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Kaufman
04-26-2011, 10:25 PM
Awesome playoff series. I was enthused by watching our young team play for the last 9 or so days. And more so, the play since seeing Vogel take over. I think we have a nice young core. Danny, a player I am annoyed with, pulled it together a bit. Darren showed heart. I liked the tenacity of Hansborough. Hibbert..... was Hibbert. I'm excited about seeing the potential of Paul George. Best story to me was hearing about him working out at CF at 4 am. That is encouraging.

All that said, tomorrow and this month will be important to the shaping of our team. Will we see:

Larry Bird resign?
or will he say that he's equally excited and want to see the team grow atop his thrown?

Vogel extended and lose his interim status?
or will he lose his position with the team all together?

David Morway fired?
or retained?

Will we have players react positively to this season and growing as one?
or will they exhibit frustration and will some of the troubles of the season boil up - such as the blow up in the locker room a few months ago.

Will Lance Stephenson's status be addressed?

I think the dust may settle for a few days, but I think by the end of the week and Monday at the latest we will have a clear understanding of Larry's tenure and future with the team. At the same time, I wouldn't put it past the team to announce tomorrow that he is going to resign.

Could we even hear of plans for Larry to acquire the team?


I think the above are all possibilities for the next days. Thoughts? How quickly will the dominoes fall?

smj887
04-26-2011, 10:33 PM
It's going to be an interesting summer. I hope Vogel stays, but even if Bird sticks around, I'm not so sure.

I don't think there's any concern over frustration over the season. I don't think there's any way that any of the players can be frustrated with how the season ended. Regardless of the fact that they only won a single game in the postseason, they should realize that they gave the Bulls hell for 4 of those games and be proud of it. They should definitely use it as motivation to come together as a group and learn to close games out, though.

Is Larry acquiring the team even a possibility? I've seen the idea mentioned a few times before, but does he have the capital? Or does the Larry buying the team bit assume that he forms a team to buy the Pacers?

itscaleb
04-26-2011, 10:39 PM
I'm exciting to see what happens this off season roster wise, what trades, signings and acquisitions are made. Should be exciting.

Kaufman
04-26-2011, 10:41 PM
does anyone see bird resigning tomorrow?

Kaufman
04-26-2011, 10:50 PM
i feel like the set up is bird to resign tomorrow

Unclebuck
04-26-2011, 11:03 PM
I could see him resign, but probably not tomorrow, maybe thursday or Friday if he is going to do it

Justin Tyme
04-26-2011, 11:08 PM
It's going to be an interesting summer. I hope Vogel stays, but even if Bird sticks around, I'm not so sure.

I don't think there's any concern over frustration over the season. I don't think there's any way that any of the players can be frustrated with how the season ended. Regardless of the fact that they only won a single game in the postseason, they should realize that they gave the Bulls hell for 4 of those games and be proud of it. They should definitely use it as motivation to come together as a group and learn to close games out, though.

Is Larry acquiring the team even a possibility? I've seen the idea mentioned a few times before, but does he have the capital? Or does the Larry buying the team bit assume that he forms a team to buy the Pacers?


Bird doesn't have the money to buy the Pacers himself. If Bird is to be ownership, it will take a group headed by Bird.

Justin Tyme
04-26-2011, 11:11 PM
I could see him resign, but probably not tomorrow, maybe thursday or Friday if he is going to do it


That sounds feasible, but my guess it would be after the Pacers have their end of season meeting with each player.

Kaufman
04-26-2011, 11:12 PM
I could see him resign, but probably not tomorrow, maybe thursday or Friday if he is going to do it

yeah. he knows totally what is going to happen. and this degree of silence...... is deafening.

i can't believe it but i am really concerned, 70/30 that he will step down.

cdash
04-26-2011, 11:25 PM
I don't know but I'm bored already.

Haywoode Workman
04-26-2011, 11:27 PM
bird doesn't strike me as the business man type, no chance he buys the team. i think he'll stay, though. he was already hinting that he'd be back, and that was before the impressive performance.

i think we'll see a lot of improvement by lance and an increased role for him next year.

i'd predict that we won't see any of the expiring contracts being picked up, except for jeff if he wants to return. i also think posey will either retire or find a new home. i don't see him being a pacer next year. either rush or dunleavy will be gone, but not both. bye solo, and j-mac is probably 50-50. i'd like to see him stay, but i just think he's a cool guy, so i may be bias.

i'm 75% sure vogel will be back. a lot of the national guys are saying it would be silly not to bring him back. i want the team to explore every option though.

all of our main pieces will remain. roy needs to get tougher, plain and simple. not necessarily bigger, but tougher. strength will come with age. i think we see a huge increase in paul george's role and i'm still confident that darren collison is our pg of the future. for me, our biggest hole is at PF. i love tyler, but he needs to come off the bench. zach randolf, nene, david west, josh smith, boris diaw, kenyon martin, kris humphries, in no particular order, are all somewhat realistic options.

i would also love to sign either jamal crawford or shannon brown.

and thats all i have to say about that.

vnzla81
04-26-2011, 11:28 PM
I don't know but I'm bored already.

I know why .................... :console:

Kaufman
04-26-2011, 11:30 PM
I don't know but I'm bored already.

at least it looks like peyton will be in place this fall.

Kaufman
04-26-2011, 11:33 PM
Bird - he's tried to lead or be involved in multiple ownership attempts in the past - most notably the bobcats.

Lance - I don't think he'll be on the team, honestly. But I think he's a total shame. Sad story here.

Posey - I can't see him or anyone leaving money on the table. So he'll be here unless we package him.

Vogel - I agree with you. Exhaust options but really need to have a great alternative if we let him go.


bird doesn't strike me as the business man type, no chance he buys the team. i think he'll stay, though. he was already hinting that he'd be back, and that was before the impressive performance.

i think we'll see a lot of improvement by lance and an increased role for him next year.

i'd predict that we won't see any of the expiring contracts being picked up, except for jeff if he wants to return. i also think posey will either retire or find a new home. i don't see him being a pacer next year. either rush or dunleavy will be gone, but not both. bye solo, and j-mac is probably 50-50. i'd like to see him stay, but i just think he's a cool guy, so i may be bias.

i'm 75% sure vogel will be back. a lot of the national guys are saying it would be silly not to bring him back. i want the team to explore every option though.

all of our main pieces will remain. roy needs to get tougher, plain and simple. not necessarily bigger, but tougher. strength will come with age. i think we see a huge increase in paul george's role and i'm still confident that darren collison is our pg of the future. for me, our biggest hole is at PF. i love tyler, but he needs to come off the bench. zach randolf, nene, david west, josh smith, boris diaw, kenyon martin, kris humphries, in no particular order, are all somewhat realistic options.

i would also love to sign either jamal crawford or shannon brown.

and thats all i have to say about that.

cdash
04-26-2011, 11:34 PM
I know why .................... :console:

...why?

Justin Tyme
04-26-2011, 11:35 PM
Pacers are now able to start to trade with any other team not still in the playoffs until July 1. I don't expect to see any trades until after the playoffs are over... closer to the draft.

vnzla81
04-26-2011, 11:39 PM
...why?

that you are sad because somebody that you love is leaving........ ;)

Jared Sullinger
04-26-2011, 11:47 PM
I wanna see us go all-in in trying to land a secondary legitimate star or someone on the brink of stardom.

Hicks
04-27-2011, 12:25 AM
I'm slow-burn-excited to see how things shape up from the president, general manager, head coach, his staff, and ultimately the roster. There could be a ton of changes in the next few months. Hopefully, whatever they are, it results in a better team with a brighter future.

I would imagine we'll know about Bird's decision fairly quickly, and of course either way that might have a domino effect, at least down to the GM and the coaches.

Players changes, I think, will lie in wait. I don't know how willing or anxious teams will be to make moves during this draft with the new CBA looming. For all I know, it will make everyone's rear-ends pucker up and no one does much of anything other than make their draft selections.

Then we have this ominous lockout waiting, and obviously that freezes the player movement until it's over. Really sucks. Waiting would have been hard enough this summer just to see what moves we try to or actually do make, but now it could be twice or three times the wait.

Bball
04-27-2011, 12:46 AM
The Bird situation is really a wildcard because depending on how that goes it could change other things as well (namely coaching options).

Considering this team went with Jim O'Brien heading into 4 seasons it's hard to imagine how Vogel doesn't earn some more time.

Also, for a team not bringing in a lot of money it's hard to think Vogel would be an overly expensive option.

And lastly, we're known as a team that's loyal, perhaps loyal to a fault sometimes, to people in the organization. After what Vogel has done just that fact alone has me wondering whether we'd really kick Vogel to the curb following him turning the team around, posting a winning record (which was necessary to make the playoffs), bringing a breath of fresh air to the franchise, and then giving the Bulls one of the toughest 5 game playoffs they could never have expected.

I think Morway will be gone no matter what happens with the other things.

I also have to wonder about whether a team hurting for dollars really needs 2 people in the front office serving the same role (or splitting duties when one person could do it all). That might also play a factor in what happens with Bird because if Morway is gone, even if Bird leans towards staying does Simon prefer an executive that can handle all the management duties and is that Bird?

I will say this... this offseason... even with all these question marks... feels MUCH better than recent offseasons!

:woot:

BillS
04-27-2011, 01:49 PM
The is one of THE threads where the difference between resign and re-sign is significant.

Are you guys saying you think Bird will sign a new contract or that he'll leave before his contract is formally up to give a new guy time to come in before the lockout?

Unclebuck
04-27-2011, 01:54 PM
The is one of THE threads where the difference between resign and re-sign is significant.

Are you guys saying you think Bird will sign a new contract or that he'll leave before his contract is formally up to give a new guy time to come in before the lockout?


That drives me crazy, I wish people would use resign and re-sign correctly

I have no feel what Bird is going to do, nothing will surprise me

Justin Tyme
04-27-2011, 02:16 PM
That drives me crazy, I wish people would use resign and re-sign correctly




It's not like Anthem didn't point out the differences this year. For me it's the words then and than, and I'm amazed how many good posters use them incorrectly.

Unclebuck
04-27-2011, 02:35 PM
Did anyone hear Wells on Dakich's show about 30 minutes ago? I only caught the very, very end. I know there is no news, but I was just wondering if Wells talked about the timetable on Bird's decision

Kaufman
04-27-2011, 02:41 PM
I meant resign as in leave the team. And I am concerned that this is imminent. I don't want it to happen but the silence is bothersome.

Trader Joe
04-27-2011, 02:44 PM
I just know that if we hire Mike Brown after seeing Vogel inspire more with much, much, much, much less, I'm going on a downtown killing spree.

Unclebuck
04-27-2011, 02:49 PM
I just know that if we hire Mike Brown after seeing Vogel inspire more with much, much, much, much less, I'm going on a downtown killing spree.


I would advise against that.

But lets say Bird doesn't want to come back, and either does Morway and a new GM comes in and he wants to hire lets say Mike Brown because they have worked together in the past, Brown is his coach they have a similar philosophy. You don't think in that scenerio it would be smart to have the GM and coach working in the same direction? I sure do.

CooperManning
04-27-2011, 04:16 PM
I tend to think silence from Bird is a positive sign for him coming back. It seems like if he was leaving, he'd pull the band-aid and get it over with. I expect we'll know the answer by friday.

vnzla81
04-27-2011, 04:22 PM
I think they said on the radio that The pacers are going to have a press conference tomorrow morning(I think is at 10am)

Sookie
04-27-2011, 04:26 PM
Did anyone hear Wells on Dakich's show about 30 minutes ago? I only caught the very, very end. I know there is no news, but I was just wondering if Wells talked about the timetable on Bird's decision

Said he's essentially unsure on Bird.
Said TJ, Solo, Josh, Dun are all unlikely to return. Said they'll try and get rid of Brandon and Posey. Also said that Larry Bird was unhappy with Dahntay..he apparently has too big of a personality and has too big of an influence on some of the younger guys. Said Larry is still in love with Lance. But also said there's some concern if there is a lockout and Stephenson gets to go back to NYC unsupervised.

Said Vogel is probably the leading candidate for two reasons. 1. The playoffs and how the players performed. And 2. For financial reasons, once again..with the possibility of a lockout...

Kaufman
04-27-2011, 05:18 PM
10 am presser????

sounds bad to me.

Scot Pollard
04-27-2011, 05:22 PM
Sounds like if none of the free agents are retuning, Bird and the FO have something in mind.

Maybe not this summer, but the 2012 summer. Hopefully to get Eric Gordon.

pacer4ever
04-27-2011, 05:48 PM
Said he's essentially unsure on Bird.
Said TJ, Solo, Josh, Dun are all unlikely to return. Said they'll try and get rid of Brandon and Posey. Also said that Larry Bird was unhappy with Dahntay..he apparently has too big of a personality and has too big of an influence on some of the younger guys. Said Larry is still in love with Lance. But also said there's some concern if there is a lockout and Stephenson gets to go back to NYC unsupervised.

Said Vogel is probably the leading candidate for two reasons. 1. The playoffs and how the players performed. And 2. For financial reasons, once again..with the possibility of a lockout...

All of this is great news to me. he also said they are gonna do anything they can to get OJ Mayo. on Dan Dakich

idioteque
04-27-2011, 06:06 PM
Said he's essentially unsure on Bird.
Said TJ, Solo, Josh, Dun are all unlikely to return. Said they'll try and get rid of Brandon and Posey. Also said that Larry Bird was unhappy with Dahntay..he apparently has too big of a personality and has too big of an influence on some of the younger guys. Said Larry is still in love with Lance. But also said there's some concern if there is a lockout and Stephenson gets to go back to NYC unsupervised.

Said Vogel is probably the leading candidate for two reasons. 1. The playoffs and how the players performed. And 2. For financial reasons, once again..with the possibility of a lockout...

Interesting, thanks for posting this.

Larry's infatuation with Lance reminds me of the two year crush in high school I had on a girl I had no chance with: you just have to give it up. If you're that worried about Lance going back to NYC unsupervised, he's not worth investing any of your future in at all, period, end of story.

I am find with all the guys who are probably leaving actually leaving. Hicks had it right in his post that Josh and Tyler are both backup power forwards, and of the two, Tyler is probably the better player. Josh is a decent player but given the makeup of the roster he's an unnecessary luxury. His salary needs to go to a more apparent need.

I don't know what to think of Larry's comments on Dahntay. Maybe was the ringleader behind the big party the other night? Is it possible that Dahntay is inherently a party animal, while our young players are inherently hard workers, and that Larry is afraid Dahntay is having a negative impact on their work ethic?

idioteque
04-27-2011, 06:10 PM
I would advise against that.

But lets say Bird doesn't want to come back, and either does Morway and a new GM comes in and he wants to hire lets say Mike Brown because they have worked together in the past, Brown is his coach they have a similar philosophy. You don't think in that scenerio it would be smart to have the GM and coach working in the same direction? I sure do.

Within your scenario is the assumption that we bring in the Cleveland Cavaliers front office that craft a supporting cast around Lebron. I would be sickened by that whole situation personally.

Sookie
04-27-2011, 06:42 PM
Interesting, thanks for posting this.

Larry's infatuation with Lance reminds me of the two year crush in high school I had on a girl I had no chance with: you just have to give it up. If you're that worried about Lance going back to NYC unsupervised, he's not worth investing any of your future in at all, period, end of story.

I am find with all the guys who are probably leaving actually leaving. Hicks had it right in his post that Josh and Tyler are both backup power forwards, and of the two, Tyler is probably the better player. Josh is a decent player but given the makeup of the roster he's an unnecessary luxury. His salary needs to go to a more apparent need.

I don't know what to think of Larry's comments on Dahntay. Maybe was the ringleader behind the big party the other night? Is it possible that Dahntay is inherently a party animal, while our young players are inherently hard workers, and that Larry is afraid Dahntay is having a negative impact on their work ethic?

Well, the comment from Wells about Bird/Dahntay was interesting.

Because it was "not all good." Wells pretty much said that Dahntay is an extreme alpha, always thinks he's right ect..I think he tries to be a really good teammate (an example that sticks out was when discussing the lockout, Dahntay was talking about how he was trying to help the younger guys out in explaining how they should handle their money..)

Dahntay strikes me as a hard worker though. So I doubt that's the issue. (I could be wrong though) It sounded like the problem was with Dahntay's personality/attitude. Maybe Larry blames Dahntay for Lance's personality problems.

pacer4ever
04-27-2011, 06:45 PM
Well, the comment from Wells about Bird/Dahntay was interesting.

Because it was "not all good." Wells pretty much said that Dahntay is an extreme alpha, always thinks he's right ect..I think he tries to be a really good teammate (an example that sticks out was when discussing the lockout, Dahntay was talking about how he was trying to help the younger guys out in explaining how they should handle their money..)

Dahntay strikes me as a hard worker though. So I doubt that's the issue. (I could be wrong though) It sounded like the problem was with Dahntay's personality/attitude. Maybe Larry blames Dahntay for Lance's personality problems.

Dantay acts like Kobe but doesnt play like him thats a big problem

Trophy
04-27-2011, 06:49 PM
Well, the comment from Wells about Bird/Dahntay was interesting.

Because it was "not all good." Wells pretty much said that Dahntay is an extreme alpha, always thinks he's right ect..I think he tries to be a really good teammate (an example that sticks out was when discussing the lockout, Dahntay was talking about how he was trying to help the younger guys out in explaining how they should handle their money..)

Dahntay strikes me as a hard worker though. So I doubt that's the issue. (I could be wrong though) It sounded like the problem was with Dahntay's personality/attitude. Maybe Larry blames Dahntay for Lance's personality problems.

Exactly.

Dahntay tries to be some kind of star on this team, but is no where near there.

He's never been an offensive specialist, but always great on the defensive end which is why he was brought in.

He's very selfish and likes to try and be like Kobe and it's pretty annoying because he can barely shoot.

I like his hustle and aggresive energy, but being an alfa on this team can hurt us on the offensive end.

El Pacero
04-27-2011, 07:09 PM
The one thing I know that happens this week is Darren Collison will be taking two whole days off before starting to train for next season.


IamD2C: Worst part now packing, heading back to cali to train no days off...

IamThaKing25: @IamD2C bro take a week off

IamD2C: @IamThaKing25 2 days that's it..

dlewyus
04-27-2011, 07:11 PM
Interesting, thanks for posting this.

Larry's infatuation with Lance reminds me of the two year crush in high school I had on a girl I had no chance with: you just have to give it up. If you're that worried about Lance going back to NYC unsupervised, he's not worth investing any of your future in at all, period, end of story.

I am find with all the guys who are probably leaving actually leaving. Hicks had it right in his post that Josh and Tyler are both backup power forwards, and of the two, Tyler is probably the better player. Josh is a decent player but given the makeup of the roster he's an unnecessary luxury. His salary needs to go to a more apparent need.

I don't know what to think of Larry's comments on Dahntay. Maybe was the ringleader behind the big party the other night? Is it possible that Dahntay is inherently a party animal, while our young players are inherently hard workers, and that Larry is afraid Dahntay is having a negative impact on their work ethic?

What party? Did I miss something?

Kaufman
04-27-2011, 09:59 PM
dahntay strikes me as the type of guy who wears the #1 jersey so as to stroke his ego.

idioteque
04-28-2011, 12:29 AM
The one thing I know that happens this week is Darren Collison will be taking two whole days off before starting to train for next season.

Haha, there is a reason why one of those guys will be on the Pacers next year and the other will not.