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McKeyFan
04-25-2011, 10:13 PM
They just flashed a stat on the screen during the Spurs-Griz game. They were complimenting the Grizzlies for having, like, the 5th best defense during the playoffs.

But the Pacers were second, keeping their opponents to only 40 percent field goal percentage. Only the Celtics were better at 39 percent.

Go Pacers.

Trophy
04-25-2011, 10:20 PM
The 8th seed teams really keeping it close.

Both us and the Grizzlies haven't been to the playoffs since 2006 so both are taking advantage.

At least the Grizzlies are winning/closing their games out though.

vnzla81
04-25-2011, 10:49 PM
Imagine how much better our defense could be if Mcbob was starting and playing 30+ minutes, is Tyler's fault that we are second, Damn you Tyler..........

Unclebuck
04-25-2011, 10:53 PM
Imagine how much better our defense could be if Mcbob was starting and playing 30+ minutes, is Tyler's fault that we are second, Damn you Tyler..........

I assume you are joking? Tyler's defense is pretty good. I would say right now that Tyler is a better one-on-one defender while Josh is a better team defender. Josh is better at trapping Rose and then getting back into proper position

vnzla81
04-25-2011, 11:04 PM
I assume you are joking? Tyler's defense is pretty good. I would say right now that Tyler is a better one-on-one defender while Josh is a better team defender. Josh is better at trapping Rose and then getting back into proper position

Sarcasm ;)

Eleazar
04-25-2011, 11:06 PM
I assume you are joking? Tyler's defense is pretty good. I would say right now that Tyler is a better one-on-one defender while Josh is a better team defender. Josh is better at trapping Rose and then getting back into proper position

I agree, the difference in defense I feel would be negligible. The only difference in performance I feel is on offense, and that is the deciding factor of who should be playing. When Tyler is hitting his shot it is typically almost automatic (right now he is kind of an all or nothing player with his shot) and when that is happening he should be on the floor because he won't miss very many. When Tyler isn't hitting McBob needs to be on the floor more because he does a better job of making his teammates better.

NuffSaid
04-25-2011, 11:07 PM
I assume you are joking? Tyler's defense is pretty good. I would say right now that Tyler is a better one-on-one defender while Josh is a better team defender. Josh is better at trapping Rose and then getting back into proper position
I have to question how true that really is.

My question to you is: Which offensive player has had more success against his defender this series between Hansborough or Jmac? You also have to consider who Jmac or Hans are defending. It's a double-edged swore really. Hans could be up against one of the better offensive players at his relative position than Jmac has to guard under the same circumstances. So, it really could be a push for both. I think the bigger question should be who has produced better, more effectively on all both sides of the ball - offense, defense, rebounding, steals. For me, Hansborough has been the more well-rounded player. However, Jmac isn't far behind.

vnzla81
04-25-2011, 11:12 PM
I agree, the difference in defense I feel would be negligible. The only difference in performance I feel is on offense, and that is the deciding factor of who should be playing. When Tyler is hitting his shot it is typically almost automatic (right now he is kind of an all or nothing player with his shot) and when that is happening he should be on the floor because he won't miss very many. When Tyler isn't hitting McBob needs to be on the floor more because he does a better job of making his teammates better.

No offense but I call BS on this, the Mcbob fans used the assist per game numbers to tell us that Josh was so amazing, but guess what? Mcbob and Tyler have pretty similar numbers regarding APG in the playoffs.

Again even if Tyler is not hitting his shots he is always going to be a treat the other team is going to guard no matter what, while nobody really care to guard Josh, I would also like to ad that the Mcbob's point guard experiment should be put to rest.

Eleazar
04-25-2011, 11:16 PM
I have to question how true that really is.

My question to you is: Which offensive player has had more success against his defender this series between Hansborough or Jmac? You also have to consider who Jmac or Hans are defending. It's a double-edged swore really. Hans could be up against one of the better offensive players at his relative position than Jmac has to guard under the same circumstances. So, it really could be a push for both. I think the bigger question should be who has produced better, more effectively on all both sides of the ball - offense, defense, rebounding, steals. For me, Hansborough has been the more well-rounded player. However, Jmac isn't far behind.

I disagree, to me McRoberts is by far a more well rounded player, but Hansbrough has the ability to be more directly productive on the offensive end because there are one or two things that he excels at. McRoberts has the ability to do everything on the floor. Although it isn't likely to happen he does have the skill set to play SF if necessary. In some ways he is the perfect glue guy because he is not bad at anything and is a great passer.

Eleazar
04-25-2011, 11:24 PM
No offense but I call BS on this, the Mcbob fans used the assist per game numbers to tell us that Josh was so amazing, but guess what? Mcbob and Tyler have pretty similar numbers regarding APG.

Again even if Tyler is not hitting his shots he is always going to be a treat the other team is going to guard no matter what, while nobody really care to guard Josh, I would also like to ad that the Mcbob's point guard experiment should be put to rest.

Numbers don't tell the whole story, and I don't see how the Bulls putting focus on Hansbrough has helped Hibbert so far. Hell so far Hibberts best game has been when McRoberts saw more playing time. Good passing does not always produce stats, but it does make those around you better. I haven't seen anything that suggests that the team plays better when Hansbrough isn't hitting his shots.

As far as the McRoberts PG experiment, even before Saturday people should have known it wasn't a smart idea. Yeah, for a PF McRoberts is a good ball handler, probably every bit as good as Granger or slightly better, but no one is suggesting Granger should be a PG for a reason. The only reason it was suggested was because it is unexpected from a PF.

Sookie
04-26-2011, 12:17 AM
Seriously...we have our Hans/Josh argument thread already.

opiejsimpson
04-26-2011, 12:35 AM
We would be first if Korver would miss. Currently shooting 80% from three point range.

KingGeorge
04-26-2011, 02:58 AM
We would be first if Korver would miss. Currently shooting 80% from three point range.

I just seen this stat on NBA.com.

The Bulls score 117.09 points per 100 possessions while Korver is on the floor, while just scoring 91.62 when he is on the bench.

CableKC
04-26-2011, 04:01 AM
We would be first if Korver would miss. Currently shooting 80% from three point range.
Maybe we have to just better defend him :confused:

BRushWithDeath
04-26-2011, 07:45 AM
I just seen this stat on NBA.com.

The Bulls score 117.09 points per 100 possessions while Korver is on the floor, while just scoring 91.62 when he is on the bench.

Those stats mean nothing to me.

It's clear that Keith Bogans has been the one playing the winning basketbal since he's been starting.

pathil275
04-26-2011, 08:00 AM
Does anybody remember ESPN's Hollinger claiming that D. Jones was grossly overpriced and the worst FA signing?

So eat your words, professor!

I stand in awe with our defensive performance and cannot help but thinking back to the first 20 or so games of the season when our squad played superb defense, too. What happened afterwards? All the old coach's fault? Was the alleged altercation in our locker room responsible?

So I don't see it as a fluke when they play great team defense in this series, I am just curious what it might take to keep it up throughout an entire season. Besides, do you think we -as a smashmouth-basketball team- overly benefit from the way of officiating in the playoffs? Does this particular way of playing and hustling translates well into the regular season or would we permanently be in early foul trouble?

Major Cold
04-26-2011, 08:17 AM
I just seen this stat on NBA.com.

The Bulls score 117.09 points per 100 possessions while Korver is on the floor, while just scoring 91.62 when he is on the bench.


This proves that Thibs is not coach of the year in my book.

Mackey_Rose
04-26-2011, 09:39 AM
Imagine how much better our defense could be if Mcbob was starting and playing 30+ minutes, is Tyler's fault that we are second, Damn you Tyler..........

Unnecessary thread derail of the year?

Trader Joe
04-26-2011, 09:42 AM
Unnecessary thread derail of the year?

I'm just surprised it wasn't a Jim O'Brien reference for once.

LetsTalkPacers
04-26-2011, 09:59 AM
Unnecessary thread derail of the year?
Challenge accepted!

Well if JOB was still our coach we would be the worst defense in the playoffs. Heck we wouldn't even be in the playoffs. JOB sucked, I cant believe anyone on here backed him.

bellisimo
04-26-2011, 10:10 AM
1st in adjusted FG% allowed - 43.4%
tied for 1st in forcing turnovers - 16.8
2nd in FG% allowed - 39.8%
5th in 3pt FG% allowed - 31.1%
10th in points allowed at 93ppg

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/team/_/stat/team-comparison-per-game

Mackey_Rose
04-26-2011, 10:15 AM
Challenge accepted!

Well if JOB was still our coach we would be the worst defense in the playoffs. Heck we wouldn't even be in the playoffs. JOB sucked, I cant believe anyone on here backed him.

I blame the Chinese government, and their currency being intentionally undervalued, for our defense not being 1st.

McKeyFan
04-26-2011, 10:25 AM
I blame the Chinese government, and their currency being intentionally undervalued, for our defense not being 1st.
I think blaming it on Kyle Korver was a darn good theory.

McKeyFan
04-26-2011, 10:28 AM
I would also like to ad that the Mcbob's point guard experiment should be put to rest.
Not me. I like the experiment and would like to continue it.

Sure, it failed once or twice the last game. But it has also seen several successes.

imawhat
04-26-2011, 10:53 AM
Stats aside, I agree. In the games I've seen, the Pacers have had the 2nd best defense in the playoffs behind Boston.

Who would've EVER thought that?!? One of the shocks of the playoffs so far.

vnzla81
04-26-2011, 10:57 AM
Unnecessary thread derail of the year?

Says the guy that posted in the "I am worry about Tyler's health thread" some stats to tell us that the defense is better with Mcbob in the game........

daschysta
04-26-2011, 11:11 AM
Says the guy that posted in the "I am worry about Tyler's health thread" some stats to tell us that the defense is better with Mcbob in the game........

... Even someone simply viewing the game without stats can see that mcbob has a better understanding of team defense. He's been key in trapping rose, and executing our overall plan, which has been more important than individual set defense, which is the only area one can argue tyler is better in defensively. Awareness is something tyler still struggles with at times, both defensively and on the boards.

Mackey_Rose
04-26-2011, 11:29 AM
Says the guy that posted in the "I am worry about Tyler's health thread" some stats to tell us that the defense is better with Mcbob in the game........

I didn't post that out of nowhere. It was in direct response to another poster's erroneous suggestion that his defense was worthy of 30+ minutes.

I don't think you understand how this works.