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Peck
04-26-2011, 03:12 AM
Bob is all sunshine and roses in this playoff coverage. TV locally may not be getting on it enough but at least the star has done a good job with this series.

http://www.indystar.com/article/20110426/SPORTS04/104260316/1062/SPORTS04/When-season-ends-won-t-good-riddance

The last time the Indiana Pacers were in the playoffs, and that would be the 2005-06 season for you amnesiacs, the team and its scandal-weary fans were eager for the season to end. Nobody liked that team, and nobody on that team liked one another. After a Game 6 home loss to the New Jersey Nets, we were all ready to pack up and go on vacation.

"I think the culture has to change," former point guard Anthony Johnson said that night.

This time, we're not ready for it to end. This time, the Pacers have a team worth supporting and celebrating, a team growing by the day. This time, we don't want to see them run out of time, not when things are just starting to get interesting.

Conventional wisdom says the Chicago Bulls end this series tonight, but I've been employing conventional wisdom throughout this matchup, and it hasn't worked for me yet. My pre-series prediction was Bulls in five, but this isn't the kind of Bulls-in-five any of us expected.

In other words, it wouldn't shock me to see this series return to Conseco Fieldhouse for a Game 6.

If it ends tonight, though, I'm going to miss a bunch of things:

I'm going to miss the yapping we've been hearing from Chicago.

During and after Game 4, former Bulls Scottie Pippen and Stacey King called for their Bulls to retaliate against the Pacers for the hard fouls they've committed. "It's an eye for an eye," Pippen said.

And some of the Chicago media has walked in lockstep. One Tribune columnist wrote that Jeff Foster, who has knocked down several Bulls, graduated *** laude from "the University of Stupid." Another radio-station blogger called Foster "a hoodlum" and characterized Tyler Hansbrough as a "flailing weirdo."

Seriously, compared to the old Pistons, or the Lakers versus the Celtics during the 1980s, Pacers-Bulls is a game of checkers.

Two words:

Playoff. Basketball.

I'm going to miss interim coach Frank Vogel's news conferences.

He hasn't just been a star on the court, he has been a star off it as well. He has been equal parts Norman Vincent Peale and The Rock, pumping up his team with happy talk and daily affirmations.

He said this after Game 4:

"This is the scrappiest team I've ever seen. Not just the scrappiest team I've ever worked with or been around, but the scrappiest team ever."

Ever?

He is the king of giddy overstatement, but after fired coach Jim O'Brien, that's not necessarily a bad thing. Let's face it: Obie could make you feel bad about winning the lottery.

I'll miss watching the different tactics the Pacers employ to harass Derrick Rose.

The crazy thing is, he won those first three games for the Bulls with his late-game heroics, but you look at the statistics, he has needed a ton of shots to get his numbers. They've trapped and taken the ball out of his hands. They've thrown Paul George at him. They've put Dahntay Jones in his path -- which makes me wonder why Jones didn't play in Chicago in those first two games.

I'll miss the Luv-a-Bulls.

But that's just me.

I'll miss the teeth-gnashing in the Chicago media, where every story has the same general approach: "Sure, the Bulls are winning, but why aren't they winning by more or winning more impressively? WHAT'S WRONG WITH THE BULLS!!??''

Shoot, here in Indiana, we're ready to throw the Pacers a parade for keeping it close. (Although that's going to change next year, when expectations come.)

I'll miss watching this team's remarkable and sudden growth spurt, and miss watching Vogel grow alongside it.

With each passing day, it becomes more difficult to argue that Vogel should not be the coach next year and the years beyond.

Emotionally and strategically, he has turned this team around, and he has done it in what seems like five minutes.

"Right from the beginning, we made some subtle changes those first two or three weeks, and every two days we had a fairly big change in our style or something we added," Vogel said Monday. "There was a series of small steps from the time I took over."

He was asked, was there a point when he felt like his team really got it under his tutelage?

"Maybe the New York game (a Pacers victory March 13 at Madison Square Garden that broke a six-game losing streak) where we caught ourselves," he said. "Everybody was talking about how the newness had worn off, we had lost a few in a row and people were saying now they were going back to being the same, old Pacers.

"Our guys kind of rallied around that. We beat the Knicks back-to-back, we beat the Bulls that week, and probably that's where we started to believe it was real and not just a honeymoon period."

More than anything, I'll miss basketball that matters -- more specifically, Pacers basketball that matters.

This has been a fun little ride.

And it's too soon to get off.

Bob Kravitz is a columnist for The Indianapolis Star. Call him at (317) 444-6643 or email bob.kravitz@indystar.com. Follow Bob on Twitter at @bkravitz.

Bball
04-26-2011, 03:47 AM
...Exactly right on the mark...

Day-V
04-26-2011, 03:52 AM
Great column, as always.

Kemo
04-26-2011, 03:56 AM
Another radio-station blogger called Foster "a hoodlum" and characterized Tyler Hansbrough as a "flailing weirdo."



HAHAHA! Damn him.. I literally was taking a big gulp of code red dew , and bursted out laughing at the same time, gasping for breath after dousing my monitor with spray out of my mouth and nose....

That is some very funny chit .. ROFLMFAO "Flailing Weirdo" ... that's great ..

KingGeorge
04-26-2011, 03:57 AM
This was a great article but also sad.

Everyone is excited about Pacers basketball again, and I don't want the season to end (at least not this early).

Lets just keep winning and make it to the finals. :)

CableKC
04-26-2011, 03:58 AM
Who wrote this article?

Cuz I don't recognize who this Bob person is. Done sound like any Indy writer I know.

Day-V
04-26-2011, 04:19 AM
Who wrote this article?

Cuz I don't recognize who this Bob person is. Done sound like any Indy writer I know.


I actually think he's been pretty positive about Frank since he took over and the rest of the young guys.

mattie
04-26-2011, 05:11 AM
It's unbelievable to read Kravitz write in a positive manner. But cool thoujgh

Constellations
04-26-2011, 05:35 AM
Makes Mike Wells look like a push-over.

Will Galen
04-26-2011, 06:32 AM
Great column, as always.

No, not as always. The last couple have been the exception to the rule!

daschysta
04-26-2011, 06:48 AM
Actually a really well written and uncharacteristically optimistic article.

Kudos.

pianoman
04-26-2011, 07:11 AM
SUNSHINER ARTICLE FROM KRAVITZ?!?!?!?!



















Hell: It's frozen over.

Major Cold
04-26-2011, 08:15 AM
I simply can't buy that this turn of tone is from Bob...

DocHolliday
04-26-2011, 08:25 AM
He commissioned a PD sunshiner to write for him while he's on vacation.

BRushWithDeath
04-26-2011, 08:42 AM
Kravitz has always been a great writer.

You may not always, or even often, agree with what he's saying but that doesn't mean he's not a great columnist. Far better than he gets credit for.

Mackey_Rose
04-26-2011, 09:02 AM
I don't know if you guys noticed, but Kravitz hasn't had a whole lot of sunshine to write about the last several years.

Give him a good product, and he'll probably write about good stuff.

Trader Joe
04-26-2011, 09:09 AM
I don't want it to end either...which makes me wonder why the Pacers players were out partying last night.

Professor S
04-26-2011, 09:16 AM
I don't want it to end either...which makes me wonder why the Pacers players were out partying last night.

What's the source on this? Some guy El Pacero retweeted. Not saying it isn't true but I'd like more details/credible sources. Also it's different if Ford/Posey/Solo are partying vs. Collison/Hibbert/Granger. You got a better source or more info?

Trader Joe
04-26-2011, 09:17 AM
I'll take his word for it, no reason for some guy in Chicago to randomly tweet about the Pacers being out drinking.

Tom White
04-26-2011, 09:18 AM
I don't want it to end either...which makes me wonder why the Pacers players were out partying last night.

Got a link or anything?

Professor S
04-26-2011, 09:19 AM
I'll take his word for it, no reason for some guy in Chicago to randomly tweet about the Pacers being out drinking.

Yeah, because Bulls fans haven't been known to try to provoke/upset Pacers fans at all...

BillS
04-26-2011, 09:20 AM
I think I want a Kool-Aid Man smiley with Bob's face...

:kravitz:

Trader Joe
04-26-2011, 09:22 AM
Got a link or anything?

Check ElPacero's twitter...

Trader Joe
04-26-2011, 09:23 AM
Yeah, because Bulls fans haven't been known to try to provoke/upset Pacers fans at all...

Well, if you want to believe our team is full of saints be my guest...However, one of the tweets named specific players.

Professor S
04-26-2011, 09:24 AM
Well, if you want to believe our team is full of saints be my guess...However, one of the tweets named specific players.

I apparently did not see that one. I know our team isn't full of saints but I also am intelligent enough to question sources. Do you have a link to the tweet that named names?

Trader Joe
04-26-2011, 09:27 AM
http://twitter.com/#!/LOU_BAKER/status/62747840375554048

Professor S
04-26-2011, 09:31 AM
http://twitter.com/#!/LOU_BAKER/status/62747840375554048

Fair enough. Assuming it is true, I'm a lot less worried about Stephenson out doing shots till 2 AM than I am Granger. I'll just hope that any regular contributors showed some self-control I suppose. If it's true it is a bit worrisome.

Trader Joe
04-26-2011, 09:32 AM
The fact that D. Jones, Rush, and Price were even out at a club last night AT ALL is a serious red flag to me. Go out drinking after tonight's game, plus it's not like Chicago is that great of a party town.

BillS
04-26-2011, 09:36 AM
It never ceases to amaze me how much we can read into 140 character one-liners.

The tweet does NOT say they're boozing it up or getting wild or into fights or "partying" in more illegal ways.

This isn't like they are staying out late and have to be up at 7 am to get to work. Considering their normal workday doesn't end until midnight, you have to remember their times are shifted and this is really no more than a slightly later night for them.

I trust them to be disciplined enough to not have gotten sh*tfaced and play all hungover tonight.

daschysta
04-26-2011, 09:37 AM
The fact that D. Jones, Rush, and Price were even out at a club last night AT ALL is a serious red flag to me. Go out drinking after tonight's game, plus it's not like Chicago is that great of a party town.

Chicago has a great nightlife, particularly when compared to Indianapolis. These are grown men, I trust that they know not to get hungover for todays game. It's not like the team hasn't been busting it's *** off.

avoidingtheclowns
04-26-2011, 10:04 AM
It never ceases to amaze me how much we can read into 140 character one-liners.

The tweet does NOT say they're boozing it up or getting wild or into fights or "partying" in more illegal ways.

I assume TJ is saying this because of the few people tweeting (http://twitter.com/#!/ElPacero/status/62752919379918848) about buying the Pacers shots. Obviously the leap from random tweets to actual proof of consumption is fairly significant.


This isn't like they are staying out late and have to be up at 7 am to get to work. Considering their normal workday doesn't end until midnight, you have to remember their times are shifted and this is really no more than a slightly later night for them.

I trust them to be disciplined enough to not have gotten sh*tfaced and play all hungover tonight.

Yup.

Also, if you look at Lou Baker's previous tweets, it appears to be a playoff viewing party hosted by Kelvin Hayden. So, even the partying was (albeit loosely) semi-employment related.


http://yfrog.com/h2bygedj Kelvin Hayden's PRIVATE Playoff Viewing Party 2morrow @MEZE! {205 N. Peoria} FREE ENTRY w/RSVP! DM ME 4 GUESTLIST!
24 Apr

MEET ME @ *MEZE* NOW! SPURS/GRIZZLIES & MAVERICKS/TRAIL BLAZERS on the BIG SCREENS! GREAT FOOD/GOOD MUSIC, BEAUTIFUL PPL! PARTY til 2AM! RT
12 hours ago

DAHNTAY JONES, DESHAWN STEVENSON, AJ PRICE, BRANDON RUSH & MORE of THE INDIANA PACERS in #MEZE! GET HERE, WE PARTY til 2AM!
8 hours ago

http://twitter.com/#!/LOU_BAKER

Professor S
04-26-2011, 10:06 AM
It never ceases to amaze me how much we can read into 140 character one-liners.

The tweet does NOT say they're boozing it up or getting wild or into fights or "partying" in more illegal ways.

This isn't like they are staying out late and have to be up at 7 am to get to work. Considering their normal workday doesn't end until midnight, you have to remember their times are shifted and this is really no more than a slightly later night for them.

I trust them to be disciplined enough to not have gotten sh*tfaced and play all hungover tonight.

This is all true. Also, I could tweet that Derrick Rose has turned to narcotics to control the pain from his ankle injury (which he likely has). There's a vast difference between taking Vicodin under the team physician's supervision and mainlining heroin.

Basketball Fan
04-26-2011, 10:17 AM
Well the NFL lockout (that was in effect) has caused writers to find something else to talk about.

CooperManning
04-26-2011, 10:17 AM
Anyone bother to look up the place they were at? It's a Tapas restaurant/lounge that also has a DJ. They were probably just eating.

BillS
04-26-2011, 10:24 AM
I assume TJ is saying this because of the few people tweeting (http://twitter.com/#!/ElPacero/status/62752919379918848) about buying the Pacers shots. Obviously the leap from random tweets to actual proof of consumption is fairly significant.

Yeah, I have been in a lot of situations where people bought shots for my whole table and I've palmed mine off (I'm a beer drinker, I don't do shots).

Not enough information to reach a conclusion either way, though if we lose tonight I suppose that will be the post hoc ergo propter hoc (http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/post-hoc.html) smoking gun for a lot of people.

Peck
04-26-2011, 12:13 PM
Why is this even an issue? The party ended at 2. Pre-game film and shootaround isn't even till 11. These guys all take afternoon naps anyway.

We don't know what time they left, what they drank or how much.

Did we all think they were going to have a team dinner at 6 followed by a reading of poetry by Solomon Jones then a puppet show by Ford & Posey. Everyone would then adjourn to their rooms by 8 p.m. and have an intensive hour of Bible reading before going to sleep?

graphic-er
04-26-2011, 12:23 PM
Why is this even an issue? The party ended at 2. Pre-game film and shootaround isn't even till 11. These guys all take afternoon naps anyway.

We don't know what time they left, what they drank or how much.

Did we all think they were going to have a team dinner at 6 followed by a reading of poetry by Solomon Jones then a puppet show by Ford & Posey. Everyone would then adjourn to their rooms by 8 p.m. and have an intensive hour of Bible reading before going to sleep?

POST OF THE MOTHER ****ING YEAR!

pacergod2
04-26-2011, 12:28 PM
I wonder how much Dahntay paid the Club Organizer to put "Deshawn Stevenson" instead of Lance Stephenson. Haha. Hilarious.

Lance Stephenson, greatest player to ever come out of New York. :laugh:


edit: Oh and a very good article by Kravitz.

duke dynamite
04-26-2011, 12:32 PM
That's nothing. Brandon Rush is not allowed at a local club anymore for wearing a ball cap.

Some of these guys do party.

Sookie
04-26-2011, 01:43 PM
That's nothing. Brandon Rush is not allowed at a local club anymore for wearing a ball cap.

Some of these guys do party.

Of course they do, they ARE just out of college, for the most part. Although getting hammered the night before a game isn't cool. But I doubt a shot gets them hammered.

Seeing as Dahntay was there, and seeing as it was actually a restaurant not a club, I'm not concerned about it.

Unclebuck
04-26-2011, 01:52 PM
Why is this even an issue? The party ended at 2. Pre-game film and shootaround isn't even till 11. These guys all take afternoon naps anyway.

We don't know what time they left, what they drank or how much.

Did we all think they were going to have a team dinner at 6 followed by a reading of poetry by Solomon Jones then a puppet show by Ford & Posey. Everyone would then adjourn to their rooms by 8 p.m. and have an intensive hour of Bible reading before going to sleep?


That is really funny

Trader Joe
04-26-2011, 02:33 PM
I hear Solo writes a mean haiku

ilive4sports
04-26-2011, 02:45 PM
I hear Solo writes a mean haiku

I was wondering if it was originals by Soloman or some of his favorites. Sign me up for that poetry jam

Haywoode Workman
04-26-2011, 02:58 PM
Why is this even an issue? The party ended at 2. Pre-game film and shootaround isn't even till 11. These guys all take afternoon naps anyway.

We don't know what time they left, what they drank or how much.

Did we all think they were going to have a team dinner at 6 followed by a reading of poetry by Solomon Jones then a puppet show by Ford & Posey. Everyone would then adjourn to their rooms by 8 p.m. and have an intensive hour of Bible reading before going to sleep?

hahahaha im cracking up!

BRushWithDeath
04-26-2011, 03:33 PM
I hear Solo writes a mean haiku

I don't know about poetry but I know his antique store in Broad Ripple is supposed to be top notch.

Very sophisticated that Solomon.

Drewtone
04-26-2011, 03:33 PM
Why is this even an issue? The party ended at 2. Pre-game film and shootaround isn't even till 11. These guys all take afternoon naps anyway.

We don't know what time they left, what they drank or how much.

Did we all think they were going to have a team dinner at 6 followed by a reading of poetry by Solomon Jones then a puppet show by Ford & Posey. Everyone would then adjourn to their rooms by 8 p.m. and have an intensive hour of Bible reading before going to sleep?

Um Peck, you missed the part where the DJ's name is 'Fingers' :)

gummy
04-26-2011, 03:34 PM
Why is this even an issue? The party ended at 2. Pre-game film and shootaround isn't even till 11. These guys all take afternoon naps anyway.

We don't know what time they left, what they drank or how much.

Did we all think they were going to have a team dinner at 6 followed by a reading of poetry by Solomon Jones then a puppet show by Ford & Posey. Everyone would then adjourn to their rooms by 8 p.m. and have an intensive hour of Bible reading before going to sleep?

I know it's a waste of space but I had to do more than just thank this post.
Hilarious and right on the money, thank-you Peck!

avoidingtheclowns
04-26-2011, 05:22 PM
Um Peck, you missed the part where the DJ's name is 'Fingers'

And he doesn't play the piano.