun.

Really good post-season.

Constellations
05-05-2011, 12:15 AM
Mavs up 2 with 7:40 in the 3rd.

Constellations
05-05-2011, 12:20 AM
Mavs can't buy a 3...

Constellations
05-05-2011, 12:21 AM
Dirk for 3, Swish!

Constellations
05-05-2011, 12:24 AM
21 points on 8-12 shooting for Dirk. He's going off.

vnzla81
05-05-2011, 12:24 AM
I wonder what kind of moves Bynum got from Kareem because I don't see anything other than dunking a getting easy layups :confused:

Constellations
05-05-2011, 12:28 AM
Kidd is 1-5 from 3 pt range. ouch.

KingGeorge
05-05-2011, 12:29 AM
I love watching Tyson Chandler. He is defensive minded and sticks to the fundamentals. I would like to see him be more aggressive on the offensive side though. I have noticed he isn't in very good positions for the most part.

ECKrueger
05-05-2011, 12:29 AM
Guys ... I think Dirk could be player X for us.

Constellations
05-05-2011, 12:32 AM
Mavs up 6 after 3 Qrts.

Constellations
05-05-2011, 12:33 AM
Guys ... I think Dirk could be player X for us.

Dirk is player X for everyone team.

Constellations
05-05-2011, 12:36 AM
Nice putback from Haywood.

Constellations
05-05-2011, 12:37 AM
J. terry from 3! Swish.

ECKrueger
05-05-2011, 12:38 AM
Dirk is player X for everyone team.

Ya I know. Just dreaming.

vnzla81
05-05-2011, 12:38 AM
Varea is a nice backup if you ask me.

ECKrueger
05-05-2011, 12:39 AM
He is a crafty little guy.

Constellations
05-05-2011, 12:39 AM
I've always liked JJ.

Constellations
05-05-2011, 12:41 AM
Dallas is just so active right now. On both ends.

KingGeorge
05-05-2011, 12:42 AM
Lakers are sluggish tonight. It looks like the Mavs want it more.

ECKrueger
05-05-2011, 12:44 AM
I wonder if the Mavs are just more motivated. Lakers have been there before.

Constellations
05-05-2011, 12:46 AM
Mavs would be scary with a healthy Butler.

Constellations
05-05-2011, 12:46 AM
JJ has been the X factor of this game for sure.

The Lakers are 0-14 from 3 tonight LOL.

Kstat
05-05-2011, 12:47 AM
This reminds me of last year's suns/spurs series.

You guys laughed at me when I took the suns in that one too... :tongue:

vnzla81
05-05-2011, 12:49 AM
Ad JJ to one of those guys I want, what a nice backup they have.

ECKrueger
05-05-2011, 12:50 AM
Sweep, please.

Constellations
05-05-2011, 12:51 AM
J. Kidd from 3! Swish.

Mavs up 15 with 4 mins left.

ECKrueger
05-05-2011, 12:52 AM
There ya go Kidd, off the Barea penetration. JJ is killing them.


Wow he does it again as I type. Game over.

KingGeorge
05-05-2011, 12:55 AM
If you are 0-15 from the 3-point line,you should probably stop shooting them.

Maybe that is why you are down double-digits. Just a thought.

Constellations
05-05-2011, 12:56 AM
Dirk is seriously making Kobe look like a joke.

And 1 from Dirk! pwnage.

vnzla81
05-05-2011, 12:56 AM
What a shot, wow

pacerwaala
05-05-2011, 12:56 AM
This reminds me of last year's suns/spurs series.

You guys laughed at me when I took the suns in that one too... :tongue:

Regardless of what finally happens in the series, picking the Mavs was a good call Kstat

Sollozzo
05-05-2011, 01:01 AM
2006 Finals re-match?

Constellations
05-05-2011, 01:01 AM
Honestly, Barea deserves as much glory for this win as Dirk.

Kstat
05-05-2011, 01:02 AM
How so? The Lakers won the season series 2 games to 1. I usually don't put a ton of weight into regular season, but the Lakers curbstomped them in April and won in Dallas in March. Dallas beat them in January.

I don't think Dallas matches up well at all against a Bynum/Gasol front court that is playing well. I know Dirk will cause plenty of fits but Dirk is always Dirk.

The teams that give the Lakers the most fits are teams with stellar quick point guards, something Kidd no longer is. The Westbrooks, Rondos and Chris Pauls are what you need in a series to beat the Lakers. They abuse Fisher and if you're forced to put Kobe on them then it makes him tired and effects his offensive game. That's why I think OKC has another great chance to beat them assuming they meet up in the WCF's.

Like I said earlier, it's amazing that Dallas and LA have never played in the playoffs. For that reason alone, I'm excited about this series. About time that Kobe and Dirk, two all time greats who have spent their entire careers in the same place, meet up in a series.

After 2 games, I think I can put better into words why I took the Mavs.

While you're correct that LA's weakness is speedy point guards, which Jason Kidd no longer is, you neglect to mention two things. First, the reverse is also true for Jason Kidd, who does not have to deal with a speedy guard on defense, and has plenty of strength to battle LA's bigger guards. Second, JJ Barea IS a quick speedy guard, and capable of exposing LA in a secondary role.

Lastly, Dallas has the best bench in the NBA, and LA has the weakest. Odom, Brown, Barnes and Blake is no match for Stojakovic, Terry, Barea and Haywood. That's one superb 6th man and three guys who were quality starters in their primes, against one outstanding 6th man and three cast-offs.

Also, LA clearly has zero answer for Dirk. He's too big for Odom, and too quick for Gasol. As long as Dirk and Kobe are canceling each other out, Dallas's 2-9 guys will outplay LA's 2-9 guys %90 of the time.

Regular season really means nothing. There are countless examples of this. Guys don't read scouting reports during the season. Guys don't play as hard during the season. You never get the true measure of how good a team really is until may and june.

Constellations
05-05-2011, 01:03 AM
After 2 games, I think I can put better into words why I took the Mavs.

While you're correct that LA's weakness is speedy point guards, which Jason Kidd no longer is, you neglect to mention two things. First, the reverse is also true for Jason Kidd, who does not have to deal with a speeds guard on defense, and has plenty of strength to battle LA's bigger guards. Second, JJ Barea IS a quick speedy guard, and capable of exposing LA in a secondary role.

Lastly, Dallas has the best bench in the NBA, and LA has the weakest. Odom, Brown, Barnes and Blake is no match for Stojakovic, Terry, Barea and Haywood. That's four guys who were all quality starters in their primes against one outstanding 6th man and a bunch of cast-offs.

Also, LA clearly has zero answer for Dirk. He's too big for Odom, and too quick for Gasol. As long as Dirk and Kobe are canceling each other out, Dallas's 2-9 guys will outplay LA's 2-9 guys %90 of the time.

Regular season really means nothing. There are countless examples of this. Guys don't read scouting reports during the season. Guys don't play as hard during the season. You never get the true measure of how good a team really is until may and june.

Saying L.A. has the weakest bench in the NBA is a ridiculous statement. Seriously.

Lakers: 1-17 from 3 pt range. 11-20 From the free throw line.

DemonHunter1105
05-05-2011, 01:05 AM
Wow what a dick move Artest.

Hicks
05-05-2011, 01:05 AM
There's the Ron Artest I remember.

Kstat
05-05-2011, 01:06 AM
Saying L.A. has the weakest bench in the NBA is a ridiculous statement. Seriously.

Outside of Odom, what exactly do they have? Even Miami has two guys that can put up points in Jones and Miller. LA has the 6th man of the year and the rest are guys who just aren't very good.

Constellations
05-05-2011, 01:07 AM
Dallas up 2-0 the defending champions, oh soo sweet.

Hicks
05-05-2011, 01:07 AM
I'm happy for Dallas. Specifically Rick Carlisle.

Hicks
05-05-2011, 01:08 AM
Historically, has any team recovered from an 0-2 start where the first two games were at home?

Kstat
05-05-2011, 01:08 AM
Historically, has any team recovered from an 0-2 start where the first two games were at home?

It's happened 4 times, as I recall

1969 Lakers vs the Warriors
1993 Suns vs the Lakers
1994 Rockets vs the Suns
2005 Mavs vs Rockets

Hoop
05-05-2011, 01:09 AM
Artest proving he's still a pr*ck. Citizenship award my freaking @ss.

vnzla81
05-05-2011, 01:10 AM
Outside of Odom, what exactly do they have? Even Miami has two guys that can put up points in Jones and Miller. LA has the 6th man of the year and the rest are guys who just aren't very good.

I don't think they are that bad, I just think they don't match the system.

ECKrueger
05-05-2011, 01:10 AM
You stay classy Ron.

Constellations
05-05-2011, 01:10 AM
Outside of Odom, what exactly do they have? Even Miami has two guys that can put up points in Jones and Miller. LA has the 6th man of the year and the rest are guys who just aren't very good.

Meh, I can't bring myself to say Shannon Brown isn't good. As much as I don't like him, he is a good player.

Kstat
05-05-2011, 01:14 AM
Meh, I can't bring myself to say Shannon Brown isn't good. As much as I don't like him, he is a good player.

The entire league had a chance to sign him away from the Lakers last year. No GM even gave him an offer.

vnzla81
05-05-2011, 01:16 AM
I agree with Charles, Artest is going to get suspended for that.

Hicks
05-05-2011, 01:20 AM
The entire league had a chance to sign him away from the Lakers last year. No GM even gave him an offer.

Well.... Larry Bird tried to.

Hoop
05-05-2011, 01:26 AM
I agree with Charles, Artest is going to get suspended for that.
I sure hope he does, he would if he was in a Pacer uniform.

Stern better treat him a harsher than just any old player, Artest has history of that kinda stuff, least that was the excuse Stern gave us. Will he do it to his darling Lakers.

TMJ31
05-05-2011, 01:27 AM
I am happy for Rick.

I really hope they pull off a sweep, HOW awesome would that be?!?!

Typically I don't have any other "favorite" teams aside from the Pacers, I am a 'one-team' kinda guy. But if I had to choose a team I would want to win it all after the Pacers were eliminated, it would be Dallas. They are fun to watch, and have been good for a long time and deserve a shot at a title. Rick is a stand up guy and it's hard not to root for Dirk.

Kstat
05-05-2011, 01:28 AM
Ron hit Barea so hard, I think they might suspend granger for the next 10 games.

Kstat
05-05-2011, 01:30 AM
BTW, echoing the sentiment for Rick, I obviously really like the guy as well. He's an outstanding coach and I'll always appreciate what he did here. I think it would be great to see him get to the finals.

I think this is Rick's dream team. All veterans, all shooters, and all guys willing to play hard.

Pingu
05-05-2011, 01:30 AM
You stay classy Ron.

Ron Burgundy?

ECKrueger
05-05-2011, 01:32 AM
Ron Burgundy?

Who else would I be talking about?

CableKC
05-05-2011, 01:36 AM
Ron hit Barea so hard, I think they might suspend granger for the next 10 games.
Tx....you got a good chuckle out of that from me.:laugh:

Constellations
05-05-2011, 01:38 AM
Los Angeles
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34-83 FG 41%
2-20 3PT 10%
11-20 FT 55%

Dallas
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34-81 FG 42%
8-25 3PT 32%
17-21 FT 81%

Kstat
05-05-2011, 01:38 AM
It would be great theatre for Indiana to sign Ron Artest to a 1-day contract at the end of his career...and then suspend him.

CableKC
05-05-2011, 01:39 AM
There was a good stretch there where the Lakers looked absolutely clueless on what to do against Barea.

vnzla81
05-05-2011, 01:40 AM
I'm happy for Dallas. Specifically Rick Carlisle.

I'm happy for myself :D

Kstat
05-05-2011, 01:40 AM
There was a good stretch there where the Lakers looked absolutely clueless on what to do against Barea.


They were getting killed any which way they wanted. They had to make Barea beat them because Dirk and Marion were beating them senseless.

No matter what LA did defensively, someone on Dallas was going to have an advantage. They were prepared for everything.

CableKC
05-05-2011, 01:41 AM
Los Angeles
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34-83 FG 41%
2-20 3PT 10%
11-20 FT 55%

Dallas
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34-81 FG 42%
8-25 3PT 32%
17-21 FT 81%
This stands out the most...2 for 20 from behind the Arc....with Kobe and Artest being the only ones that hit a 3pt shot at the end of the 4th QTR when it didn't matter....ouch.

Kstat
05-05-2011, 01:43 AM
the Lakers aren't even really a 3-point shooting team. They have a lot of streak shooters but no reliable sniper that you can't ever leave open.

CableKC
05-05-2011, 01:43 AM
They were getting killed any which way they wanted. They had to make Barea beat them because Dirk and Marion were beating them senseless.
You know it's bad for the Lakers when a Player like Barea puts the final nail on the coffin of that game.

DemonHunter1105
05-05-2011, 01:44 AM
It would be great theatre for Indiana to sign Ron Artest to a 1-day contract at the end of his career...and then suspend him.

A 1 day contract where he plays for free...he does that right?

vnzla81
05-05-2011, 01:46 AM
the Lakers aren't even really a 3-point shooting team. They have a lot of streak shooters but no reliable sniper that you can't ever leave open.

Yep they are missing Sasha.

clownskull
05-05-2011, 02:13 AM
ok, i missed the game. i tried looking for what artest did. so far, i found nothing.
i can't help but think like others apparently do that if artest did this as a pacer, it would already be spoken of in the press and all that. what did he do?

King Tuts Tomb
05-05-2011, 03:00 AM
Yep they are missing Sasha.

Farmar more I'd say.

Pacemaker
05-05-2011, 03:34 AM
Honestly, Barea deserves as much glory for this win as Dirk.

Barea was the dagger !

Pacemaker
05-05-2011, 03:35 AM
Ad JJ to one of those guys I want, what a nice backup they have.

Barea is a consistent spark off the bench and a tremendous PnR player!

Cactus Jax
05-05-2011, 03:53 AM
Well if Dallas blows this series is there any doubt that they blow up the team, I mean seriously you can't ride the team forever if they blow opportunities.

That being said it's gonna be real hard for the Lakers to come back, but just a thought if maybe a Dirk ever were to become available.

Isaac
05-05-2011, 03:55 AM
Phil Jackson should have known better than to have Ron on the floor at the end of a game that was already decided. He is an emotional player who gets upset and when the game is out of hand, his energy channels into aggression. He immediately felt bad after he did it.

Constellations
05-05-2011, 04:25 AM
Well if Dallas blows this series is there any doubt that they blow up the team, I mean seriously you can't ride the team forever if they blow opportunities.

That being said it's gonna be real hard for the Lakers to come back, but just a thought if maybe a Dirk ever were to become available.

Omg, I got cold chills when I read this, wouldn't probably happen, but that thought alone just made me feel it. I can even comprehend the feeling I would get if Dirk came here. Alright enough, it's not going to happen...

bellisimo
05-05-2011, 04:43 AM
ok, i missed the game. i tried looking for what artest did. so far, i found nothing.
i can't help but think like others apparently do that if artest did this as a pacer, it would already be spoken of in the press and all that. what did he do?

http://i54.tinypic.com/2z6h1k3.gif

Constellations
05-05-2011, 04:44 AM
http://i54.tinypic.com/2z6h1k3.gif

Odom totally got the worst end of the foul.

bellisimo
05-05-2011, 04:56 AM
here is the video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJ8rj1lLYRo

Richard_Skull
05-05-2011, 05:03 AM
2006 Finals re-match?

I know I haven't said anything here on the forums, but my pre-playoffs (after reg. but before game 1) was Dallas-Miami finals. I'm so happy Dallas is up 2-0 now.

Unclebuck
05-05-2011, 08:06 AM
Did not watch the game last night, was just too late. So maybe I don't have the proper context for the Artest foul. But I do know the outcome was decided, the foul was not in the heat of the moment - It was a really bad foul. If I were in charge I'd suspend him for 2 games, and maybe I could be persuaded to suspend him for 3. But going by the letter of the league rules, he'll probably get 1 game.

I'm done makiing predictions, except to say this series is not over and if the Mavs for 1 second think they are in great shape or relax for 1 second, they will lose this series. In fact game #3 is the game.

I'm happy for Rick also.

Berea was so good on the pick and rolls because Dirk was setting the scrreen

ilive4sports
05-05-2011, 03:39 PM
Did not watch the game last night, was just too late. So maybe I don't have the proper context for the Artest foul. But I do know the outcome was decided, the foul was not in the heat of the moment - It was a really bad foul. If I were in charge I'd suspend him for 2 games, and maybe I could be persuaded to suspend him for 3. But going by the letter of the league rules, he'll probably get 1 game.

I'm done makiing predictions, except to say this series is not over and if the Mavs for 1 second think they are in great shape or relax for 1 second, they will lose this series. In fact game #3 is the game.

I'm happy for Rick also.

Berea was so good on the pick and rolls because Dirk was setting the scrreen

If this was another player I would see it being a one game suspension. But this is Ron Artest. I think it has to be a 2 game suspension at minimum.

I've liked Dallas all year long. I think having Carlisle there and adding Chandler has really changed that team. I did have LA winning this series, but I'm not too surprised Dallas is playing so well.

And Dallas being up 2-0 isn't why I am thinking they will take this series. Its because the Lakers just look so lost against them. Kerr kept saying how Blake was in the game because he is a good defender, and he was just getting burned the whole time. The Lakers haven't shown me anything that they will be able to stop Dallas.

Hoop
05-05-2011, 04:07 PM
Artest suspended for game 3 :dance:

http://www.nba.com/2011/playoffs/2011/westseries6/05/05/artest.suspended/index.html


Lakers' Ron Artest suspended one game

By Official release
Posted May 5 2011 3:57PM
NEW YORK -- Ron Artest of the Los Angeles Lakers has been suspended one game without pay for swinging his arm and striking the face of the Dallas Mavericks' J.J. Barea, it was announced today by Stu Jackson, NBA Executive Vice President, Basketball Operations. Artest's contact has also been classified by the NBA as a Flagrant Foul Two.
The incident occurred with 24.4 seconds remaining in the fourth quarter of the Mavericks' 93-81 victory over the Lakers at Staples Center on May 4. Artest will serve his suspension tomorrow when the Lakers visit the Mavericks at American Airlines Center for Game 3 of the Western Conference Semifinals.

MagicRat
05-05-2011, 04:12 PM
http://home.comcast.net/%7Emagic_rat/images/ronbomb_17.jpg

Dece
05-05-2011, 04:17 PM
I don't even think it was worth a suspension and he got that game on name recognition alone. Still, I'm not sure it matters either way, Mavs certainly seem to have control of this series regardless.

ilive4sports
05-05-2011, 05:14 PM
I don't even think it was worth a suspension and he got that game on name recognition alone. Still, I'm not sure it matters either way, Mavs certainly seem to have control of this series regardless.

So on a dead ball you think it is ok for a player to just go and club another player in the head?

Dece
05-05-2011, 05:29 PM
If that's what you saw there, you pretty clearly weren't watching the play. Barea was juking away from the foul Odom was going to give him, Artest thought a foul wouldn't be called, reached out to also give a foul and accidentally got him on the head. It's not like it was even that hard a blow, he held him up, there was no blood, I've seen 1000 harder fouls. He took the tech, as he should, it was stupid, but it wasn't malicious.

ilive4sports
05-05-2011, 06:33 PM
If that's what you saw there, you pretty clearly weren't watching the play. Barea was juking away from the foul Odom was going to give him, Artest thought a foul wouldn't be called, reached out to also give a foul and accidentally got him on the head. It's not like it was even that hard a blow, he held him up, there was no blood, I've seen 1000 harder fouls. He took the tech, as he should, it was stupid, but it wasn't malicious.

He went after Barea's head. You do not go head hunting in the NBA. It certainly was malicious. Artest knew what he was doing. Look at the .gif a few posts up. Barea was trying to get around Odom. Artest decided to be a jackass and hit him in the head. He could have hit him somewhere in the body for the foul. But he didn't. He went at Barea's head. Artest just shoved Marion out of bounds not long before that play too.

There is absolutely no excuse going for a players head like that. Just because there was no blood doesn't make it ok. It was like a punch to the face. You throw a punch in the NBA, you are getting suspended.

ECKrueger
05-05-2011, 06:53 PM
http://home.comcast.net/%7Emagic_rat/images/ronbomb_17.jpg

awesome!

Anyway, this is without a doubt suspension worthy.

ThA HoyA
05-05-2011, 07:25 PM
The hit on Marion the play before was also bad.... I guess it's from seeing him play so much but I could read his body language in that 4 quarter and I was waiting for something like that to happen. You could tell he was really frustrated and channeled it the way he usually does. Also he hit JJ well after the foul was called wasn't a play where he was already on the way.

CableKC
05-05-2011, 07:34 PM
So on a dead ball you think it is ok for a player to just go and club another player in the head while kneeing your teammate in the groin in the process?
Fixed.

ECKrueger
05-06-2011, 09:52 PM
Hope Dallas wins tonight, but I think LA will finally get one.

pwee31
05-06-2011, 10:13 PM
The Mavericks have a pretty good veteran ball club.

vnzla81
05-06-2011, 10:15 PM
The Mavericks bench is the best bench in the whole NBA.

vnzla81
05-06-2011, 10:23 PM
Brown is fast but JJ is way faster.

pwee31
05-06-2011, 10:35 PM
Any interest in Barea?

Pingu
05-06-2011, 10:37 PM
The tall German dude is the game is pretty good.

vnzla81
05-06-2011, 10:46 PM
Any interest in Barea?

I hope so, that guy has more floor vision than our two point guards together.

daschysta
05-06-2011, 10:51 PM
HA. People need to learn their lesson about evaluating pg's vs. the LA lakers. People were clamoring for Dragic after that series last year as well, and he's shown his true colors against 81 other teams.

Barea's decent but he's older and isn't as good as collison is now. And collison is going to get even better.

Collison would be getting into the lane with even more ease than Barea is now. the lakers are garbage at defending other point guards, they have been for years.

imawhat
05-06-2011, 10:53 PM
Man there are '97-'00 Pacers all over the place. Mark Jackson is announcing, Jalen and Chris Mullin on the halftime show, Reggie's probably chillin' somewhere.

ECKrueger
05-06-2011, 10:59 PM
HA. People need to learn their lesson about evaluating pg's vs. the LA lakers. People were clamoring for Dragic after that series last year as well, and he's shown his true colors against 81 other teams.

Barea's decent but he's older and isn't as good as collison is now. And collison is going to get even better.

Collison would be getting into the lane with even more ease than Barea is now. the lakers are garbage at defending other point guards, they have been for years.

Damn when did the league expand?!

daschysta
05-06-2011, 11:00 PM
Damn when did the league expand?!

Haha. Yeah I meant other 29 teams. Been a long day.

ECKrueger
05-06-2011, 11:15 PM
Haha. Yeah I meant other 29 teams. Been a long day.

Ha, ya I knew what you meant ;)

vnzla81
05-06-2011, 11:24 PM
HA. People need to learn their lesson about evaluating pg's vs. the LA lakers. People were clamoring for Dragic after that series last year as well, and he's shown his true colors against 81 other teams.

Barea's decent but he's older and isn't as good as collison is now. And collison is going to get even better.

Collison would be getting into the lane with even more ease than Barea is now. the lakers are garbage at defending other point guards, they have been for years.

I am not evaluating JJ because of this series, I watched the guy all year long againts the other 81 teams ;) and he is a pretty good point guard, he is a nice back up, nobody is saying that he could be the starter.

daschysta
05-06-2011, 11:37 PM
Agreed then. He'd be a big upgrade over price for sure.

pacer4ever
05-06-2011, 11:49 PM
I hope so, that guy has more floor vision than our two point guards together.

Dallas will resign him(if he is even a FA). He is a decent backup and a good change of pace guard to kidd.

ilive4sports
05-07-2011, 12:04 AM
"Peja with the big defensive play there"

Never thought I would hear that.

vnzla81
05-07-2011, 12:06 AM
Good game, lets go Mavs!! :D

vnzla81
05-07-2011, 12:09 AM
This is the end of the Lakers, I don't know how they are going to retool next year.

ilive4sports
05-07-2011, 12:14 AM
This is the end of the Lakers, I don't know how they are going to retool next year.

They need to get Dwight Howard.

Dallas is playing really well. I will be surprised if LA wins the next game.

CableKC
05-07-2011, 12:15 AM
I am not evaluating JJ because of this series, I watched the guy all year long againts the other 81 teams ;) and he is a pretty good point guard, he is a nice back up, nobody is saying that he could be the starter.
You have no concern about his height?

I don't doubt his ability to score, but i don't want to have 2 PGs that are 6'0 tall.

AesopRockOn
05-07-2011, 12:17 AM
Nice to you if you're a Lakers fan, if you don't win the Finals, you're back up plan is just acquire Dwight Howard. :(

BringJackBack
05-07-2011, 12:19 AM
End of an era. Thank God.

Hicks
05-07-2011, 12:20 AM
<iframe width="480" height="390" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/CsxfMZLKsgw" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Mr_Smith
05-07-2011, 12:22 AM
Dirk is a pretty damn good player and Rick Carlisle is a pretty damn good coach....didn't he used to....nevermind

vnzla81
05-07-2011, 12:22 AM
You have no concern about his height?

I don't doubt his ability to score, but i don't want to have 2 PGs that are 6'0 tall.

If I am going to have two 6'0 tall point guards I would like to at least have one that can pass the ball and JJ can do that.

pacerwaala
05-07-2011, 12:23 AM
I like Mark Jackson the player but he is a bad color commentator. For him to be on ABC's main broadcast team, is a travesty.

Doddage
05-07-2011, 12:25 AM
Obviously 0-3 is pretty much impossible to get over, but I have to think if any team can do it, it's the Lakers. That combined with the realistic possibility of the Mavs choking, you never know.

I don't count on it though.

vnzla81
05-07-2011, 12:27 AM
I like Mark Jackson the player but he is a bad color commentator. For him to be on ABC's main broadcast team, is a travesty.

You are crazy, he is probably the best, him and Vangundy are one of the best.

pwee31
05-07-2011, 12:27 AM
This is the end of the Lakers, I don't know how they are going to retool next year.

They'll likely pull off another lopsided at the time, type of trade.

2 1st round picks, Devin Ebanks and Shannon Brown for Chris Paul or something like that.

vnzla81
05-07-2011, 12:30 AM
I wonder if they are going to trade Paul Gasol :signit:

pwee31
05-07-2011, 12:36 AM
I wonder if they are going to trade Paul Gasol :signit:

Pau, and not likely. They'll move Artest... maybe Odom

ilive4sports
05-07-2011, 12:39 AM
You are crazy, he is probably the best, him and Vangundy are one of the best.

:puke:

I can't stand that crew. They aren't funny at all and seem more concerned with themselves rather than the game half the time.

Plus JVG looks like he hasn't slept in 5 years.

Shade
05-07-2011, 12:40 AM
Don't be surprised if the Lakers become the first team to come back from an 0-3 deficit and win the series in 7. The Lakers have a history of "flipping the switch," and the Mavs have a history of epic collapses. Almost feels like a perfect storm brewing.

ilive4sports
05-07-2011, 12:41 AM
Don't be surprised if the Lakers become the first team to come back from an 0-3 deficit and win the series in 7. The Lakers have a history of "flipping the switch," and the Mavs have a history of epic collapses. Almost feels like a perfect storm.

This doesn't seem like a Lakers team that can flip the switch.

vnzla81
05-07-2011, 12:43 AM
Don't be surprised if the Lakers become the first team to come back from an 0-3 deficit and win the series in 7. The Lakers have a history of "flipping the switch," and the Mavs have a history of epic collapses. Almost feels like a perfect storm brewing.

This Lakers team is done and this Mavericks team is different than the ones before.

vnzla81
05-07-2011, 12:45 AM
Pau, and not likely. They'll move Artest... maybe Odom

If Odom wants to move to another team I would welcome him with open arms, Odom and Blake? :signit:

imawhat
05-07-2011, 12:53 AM
Dallas might have the best passing team in the league. I love watching them pass.

BringJackBack
05-07-2011, 01:04 AM
Don't be surprised if the Lakers become the first team to come back from an 0-3 deficit and win the series in 7. The Lakers have a history of "flipping the switch," and the Mavs have a history of epic collapses. Almost feels like a perfect storm brewing.

I don't see it this year.

-Kobe has dropped from a top three player in this league down to 8-15.

-Last year, Ron Artest was a guy who was capable of averaging 15-18 PPG on a bad team and being a good scorer while playing with a lot of energy. This year, he's just a bad starter who plays off of everyone else.

-Derek Fisher is basically the PG version of James Posey nowadays. Of course he's a bit better, but he is a guy who cannot hit anything from inside the three point line and can't stay in front of his man.

-Pau Gasol was the best power forward in the league last year. It showed in the Finals; He was a pain in Boston's butt. This year he's still very good, but he's not a guy who is going to average 24, 11, on 55% shooting for a series.

-They do not have any ELITE shooters.

I just don't see how they can turn it on.

AesopRockOn
05-07-2011, 01:17 AM
Don't be surprised if the Lakers become the first team to come back from an 0-3 deficit and win the series in 7. The Lakers have a history of "flipping the switch," and the Mavs have a history of epic collapses. Almost feels like a perfect storm brewing.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_AJ0cCpjD8g8/TJti8SSMb3I/AAAAAAAAAwI/0BXr2w9Pmno/s1600/off+switch.jpg

focused444
05-07-2011, 01:38 AM
I only watched the 4th, but Mike Wilbon from pti tweeted this


Wow, never seen Phil (or any NBA Coach) so excited he popped a player, even lightly as Phil just did Pau Gasol. Lakers feeling the pressure!

http://twitter.com/#!/RealMikeWilbon/status/66688933429387265

Anyone know what incident he is talking about???

Tonight in the 4th I saw Bynum scream towards the bench to not take him out (which they didn't) after getting his 4th foul.

Then a few minutes later Odom made his displeasure with being taken out, which happens a lot in NBA I assume. What made it stand out was it appeared Phil went over and was trying to explain his rationale for taking him out. I can't recall Phil tolerating this type of stuff, anyone else? One foot in retirement already?

dal9
05-07-2011, 02:32 AM
They'll move Artest... maybe Odom

:signit: :signit:


tell odom to bring the kardashians...

tell ron to bring the crazy...

KingGeorge
05-07-2011, 03:04 AM
I only watched the 4th, but Mike Wilbon from pti tweeted this



http://twitter.com/#!/RealMikeWilbon/status/66688933429387265

Anyone know what incident he is talking about???



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8pV2v4wNJs

ilive4sports
05-07-2011, 03:07 AM
:signit: :signit:


tell odom to bring the kardashians...

tell ron to bring the crazy...

ewww Khole is fugly. Let's just get Chris Humphries so we get Kim;)

Kuq_e_Zi91
05-07-2011, 08:34 AM
I'm looking forward to Caron Butler returning next round.

Sollozzo
05-07-2011, 10:25 AM
Kobe and this team just look tired and worn out. Kobe has played in three straight Finals and also the Olympics three years ago. He has put so many miles on these last few years and I think it's all catching up with him. Think, he's played in over 70 playoff games over that span. Like Bring JackBack said, he looks like a top 8-15 player right now instead of the top 3 he's always been. You certainly can't call him a top player right now.

I guess it was kinda unrealistic to expect 4 straight Finals appearances out of a team. That just doesn't happen.

You gotta just respect the hell out of Dirk. He's been pounding it so hard for so long. Imagine what a championship would do to his legacy?

pacerwaala
05-07-2011, 10:54 AM
You are crazy, he is probably the best, him and Vangundy are one of the best.

I did not say anything about Van Gundy. He is pretty good and makes pretty good observations. I just don't like Mark Jackson's stuff on the broadcast not does he give any good insights.

Both of them might be going at each other with playful banter which is ok, nothing great.

pacerwaala
05-07-2011, 10:59 AM
Don't be surprised if the Lakers become the first team to come back from an 0-3 deficit and win the series in 7. The Lakers have a history of "flipping the switch," and the Mavs have a history of epic collapses. Almost feels like a perfect storm brewing.


Agree with that assesment. I would not count out any team with Kobe on it. He is a unique combination of will power and talent, just like Jordan.

The overtime game in the Pacers vs Lakers finals still gives me nightmares (his 20 foot jumpers and offensive rebounds after Shaq fouled out was sucked for us Pacer fans but was a great performance)

Peja made some contested 3point shots in that 4th quarter, actually this was a game that the Lakers lost.

Sollozzo
05-07-2011, 11:07 AM
Agree with that assesment. I would not count out any team with Kobe on it. He is a unique combination of will power and talent, just like Jordan.





I usually never count the Mamba out either, but he hasn't been Kobe this postseason. If there was any night to have some classic Kobe magic, it was last night. But he had virtually nothing.

Kobe is just not a top 3 player right now like we are used to him being.

imawhat
05-07-2011, 12:39 PM
I caught the second half of this game at a local bar. It was surreal because I've never seen Lakers fans react this way during a game. They acted like they expected to lose the game, even when they were up 7-8. Bizarre.

DemonHunter1105
05-07-2011, 12:52 PM
You are crazy, he is probably the best, him and Vangundy are one of the best.

I actually like the substance Vangundy gives when he gives it. I feel like he thinks outside the box, but usually gets too excited while doing it and says farfetched things. Mark Jackson says some funny/stupid things 95% of the time he opens his mouth. I hate it when they stop talking about the game and crack jokes at each other when good basketball is being played. If it is boring, I get it. Unfortunately, they do it way too much for my liking. Ultimately, they are both big characters and that is the reason they are still around in my opinion.

I think they could easily get better commentators.

ballism
05-07-2011, 01:44 PM
I wonder if they are going to trade Paul Gasol :signit:

Pau and Kobe for Tyler, Rush, Posey and cap relief! They only won 57 games and they can't stop the best PF in the game, got to blow it up!

spreedom
05-07-2011, 01:57 PM
I think Kevin McHale is about as good as it gets from a color perspective. The PBP guy just needs to feed him opportunities for insight and have as few opinions as possible.

pwee31
05-07-2011, 08:03 PM
Magic Johnson said earlier today that he thinks the Lakers should make trades.

He said guys on that team just aren't focused on winning championships anymore, and that the Lakers need to make some trades to surround Kobe with that hunger to win a title

Hicks
05-07-2011, 08:20 PM
Bynum (and more?) for Dwight Howard.

pwee31
05-07-2011, 08:29 PM
Bynum (and more?) for Dwight Howard.

It'll depend on the Magic and Howard.

Bynum looks like he could be a force, but has been pretty injury prone.

The Magic also don't want to lose Howard for nothing after next year if he wants out.

I expect the Lakers would want to include Artest, and the Magic a bad contract like Hedo or Arenas.

Not sure, it will depend on the Magic. I personally would ask for Bynum AND Gasol, but that's just me

Sollozzo
05-08-2011, 12:12 PM
If I were the Lakers, I wouldn't do anything too drastic. Personally, I think they would be insane to trade both Bynum and Gasol for Howard. That would just be ridiculous. No way they do that.

The team definitely has some holes in it, but I wouldn't blow it completely up. They have been to three straight NBA Finals and won the last two. They have played in 70+ playoff games over that time-span. It was sort of unrealistic to expect them to make the NBA Finals for a fourth straight time as that would have without a doubt been one of the most impressive achievements in the history of the modern NBA. That just doesn't happen.

Yeah Gasol has played pretty poor this postseason, but I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt as he played pretty damn good the past 3 and was a huge reason they were in the Finals all of those years.

Their main problem is that Kobe Bryant is aging and no trade can compensate for that. They needed Kobe to take over that game the other night and he didn't.

Shade
05-08-2011, 03:30 PM
My official prediction remains the Lakers in 7.

With that said, I hope Dallas sweeps the **** out of them today.

Pingu
05-08-2011, 04:13 PM
Holy crap. Treys raining on LA.

Kstat
05-08-2011, 04:14 PM
Peja and Jason Terry are putting on one of the greatest tag-team shooting exhibitions I have ever seen.

Of course, doesn't hurt that they are wide the **** open every play.

PacersFan1991
05-08-2011, 04:20 PM
This. Is. BEAUTIFUL.

I have hated the Lakers since I started watching NBA.

Shade
05-08-2011, 04:27 PM
It will now take an epic, historic, unprecedented collapse for Dallas to lose this series.

shags
05-08-2011, 04:28 PM
Bynum (and more?) for Dwight Howard.

Bynum, Odom, and a 1st round pick for Howard and Turkoglu. Who says no?

Shade
05-08-2011, 04:30 PM
Total ***-kicking.

Jared Sullinger
05-08-2011, 04:30 PM
This has turned into a nightmare for L.A. Wow...

Shade
05-08-2011, 04:32 PM
Bynum, Odom, and a 1st round pick for Howard and Turkoglu. Who says no?

I do.

Luck the Fakers.

Kstat
05-08-2011, 04:34 PM
Pau with the worst month of his life. First his fiancee dumps him, and after this series no woman will ever want to go out with him....

Slick Pinkham
05-08-2011, 04:41 PM
73% as a team from 3, 11 for 15.

This one is a rout.

One would normally expect the Lakers to be conservative with roster moves, but a sweep may add pressure to do otherwise, especially if Phil retires.

Shade
05-08-2011, 04:42 PM
The ABC studio team is absolutely speechless. :laugh:

Shade
05-08-2011, 04:42 PM
Mavs bench 40
Lakers 39

Shade
05-08-2011, 04:43 PM
Pau with the worst month of his life. First his fiancee dumps him, and after this series no woman will ever want to go out with him....

No other women will ever know how badly Pau plays today. They already jumped off the bandwagon after Game 3.

Shade
05-08-2011, 04:45 PM
If I'm Phil Jackson, I clear the bench in the second half. Nothing left to lose at this point.

mattie
05-08-2011, 04:46 PM
Like Simmons said, the Lakers have 4 of the 5 best players, and they're going to lose?? Absolutely insane.

Kstat
05-08-2011, 04:51 PM
Like Simmons said, the Lakers have 4 of the 5 best players, and they're going to lose?? Absolutely insane.

Dallas has 8 of the 12 best players.

Pingu
05-08-2011, 04:52 PM
Like Simmons said, the Lakers have 4 of the 5 best players, and they're going to lose?? Absolutely insane.

Huh? 4 of the 5 best players in the series? Who are they supposed to be?

mattie
05-08-2011, 05:00 PM
Huh? 4 of the 5 best players in the series? Who are they supposed to be?

Kobe Bynum Pau and Odom.

DaveP63
05-08-2011, 05:00 PM
There is something truly delicious about watching the Lakers get paddled.

Shade
05-08-2011, 05:05 PM
Hahahahaha Ron-Ron just got blocked by the rim! :lol:

Shade
05-08-2011, 05:06 PM
It's Jason Terry's world. We're all just living in it.

Pingu
05-08-2011, 05:09 PM
Kobe Bynum Pau and Odom.

Nowitzki being the fith player I assume? I guess that sounds about right after all.

Shade
05-08-2011, 05:09 PM
Why is Jackson still going with what's not working?

Nice coaching job, Dr. Phil.

mattie
05-08-2011, 05:11 PM
Nowitzki being the fith player I assume? I guess that sounds about right after all.

Yep. It's just crazy. The Mavs are simply not as talented as the Lakers.

But hey I'll take it lol, this is beautiful.

Shade
05-08-2011, 05:15 PM
Barea's got cajones.

Pingu
05-08-2011, 05:16 PM
Yep. It's just crazy. The Mavs are simply not as talented as the Lakers.

Well, as Kstat pointed out, overall the Mavs still seem to have the better roster.

Shade
05-08-2011, 05:16 PM
This is beautiful.

Shade
05-08-2011, 05:18 PM
Jason Terry 32
Kobe/Pau/Bynum 29

pacersgroningen
05-08-2011, 05:19 PM
Epic! I will remember this game for a long long long time :)

immortality
05-08-2011, 05:20 PM
Wow. The Dallas cannot miss from the three point line.

LoneGranger33
05-08-2011, 05:21 PM
Here comes the epic collapse.

idioteque
05-08-2011, 05:22 PM
Too hard not to root for Dallas after this. Screw OKC and Memphis, I hope Dallas goes all the way.

Heisenberg
05-08-2011, 05:25 PM
The craziest thing about the game's Dirk really hasn't done much, he's only got a dozen points.

Him and Terry are +31 for the game. That's nuts lol.

Kstat
05-08-2011, 05:25 PM
Nowitzki being the fith player I assume? I guess that sounds about right after all.

WTF?

Kobe and Dirk are 1a and 1b. Dirk is a cut above Gasol, Bynum and Odom.

Pingu
05-08-2011, 05:27 PM
Too bad Boston is not playing Miami today, I would have liked to see Delonte West wishing all the moms a happy mother's day :D

Pingu
05-08-2011, 05:28 PM
WTF?

Kobe and Dirk are 1a and 1b. Dirk is a cut above Gasol, Bynum and Odom.

I meant the one Dallas player out of the five most talented players. I didn't mean that he was fifth in terms of talent behind the four others.

mattie
05-08-2011, 05:29 PM
WTF?

Kobe and Dirk are 1a and 1b. Dirk is a cut above Gasol, Bynum and Odom.

I'd argue Dirk is the best player in the series. He's just a far superior scorer than Kobe is...

And then the next 4 of course being Kobe Gasol, Bynum and Odom. (btw I think He was saying Dirk was the 5th as in 1 among the 5 I mentioned... reading comprehension ftw)

Anywho, even the rest of the Lakers roster is still much more talented than the Mavs with Artest, Barnes Brown and Fisher.

In the Lakers defense in order to not make this look as big as a choke job as it is, I'm sure you'll argue about how good the Mavs are; but it just doesn't change the reality that hte Lakers are far more talented than the Mavs and they have no business losing let alone getting swept.

Heisenberg
05-08-2011, 05:30 PM
http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/607650/artestdunk.gif

Kstat
05-08-2011, 05:33 PM
Anywho, even the rest of the Lakers roster is still much more talented than the Mavs with Artest, Barnes Brown and Fisher.

In the Lakers defense in order to not make this look as big as a choke job as it is, I'm sure you'll argue about how good the Mavs are; but it just doesn't change the reality that hte Lakers are far more talented than the Mavs and they have no business losing let alone getting swept.

Dallas has 8 of the 12 best players in this series. You're more than welcome to argue LA has the better roster, but it's simply not true.

Fisher and Artest start for the Lakers, and neither of them would break Dallas's rotation.

Aside from odom, the rest of LA's bench wouldn't even make Dallas's roster.

Shade
05-08-2011, 05:33 PM
Odom with his second confrontation of the game.

Thuuuuuuuuuuugggggggggggg

Shade
05-08-2011, 05:34 PM
I think Lamar just punched his ticket out of LA.

Or, "shoved" his ticket, if you will.

Shade
05-08-2011, 05:35 PM
Mavs up 30.

Pingu
05-08-2011, 05:35 PM
Anywho, even the rest of the Lakers roster is still much more talented than the Mavs with Artest, Barnes Brown and Fisher.



This I disagree with. Barea is better than Fisher at this point. Terry is obviously better than Brown. Stojakovic is better than Barnes. And Marion is better than Artest.

ballism
05-08-2011, 05:36 PM
Well, as Kstat pointed out, overall the Mavs still seem to have the better roster.

It's very revisionistic though. I'm very sceptical when ppl go 'ohh they are bad' after a bad start to the playoffs and then 'ohh their roster is so good' after the next series.

Before this series, almost everyone would've said the Lakers have a better roster. Whole espn picked LA in 5 or close to it.
Peja, JJ Barea, Shawn Marion, Haywood? Come on, those guys were supposed to be bad or worn out not long ago. Heck, noone wanted Tyson Chandler a year ago. This is spectacular series, and fantastic season. Trying to rationalize it post factum is as fake as it can be.

Flibertygibits
05-08-2011, 05:36 PM
Is this real life?

Kstat
05-08-2011, 05:36 PM
wow. Two Lakers have been ejected for bush league fouls and neither of them is artest!

ballism
05-08-2011, 05:37 PM
Lol, "to restore law and order, Lakers bring in Artest to replace Odom".

Shade
05-08-2011, 05:37 PM
Bynum with a cheap shot on Barea.

The Lakers are showing the world what a bunch of thugs they really are. Good riddance.

Jared Sullinger
05-08-2011, 05:37 PM
Bynum with the Stan Hansen lariat on Barea.

Heisenberg
05-08-2011, 05:37 PM
Garbage disgusting stuff by the Lakers, that hit was just ridiculous

Kstat
05-08-2011, 05:37 PM
It's very revisionistic though. I'm very sceptical when ppl go 'ohh they are bad' after a bad start to the playoffs and then 'ohh their roster is so good' after the next series.


I predicted Dallas from the beginning. The national media just picks whatever way the wind blows.

Kstat
05-08-2011, 05:39 PM
Bynum with a cheap shot on Barea.

The Lakers are showing the world what a bunch of thugs they really are. Good riddance.

Oh come on.

If the Lakers were thugs they wouldn't be losing by 30. They are just being crybabies.

Picking on a 5'9" guy? Seriously?

This is an insult to thuggary.

IUfan4life
05-08-2011, 05:39 PM
really glad we never traded for Bynum, especially given our past history

Shade
05-08-2011, 05:39 PM
wow. Two Lakers have been ejected for bush league fouls and neither of them is artest!

Wait for it...

ballism
05-08-2011, 05:39 PM
Truly disgraceful. Lakers trying to regain the 'most hated team' title.

Shade
05-08-2011, 05:41 PM
Oh come on.

If the Lakers were thugs they wouldn't be losing by 30. They are just being crybabies. This is an insult to thuggary.

Relative to the game of basketball, those were thug moves.

Crybabies works too, though.

pacerwaala
05-08-2011, 05:41 PM
LA needs some shooters - Blake, Artest, Odom, Barnes are not good shooters to complement Kobe and the 2 bigs.

Shade
05-08-2011, 05:42 PM
Truly disgraceful. Lakers trying to regain the 'most hated team' title.

That's one title they'll never lose in my book.

PaceBalls
05-08-2011, 05:42 PM
wow... some people just don't know how to lose gracefully. I guess they haven't had much practice at it, but geez... I wonder what LA is going to look like next year, or if they will even win 41 games.

Shade
05-08-2011, 05:43 PM
I will say that, so far, I'm impressed with Kobe's poise. This can't be easy to go through right now. Maybe...maybe...he has finally matured.

Shade
05-08-2011, 05:43 PM
Lakers down by 35.

MrSparko
05-08-2011, 05:43 PM
History says the Lakers will win more than 41 games next year.

shags
05-08-2011, 05:44 PM
I wish the NBA would suspend players for playoff games for this crap instead of regular season games.

Fine Bynum $250,000 and suspend him 5 playoff games. Maybe that'd get players to stop doing these cheap shots.

mattie
05-08-2011, 05:44 PM
This I disagree with. Barea is better than Fisher at this point. Terry is obviously better than Brown. Stojakovic is better than Barnes. And Marion is better than Artest.

Barea yes: Stojakovic has had a helluva game today but he has lost it, he's injured constantly, he cannot play defense and is not effective unless he is shooting real well.

Marion and Artest is a wash at best. Marion has lost it as well... this Mavs team is full of has beens...

Justin Tyme
05-08-2011, 05:44 PM
How embarrassing! Complete meltdown for the Lakers. Totally uncalled for and there will be a bunch of new faces next year on the Lakers team. I don't like the Lakers or Jackson, but this is a terrible way for his players to act in his last game.

Shade
05-08-2011, 05:45 PM
I expect it to be a tease with the Lakers winning in the end like they always do.

Lakers in 7.

You're an idiot.

Kstat
05-08-2011, 05:46 PM
Stojakovic is healthy right now. That's all that matters. He's better than Barnes. He's better than Artest. That's been abundantly clear. He's even playing defense.

Kstat
05-08-2011, 05:47 PM
Marion and Artest is a wash at best. Marion has lost it as well... this Mavs team is full of has beens...

Marion still rebounds. Artest does nothing but take up space and commit hard fouls. Advantage: Marion.