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Kstat
04-27-2011, 09:43 PM
The matchup we've been waiting for since opening night back in October is finally upon us. Both teams have undergone significant changes through the course of the season, but both look pretty good so far in the playoffs.

Prediction: Celtics in 7

vnzla81
04-27-2011, 10:03 PM
Shaq will come back and Miami won't have an answer for their bigs(Shaq,JO,KG) and they won't have an answer for Rondo either, Celtics in 6

ballism
04-27-2011, 10:10 PM
Miami in 5. Shaq isn't healthy, bench stays terrible, Rondo stays up and down, noone can stop Wade nor LeBron, and Bosh outplays KG. Miami takes the first 3. I hope I jinxed them.

BlueNGold
04-27-2011, 10:21 PM
Garnett and Big Baby will need to have a great series for the Celtics to win. I am calling it Miami in 6 and I'm not happy about it. I see Miami and Chicago in the ECF...with Chicago having a fairly easy route to get there.

Unclebuck
04-27-2011, 10:34 PM
As much as I want the Celtics to win, I think the heat will win in 7.

This likely will be the best series in these playoffs.

Pierce defends Lebron pretty well, but does ray Allen defend Wade well? I don't know

vnzla81
04-27-2011, 10:38 PM
As much as I want the Celtics to win, I think the heat will win in 7.

This likely will be the best series in these playoffs.

Pierce defends Lebron pretty well, but does ray Allen defend Wade well? I don't know

Rondo would be on Wade, Rondo can also guard Lebron at times, the question is, who is going to guard Rondo and KG? Bibby and Bosh?

King Tuts Tomb
04-27-2011, 10:44 PM
I think Miami will win, and I hope they do, but I could see Pierce and Allen getting hot and giving the Celtics a chance to win.

Doddage
04-27-2011, 10:44 PM
Celtics in 6.

Shade
04-28-2011, 01:54 PM
Miami in 7. It's gonna be a hell of a series.

bellisimo
04-28-2011, 02:24 PM
I'd say Celts win this in 6.
still feel Cs defense is better than Heat's

Since86
04-28-2011, 03:23 PM
I'd say Celts win this in 6.
still feel Cs defense is better than Heat's

Along with the supporting cast.

There's only so much LeBron and Wade can do.

KingGeorge
04-28-2011, 05:24 PM
Celtics in 7.

spreedom
04-29-2011, 08:50 AM
Cs in 6.

BillS
04-29-2011, 10:02 AM
Can the arena just sink into the ocean with both teams aboard?

Please, Celtics in 6

15th parallel
04-29-2011, 10:26 AM
Miami in 6.

The C's have slowed down LeBron before when he's all alone doing most of the work for Cleveland. But with Wade sharing the load, and with the emergence of Joel Anthony as a defensive presence inside the paint, I don't know if they can slow Miami down.

Plus, Celtics have Troy Murphy...so... :D

Major Cold
04-29-2011, 10:29 AM
Celts in 6.

The Heat are not yet there
And Rondo has flare

Sollozzo
04-29-2011, 12:07 PM
I love the Celtics. I think they win in 6. If Ray Allen is hitting like he did against New York then they definitely will.

PaceBalls
04-29-2011, 02:42 PM
I think the Heat are going to the finals. I predict the Heat in 5.

TMJ31
04-29-2011, 02:53 PM
Hadn't seen this posted yet.

I know JO took a lot of flak here during his last year or two, but he is one of my all time favorite Pacers and he really devoted himself to this team and brought us to a level many of us thought we couldn't reach after our championship team disbanded...

He is a classy guy, and I for one miss him.

http://www.telegram.com/article/20110428/NEWS/104289361/-1/NEWS06
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Celtics' Jermaine O'Neal is cool toward Heat
By Bill Doyle TELEGRAM & GAZETTE STAFF

WALTHAM — Jermaine O'Neal won't get all nostalgic when the Celtics play Dwyane Wade and the Miami Heat in the Eastern Conference semifinals starting at 3:30 p.m. Sunday.

Yes, O'Neal played a year and a half with the Heat and became friends with Wade before signing with the Celtics last summer. But none of that matters now.

“If it's not Indiana, then I don't have a whole lot of sentimental value,” O'Neal said before the Celtics practiced yesterday at HealthPoint.

Infinite MAN_force
04-29-2011, 03:16 PM
Bleh. I think Miami's lack of depth and bigs gets exposed big time in this series. Celtics in 6. Maybe 5.

Hoop
04-29-2011, 05:13 PM
Boston in 6, since they both can't lose.

idioteque
04-29-2011, 06:07 PM
Boston will pull a San Antonio and Miami will win in 6.

shags
04-29-2011, 08:53 PM
I can't wait for this series. These two teams legitimately don't like each other.

I'm picking Celtics in 6, which is a switch for me from what I would have picked to start the playoffs. But I liked the fact that Rondo got his mojo back, and I think KG will really frustrate Bosh.

D-BONE
04-30-2011, 07:04 PM
Celts in 7, but I really don't know. Just looking forward to watching this and then, most likely, the Bulls v. this winner in the ECF.

AesopRockOn
04-30-2011, 11:52 PM
The Heat having the homecourt advantage will be big for the supporting cast, Miller, Jones, House. Heat still don't know how to score in crunch time. However, I don't think the Celtics will play the Heat a whole lot better than Philly did. NBA storylines say Heat in 7.

Sollozzo
05-01-2011, 10:05 AM
Tensions will definitely be high in this series. These two teams just generally don't like each other. The Celtics knocked both Lebron and Wade out last year. If the Heat lose to the Celtics, that means Lebron will have been eliminated by Boston in 3 out of the last 4 years. It would probably be 4 straight years if KG hadn't gone down two years ago as Boston easily beats Orlando and advances to play Cleveland if they have the Big Ticket. I'm sure Lebron wants to beat Boston more than anything in the world, just like Kobe wanted revenge against them last year.

I hope the Celtics embarrass them, but it will probably be a close series.

Any word on Shaq?

Dece
05-01-2011, 10:57 AM
I'm not certain why, but I just feel like the Celtics are about to remember how old they are getting like the Spurs did and go down in flames.

Heat in a shockingly low 5.

pacerwaala
05-01-2011, 10:59 AM
I think the Celts should have kept Tony Allen for this series. He could have guarded Wade and Lebron. If Pierce spends energy guarding Lebron, he will not have enough on the offensive end. If Wade does not defend, Ray Allen will eat them alive. The bigs other than KG and Bosh, even out and are washed up non factors (Joel Anthony, Big Z, Shaq, Dampier).

Basically, what I am saying is that this is a pretty even series but I think experience will win out - Celtics in 7.

This should have been the conference finals, I don't think the Bulls (after that first round showing) are good compared to Miami or Boston.

Sollozzo
05-01-2011, 11:14 AM
I'm not certain why, but I just feel like the Celtics are about to remember how old they are getting like the Spurs did and go down in flames.

Heat in a shockingly low 5.



The Celtics are definitely old, but they haven't showed their age all season. So what makes you think they all of the sudden will now? None of the Big 3 have fallen off like Duncan has. KG had that bad injury two years ago and has two years of experience on Duncan, but he still isn't as washed up as TD. Pierce and Allen could still average over 20 points a game if they were one man shows like they were 4-5 years ago.

Pierce and Ray Allen were pretty dialed in against NY. Garnett played tough ball (had over 10 boards in every game). I don't expect any of that to change against Miami, especially since they are running on pure emotion at this point.

If Rondo is playing Rondo-ball, if Pierce and Allen hit their jumpers, and if KG plays tough against Bosh then I think they win.

Its obviously going to come down to who plays better: Boston's Big 4 or Miami's Big 3. I'm going with Boston's Big 4, though I won't be surprised if the Big 3 outplay them. This series is a coin flip.

If the Celtics lose it's not going to be in a mere 5 games. There is no way that a team that has accomplished as much as they have over the past few years is going to be embarrassed like that. If you're going to beat them then you're in for a grueling dog fight that will likely last 7 games. Just ask the Lakers last year.

vnzla81
05-01-2011, 03:42 PM
Rondo is going to destroy Bibby

vnzla81
05-01-2011, 03:52 PM
Rondo is going to destroy Bibby

Bibby is schooling Rondo right now :blush:

hoosierguy
05-01-2011, 04:00 PM
D Wade is taking over now.

He is a far better postseason performer than Lebron.

hoosierguy
05-01-2011, 04:04 PM
The price of brick is going to fall dramatically because of this game.

Basketball Fan
05-01-2011, 04:05 PM
The only thing I like about this series is that one of these teams will lose

vnzla81
05-01-2011, 04:10 PM
I don't know who is more boring to watch Boston or Miami :whoknows:

hoosierguy
05-01-2011, 04:11 PM
This reminds me of old school 1990s NBA playoff ball. The fouls aren't as hard though.

DemonHunter1105
05-01-2011, 04:28 PM
D Wade is taking over now.

He is a far better postseason performer than Lebron.

I don't think far better is a correct assessment in my opinion. He seems to focus a lot on getting his teammates involved for the majority of the game. If he wants to take over, I am pretty sure he could at almost any time.

That playoff game against the Pistons where he had 29 of their last 30 points should be evidence of this.

ilive4sports
05-01-2011, 04:40 PM
Well this is why I picked miami back in the beginning of the season

hoosierguy
05-01-2011, 04:44 PM
I don't think far better is a correct assessment in my opinion. He seems to focus a lot on getting his teammates involved for the majority of the game. If he wants to take over, I am pretty sure he could at almost any time.

That playoff game against the Pistons where he had 29 of their last 30 points should be evidence of this.

One great game surrounded by a bunch of failures. His disappearing act against the Celtics last year in the playoffs solidified my opinion of him.

DemonHunter1105
05-01-2011, 04:51 PM
One great game surrounded by a bunch of failures. His disappearing act against the Celtics last year in the playoffs solidified my opinion of him.

Just go look up his playoff averages. I just wish one of our players could fail that good. Hate the man all you want, but you have to respect his game to a degree.

AesopRockOn
05-01-2011, 04:59 PM
Van Gundy's face. I thought Woody Allen trademarked that back in the 70's.

BringJackBack
05-01-2011, 05:29 PM
I don't want Jeff Green anywhere near this team. I don't want to give him a 5 year/50 million contract for him to become Troy Murphy/Charlie Villanueva 2.0.

vnzla81
05-01-2011, 05:33 PM
I don't want Jeff Green anywhere near this team. I don't want to give him a 5 year/50 million contract for him to become Troy Murphy/Charlie Villanueva 2.0.

It looks like you have never seen him play, Troy and CV? :laugh:

idioteque
05-01-2011, 05:37 PM
Joel Anthony is a pretty good defensive presence. He does some things on that end that don't really show up on the stat sheet. You don't see a lot of Boston players driving for uncontested layups like teams used to do to us when we had Murphy.

ilive4sports
05-01-2011, 05:38 PM
james jones learned that from reggie

idioteque
05-01-2011, 05:40 PM
Horrid execution by Miami there.

BringJackBack
05-01-2011, 05:43 PM
It looks like you have never seen him play, Troy and CV? :laugh:

He's a 2/3 in a tweener's body with no defense. Hence the reference of Murphy and Villanueva.

He's more athletic than them, sure. But they're still all tweeners with bad defense. Plus, look at his numbers:

Playoffs: 6 PPG, 0 APG, 3.5 RPG, 33% shooting, 17% from three

Reg Season since coming over to Boston: 9.8 PPG, .7 APG, 3.3 RPG, 49% shooting, 30% from three

I don't want that on my team at all. Especially not for 5/50 million.

idioteque
05-01-2011, 05:45 PM
Holy ****, throw Pierce out. That is also not a flagrant foul.

vnzla81
05-01-2011, 05:45 PM
He's a 2/3 in a tweener's body with no defense. Hence the reference of Murphy and Villanueva.

He's more athletic than them, sure. But they're still all tweeners with bad defense. Plus, look at his numbers:

Playoffs: 6 PPG, 0 APG, 3.5 RPG, 33% shooting, 17% from three

Reg Season since coming over to Boston: 9.8 PPG, .7 APG, 3.3 RPG, 49% shooting, 30% from three

I don't want that on my team at all. Especially not for 5/50 million.

CV and Murphy wish they were as good as him and who is talking about 5/50? I haven't seen that.

idioteque
05-01-2011, 05:47 PM
HOLY ****TT LEBRON. Right in Paulie's face too.

DemonHunter1105
05-01-2011, 05:47 PM
Mama, there goes that man.

idioteque
05-01-2011, 05:49 PM
Hahahahaha yes, get out of the game Pierce you punk.

vnzla81
05-01-2011, 05:50 PM
WTF was that?

DemonHunter1105
05-01-2011, 05:51 PM
Hahahaha I take too much pleasure out of Pierce finally getting punished to care that it is Miami beating them.

BringJackBack
05-01-2011, 05:51 PM
CV and Murphy wish they were as good as him and who is talking about 5/50? I haven't seen that.

Charlie Villanueva in his contract year: 16.2 PPG, 6.7 RPG, 1.8 APG

Troy Murphy in his contract year: 15.4 PPG, 7.2 RPG, 1.4 APG

Jeff Green in his contract year: 13.3 PPG, 4.8 RPG, 1.4 APG

Jeff Green is a RFA and he is a big. He will get paid.

idioteque
05-01-2011, 05:52 PM
5 bucks Pierce tries to sneak back out there on a wheel chair and one of the referees has to push him back to the locker room.

BringJackBack
05-01-2011, 05:53 PM
Holy crap.. this game is incredibly boring.

ilive4sports
05-01-2011, 05:53 PM
Paul Pierce had been playing shady all game and been talking way too much, he got himself thrown out there

idioteque
05-01-2011, 05:54 PM
I don't really like Miami, but man I strongly dislike the Boston Celtics enough to fully root for Miami in this series.

shags
05-01-2011, 05:54 PM
They should have thrown Pierce out for headbutting James Jones. And Jones' foul should have been a flagrant one, especially if the one on Jermaine was. I agree with Jackson & Van Gundy, but it never should have came to that.

And I'm surprised Pierce didn't go out on a wheelchair after Jones fouled him. I (sports) hate both of these teams.

Sollozzo
05-01-2011, 05:55 PM
Unbelievable that Pierce got tossed right there. Just unbelievable.

This is why people have problems with NBA refs. Even the announcers were calling them out for that.

AesopRockOn
05-01-2011, 05:55 PM
He didn't deserve to be ejected. Malloy was looking to throw him out. Not that it mattered anyway. Hopefully Boston comes to play in the first half of Game 2.

vnzla81
05-01-2011, 05:55 PM
I don't really like Miami, but man I strongly dislike the Boston Celtics enough to fully root for Miami in this series.

I hate Miami more.

idioteque
05-01-2011, 05:56 PM
Unbelievable that Pierce got tossed right there. Just unbelievable.

This is why people have problems with NBA refs. Even the announcers were calling them out for that.

He probably should have been thrown out after that headbut anyway, but I agree with your point in theory.

AesopRockOn
05-01-2011, 05:57 PM
I don't really like Miami, but man I strongly dislike the Boston Celtics enough to fully root for Miami in this series.

This. Plus, I've been picking Miami to win the title for most of the season. Kind of on their side at this point. :o

Basketball Fan
05-01-2011, 05:57 PM
Hahahaha I take too much pleasure out of Pierce finally getting punished to care that it is Miami beating them.


A pity nobody threw their used gum at him on his way to the tunnel.

Basketball Fan
05-01-2011, 05:58 PM
5 bucks Pierce tries to sneak back out there on a wheel chair and one of the referees has to push him back to the locker room.



Can't only Wade is allowed to use a wheelchair between the two of them.

DemonHunter1105
05-01-2011, 05:58 PM
I wouldn't fully trust these announcers judgements on some calls. They know most people hate Miami and Boston has been a darling of the NBA world with a huge fan base. Why wouldn't they argue for calls in Boston's favor?

Especially if it makes the game more interesting to pretend like Boston is getting cheated out of a W.

vnzla81
05-01-2011, 05:59 PM
What a shot.

idioteque
05-01-2011, 05:59 PM
Man I wish Ray Allen played for another team, I love watching him play. If Brandon Rush gave a **** he could be sort of a hybrid between Pierce and Allen, at least within the context of how high his ceiling actually is.

ilive4sports
05-01-2011, 06:01 PM
Pierce had to be ejected because it was his second technical foul. He deserved both of them too. He was playing like a jackass, and that's what happens

Trophy
05-01-2011, 06:02 PM
Paul Pierce was acting like an animal this whole game. I'm glad he got thrown out.

I hope Miami wins this series. I can't bear to see Boston advance and probably go to the Finals again.

Same goes for LA.

IUfan4life
05-01-2011, 06:04 PM
Pierce had to be ejected because it was his second technical foul. He deserved both of them too. He was playing like a jackass, and that's what happens

He deserved the first T, not the second.

ilive4sports
05-01-2011, 06:07 PM
He deserved the first T, not the second.
Knowing how paul pierce likes to talk ****, he definitely said something and reacted stupidly which is why a double tech was called on him and wade

idioteque
05-01-2011, 06:07 PM
If viewed in isolation the second T may not have been warranted, but he was on incredibly thin ice for headbutting another player and should have had that in might before getting in someone elses' face. Part of the job of the referees is to diffuse a situation before it breaks out until an all out fight, and apparently a tech wasn't enough to deter Pierce so they had to take the next step.

IUfan4life
05-01-2011, 06:08 PM
Knowing how paul pierce likes to talk ****, he definitely said something and reacted stupidly which is why a double tech was called on him and wade

If we want to go this route, then Wade deserved a flagrent, after the one they gave to Jermaine

vnzla81
05-01-2011, 06:10 PM
WTF is Rondo doing?

BringJackBack
05-01-2011, 06:10 PM
Kevin Garnett just killed Chris Bosh.

And Rondo is trying way too hard.

idioteque
05-01-2011, 06:11 PM
If Paul George leaped into the stands like that, would you take one for the team and break his fall so he didn't get injured?

AesopRockOn
05-01-2011, 06:11 PM
Mario Chalmers does his best to try to kill Wade. :lol:

ilive4sports
05-01-2011, 06:12 PM
If we want to go this route, then Wade deserved a flagrent, after the one they gave to Jermaine

Jermaine didn't deserve the flagrant, I agree with that. But paul pierce set himself up for the ejection the way he played and talked all game long

BringJackBack
05-01-2011, 06:13 PM
If Paul George leaped into the stands like that, would you take one for the team and break his fall so he didn't get injured?

I would. Paul George is OURS and I'm not gonna let anything happen to him. :D :laugh:

vnzla81
05-01-2011, 06:13 PM
Rondo is shocking on this one I don't know what he is doing.

AesopRockOn
05-01-2011, 06:13 PM
If Paul George leaped into the stands like that, would you take one for the team and break his fall so he didn't get injured?

I don't think the Bulls fans would try to catch Paul. :p

idioteque
05-01-2011, 06:15 PM
I don't think the Bulls fans would try to catch Paul. :p

BURN. I won't add the Kyle Korver image to add insult to injury though.

hoosierguy
05-01-2011, 06:26 PM
Unbelievable that Pierce got tossed right there. Just unbelievable.

This is why people have problems with NBA refs. Even the announcers were calling them out for that.

Pierce is a giant prick. He deserved to be thrown out of this game and many others.

31andonly
05-01-2011, 06:41 PM
Terrible officiating.

King Tuts Tomb
05-02-2011, 03:38 AM
Paul Pierce looked like he was trying to get thrown out of the game. Not sure what he was thinking there.

Slick Pinkham
05-02-2011, 02:39 PM
I would agree that the ref needs to have a longer leash there, maybe saying "not one more word" before the 2nd T, but then again, maybe he had said "not one more word" a few seconds before?

Also everyone was complaining in the past few weeks that the main thing wrong with refs was that the stars don't get called on things the scrubs get called on. In this case Paul Pierce is a star, and most of the complaints I have heard have been "how can you throw out a star for that" which completely contradicts their earlier complaints.

Since86
05-02-2011, 02:46 PM
Pierce is a scrub when he's standing face to face with DWade and LeBron.

Scrub is a relative term.

Slick Pinkham
05-02-2011, 02:59 PM
Pierce is a scrub when he's standing face to face with DWade and LeBron.

Scrub is a relative term.

Then why in the world was Wade assessed a technical also? Seems like evenhanded treatment of star and scrub, assuming your characterization is correct.

Since86
05-02-2011, 03:06 PM
Then why in the world was Wade assessed a technical also? Seems like evenhanded treatment of star and scrub, assuming your characterization is correct.

Because he deserved it?

You're acting like the argument is that superstars don't ever get a call against them. They do actually get fouls, technicals, and even disqualifications. Showing a clip of Jordan being called for a foul doesn't refute the claim that he got special treatment.

Slick Pinkham
05-02-2011, 03:16 PM
You don't see any disconnect between people saying stars shouldn't get special treatment from the refs, and many of those same people saying that the ref in this case should not have thrown out such a big star at such a critical moment?

Since86
05-02-2011, 03:22 PM
Do stars get special treatment? Hell yes.
Do starts get thrown out of games? Obviously.

The second point doesn't disprove the first.

We've already talked about how Joey C. tossed Tim Duncan. The same explanation could be used here too, or maybe PP actually did deserve to be ejected??

Unclebuck
05-03-2011, 09:12 AM
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/basketball/nba/2011-05-02-nbafouls_N.htm

NBA changes foul
calls from Game 1
of Celtics-Heat



Posted 12h 42m ago |



By Jeff Zillgitt, US TODAY



After reviewing video of the Miami Heat's
99-90 victory Sunday against the Boston
Celtics in Game 1 of the Eastern
Conference semifinals, the NBA (http://ezurl.co/12e4c11) made
changes to one technical foul and one
flagrant foul called during the game.

Basketball Fan
05-03-2011, 09:45 AM
The Heat were the only home team to win Game 1 which is weird.

Slick Pinkham
05-03-2011, 01:25 PM
direct quote from Mike and Mike in the Morning (today)


I don't understand how a referee can make a call like that on a star player like Paul Pierce at such a critical point in the game

ilive4sports
05-03-2011, 08:10 PM
Wade is one hell of a basketball player. Anyone else see how he closed out the half?

ECKrueger
05-03-2011, 08:31 PM
I am a Wade fan.

vnzla81
05-03-2011, 08:36 PM
Boring game :unimpress

Dr. Hibbert
05-03-2011, 08:44 PM
LeBron is lucky he is held to a different standard of officiating than the rest of the league. That was a charge.

ilive4sports
05-03-2011, 09:20 PM
This just in, Miami is really good.

15th parallel
05-03-2011, 09:23 PM
Rajon Rondo will never be a top tier PG if he doesn't have a decent jump shot.

King Tuts Tomb
05-03-2011, 09:23 PM
LeBron is lucky he is held to a different standard of officiating than the rest of the league. That was a charge.

Hope you don't mean the spin move off Rondo because that was beautiful and definitely not a charge.

vnzla81
05-03-2011, 09:24 PM
Man I can't watch this two teams anymore. zzzzzzzzzzzz

ilive4sports
05-03-2011, 09:30 PM
People who think this play is boring must have hated our series against the bulls. Its a defensive battle, this is the playoffs.

King Tuts Tomb
05-03-2011, 09:32 PM
People who think this series is boring must hate competition and talent.

ilive4sports
05-03-2011, 09:37 PM
Paul Pierce is not the smartest player. He passed up a good 3 for rondo to take one. Miami not only has better talent, but they play as a better team.

xBulletproof
05-03-2011, 09:37 PM
Hope you don't mean the spin move off Rondo because that was beautiful and definitely not a charge.

Yes, I'm pretty sure that was the play he meant, I was looking at the thread and it popped up at the same time. I was just going to ignore it, it pretty obviously wasn't a charge. I'm glad someone said it though.

Also, Lebron just hurt KG's feelings in the final minute on that shot. My first thought though was, KG of 10 years ago attacking Lebron like that would have been fun to watch.

cdash
05-03-2011, 09:41 PM
I am preparing myself to live in a world where the Heat are the Eastern Conference Champions, because I fear it is going to happen.

Unclebuck
05-03-2011, 09:45 PM
LeBron is lucky he is held to a different standard of officiating than the rest of the league. That was a charge.


So Lebron gets more calls than all the other star players, or are there other stars that get Lebron calls. I'm confused

King Tuts Tomb
05-03-2011, 09:58 PM
So Lebron gets more calls than all the other star players, or are there other stars that get Lebron calls. I'm confused

The NBA only wants big stars and big market teams to win. That's why LeBron James and the Knicks have won so many championships.

Basketball Fan
05-03-2011, 10:01 PM
I am preparing myself to live in a world where the Heat are the Eastern Conference Champions, because I fear it is going to happen.



So you weren't ready when it happened in 2006?



But I still think it would be funny if the Hawks advanced to the ECF and beat the Heat...(I know pipe dream but still hilarious)

Basketball Fan
05-03-2011, 10:03 PM
People who think this series is boring must hate competition and talent.

Yeah that's it not that watching the Heat is watching a glorified game of HORSE. With Wade and Lebron exchanging free throws.

The Celtics whom I loathe are more interesting to watch and while I think they'll win 2 games they aren't winning this series.

ilive4sports
05-03-2011, 10:22 PM
I am preparing myself to live in a world where the Heat are the Eastern Conference Champions, because I fear it is going to happen.

You better prepare yourself to live in a world where the Miami Heat are NBA Champions

Sollozzo
05-03-2011, 11:59 PM
The Heat aren't going to lose many games when their Big 3 combine for 80 points. And the Celts aren't going to win many when Ray and Pierce combine for 20.

Boston really needed to steal one of these first two games in Miami. I don't think they are going to beat the Heat 4 out of 5 times, but the Celtics are a team you never want to write off.

Pingu
05-07-2011, 09:55 PM
Huh, don't know what just happened to Rondo's arm, but it sure didn't look good.

PaceBalls
05-07-2011, 09:56 PM
wow, that's the series right there. It looked like he broke it, at best an elbow dislocation for Rondo.

Unclebuck
05-07-2011, 09:59 PM
Yeah, that was really ugly. he is done for a long time.

If you notice when they took him off they wouldn't let the sideline reporter go into the tunnel. The security guard said "no one"

Not a dirty play by Wade at all though

PaceBalls
05-07-2011, 10:13 PM
Ok now he is looking like he wants to come back in the game. Rondo is one tough dude. I'm glad he feels he is ok to play. It sure looked bad.

Yeah that was definitely not a bad play by Wade, it looked to me like Rondo was trying to pull him down as well.

Pingu
05-07-2011, 10:16 PM
Rondo playing with just one hand now!

imawhat
05-07-2011, 10:56 PM
Rondo evoking playoff memories of Dale Davis right there. Rondo is one tough SOB.

Seeing him and Troy Murphy in the same shot is both ends of the spectrum. One sticks his dislocated arm into traffic to get a steal and the other gets out of the way when someone drives to the hoop.

Shade
05-07-2011, 10:56 PM
Miami should be embarrassed, letting a one-armed Rondo torch them like that... :shakehead

Sollozzo
05-08-2011, 11:44 AM
The Celtics will tie this up tomorrow. No way do they allow the Heat to take a 3-1 lead in their house. I would bet all the money in the world that this goes back to South Beach 2-2.

What happens then? Well, I could see Boston doing what they did in game 5 in Cleveland last year and stunning Miami in their house. Wouldn't surprise me at all.

Slick Pinkham
05-08-2011, 08:53 PM
If Rondo plays and can't dribble using his left arm, Chalmers needs to press him full court. With one hand there's no crossover dribble, no quick change of direction without palming, etc.

They need to exploit that, and didn't even try after Rondo came back in during game 3

KingGeorge
05-08-2011, 09:21 PM
If Rondo plays and can't dribble using his left arm, Chalmers needs to press him full court. With one hand there's no crossover dribble, no quick change of direction without palming, etc.

They need to exploit that, and didn't even try after Rondo came back in during game 3

Rondo is still better than half the PG's in this league with just one arm.

imawhat
05-08-2011, 11:29 PM
Rondo playing with one arm yesterday also reminded me of Neil Reed at IU a few years back. I think Reed had a separated shoulder.

KingGeorge
05-09-2011, 12:20 PM
http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2011/05/mri-negative-on-rajon-rondos-dislocated-elbow/


MRI Negative on Rajon Rondo’s Dislocated Elbow


Rondo should be ready to go and resume his heroics in tonight’s Game 4, after an MRI revealed no breaks in his left elbow. From the Boston Herald: “The Celtics may have dodged a deadly bullet [Sunday] with the news that Rajon Rondo did not suffer a break in his left elbow. An MRI taken on the joint came back negative late this afternoon, meaning that the point guard has suffered nothing worse than a dislocation, which was popped back into place prior to his return for the fourth quarter of the Celtics’ Game 3 win over Miami … Rondo’s injury occurred during the third quarter when he tangled with Heat guard Dwyane Wade. Wade was called for a foul on the play, in which Rondo tried to break his fall by landing on his left hand. The result was a nasty bend in the elbow that caused national TV viewers to cringe. Typically the model of calm and cool, Wade curtly dismissed a question about the play during the Heat’s practice this afternoon at Emerson College. ‘I’m not answering no questions about that,’ he said. ‘I’m done with that.’ Wade also dismissed a follow-up question regarding his concern with the Celtics seeking retribution. C’s coach Doc Rivers said after the game that he had to prevent his players from retaliating.”

vnzla81
05-09-2011, 07:30 PM
Rondo gets respect from me, that boy is playing with a big heart.

vnzla81
05-09-2011, 07:43 PM
I still like Big Baby, he could be a nice Mcbob replacement.

pacer4ever
05-09-2011, 08:00 PM
I still like Big Baby, he could be a nice Mcbob replacement.

He is a system guy fits perfect with Boston's system.

Shade
05-09-2011, 09:18 PM
I still like Big Baby, he could be a nice Mcbob replacement.

No.

Shade
05-09-2011, 09:18 PM
This is one ugly quarter.

vnzla81
05-09-2011, 09:20 PM
No.

Yes :tongue:

Shade
05-09-2011, 09:20 PM
Yes :tongue:

Absolutely not. :security:

vnzla81
05-09-2011, 09:29 PM
Ray with threeeeeeeeeeee

Shade
05-09-2011, 09:30 PM
LeBron just walked all over the place.

vnzla81
05-09-2011, 09:31 PM
Absolutely not. :security:

Yes :nod:...........:nunchuck:

vnzla81
05-09-2011, 09:33 PM
Lebron is trying to show he is clutch :laugh:

Shade
05-09-2011, 09:34 PM
Yes :nod:...........:nunchuck:

Hell :censored: no. :duel:

Shade
05-09-2011, 09:35 PM
For such a talented player, LeBron sure makes some dumb mistakes at the end of games.

Shade
05-09-2011, 09:37 PM
Nobody even touched you, Pierce. Stop pouting, douchebag.

vnzla81
05-09-2011, 09:37 PM
Garnett and Ray didn't know what to do :confused:

Shade
05-09-2011, 09:37 PM
The T-Mobile chick is hoooooooooootttttt. She reminds me of someone I know.

vnzla81
05-09-2011, 09:38 PM
Nobody even touched you, Pierce. Stop pouting, douchebag.

I think he was talking to KG.

Shade
05-09-2011, 09:41 PM
LeBron just got racked. :laugh:

Shade
05-09-2011, 09:46 PM
Wade = stone cold KILLER

vnzla81
05-09-2011, 09:46 PM
Game over

immortality
05-09-2011, 09:52 PM
The T-Mobile chick is hoooooooooootttttt. She reminds me of someone I know.

Their previous one, Catherine Zeta Jones ?

vnzla81
05-09-2011, 09:54 PM
Look at Bosh :laugh: he is to soft to be tough :laugh:

Shade
05-09-2011, 09:55 PM
Boston is done.

vnzla81
05-09-2011, 09:55 PM
The Spurs,Lakers and Boston era is over .............. :dance:

Shade
05-09-2011, 09:55 PM
Their previous one, Catherine Zeta Jones ?

Can't go wrong with either.

vnzla81
05-09-2011, 09:57 PM
http://www.sportsviews.com/images/blogs/193/blog_27860_1242725401.jpg

vnzla81
05-09-2011, 09:59 PM
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_O6gN4kZnGl0/TB7D5sV1PoI/AAAAAAAAA8E/dwn2pEG6G8c/s1600/TofkM.jpg

Basketball Fan
05-09-2011, 10:07 PM
The Spurs,Lakers and Boston era is over .............. :dance:



What Boston era? They won a championship. They're like the Pistons to me.

Spurs/Lakers I get they combined for 9 titles the past 12 years.

However I think the Lakers can come back. They're smart enough to do so and I'm surprised they lasted this long 3 straight trips to the Finals takes a toll on any team.

D-BONE
05-09-2011, 10:16 PM
Miami looking like the team to beat right now. Impressed w/ both Griz and Mavs, but the heat will be tough to take down for anyone. Bulls have looked pretty pedestrian so far for a one seed. We'll see.

idioteque
05-09-2011, 10:43 PM
The Spurs,Lakers and Boston era is over .............. :dance:

praise the lord!

Manguera
05-09-2011, 10:44 PM
Boston is toast. They have $66M tied up in 7 players for next year, including the O'Neal boys. If Rivers retires I see them blowing it up this summer. Not sure we would want any of their big 3 since they're all on the wrong side of 30 with a LOT of games on their legs, but it will be interesting to watch. I'd love to get Rondo if we could though. :-)

Edit: Of course the Heat could still choke it away so...

idioteque
05-09-2011, 10:50 PM
Boston is toast. They have $66M tied up in 7 players for next year, including the O'Neal boys. If Rivers retires I see them blowing it up this summer. Not sure we would want any of their big 3 since they're all on the wrong side of 30 with a LOT of games on their legs, but it will be interesting to watch. I'd love to get Rondo if we could though. :-)

I wouldn't mind a rental of one of the big three, especially Ray Allen or possibly Kevin Garnett. Of course, neither one would be in the long term picture for us, but could provide a couple years of veteran guidance. Yeah, Garnett is an *******, but he's been there before and could probably teach our guys something. Him splitting the PF with Hansbrough would be interesting for a couple of years and would probably sell some tickets. I don't know, depends on what the price is.

All three will probably assume bench roles for other contenders though. I would be surprised to see them looking at ending their careers in Oklahoma City or Memphis, maybe even Chicago or Miami.

King Tuts Tomb
05-09-2011, 11:37 PM
David Halberstam wrote this about Jordan and Malone in the New Yorker fifteen years ago but I think it applies equally well to the Celtics and Heat and why I've always thought the Heat had the best chance of winning the title this year:


Utah was a team, smart and well coached, and its players never seemed surprised late in a game. No team in the league executed its offense, particularly the interplay between John Stockton and Karl Malone, with the discipline of Utah. But that was a potential vulnerability, the Chicago coaches believed, for the Jazz were very predictable. What worked night after night against ordinary teams during the regular season might not work in a prolonged series against great defensive players. The price of discipline might be a gap in creativity—the ability to freelance—when the disciplined offense was momentarily checkmated.

Some of this could be seen in the difference between Jordan and Malone. Each had improved greatly after he entered the league, and each had the ability to carry his team night after night. But Jordan’s ability to create shots for himself, and thereby dominate at the end of big games when the defensive pressure on both sides had escalated significantly, was dramatically greater than Malone’s. Malone had improved year by year not only as a shooter but as someone who could pass out of the double team. Still, like most big, powerful men, he could not improvise nearly as well as Jordan, and he was very much dependent on teammates like Stockton to create opportunities for him. What the Chicago coaches, and Jordan himself, believed was that the Bulls would be able to limit Karl Malone in the fourth quarter of a tight game but that Utah would never be able to limit Michael Jordan, because of Jordan’s far greater creativity.

http://www.newyorker.com/archive/1998/12/21/1998_12_21_048_TNY_LIBRY_000017085?currentPage=all

Sookie
05-10-2011, 12:12 AM
All my teams are dropping like flies :(

I think Ray would actually be perfect. He can still score, and he's got a few good years left in him...pretty much the perfect amount of time to let PG develop behind him. Only thing is, I think he wants to retire a Celtic.

Sollozzo
05-10-2011, 12:22 AM
KG on 3 days rest was incredible in game 3. KG on 1 game rest was horrendous tonight. That's the difference right there. Well, that and the fact that Lebron had a fantastic game.

This game is a shame because I really think Boston wins this series had they won tonight. But oh well.

No way the Heat lose to the Bulls or Hawks. The Bulls one-man offensive show won't be able to beat the Heat in a series.

Hicks
05-10-2011, 12:28 AM
I also expect the Heat to take care of the Bulls fairly decisively.

The question is: Can OKC, MEM, or DAL beat Miami?

immortality
05-10-2011, 12:39 AM
I can see Dallas give a good match to Miami, especially with their depth.

Constellations
05-10-2011, 12:51 AM
Possible 2006 Finals Re-match.

vnzla81
05-10-2011, 12:53 AM
Memphis and Dallas, OKC is still to small for Miami.

Sookie
05-10-2011, 01:36 AM
I also expect the Heat to take care of the Bulls fairly decisively.

The question is: Can OKC, MEM, or DAL beat Miami?

I don't know, the Bulls have decent wing defenders, and the Bulls strengths (PG and the Post) are at places where the Heat are weak defensively.

xtacy
05-10-2011, 06:45 AM
i hope whoever comes from west beats heat.

ballism
05-10-2011, 07:59 AM
I love Dallas. But Memphis looks built to beat the Heat.

31andonly
05-10-2011, 08:36 AM
i hope whoever comes from west beats heat.
I hope whoever plays the Heat beats the Heat!

xtacy
05-10-2011, 08:59 AM
I hope whoever plays the Heat beats the Heat!

amen but i don't see any team in east that can.

Unclebuck
05-10-2011, 09:18 AM
I thought the intensity, effort and energy in game #4 was incredibly high. IMO the highest I've seen yet in a game coming from both teams. The play wasn't always pretty though.

Hicks
05-10-2011, 10:58 AM
I don't know, the Bulls have decent wing defenders, and the Bulls strengths (PG and the Post) are at places where the Heat are weak defensively.

Their post isn't that good. And they can put Wade on Rose.

If you think they'll stop Wade AND LeBron offensively, okay, but I don't.

The weakest link is Boozer shoving around Bosh, but Carlos just hasn't been that impressive when I've seen him.

Basketball Fan
05-10-2011, 12:01 PM
Possible 2006 Finals Re-match.

Hopefully with a different ending this time.

edc
05-10-2011, 12:43 PM
I dont think boston is out yet. They played it tough despite poor game from rondo and garnett.

15th parallel
05-10-2011, 12:46 PM
I don't know, the Bulls have decent wing defenders, and the Bulls strengths (PG and the Post) are at places where the Heat are weak defensively.

Wade can defend Rose. And they may try to switch Wade on Rose on offense also, reversing the scenario (Rose in many times get in foul trouble with quicker opponents). Anthony has established himself as a good defensive big man for the heat, and with the return of Haslem, they can easily disrupt the bigs of the Bulls.

I think Atlanta has a better advantage on the Heat with their athletic lineup on almost every position.

15th parallel
05-10-2011, 12:48 PM
I dont think boston is out yet. They played it tough despite poor game from rondo and garnett.

Allen and Pierce clicked to keep the game close. But for Boston to get back, all four of them must play more solid on offense, especially KG and Rondo, where they have an advantage against their matchups.

Sollozzo
05-10-2011, 01:20 PM
I dont think boston is out yet. They played it tough despite poor game from rondo and garnett.


But the problem is Rondo probably won't be much better tomorrow night. That's a rough injury and I doubt it gets much better. KG couldn't play any worse than he did last night though, so I guess there is some silver lining in that.

It's a shame, if Rondo's healthy then that's definitely enough to win them last night's game. And if this series was tied 2-2 then we would be in for an epic finish. If it's 2-2 with a healthy Rondo then I would take the Celts in game 5. Unfortunately, that's not the case.

I love the Celts, but I think this is too big of a mountain for them to climb. If they can somehow win game 5 then I'd maybe have a bit of faith with them returning to Boston for game 6. If they somehow tied it up, then yeah, Miami would probably be crapping their pants.

PaceBalls
05-10-2011, 01:31 PM
My hatred for the Celtics and KG in particular is making root for the Heat. Lebron not winning MVP is a travesty. DRose is good, but he is not on the same level as Lebron.

Sollozzo
05-10-2011, 01:43 PM
And God just how horrible is the trade looking now? Since Kristic doesn't even play, you essentially traded Perkins and Nate (who don't forget, was a spark off the bench during their run last year) for Jeff Green. Just a horrible trade. They certainly wouldn't have been going small down the stretch last night had Perk been around. Think, the Celtics were regulated to small ball last night. Prior to the trade, that would have been unfathomable.

If I were a Celtic fan, I don't think I could ever forgive Ainge.

Unclebuck
05-10-2011, 02:12 PM
Lebron not winning MVP is a travesty. DRose is good, but he is not on the same level as Lebron.

That isn't really the criteria of how the MVP is voted on. If they were voting on who the best player is, Michael Jordan would have won it about 12 straight years.

if you take Rose away frm the Bulls they win maybe 35 games. 62-35 = 27. So in theory Rose meant 27 games to the Biulls team. Take Lebron away from the Heat and they win at least 47 games with Bosh and Wade. So Lebron meant 10 games to the Heat (just using the numbers to proive the point) .

Plus the Bulls had the best record in the NBA which is remarkable when you look at their roster - so you get the coach of the year and the MVP from the Bulls.

If you ask the same voters who is better Rose or Lebron - 85% say Lebron. But I think Rose was more valuable to the Bulls than Lebron was to the Heat

Sollozzo
05-10-2011, 02:13 PM
Lebron was great like he always is, but did he do so much that he deserved three straight MVP's? Don't think so.

Unclebuck
05-10-2011, 02:15 PM
And God just how horrible is the trade looking now? Since Kristic doesn't even play, you essentially traded Perkins and Nate (who don't forget, was a spark off the bench during their run last year) for Jeff Green. Just a horrible trade. They certainly wouldn't have been going small down the stretch last night had Perk been around. Think, the Celtics were regulated to small ball last night. Prior to the trade, that would have been unfathomable.

If I were a Celtic fan, I don't think I could ever forgive Ainge.


I agree with you, although I think Jeff Green is a very nice player and he played very well in game #3.

Sollozzo
05-10-2011, 02:22 PM
I agree with you, although I think Jeff Green is a very nice player and he played very well in game #3.

He had 6 points, 2 board, a steal and a block. Did he play really good D or something? I can't remember.

Overall, he hasn't given them anything off the bench that Nate couldn't have.

I agree that he is a nice player and was very very solid in OKC. I think part of his problem is he's a little intimidated by the Celtics players which is understandable. He went from playing with a bunch of young dudes his age in OKC to being on a team anchored by 3 old HOF vets who had been to two NBA Finals. Plus, he knows all those guys hated the trade and wish they still had Perk instead of him. That has to be an awkward situation for him.

In the future, Green could be a nice player for the Celtics. But 2011 is all that should have mattered to Ainge as this was maybe the last opportunity to win a title with this core. Ainge failed miserably.

ballism
05-10-2011, 02:33 PM
I thought Green was pretty nice on D the last two games.
Perkins isn't lighting it up either. Although Perk would have at least given Wade a good shove after the Rondo injury. So there's that.

I think Heat are simply too good. Other than maybe the Lakers last year, I think these Celtics never faced a better team in the playoffs. They are doing fine all things considered. KG goes 2/10 instead of 1/10, and Celtics are 2:2. Very good for an aging banged up team, Perkins or no Perkins.

Unclebuck
05-10-2011, 02:46 PM
He had 6 points, 2 board, a steal and a block. Did he play really good D or something? I can't remember.

Overall, he hasn't given them anything off the bench that Nate couldn't have.

I agree that he is a nice player and was very very solid in OKC. I think part of his problem is he's a little intimidated by the Celtics players which is understandable. He went from playing with a bunch of young dudes his age in OKC to being on a team anchored by 3 old HOF vets who had been to two NBA Finals. Plus, he knows all those guys hated the trade and wish they still had Perk instead of him. That has to be an awkward situation for him.

In the future, Green could be a nice player for the Celtics. But 2011 is all that should have mattered to Ainge as this was maybe the last opportunity to win a title with this core. Ainge failed miserably.


Yes I agree. Coming onto the Celtics like he did when he did was really tough. He seems like a somewhat shy person (really nice guy) not that I am claiming to know him, so his transition onto the team from a basketball and a non-basketball standpoint I think has been really tough.

But yes his defense was excellent Saturday night. Green reminds me a little bit of Derrick McKey, you really don't notice what they do on the court until you look for it. Green makes a lot of little plays that help a team win.

But Ainge made a bad trade - although I don't think that is the reason they are losing this series. And yes the Celts miss Robinson a lot too. Plus Big Baby is playing horribly

Sollozzo
05-10-2011, 02:52 PM
Yes I agree. Coming onto the Celtics like he did when he did was really tough. He seems like a somewhat shy person (really nice guy) not that I am claiming to know him, so his transition onto the team from a basketball and a non-basketball standpoint I think has been really tough.

But yes his defense was excellent Saturday night. Green reminds me a little bit of Derrick McKey, you really don't notice what they do on the court until you look for it. Green makes a lot of little plays that help a team win.

But Ainge made a bad trade - although I don't think that is the reason they are losing this series. And yes the Celts miss Robinson a lot too. Plus Big Baby is playing horribly


Yes, it's definitely a combination of things. If Rondo is healthy then that alone is enough to push them over the top last night and we'd be looking at a 2-2 series and wouldn't be talking about this right now.

It's a combo of: Rondo injury, KG not being able to put solid back to back games up, Shaq being hurt and not able to give what he gave you early in the season, and the trade.

Basketball Fan
05-10-2011, 02:56 PM
Lebron was great like he always is, but did he do so much that he deserved three straight MVP's? Don't think so.

He won 2 straight MVPs 2009-2010

Sollozzo
05-10-2011, 02:59 PM
He won 2 straight MVPs 2009-2010



Right and had he won it this year it would have been three straight. My point was, was his play this year outstanding to the point where he deserved three straight MVP's, something that hasn't been done since Bird in the mid 80's.

Kid Minneapolis
05-10-2011, 03:12 PM
Back to the series... my observations so far is basically "Miami superstars are trumping Boston's better team." Which is pretty much what I expected. The Heat don't even really play better ball --- they just have 2 alpha males capable of going 1-on-5. They have a beta male in Bosh who just makes it even tougher. All three of those guys can generally get their shots off whenever they want. The combination is just lethal. They can (and do) mess up so much during the course of a game, and yet still win it on pure superstar power alone. LeBron and Wade are just.... ridiculous. I'd put both of those guys up against anyone in the league as best players in the league.

The Heat, to me, are a quandary, because they are over-powering everyone in the playoffs with just star power and I get the feeling they still aren't playing to their potential... and that's scary to think about.

That's pretty much what this is shaking down to. Boston is a great team, but their Big 3 is finally out-shone by another Big 3. I think Rondo being dinged up is the biggest factor in this series. I think he's just that important to the C's, and not having him at 100% is a huge blow, and I'm not sure they can cover it.

Sookie
05-10-2011, 06:01 PM
Their post isn't that good. And they can put Wade on Rose.

If you think they'll stop Wade AND LeBron offensively, okay, but I don't.

The weakest link is Boozer shoving around Bosh, but Carlos just hasn't been that impressive when I've seen him.

Forgot about the whole putting Wade on Rose thing :laugh:

But I think Rose will win that battle, because he won't be guarding Wade on the other side. Wade has to play well offensively in order for the Heat to win...and we want him to chase around Rose?

But I also think between Boozer shoving around Bosh (which, as much as Boozer hasn't played well, that won't work out well for Bosh) Noah being Noah, the Bulls Wing defenders being good that the Bulls match up really well.

Obviously having Lebron and Wade is an advantage. But if the Bulls play well, I actually think they'll win in, at least six (maybe 5)

Granted..I had the Lakers winning it all this year..:laugh:

ballism
05-10-2011, 06:36 PM
As for Rose and Wade. If the matchup goes wrong at some point, Wade can always fall on Rose's arm by accident.

Boozer has to wake up for Bulls to have a shot. He doesn't need to do much defensively. Noah can stay with Bosh. At least when Joel Anthony is in the game. But Boozer must produce on offense.

Miami should win this easily. Atlanta would actually seem like a harder matchup for the Heat. Still, can't see anyone in the East stopping them or even taking it past 6 games.

ilive4sports
05-11-2011, 08:50 PM
When Miami wants to play great defense, they are nothing short of incredible. I know a lot of people don't like defensive battles, but if you do, you have to love watching the Heat play defense.

mattie
05-11-2011, 08:53 PM
When Miami wants to play great defense, they are nothing short of incredible. I know a lot of people don't like defensive battles, but if you do, you have to love watching the Heat play defense.

I agree.

I'm not a fan of Wade and James, but I certainly appreciate how they have sindle handedly turned the Heat into an incredible defensive team. Those two work, and are somehow able to cover the entire court, and they even protect the rim. Just insane to see that from two wing players.

It's a travesty that Kobe was named to all defensive team over Wade.

pwee31
05-11-2011, 09:06 PM
I've never seen a team complain more about calls then the Big 3 of the Heat complain. Those 3 alone, complain more then ANY TEAM in the NBA

Sollozzo
05-11-2011, 09:11 PM
Classic gritty performance from the Celtics tonight. Green and West are playing great off the bench. The Big 3 have all played well.

If they can make it out of Miami with a win tonight then this series is all of the sudden very interesting again. I wouldn't bet on Boston losing two games in a row at home. If they win tonight then I think we're seeing the game 7 that everyone wanted.

shags
05-11-2011, 09:14 PM
Amazing stat: If the Heat hang on and win this series, it will be the first time since the ABA and NBA merged that 4 different teams will qualify for the conference finals from the previous season.

esabyrn333
05-11-2011, 09:23 PM
Has Troy Murphy played at all in the play offs? Must suck to realize when you finally get on a play off team your biggest stat is most DNPCD in a row

ilive4sports
05-11-2011, 09:26 PM
Apparently right around the 2 minute mark left in the 4th, LeBron is really good at big 3 point shots.

Shade
05-11-2011, 09:31 PM
Good riddance, Boston. May you and the Lakers enjoy a long stint in mediocrity.

vnzla81
05-11-2011, 09:31 PM
Is over, Chicago won't have a chance againts them either.

vnzla81
05-11-2011, 09:33 PM
The Bandwagon jumping fans are happy, what a joke.

xBulletproof
05-11-2011, 09:33 PM
Let me just say, I'm glad I'm not anti-Lebron like a lot of you. I think this team is winning it all.

Shade
05-11-2011, 09:34 PM
Is LeBron crying?

Sollozzo
05-11-2011, 09:34 PM
Miami is winning the championship

vnzla81
05-11-2011, 09:34 PM
Let me just say, I'm glad I'm not anti-Lebron like a lot of you. I think this team is winning it all.

Booo this man......

Shade
05-11-2011, 09:35 PM
Why are they acting like they've already won the championship?

vnzla81
05-11-2011, 09:35 PM
Is LeBron crying?

I think he is praying to himself.

righteouscool
05-11-2011, 09:36 PM
Lebron is just to good. They are going to crush Chicago and probably whoever comes out of the East.

Shade
05-11-2011, 09:36 PM
Has Troy Murphy played at all in the play offs? Must suck to realize when you finally get on a play off team your biggest stat is most DNPCD in a row

He played 3 minutes against the Knicks.

0 points, 1 rebound

Sollozzo
05-11-2011, 09:36 PM
Why are they acting like they've already won the championship?



Because Boston has stood in Lebron's way for years now. If he beats them, I think he knows he can beat anyone. Beating the Celtics is a huge deal for Lebron and Wade.

Kstat
05-11-2011, 09:36 PM
Why are they acting like they've already won the championship?

I'm not sure they win the next round, assuming Chicago advances. I don't see the Bulls packing it in every time Miami strings a few baskets in a row like Boston.

Philly put up a better fight than the Celtics did. Talk about a meltdown.

ilive4sports
05-11-2011, 09:37 PM
Why are they acting like they've already won the championship?

You have to remember, the Celtics have stopped LeBron and Wade in the playoffs the past couple of years. This is a huge win for these guys.

Of any team in the playoffs, I don't think any of them want to win as much as the Heat do.

DrFife
05-11-2011, 09:37 PM
Miami is winning the championship

Ick. No way. Dallas will take 'em.

Sollozzo
05-11-2011, 09:38 PM
I'm not sure they win the next round.

Philly put up a better fight than the Celtics did. Talk about a meltdown.



Yeah, Boston melted down at the end of these two games, no question about it. But with a health Rondo they at least win either game 4 or 5. A healthy Rondo would have been enough to get them over the hump on Monday.

Mr_Smith
05-11-2011, 09:38 PM
Now that is how a game is supposed to be closed out....unbelievable!

Shade
05-11-2011, 09:38 PM
I've been saying Miami would probably win the title since "The Decision."

With that said, I think Dallas would have a good shot against them. Chicago, OTOTH, has no chance.

Manguera
05-11-2011, 09:38 PM
Wow. Boston folded up like a cheap card table at the end.

Kstat
05-11-2011, 09:39 PM
I still think Chicago or Dallas would beat them. Boston has been in a funk since the Perkins trade and never really came out of it, with the exception of a gimmie series against Carmelo and a bunch of folding chairs.

Dece
05-11-2011, 09:39 PM
I'm not certain why, but I just feel like the Celtics are about to remember how old they are getting like the Spurs did and go down in flames.

Heat in a shockingly low 5.

I wouldn't normally pat my own back, but I got flamed for this prediction kind of randomly. So yea.

Shade
05-11-2011, 09:40 PM
Wow. Boston folded up like a cheap card table at the end.

They pulled a Pacers. :laugh:










...too soon? :runout:

King Tuts Tomb
05-11-2011, 09:40 PM
Chicago will put up more of a fight than people are expecting. No one thinks more highly of LeBron's games than I do but the Bulls are excellent at defending the rim and they have the best chance of turning Wade and LeBron into jump shooters.

I'll still take Miami to win the series and the title because I picked them before the season but I definitely don't expect it to be easy.

Sollozzo
05-11-2011, 09:40 PM
One thing you notice when Rondo isn't in there is just how important he is to making the Big 3 look good. They have a tough time when he isn't in there.

ilive4sports
05-11-2011, 09:41 PM
Yeah, Boston melted down at the end of these two games, no question about it. But with a health Rondo they at least win either game 4 or 5. A healthy Rondo would have been enough to get them over the hump on Monday.

They were down 0-2 before Rondo ever got hurt. Maybe they win another game, but they certainly don't take the series.

Miami is the better team, even when Rondo is healthy.

vnzla81
05-11-2011, 09:42 PM
Dallas and Memphis are the only teams I could see that have a chance to beat Miami.

Manguera
05-11-2011, 09:45 PM
They pulled a Pacers. :laugh:










...too soon? :runout:

At least the reason we lost was lack of experience. Boston can't use that excuse. They just caved.

vnzla81
05-11-2011, 09:50 PM
At least the reason we lost was lack of experience. Boston can't use that excuse. They just caved.

They had a good excuse and his name was Troy Murphy ;)

Manguera
05-11-2011, 09:54 PM
They had a good excuse and his name was Troy Murphy ;)

Touche'

pacer4ever
05-11-2011, 10:04 PM
At least the reason we lost was lack of experience. Boston can't use that excuse. They just caved.

thats not the only reason we lost

McKeyFan
05-11-2011, 10:04 PM
He played 3 minutes against the Knicks.

0 points, 1 stolen rebound
Fixed.

McKeyFan
05-11-2011, 10:06 PM
Ick. No way. Dallas will take 'em.

I could see Memphis going the whole way.

DemonHunter1105
05-11-2011, 10:11 PM
I hate to admit it, but I love watching Lebron be Lebron (the basketball player). He is just so good it is ridiculous. I could do without the whole whiny face after every time he drives and doesn't get a foul call...but whatever.

I can't really complain if they win it all, especially by beating the Celtics in the process.

Basketball Fan
05-11-2011, 10:16 PM
Like I said earlier in this thread

The only good thing about this series is that one of these teams is history...

Manguera
05-11-2011, 10:18 PM
thats not the only reason we lost

True. but it was the main reason IMO. Bad turnovers and poor execution down the stretch with leads don't typically happen to the more experienced team in a playoff game. Unless you're just old and gassed like the Celts. :D

vnzla81
05-11-2011, 10:19 PM
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_O6gN4kZnGl0/TB7D5sV1PoI/AAAAAAAAA8E/dwn2pEG6G8c/s1600/TofkM.jpg

Now is the right time :)

pacer4ever
05-11-2011, 10:20 PM
True. but it was the main reason IMO. Bad turnovers and poor execution down the stretch with leads don't typically happen to the more experienced team in a playoff game. Unless you're just old and gassed like the Celts. :D

That wasnt the main reason main reason being they are a better team and have more talent i mean they are the #1 seed. We did play good but Chicago isnt playing like they did in the regular season right now something is wrong with them.

Hicks
05-11-2011, 10:39 PM
Amazing stat: If the Heat hang on and win this series, it will be the first time since the ABA and NBA merged that 4 different teams will qualify for the conference finals from the previous season.

Aside from all of the great games, this is my favorite thing about this year's playoffs: Refreshingly different results than we've gotten used to seeing year after year.

Hicks
05-11-2011, 10:40 PM
Miami is winning the championship

Unfortunately, this is probably true. Still, any of Dallas, OKC, and Memphis could make it interesting. Dallas could get by with defense and hot shooting (they're loaded), OKC is obviously very talented, and then Memphis would beat the **** out of their front court.

Still, it's looking bleak if you'd prefer someone other than the Heat to win this tournament.

King Tuts Tomb
05-11-2011, 10:45 PM
Dallas dominated Miami in the regular season. The big loss to the Mavs led to the Heat players-only team meeting. Dirk has been un-guardable and Durant gave LeBron a TON of trouble the last time they played. Miami isn't cruising to the title, they've got two tough series ahead of them no matter who they play.

Basketball Fan
05-11-2011, 10:50 PM
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vnzla81
05-11-2011, 10:53 PM
I wonder what he was telling Dwest, maybe something like "my mom says hi"

ECKrueger
05-11-2011, 10:57 PM
I thought it was cool that West, Allen, and Rivers stuck around at least. Good sportsmanship from them.

Hicks
05-11-2011, 11:01 PM
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"Say high to your mother for me." [/Mark Wahlberg]

Sollozzo
05-11-2011, 11:32 PM
Going into the season, Boston had two big advantages over Miami:

1. Center play with Shaq, Perk, and JO.

Well, Shaq was a nice addition early on and then got hurt and couldn't give them anything else. Perk was traded. JO has been dinged all year

2. PG play

This gigantic advantage was ruined by the Rondo injury.

So at the end, it essentially became Big 3 vs. Big 3. And Miami's is in the prime of their careers and is much more athletic. They won that matchup.

King Tuts Tomb
05-11-2011, 11:40 PM
Going into the season, Boston had two big advantages over Miami:

1. Center play with Shaq, Perk, and JO.

Well, Shaq was a nice addition early on and then got hurt and couldn't give them anything else. Perk was traded. JO has been dinged all year

2. PG play

This gigantic advantage was ruined by the Rondo injury.

So at the end, it essentially became Big 3 vs. Big 3. And Miami's is in the prime of their careers and is much more athletic. They won that matchup.

Miami dominated Boston in the first two games with a healthy Rondo. Maybe if he doesn't get hurt it goes six games. Miami is just a better team with better players.

DaveP63
05-12-2011, 08:15 AM
Boston looked positively ancient and used up.

Ransom
05-12-2011, 10:37 PM
Do you wonder if the season was only 60 games long, with a shorter playoffs, that this series might have turned out differently?

I'm not sure, just throwing it out there.

Sollozzo
05-12-2011, 10:42 PM
Miami dominated Boston in the first two games with a healthy Rondo. Maybe if he doesn't get hurt it goes six games. Miami is just a better team with better players.



I get that the Celtics lost the first two games with Rondo. I'm not saying that a Celtic team with Rondo is incapable of being dominated by the Heat in select games. But Miami dominating them in games 1 and 2 certainly doesn't mean that Rondo wouldn't have made a difference in games 4 or 5.

How can anyone say that a healthy Rondo wouldn't have been enough to win game 4 for the Celtics, a game they barely lost? Think Rondo could have led to one extra basket in regulation? I do.

How can anyone say he wouldn't have made a big enough difference last night? I doubt Boston goes on that scoreless drought if a healthy Rondo is out there making offensive things happen. Last night, you clearly saw how important Rondo is to getting the rest of those guys open looks and baskets.

Miami has the better three right now, and that's what it came down to: Big 3 vs. Big 3. Clearly, Miami's Big 3 in their prime are better than the Celts aging Big 3. But when it's Big 3 plus Rondo vs. Miami Big 3, well then that's where it get's interesting. That's when Boston can beat them.

All I'm saying is, the Celtics demise is getting overblown. Injuries happen, and Rondo isn't the first star to go down in the playoffs, nor will be the last. But if he's healthy then this series goes 7.

What I said in the post you quoted me was correct. Boston's advantage over Miami, going into the season, was at the C and PG position. By the time this series rolled around, both of those ceased to exist either because of trades or injury.

ilive4sports
05-13-2011, 12:58 AM
I get that the Celtics lost the first two games with Rondo. I'm not saying that a Celtic team with Rondo is incapable of being dominated by the Heat in select games. But Miami dominating them in games 1 and 2 certainly doesn't mean that Rondo wouldn't have made a difference in games 4 or 5.

How can anyone say that a healthy Rondo wouldn't have been enough to win game 4 for the Celtics, a game they barely lost? Think Rondo could have led to one extra basket in regulation? I do.

How can anyone say he wouldn't have made a big enough difference last night? I doubt Boston goes on that scoreless drought if a healthy Rondo is out there making offensive things happen. Last night, you clearly saw how important Rondo is to getting the rest of those guys open looks and baskets.

Miami has the better three right now, and that's what it came down to: Big 3 vs. Big 3. Clearly, Miami's Big 3 in their prime are better than the Celts aging Big 3. But when it's Big 3 plus Rondo vs. Miami Big 3, well then that's where it get's interesting. That's when Boston can beat them.

All I'm saying is, the Celtics demise is getting overblown. Injuries happen, and Rondo isn't the first star to go down in the playoffs, nor will be the last. But if he's healthy then this series goes 7.

What I said in the post you quoted me was correct. Boston's advantage over Miami, going into the season, was at the C and PG position. By the time this series rolled around, both of those ceased to exist either because of trades or injury.

Playing the what if game isn't the best idea. Sure a healthy Rondo could have helped late in game four. But they may not have been in the same position with a healthy Rondo playing the whole game. The entire game would have played out differently.

The reason people are talking about the Big 3 being too old isn't just because of the Miami series. Its because of the way they played after Perkins got traded. They didn't play well. Even against the Knicks they got lucky that Amare was hurt. Then in games 1 and 2 with a healthy Rondo, Miami was clearly the dominant team.

Boston is done.