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Hicks
04-24-2011, 10:04 PM
Once Utah felt Deron wasn't going to re-sign with them, they pulled the trigger.

That seems to be the way it very well could end with Orlando and Dwight Howard.

Could we throw a package at them this summer so they can get something before he bolts in 2012?

The question is, what would you offer that they might take?

I'd offer Granger and Hibbert and picks and see if they bite.

DC/AJ
Rush/Jones
George/TBA
Hansbrough/TBA
Howard/TBA

While DC is a weak link (and occasionally so is Tyler), having Rush, George, and Howard together is a huge trio defensively.

Suddenly we have a monster inside presence, and George (gradually) and Collison (immediately) handle the majority of our perimeter offense.

We still have a ton of cap space to pursue a better starting power foward and to fill in the other blanks.

cdash
04-24-2011, 10:06 PM
Would Dwight Howard be happy to come to a Pacers team that just traded their best player?

PacerPride33
04-24-2011, 10:10 PM
since Howard and CP3 want to play together, offer Roy and a combo of other players and draft picks to orlando, and DC and players/draft picks to NO and persuade howard and cp3 they will be able to play together. this means they sign long term contracts and IND forms big 3 with granger

PacerPride33
04-24-2011, 10:10 PM
*dream scenario

owl
04-24-2011, 10:10 PM
Just wait until he is a free agent. Dwight will not want to come to a depleted team.
Put him on the current team and you have a monster. Save all your cap space until 2012
if you feel you have any chance. I am sure they will try and trade him but I would not
deplete the roster and then end up like Orlando is now.

MillerTime
04-24-2011, 10:15 PM
It would be a great idea. I dont think Howard would want to re-sign with Magic. Their pay roll is so high.

I would love to see Howard and Stan Van Gundy with the Pacers.

1) Granger + Hibbert + 2 first rounder for Dwight Howard

2) Rush + McRoberts for Mayo

DC/Price
Mayo/Stevenson
George/Jones
Hansbrough/TBD
Howard/TBD

That would be a good start to lure other FAs with the cap space we have

Hicks
04-24-2011, 10:15 PM
Would Dwight Howard be happy to come to a Pacers team that just traded their best player?

I think so, if Paul grows offensively. Paul should be better than Danny in a year or two, and Dwight is better than Danny.

I think that roster, plus Vogel, plus 1 or 2 solid moves using our cap space, equals a very, very competitive team. So long as we're able to make some waives in the playoffs sooner rather than later, I think he's happy. I could see us being a top 3 seed in this scenario.

pizza guy
04-24-2011, 10:16 PM
Would Dwight Howard be happy to come to a Pacers team that just traded their best player?

Hicks didn't mention Paul George or Lance Stephenson in the trade...:-p

We would be pinning a lot on hopes of signing him to an extension ourselves. Is DC/Rush/George/Hans going to be enough going forward to keep Dwight happy here? I think we all agree that there's a lot of potential there.

Let's say George improves to be an equal talent to Danny, and Hans solidifies his game and finds his place as either starting PF or great 6th man -- does that team, including Howard, earn a top 4 seed and serious consideration as a contender? Because Dwight knows he has the talent to be a contender, and his team has to compliment that.

To be honest, I'm not sure it would equate to a team any better than the current Orlando team. And I'm not a guy who knows about contract details, but would trading for Dwight's contract still allow us to have cap space enough to sign a big time free agent to pair with Dwight?

The whole thing is a pipe dream, I'm sure, but I think those are some questions we have to ask as long as we're dreaming about it.

PR07
04-24-2011, 10:16 PM
I thought about this other day. However, I don't think Orlando will dump Dwight until they absolutely have to, meaning I think it's more possible you'd see a midseason trade around the deadline.

Still, the problem would be whether Dwight would want to re-sign in Indiana. Anything short of an Eastern Conference Finals, and he'd probably be a goner, so you'd have to make sure your roster is ready to contend around hm.

Trophy
04-24-2011, 10:18 PM
Realistically, I see him re-signing with Orlando, but we'll see what Otis Smith brings in to help him want to stay.

If he likes the deal and doesn't have confidence in re-signing Dwight Howard, he might bite.

It's up to Dwight if he'll want to re-sign depending on our success.

Also if we do this, then that's that. I'd be happy to get OJ Mayo since we probably won't have enough to get Eric Gordon.

It might be possible if we manage our money well, our 2 largest contracts would be Dwight and EJ. Getting a sharp 2 guard in EJ might make Dwight happy and give us a better chance to compete.

BringJackBack
04-24-2011, 10:21 PM
NJ offered Harris, Favors, and two firsts. The most I'd offer is DC, Hibbert, and two firsts MAX. That's about equal value and I don't see how anyone could offer a better deal around the league.

If Dwight came to town, I wouldn't want George or especially Granger going anywhere. I think he's going to turn into a great Pacers legend for us when we get better.

TBA (Probably a Felton or Harris)/AJ
PG/Jones
Granger/Rush
Free agent/Hansbrough
Howard/TBA

TheDon
04-24-2011, 10:22 PM
I know it'd be good for the team to have Dwight Howard and increase our chances of being competitive even further down the road and further into the playoffs. It would be really depressing for me though to see Roy go out of any of the other players on this team. Especially after the whole area 55 thing this season.

I honestly don't care where he goes as long as it isn't the freaking lakers and keep the lakers amazing for the next umpteen years. I'm so tired of the big franchises just having ridiculous situations just fall into their lap.

idioteque
04-24-2011, 10:28 PM
NJ offered Harris, Favors, and two firsts. The most I'd offer is DC, Hibbert, and two firsts MAX. That's about equal value and I don't see how anyone could offer a better deal around the league.

If Dwight came to town, I wouldn't want George or especially Granger going anywhere. I think he's going to turn into a great Pacers legend for us when we get better.

TBA (Probably a Felton or Harris)/AJ
PG/Jones
Granger/Rush
Free agent/Hansbrough
Howard/TBA

I agree, I would not offer Granger. If Granger leaves I think Dwight ultimately leaves and the whole thing is a huge flop.

DC, Hibbert, 2 Firsts would also be my final offer. Other than that, we have a great core sans Howard that could be as good as a Howard-led team if we play our cards right. Just about every small market would kill to be in a situation where you have Collison/George/Granger/Hibbert as a young core with Hansbrough as an indispensible sixth man of the future and tons of cap space to play around with.

Ransom
04-24-2011, 10:29 PM
*ahem*

http://www.pacersdigest.com/showthread.php?p=1220038#post1220038

I get credit for this right?

Anyways, yeah I'd love Howard here and he'd be worth quite a few people. Although I'm thinking it'd end up being similar to the Heat trade for Shaq.

Sollozzo
04-24-2011, 10:46 PM
Dwight Howard clearly wants to play with a superstar, something we don't have now and definitely wouldn't have if we were to trade Granger and Hibbert. Howard isn't going to be happy here with the hopes that George "might" be a great player someday. All indications point to Howard wanting to play with someone who is a proven star right now, most likely in a big market.

BringJackBack
04-24-2011, 10:50 PM
Dwight Howard clearly wants to play with a superstar, something we don't have now and definitely wouldn't have if we were to trade Granger and Hibbert. Howard isn't going to be happy here with the hopes that George "might" be a great player someday. All indications point to Howard wanting to play with someone who is a proven star right now, most likely in a big market.

Ehh, I just think he wants to play with a team that consistently wants to play hard and win. A team that is scrappy. A team that helps him out on defense. And a coach that he likes.

He hasn't been getting that with his guys.

vnzla81
04-24-2011, 10:51 PM
Is funny that I was just thinking about this, I bumped the Tmac to the Pacers thread so people can see that it almost became reality.

I'm thinking that we have a chance for Howard or CP3, either package is gonna have to be huge plus we would have to take on their bad salaries.

righteouscool
04-24-2011, 10:51 PM
Dwight Howard clearly wants to play with a superstar, something we don't have now and definitely wouldn't have if we were to trade Granger and Hibbert. Howard isn't going to be happy here with the hopes that George "might" be a great player someday. All indications point to Howard wanting to play with someone who is a proven star right now, most likely in a big market.


True, but where is he going to get that? Can't get it in New York, Orlando, or Miami. I guess the Lakers is possible, but I think I'll swear off Basketball if that happens. Plus, I don't know how much he'd want to play with a 35 year old Kobe. Pacer's have enough cap space to sign two superstars and have an up and coming team. I guess MAYBE the Nets?

Still a compelte dream. I wouldn't trade for Howard, though, when you can get him in free agency. He could also play along Roy.

IUfan4life
04-24-2011, 10:51 PM
Feel like orlando would demand paul george and pass on granger. That said, I know everyone loves paul, but we still make the deal right?

vnzla81
04-24-2011, 10:55 PM
For CP3 I would send, DC+Danny+two 1st round picks and for a guy like Howard I would send Hibbert+Tyler+two 1st round picks at least.

BringJackBack
04-24-2011, 10:58 PM
Oh yeah, I wouldn't send some ridiculous package for Dwight like NY did for Melo because it would potentially kill our edge. I don't want Granger or George going anywhere. If he really wants to come here, he'll sign with us in the summer.

And I have a good feeling that he'd have significant interest in playing for a core of Granger/George/Hansbrough/Hibbert/DC/and a great bench with loads of cap space.

That's what NY should have done. Next year, they could potentially have had a team of Melo/Amare/Felton/Gallo/Chandler (If they were to re-sign him). With cap space left over.

FlavaDave
04-24-2011, 10:59 PM
Surely, the trade would be Paul George and Roy Hibbert (plus two picks) for Howard. And of course we would do that (as long as Howard extends).

ilive4sports
04-24-2011, 11:03 PM
If we could keep him here, you have to try. Not sure what it would take. Would Orlando want cap relief or would they want proven talent?

IndyPacer
04-24-2011, 11:04 PM
Is everyone carefully considering what happens if he's brought over in a trade and he doesn't like it here? Disaster. We have a really promising young team. Impress the big name players and try to sign him when his contract is up because he sees a bright future here. Every team will want him. Don't pin our franchise future on hoping that he thinks by next year Indiana is the most desirable place in the league for Dwight Howard. That doesn't sound like a bet I'd want to make.

Trader Joe
04-24-2011, 11:05 PM
Would Dwight Howard be happy to come to a Pacers team that just traded their best player?

Nope.

You'd have to build a package around Hibber+George or Hibbert+Collison. Even then I don't see it happening unless one of them absolutely blows up with what's rest of our playoff run.

Trader Joe
04-24-2011, 11:07 PM
Feel like orlando would demand paul george and pass on granger. That said, I know everyone loves paul, but we still make the deal right?

Anyone that wouldn't trade George+Hibbert for Howard would need their head examined.

AesopRockOn
04-24-2011, 11:18 PM
I think it's important to note that Dwight is a top five player while Deron is maybe top 15. Dwight is worth much more than Deron. Also, it's quite unlikely that Deron actually stays with the Nets.

Cactus Jax
04-24-2011, 11:18 PM
Lakers can trade Bynum + Odom + picks for Howard. That's probably better than any Pacers offer plus they're in the western conference which would be more suitable a trade area than in the east.

vnzla81
04-24-2011, 11:26 PM
Lakers can trade Bynum + Odom + picks for Howard. That's probably better than any Pacers offer plus they're in the western conference which would be more suitable a trade area than in the east.

Why would Orlando want a broken down center and an old player for Howard?

Hicks
04-24-2011, 11:29 PM
Dwight Howard clearly wants to play with a superstar, something we don't have now and definitely wouldn't have if we were to trade Granger and Hibbert. Howard isn't going to be happy here with the hopes that George "might" be a great player someday. All indications point to Howard wanting to play with someone who is a proven star right now, most likely in a big market.

Granger isn't a superstar, so that part is irrelevant to me with regards to Danny.

As for Paul, I think Dwight will see right away how talented he is. Plus it's not like he's a benchwarmer; the dude already starts for us.

Anyway, my thinking is that a combination of adding Dwight, keeping Frank Vogel, and still taking advantage of our cap space this summer (signings or trades), I envision a very good season with a team that has great chemistry, works very hard, and wins at least 50 games before making some serious noise (at least the semi finals) in the playoffs in front of a rejuvenated Conseco crowd (these moves plus this Bulls series will bring the bandwagoners back on board). Dwight has a blast, falls in love with the team/city, knows we're still going to get better as Paul and DC improve, and we theoretically live happily for years to come, health permitting.

BringJackBack
04-24-2011, 11:31 PM
Anyway, my thinking is that a combination of adding Dwight, keeping Frank Vogel, and still taking advantage of our cap space this summer (signings or trades), I envision a very good season with a team that has great chemistry, works very hard, and wins at least 50 games before making some serious noise (at least the semi finals) in the playoffs in front of a rejuvenated Conseco crowd (these moves plus this Bulls series will bring the bandwagoners back on board).

<3 <3 <3 <3

This makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

vnzla81
04-24-2011, 11:35 PM
Hey Hicks do you think we have the same chance to get CP3?

BobbyMac
04-24-2011, 11:41 PM
For CP3 I would send, DC+Danny+two 1st round picks and for a guy like Howard I would send Hibbert+Tyler+two 1st round picks at least.

Real glad you're not the GM.

Hicks
04-24-2011, 11:43 PM
Hey Hicks do you think we have the same chance to get CP3?

Does he want to leave? Does NOH think he'll leave? If so, I suppose so. But not both of them.

Hicks
04-24-2011, 11:44 PM
Real glad you're not the GM.

Because a team built around Chris Paul, Paul George, and Dwight Howard would be so miserable??

vnzla81
04-24-2011, 11:46 PM
Does he want to leave? Does NOH think he'll leave? If so, I suppose so. But not both of them.

No I was talking about getting either one; I know there is not chance to get both, regarding CP3 wanting to leave remember that He was rumored to want to leave NO few months ago.

vnzla81
04-24-2011, 11:50 PM
Real glad you're not the GM.

Uh? Howard and CP3 are pretty much future hall of famers, who would you trade to get either player? Posey? :loco:

graphic-er
04-25-2011, 12:23 AM
Honestly even if we get Howard, this team will still need a closer.
I'm also not convinced he is a leader. He has not shown an ability to actually add to his game over the years. Still no reliable post game after 8 years in the league? After working with some of the best centers in the history of the game? Still a terrible free throw shooter as well.

vnzla81
04-25-2011, 12:27 AM
Honestly even if we get Howard, this team will still need a closer.
I'm also not convinced he is a leader. He has not shown an ability to actually add to his game over the years. Still no reliable post game after 8 years in the league? After working with some of the best centers in the history of the game? Still a terrible free throw shooter as well.

No reliable post game? What?

Hicks
04-25-2011, 12:28 AM
I'll suffer along with his unreliable 22 points per game.

righteouscool
04-25-2011, 12:33 AM
Honestly even if we get Howard, this team will still need a closer.
I'm also not convinced he is a leader. He has not shown an ability to actually add to his game over the years. Still no reliable post game after 8 years in the league? After working with some of the best centers in the history of the game? Still a terrible free throw shooter as well.

You clearly haven't watched Howard this year.

graphic-er
04-25-2011, 12:36 AM
No reliable post game? What?

All I'm saying is that he can do nothing but dunk the ball. He was no hook shot, he has no up and under. Just dunking the ball isn't an actual post game.

Edit: i'm not say he isn't good.

vnzla81
04-25-2011, 12:36 AM
You clearly haven't watched Howard this year.

Or last year or the year before that one :zip:

Day-V
04-25-2011, 12:37 AM
All I'm saying is that he can do nothing but dunk the ball. He was no hook shot, he has no up and under. Just dunking the ball isn't an actual post game.



Have you WATCHED the Magic at all this year?

graphic-er
04-25-2011, 12:40 AM
Have you WATCHED the Magic at all this year?

Yes I have seen plenty of games, I'm not saying he isn't a great player. But I'm just not that impressed. He is way more Brawn than skill is all i'm saying.

righteouscool
04-25-2011, 12:42 AM
Yes I have seen plenty of games, I'm not saying he isn't a great player. But I'm just not that impressed. He is way more Brawn than skill is all i'm saying.

I'm just confused. You would rather someone throw up a hook then get a dunk? Isn't a dunk the highest percentage shot?

Day-V
04-25-2011, 12:42 AM
Yes I have seen plenty of games, I'm not saying he isn't a great player. But I'm just not that impressed. He is way more Brawn than skill is all i'm saying.

And the Tim Duncan-esque bank shot he's added? Not impressed with that?

Dece
04-25-2011, 12:44 AM
Dude dropped 46 in a playoff game, I don't think his offense can be questioned anymore.

ilive4sports
04-25-2011, 12:47 AM
If you have actually watched Dwight this year you should know his offensive game has developed quite nicely. Do you think Shaq just dunks on people too?

graphic-er
04-25-2011, 01:00 AM
Whateva! I guess we just agree to disagree on this one.

Day-V
04-25-2011, 01:05 AM
Whateva! I guess we just agree to disagree on this one.

Or you could just own up to the fact that you really haven't watched any Magic games this season that weren't against the Pacers..... ;)

immortality
04-25-2011, 01:09 AM
Whateva! I guess we just agree to disagree on this one.


More like your too stubborn to admit your wrong.

luis3ep
04-25-2011, 01:11 AM
Yea, Howard is a beast. He doesn't back down from anyone, is a beast defensively and plays really aggressive. Him and Chris Paul are free agents after next season right? That would be a dream come true.. if they both came here as free agents. ha, i can only dream.

KingGeorge
04-25-2011, 01:23 AM
I don't know how anyone could not want Dwight Howard.

In my opinion, the dude is the most valuable player in this league. You can replace Rose with guys like Westbrook, Rondo, Williams, and CP3, and still have the same result. The center position is so valuable in this league.

Howard would love Vogel's inside-out strategy compared to Stan Van Gundy's live-and-die off the three method.

GizzyStardust
04-25-2011, 01:29 AM
As far as I'm concerned, it's a done deal that he will end up in L.A. We're not getting him.

KingGeorge
04-25-2011, 01:33 AM
As far as I'm concerned, it's a done deal that he will end up in L.A. We're not getting him.

Boo!! Let us have some fun. We can dream can't we? :)

Kraft
04-25-2011, 01:35 AM
I'm guessing most ego-driven players will remember this past summer and want their own chance at the spotlight and wooing.

I imagine Paul, Deron Williams and Howard all wait for their contracts to expire so they can play the field. Saving enough assets (cash for a max contract) for that time makes the most sense.

I don't think there's nearly as cut and dry a situation as Carmelo's, where you knew exactly where Anthony wanted to be. Paul might get there with the N.Y. angling, but he's not even in the ballpark yet.

Trader Joe
04-25-2011, 01:37 AM
I'm sure Bird will be working the phones, if I had to guess Bird's dream offseason would be something like Love and Mayo. (Assuming Bird's back).

Hicks
04-25-2011, 01:48 AM
All I'm saying is that he can do nothing but dunk the ball. He was no hook shot, he has no up and under. Just dunking the ball isn't an actual post game.

Edit: i'm not say he isn't good.

You haven't been watching him lately.

trailrunner
04-25-2011, 02:08 AM
As far as I'm concerned, it's a done deal that he will end up in L.A. We're not getting him.

But with which squad? I suspect perhaps the Clippers would be very attractive to him. And they are currently under the cap I believe.

ilive4sports
04-25-2011, 02:18 AM
But with which squad? I suspect perhaps the Clippers would be very attractive to him. And they are currently under the cap I believe.

Dwight and Blake together? Well that would be ridiculously fun to watch.

trailrunner
04-25-2011, 02:24 AM
I'm sure Bird will be working the phones, if I had to guess Bird's dream offseason would be something like Love and Mayo. (Assuming Bird's back).

I would offer Rush, Tyler, Stephenson and our 2011 first for Love. He is restricted after next year so we could match any offer with our cap space. Minnesota has many holes to fill.

trailrunner
04-25-2011, 02:25 AM
Dwight and Blake together? Well that would be ridiculously fun to watch.

And Gordon too! Yikes!

CooperManning
04-25-2011, 02:41 AM
I don't think Orlando will be willing to trade Dwight at all. I think they're going to offer the absolute max, banking on him liking the Florida weather and lack of income taxes. Their fans are really tied to him and I think they'll go for broke trying to get him back. Fine with me. I'd rather try to get him as a free agent. We wouldn't be the favorites, but I'd say the chance of getting him as a FA would be better than getting him to sign an extension after trading 3 of our best assets for him

mattie
04-25-2011, 02:41 AM
Obviously if we ever had any opportunity to land Howard we'd have to go for it no matter what. Even if it meant losing George and Granger. You get a top 5 player? You go for it.

With that said, I think the only real chance of landing Howard, is if Indiana makes itself a real desirable place to play.

As stupid as it is that players have been preached day and night that they need a big market (which of course they don't) many of them believe it. Which means, Howard would never resign with us unless we had a good core.

I think the only real chance we have of getting Howard, is if we sit on our cap space, and let our current very young team develop into a 45-50 win team. If that happens, I think we'd have a huge chance of signing Howard... With such a good team with a gob ton of cap space, I think he'd love to play with DC, Paul, DG and Roy. Would he resign with us if we had lost most of those players in a trade? I don't think there is any way.

I also don't think there is much of a chance Orlando just trades Howard to cut their losses. As they do live and die by him, I think they'll try to resign him at all costs... Which means if Indiana sits on a ton of cap space lets Roy, Paul and DC develop we'll be an extremely attractive FA destination for Howard.

CableKC
04-25-2011, 02:42 AM
I'm gonna throw this out there....but my guess is that if the Magic moves Dwight Howard due to fear of losing him....they will not move him to an Eastern Conference Team.

I think that the only way that we are involved is IF we used as a 3rd Team in any Deal to facilitate any trade where Dwight is moved to some Western Conference Team. Short of some deal that absolutely blows the Magic away ( just like the one that Hicks suggests...or even worse...such as DG+Hibbert+multiple 1sts while taking on some bad contracts....basically what the Nets were expected to take back when they were vying for Carmelo ), my guess is that the Pacers would be the "Pistons" in any such trade.

This maybe the only way that we get involved and what the Capspace earned from the 3 year plan will get us. I know that this whole "Teams should move them based off of the best deal that they can get regardless of Conference" theory should prevail...but I don't see the Magic wanting to see Dwight in the Eastern Conference for the next couple of years.

mattie
04-25-2011, 02:42 AM
Weird, we posted at the same time but Cooper we said the same thing. Good call.

CooperManning
04-25-2011, 02:43 AM
Obviously if we ever had any opportunity to land Howard we'd have to go for it no matter what. Even if it meant losing George and Granger. You get a top 5 player? You go for it.

With that said, I think the only real chance of landing Howard, is if Indiana makes itself a real desirable place to play.

As stupid as it is that players have been preached day and night that they need a big market (which of course they don't) many of them believe it. Which means, Howard would never resign with us unless we had a good core.

I think the only real chance we have of getting Howard, is if we sit on our cap space, and let our current very young team develop into a 45-50 win team. If that happens, I think we'd have a huge chance of signing Howard... With such a good team with a gob ton of cap space, I think he'd love to play with DC, Paul, DG and Roy. Would he resign with us if we had lost most of those players in a trade? I don't think there is any way.

I also don't think there is much of a chance Orlando just trades Howard to cut their losses. As they do live and die by him, I think they'll try to resign him at all costs... Which means if Indiana sits on a ton of cap space lets Roy, Paul and DC develop we'll be an extremely attractive FA destination for Howard.

Haha, we were making pretty much the exact same point at same time.

CooperManning
04-25-2011, 02:43 AM
Weird, we posted at the same time but Cooper we said the same thing. Good call.

And we just did it again. Well done.

mattie
04-25-2011, 02:45 AM
As far as any trade involving Howard, we need to realize he is an almost identical situation to Lebron. A great player on a poor team.

Cleveland didn't trade him because they planned on signing him. Howard isn't planning on leaving Orlando either. But obviously, just like Lebrons situation he will leave if their situation doesn't change. Obviously their situation will not change.

mattie
04-25-2011, 02:47 AM
lol

ilive4sports
04-25-2011, 02:53 AM
I definitely think Dwight is planning on leaving Orlando.

mattie
04-25-2011, 02:56 AM
I definitely think Dwight is planning on leaving Orlando.

It's hard to say either way. But no one can insinuate that he's trying to get out all costs. Is he upset with his team? Sure. But he wouldn't be the first. I think there is no guarantee, which is also a big reason why I don't think Orlando will try to sell him to the highest bidder.

The best case scenario no matter the situation is for Indiana to simply sit on cap space and their current talent. I cannot see Howard being traded.

CooperManning
04-25-2011, 03:11 AM
Let's say Dwight becomes a free agent. What teams might he be interested in (that will have the cap room)? Boston, New Jersey, Clippers, Houston, us? Anyone else? Dallas probably, Cuban would make a run at him at least.

Until I was reading up on this, I didn't realize how much cap room Boston will have the year he becomes a free agent. Yikes. They got Rondo locked down on a great contract.

http://hoopshype.com/salaries.htm

mattie
04-25-2011, 03:15 AM
Let's say Dwight becomes a free agent. What teams might he be interested in (that will have the cap room)? Boston, New Jersey, Clippers, Houston, us? Anyone else? Dallas probably, Cuban would make a run at him at least.

Until I was reading up on this, I didn't realize how much cap room Boston will have the year he becomes a free agent. Yikes. They got Rondo locked down on a great contract.

http://hoopshype.com/salaries.htm

The Clippers absolutely will NEVER be an option for any big time player. Until they get rid of their owner who is simply a horrible person. No one will want to play with them. Eric Gordon and Blake are both gone when their contracts are up.

mattie
04-25-2011, 03:18 AM
That list is scary though. The fact that Boston will have so much cap space obviously makes them a huge destination. Though I'm sure they'll resign a lot of their guys.

Edit- Though NJ will be hyped by the media day and night, I still think a 50 win Pacers team would be much more of attractive destination. Bigs love to play with other bigs and good teams. That team even with Deron Williams in no way will get close to the win total of the Pacers. By the time Howard is looking as a free agent, I think the Pacers will be much more of an attractive situation.

croz24
04-25-2011, 03:18 AM
we could indeed go the route of trying to get paul and howard. few teams could match our cap space by 2012 if we don't go on a spending spree this summer and there's enough prominent former pacers to convince these two indiana is a place to win. it'd be better for us to sign and trade for paul, and signing howard outright than vice versa. collison, granger, and a 1st or two for paul allows us to maintain our capspace to hopefully go after both ej and howard. that leaves us with a starting lineup of:

paul
ej
george
howard
hibbert

likely? no. but not impossible.

KingGeorge
04-25-2011, 03:25 AM
paul
ej
george
howard
hibbert

likely? no. but not impossible.

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CooperManning
04-25-2011, 03:31 AM
we could indeed go the route of trying to get paul and howard. few teams could match our cap space by 2012 if we don't go on a spending spree this summer and there's enough prominent former pacers to convince these two indiana is a place to win. it'd be better for us to sign and trade for paul, and signing howard outright than vice versa. collison, granger, and a 1st or two for paul allows us to maintain our capspace to hopefully go after both ej and howard. that leaves us with a starting lineup of:

paul
ej
george
howard
hibbert

likely? no. but not impossible.

Haha, actually CP3, EJ, George, Howard, and Hibbert would be impossible. If we made a sign and trade for Paul and extended Hibbert, we wouldn't have enough money to sign both Dwight and EJ. We could get Dwight, but there wouldn't be quite enough to get EJ. Fun thought though.

croz24
04-25-2011, 04:51 AM
Haha, actually CP3, EJ, George, Howard, and Hibbert would be impossible. If we made a sign and trade for Paul and extended Hibbert, we wouldn't have enough money to sign both Dwight and EJ. We could get Dwight, but there wouldn't be quite enough to get EJ. Fun thought though.

posey's contract expires 2012 right? therefore if we are conservative in our 2011 signings and stick to 1 year contracts we should have at least $35mil in cap space including granger on the team. now, trading granger with collison and jones for paul gives paul his max contract and we thus still have ~$35mil in cap space should the cap remain about the same. ej should not garner a max contract so let's assume he can be signed for $13mil tops leaving us ~$23mil and plenty of money to then sign howard to his max deal. hibbert's extension doesn't necessarily need to be done until the end of the 2013 season, but even if we do look to extend him, we use our bird rights and can exceed the cap to sign him. conclusion, attaining a starting lineup of:

paul
ej
george
howard
hibbert

is indeed feasible. just not likely. but who thought the heat would have wade, lebron, and bosh this time 2years ago?

http://www.hoopdata.com/salaries/IND.aspx

King Tuts Tomb
04-25-2011, 05:06 AM
ej should not garner a max contract so let's assume he can be signed for $13mil tops

The max Gordon can get from the Clippers is $13 million. There's no way the Pacers could get him unless it's through a trade.

croz24
04-25-2011, 05:19 AM
true but the largest contract in clippers franchise history is just over $13mil/yr and we all know about sterling's frugality. i'm not so certain sterling would match a 5yr deal starting at $13mil/yr for gordon, especially if ej makes it known he'd rather play elsewhere.

King Tuts Tomb
04-25-2011, 05:30 AM
true but the largest contract in clippers franchise history is just over $13mil/yr and we all know about sterling's frugality. i'm not so certain sterling would match a 5yr deal starting at $13mil/yr for gordon, especially if ej makes it known he'd rather play elsewhere.

I do agree his cheapness could be a boon to us getting Gordon but probably not through a restricted free agent signing. Most deals for star players after the rookie contract are negotiated the year before they become a restricted FA. Durant did his last summer, LeBron and Carmelo did theirs the year before. No player wants to play an entire year with no financial security.

McKeyFan
04-25-2011, 08:32 AM
Whateva! I guess we just agree to disagree on this one.
I don't completely agree with you, but I do to an extent. His offense is less than impressive.

Of course, he's a beast on steroids. So he's effective. But I've never liked the guy as a player. Never liked the Magic during his era.

Can't really put my finger on why, because I think Howard is a super guy off the court.

Maybe it's related to that screaming fat little chicken on the sidelines.

Trophy
04-25-2011, 08:38 AM
The max Gordon can get from the Clippers is $13 million. There's no way the Pacers could get him unless it's through a trade.

I would trade Danny for EJ (S&T) for about $13M a year.

That's pretty much what I had in mind and that's probably the realistic thing the Clippers would do.

CableKC
04-25-2011, 12:08 PM
Given the way that the Magic have played....if they get bounced in the next week...which is a likely possibility now.....unless the Magic make a huge move in the offseason that SIGNIFICANTLY improves the roster ( think what the Cavs try to do before Lebron went all "LeDecision" on the Cavs ) and guarantees them a 2nd round run and a very deep run in the Playoffs....my guess is that they will start to entertain offers to get some feeling for what they will get on the Free Market for him between now and February 2012 ( the 2011-2012 Trade Deadline ).

Unfortunately for them....the Magic don't have a lot of leeway to improve their roster as the majority of the long term contracts are tied up in Dwight, Hedo and Arenas. Both Hedo and Arenas won't be moved anytime soon...so that leaves VERY little room for improvement in the roster. Although the Magic can look for a "trade my REALLY bad contracts for your REALLY bad contracts" deal....how much can one be made that would significantly improve the roster to a "2nd round or beyond" level Team?

As long as we can secure an extension, I don't mind offering a "Granger+Hibbert+Multiple 1st" for Dwight+Bass....but anything beyond that and I would not consider it....the reason being that the only assets that are available at that point is PG and Hansbrough.

But as mentioned before, I still think that the only way that the Pacers are attached to any deal involving Dwight being sent to a Western Conference Team where the Pacers are a 3rd Team facilitator.

naptownmenace
04-25-2011, 12:19 PM
If we could keep him here, you have to try. Not sure what it would take. Would Orlando want cap relief or would they want proven talent?

Since the Pacers are under the cap, they wouldn't need to send out equal salaries so Orlando would also be getting cap space in a deal. They would probably want to get Danny and dump Arenas on us as well but I'd do it if it meant getting Dwight.

I really don't want to lose Granger because he is the best scorer and commands the most attention on offense. Granger would easily be the second best player on that Orlando team and imagine how much better they would be. If the Pacers had Dwight and Granger, they would be a lights-out team in the East.

Larry and Dwight have worked together in the past on that McDonald's commercial. Maybe Larry gave him a brief pitch? ;)

CableKC
04-25-2011, 12:36 PM
Since the Pacers are under the cap, they wouldn't need to send out equal salaries so Orlando would also be getting cap space in a deal. They would probably want to get Danny and dump Arenas on us as well but I'd do it if it meant getting Dwight.

I really don't want to lose Granger because he is the best scorer and commands the most attention on offense. Granger would easily be the second best player on that Orlando team and imagine how much better they would be. If the Pacers had Dwight and Granger, they would be a lights-out team in the East.

Larry and Dwight have worked together in the past on that McDonald's commercial. Maybe Larry gave him a brief pitch? ;)
Wow....the Magic could dangle Dwight to take on Arenas...but I'd strongly advise against that.....Arenas has a WORST contract then Dwight.

Below is Arenas contract:

2011-2012 : $19.269 mil
2012-2013 : $20.807 mil ( Early Termination Option )
2013-2014 : $22.346 mil

Add in that any Extension that Dwight would want...which would clearly be a MAX level contract.....that would likely mean that there is nearly $38 mil in guaranteed $$$ tied up in Dwight and Arenas. Given that the Salary Cap and LT will be lower after the new CBA...I would be extremely reluctant in taking on Arenas.

It would be a HUGE gamble.

PacerPride33
04-25-2011, 01:03 PM
dwight is not going to come to indy, no way. our best chance of getting an allstar is eric gordon, thats it

bphil
04-25-2011, 01:12 PM
dwight is not going to come to indy, no way. our best chance of getting an allstar is eric gordon, thats it

THANK YOU. People here are absolutely out of their minds wasting even a second thinking we could get a player like Dwight Howard. I, for one, am very happy with Hibs as our center... I think he's the perfect player/personality for this market, and after how the crowd looked on Saturday I'm worried about even him (and PG, Danny, and Hans for that matter) wanting to stay here.

SMosley21
04-25-2011, 01:33 PM
I don't want to entertain the thought of trading away the best player on our team, and the only guy on our team who has shown the ability to get his consistently in this series against Chicago.

righteouscool
04-25-2011, 01:35 PM
THANK YOU. People here are absolutely out of their minds wasting even a second thinking we could get a player like Dwight Howard. I, for one, am very happy with Hibs as our center... I think he's the perfect player/personality for this market, and after how the crowd looked on Saturday I'm worried about even him (and PG, Danny, and Hans for that matter) wanting to stay here.

So, in 2012 who else is going to be able to give Dwight anythign he wants AND have a winning team? I hate this line of thinking so much. Is Dwight going to choose Indiana over LA? No, could Dwight pick Indiana over a bunch of other teams that aren't good and aren't in major markets? Yes.

vnzla81
04-25-2011, 01:44 PM
dwight is not going to come to indy, no way. our best chance of getting an allstar is eric gordon, thats it

So Erick Gordon is an All Star? I watched the whole all star weekend and did not see him :whoknows:

CableKC
04-25-2011, 01:59 PM
I don't want to entertain the thought of trading away the best player on our team, and the only guy on our team who has shown the ability to get his consistently in this series against Chicago.
Dwight can do the same against the Bulls and any other Team in the league.

I agree with most here that say that if you can get an extended Dwight while giving ONLY up Granger and Hibbert ( along with 1st round picks ), then you do it.

But the question is more whether:

1 ) Dwight will want to sign an extension with a younger but "comprable" roster as the one that he is leaving ( with some more room to improve the roster via FA )?
2 ) The Magic will want to move him to another Eastern Conference Team?
3 ) The Magic will ask for more in return ( as in adding PG, Hansbrough and/or willingness to take on Arenas as well )?

IMHO....if they move Dwight...all of the above questions will be in play...all of which would make me seriously not consider doing it in the 1st place where the "price" is way more then I'd be willing to pay.

CooperManning
04-25-2011, 02:11 PM
So, in 2012 who else is going to be able to give Dwight anythign he wants AND have a winning team?

Boston. Their only players under contract for 2012 are Pierce, Rondo, and Avery Bradley. If Dwight comes, they won't have much of a problem finding vet role players to fill out the roster. And KG would probably come back for an extra year or two as well.

bphil
04-25-2011, 02:19 PM
So, in 2012 who else is going to be able to give Dwight anythign he wants AND have a winning team? I hate this line of thinking so much. Is Dwight going to choose Indiana over LA? No, could Dwight pick Indiana over a bunch of other teams that aren't good and aren't in major markets? Yes.

You're kidding, right? Major market teams will do whatever they have to do to make room for Dwight Howard. Look at the way Miami torched their roster to be able to sign Lebron/Wade/Bosh all in the same year! Once Howard is on the market, he'll have no shortage of big time options, trust me.

And just to entertain the delusion, even if Indy were for whatever reason his only possible free agent destination, he would simply choose to stay in Orlando. The Magic could easily convince him to stay if they knew that the best competition to keep him was the Pacers.

Sorry, I'm not trying to be a d*ck here, I'm just being realistic. I personally am pretty excited about the growth of this current team, and this constant pie in the sky yammering about how the Pacers could land some massive superstar irritates the crap out of me. IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN. Sorry.

cdash
04-25-2011, 02:21 PM
So Erick Gordon is an All Star? I watched the whole all star weekend and did not see him :whoknows:

No, but I saw him in Broad Ripple on Saturday night. He is massive in person. Not tall massive, but that dude is so thick my lord. He wasn't even drinking he was just kind of hanging out. I wanted to go talk to him but I didn't want to be that guy.

BRushWithDeath
04-25-2011, 02:24 PM
So Erick Gordon is an All Star? I watched the whole all star weekend and did not see him :whoknows:
Watch it next season.

Infinite MAN_force
04-25-2011, 02:59 PM
If Orlando trades Howard they are looking to shed salary, big time. It is a rebuilding effort at that point. Don't forget this.

We have two major advantages in this case, tons of cap room (ability to absorb contracts without matching salary) and lots of young prospects still on their rookie pay scale.

Personally, I don't touch Gilbert's contract with a ten foot pole, they are stuck with that one as far as I'm concerned. However, They also have Hedo and Nelson with large contracts with lots of years. I also think Granger makes no sense for this trade. The only slim chance you have of convincing Dwight to come here and sign an extension (and believe me, even then, super slim chance) is to TEAM up with Danny Granger. Granger is better than anyone on their roster outside of Howard.

I would go with Collison, George, Hibbert, and a pick (or two even) for Howard, Nelson, and Hedo.

This would allow Orlando to cut nearly 35 MILLION in salary just for next season alone, not even factoring in the multiple years on some of those contracts. It would leave them with three young guys who have already shown starter ability who are also still on rookie scale contracts... one with huge upside in Paul George. Their only remaining bad contract would be Gilbert, who they are stuck with as far as I'm concerned.

It leaves the Pacers with this lineup.

Nelson
Rush/Jones
Granger
Hedo/Hansbrough
Howard

Howard and Granger team up and you also have Nelson who is a solid PG/third option, Hedo is overpaid but very serviceable, Still have Hansbrough. Two guard is still the weak point, but you may have enough talent to get away with starting a role player like Rush or Jones.

You leave Orlando with a solid young core, picks, and help them cut a ton of salary.

Collison
Reddick
George
Bass
Hibbert

I'd be pretty happy with that If I'm Orlando. Once again our ability to absorb contracts is a huge advantage in this case. I think Orlando would consider something like this, I just don't know if Dwight would sign off. Still unlikely, but its fun to dream.

Hicks
04-25-2011, 03:03 PM
So to make Dwight happy about playing with Danny Granger, you're going to trade away a guy who will be better than Danny Granger in 2 years. I'll pass.

PacerPride33
04-25-2011, 03:09 PM
If Eric Gordon played in the East, then yes he could have been an all-star this year. Before he got hurt he wa averaging 24 ppg. Team him up with Granger Hibbert DC George and Hans and you have a scary good/young team. My only thinking is if LA decides he isn't going to sign with them, will they trade him to get something in return?

Infinite MAN_force
04-25-2011, 03:12 PM
So to make Dwight happy about playing with Danny Granger, you're going to trade away a guy who will be better than Danny Granger in 2 years. I'll pass.

Your saying you wouldn't team up Granger with a top 5 player/defensive player of the year/most dominant center in the NBA? For George?

I love Paul George. LOVE him. but come one. You have to make that trade. He's a young guy, but there is no guarantee he becomes a top 5 player. He can improve a whole hell of a lot and not even be close to that level.

A core of Nelson/Howard/Hedo made the FINALS! Add Granger to that and you are rolling.

cdash
04-25-2011, 03:25 PM
So to make Dwight happy about playing with Danny Granger, you're going to trade away a guy who will be better than Danny Granger in 2 years. I'll pass.

You gotta give something to get something. Dwight Howard is one of the five best players in the league and a legitimate superstar. You trade Paul George to get him if you have to.

BRushWithDeath
04-25-2011, 03:31 PM
You gotta give something to get something. Dwight Howard is one of the five best players in the league and a legitimate superstar. You trade Paul George to get him if you have to.

Absolutely.

And you take Arenas' albatross contract if you have to as well.

ilive4sports
04-25-2011, 03:38 PM
So to make Dwight happy about playing with Danny Granger, you're going to trade away a guy who will be better than Danny Granger in 2 years. I'll pass.

I gotta disagree because a Granger/Howard combo will be better than George/Granger. If we had our choice for George/Howard then I see your point, but I'd trade anyone to get Howard.

Gamble1
04-25-2011, 03:54 PM
So to make Dwight happy about playing with Danny Granger, you're going to trade away a guy who will be better than Danny Granger in 2 years. I'll pass.
I can't believe Paul George is holding up a dwight howard trade....

As a fan I would be pissed off if that was the hang up to acquiring Howard. I know PG is projected to be pretty good player but Danny would be a great pairing with Howard. IF I had Howard I would want a guy who can knock down a 3's and have a half way decent mid range game. DG would be better pairing with Howard IMO.


Absolutely.

And you take Arenas' albatross contract if you have to as well.
No thank you unless you want the Pacers to be the Magic 2.0.

I also think Howard is smart enough to see that Arenas hinders his chances to get to a championship. He wouldn't accept a package deal including Arenas.

thefeistyone
04-25-2011, 06:24 PM
It would be amazing to have howard on the team.

For those of you that don't want howard give me a second to count all the dominant center left. There's some good ones but no game changers like him.

The pacers have put together a heck of a supporting cast to team with a superstar if they can ever get their hands on one.

I don't know if you can risk a Nets scenario and trade away some young pieces if you don't already have him signed to an extension. Nets gave up a good point guard, a top 5 pick in Favors and draft picks. Come next year they may have nothing to show for it. That would be a nightmare.

Best case, just let your young team develop and take your runs at them in free agency. We'll have some money to burn.

MillerTime
04-25-2011, 10:04 PM
In all reality, if we want any shot at Dwight, we're going to have to give up pieces, just as NJ did. I know this isn't the trade proposal thread (I apologize if it upsets anyone), but heres something I came up with....

http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/f9c602d3f2.jpg (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/)

Also, add our first rounder this year to Orlando....

Felton/Price
Mayo/Stephenson
George/Jones
Hansbrough/?????
Dwight/???????