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Kegboy
10-05-2004, 02:27 PM
Wow. Well, this is certainly gonna help the argument that JO should be playing C in name as well as function.

http://www.nba.com/pacers/news/camp_notes_041004.html


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Carlisle Impressed By Offseason Results

Several players reported on Monday looking substantially different than last season.
O’Neal weighed in at 260, nearly 20 pounds above last season’s playing weight, the result of heavy lifting throughout the summer. Jonathan Bender reported at a career-high 236. Jamaal Tinsley dropped to 185. Scot Pollard has dropped weight, while Austin Croshere has bulked up.

“Jermaine has gotten stronger. You’re going to notice a difference,” Coach Rick Carlisle said. “Scot Pollard has trimmed down, Croshere has had a great summer of building strength and endurance. Tinsley’s in the mid-180s. These guys haven’t taken the summer off. They’ve worked and it’s been productive and all those things are important headed into camp.”

O’Neal, who suffered a hyperextended left knee during the Eastern Conference Finals, wasn’t cleared to play basketball until Aug. 1. Shortly thereafter, he suffered a foot injury working out in California with Croshere and Reggie Miller. But he is fully healed from both maladies and expects to be on the floor for the first practice of camp Tuesday morning.

sweabs
10-05-2004, 02:31 PM
This just goes to show you how dedicated JO is.

He gets MVP consideration last year...and what does he do? Spends the summer training hard to improve - even when he is nursing an injury. I'm sure some of this work ethic he has displayed has rubbed off on Bender. But I thought Bender was 240??? :cry: - ;)

JO is determined...watch out.

Gyron
10-05-2004, 02:38 PM
By the time the season starts Bender will be 380 and 40 ft tall the way the rports keep coming in.

DisplacedKnick
10-05-2004, 02:50 PM
I say this every time I see that JO's weight has gone up.

I just hope he doesn't lose his quickness, athleticism & explosiveness - those are what make him special.

He hasn't so far so maybe it isn't a concern.

Kstat
10-05-2004, 03:21 PM
I say this every time I see that JO's weight has gone up.

I just hope he doesn't lose his quickness, athleticism & explosiveness - those are what make him special.

He hasn't so far so maybe it isn't a concern.



I was thinking the exact same thing, Rimfire.

JO isnt a power player. He never should try to be. He's a player that succeeds on quickness. Some players (Kobe, Baron) have bulked up, only to lose their quickness, and slim back down the following season.

ChicagoJ
10-05-2004, 03:32 PM
Reggie did that once, too. Remember the mid-90's vintage Reggie with biceps?

Didn't I see that JO and Bender were both adding lower body bulk - that should not hinder thier quickness, but at worst be neutral to thier quickness while helping thier leverage (center of mass) (if not potentially enhancing thier explosiveness).

Kstat, Rimfire,

I think you guys, as non-Pacers fans, are just afraid of how dominant JO could be if his power game was equivalent to his speed game. :devil:

Kstat
10-05-2004, 03:55 PM
Reggie did that once, too. Remember the mid-90's vintage Reggie with biceps?

Didn't I see that JO and Bender were both adding lower body bulk - that should not hinder thier quickness, but at worst be neutral to thier quickness while helping thier leverage (center of mass) (if not potentially enhancing thier explosiveness).

Kstat, Rimfire,

I think you guys, as non-Pacers fans, are just afraid of how dominant JO could be if his power game was equivalent to his speed game. :devil:


problem is, Jay, you can't have both. Even Jordan slowed down a bit when he started bulking up.

The only big men in NBA HISTORY that I can recall having a great amount of both speed and power, were Olajuwon, Malone and Chamberlain. Thats it.

ROCislandWarrior
10-05-2004, 04:15 PM
I hope this means that JO is going back to the low block instead of floating around the elbows.

It will be interesting to see how the weight affects his game because I thought the Pacers were going to run and gun more this year?

DisplacedKnick
10-05-2004, 05:36 PM
I say this every time I see that JO's weight has gone up.

I just hope he doesn't lose his quickness, athleticism & explosiveness - those are what make him special.

He hasn't so far so maybe it isn't a concern.



Short of being a pro body builder type, extra strength enhances quickness and explosiveness (particularly).


Sure it does - and extra weight decreases it. There's a point of diminishing returns. Believe me - I know. In HS I played basketball and wrestled. Wrestling's all about lower body strength - but I wasn't as quick (and anyone not in the heavyweight class tried to keep their weight down while they did it).

I don't know that JO has reached that point of diminishing returns. Some people add the strength and it's exactly as you say. Some add strength and lose some of their quickness and athleticism. I just worry if JO will one day reach the second stage.

blanket
10-05-2004, 06:07 PM
He's a player that succeeds on quickness. Some players (Kobe, Baron) have bulked up, only to lose their quickness, and slim back down the following season.

http://www.dailynews.com/Stories/0,1413,200~25388~2446585,00.html

According to this article, Kobe has bulked up yet again this season to 230 pounds. I guess it's working for him. :devil:

beast23
10-05-2004, 06:23 PM
Reggie did that once, too. Remember the mid-90's vintage Reggie with biceps?

Didn't I see that JO and Bender were both adding lower body bulk - that should not hinder thier quickness, but at worst be neutral to thier quickness while helping thier leverage (center of mass) (if not potentially enhancing thier explosiveness).

Kstat, Rimfire,

I think you guys, as non-Pacers fans, are just afraid of how dominant JO could be if his power game was equivalent to his speed game. :devil:


problem is, Jay, you can't have both. Even Jordan slowed down a bit when he started bulking up.

The only big men in NBA HISTORY that I can recall having a great amount of both speed and power, were Olajuwon, Malone and Chamberlain. Thats it.

And McGinnis. :)

But I agree with both you and Rim.

It's not often that you see an athlete of any size add 20 pounds in a relatively short period of time and not lose some quickness, especially laterally.

SoupIsGood
10-05-2004, 06:49 PM
Even if JO has lost a little quickness, is it really going to be enough to matter all that much?

Hicks
10-05-2004, 06:55 PM
I believe this weight gain is going to be more of a bonus than not.

Burt_Reincarnated
10-05-2004, 07:11 PM
Does anyone else think JO gained 15lbs because he was sittin with a bum knee most the summer? That's not a good thing

ChicagoJ
10-05-2004, 09:53 PM
Since JO hasn't been on the court much this summer, and he has some extra muscle mass to deal with:

Expect him to be slow out of the gate this season while he gets his timing back.

Doug
10-05-2004, 10:35 PM
Perhaps this deserves it's own thread, but...

...does this mean JO should start at center and <shudder> Bender should start at PF?

Let the revolution begin!!!

Young
10-05-2004, 10:37 PM
I think with JO's added weigt raises the question, can he play center?

ChicagoJ
10-05-2004, 10:43 PM
I think with JO's added weigt raises the question, can he play center?

Of course he can. JO effectively played most of his minutes at C last season while Foster and Al split the PF minutes. He was third in the MVP voting, so I think he's pretty effective at the "5" spot. He's a PF in name only, primarily because Ben's on the all-star ballot at C.

Kstat
10-05-2004, 10:45 PM
I think the future of the Pacers will be Bender at PF and JO at C.

I just don't think that year is 2005. I still dont think either player is ready for full-time duty at that position, bender ESPECIALLY.

next year though, I'd look closely at it.

SycamoreKen
10-05-2004, 10:56 PM
Duncan plays at 260 and moves pretty well, so I think JO can handle it.

Anthem
10-05-2004, 10:59 PM
I think the future of the Pacers will be Bender at PF and JO at C.

I just don't think that year is 2005. I still dont think either player is ready for full-time duty at that position, bender ESPECIALLY.

next year though, I'd look closely at it.

Even if Bender's really good, I don't think anyone's saying Foster's starting job is in danger just yet.

Foster, though, is ideal as a 3rd player in a power rotation, not a second player.

ChicagoJ
10-05-2004, 11:00 PM
Perhaps this deserves it's own thread, but...

...does this mean JO should start at center and <shudder> Bender should start at PF?

Let the revolution begin!!!


I ran that thread last week, before we knew JO was up to 260. Its been pushed to page #2.

Here's the link:

http://www.pacersdigest.com/cgi-bin/bbBoard.cgi?a=viewthread;fid=1;gtid=95416

Anthem
10-05-2004, 11:01 PM
Duncan plays at 260 and moves pretty well, so I think JO can handle it.

You know, it's funny. Duncan seems broader in my mind than JO. I can't imagine JO at 260.

Doug
10-05-2004, 11:11 PM
Perhaps this deserves it's own thread, but...

...does this mean JO should start at center and <shudder> Bender should start at PF?

Let the revolution begin!!!


I ran that thread last week, before we knew JO was up to 260. Its been pushed to page #2.

Here's the link:

http://www.pacersdigest.com/cgi-bin/bbBoard.cgi?a=viewthread;fid=1;gtid=95416


I figured that'd been discussed, but didn't see it on the first page. My bad.

RA231
10-05-2004, 11:22 PM
Bender at PF and JO at C might mean more minutes for Fred Jones at shooting gaurd becuase Jackson will back Artest at SF. I see JO at center, he didnt like playing it last year because he felt like he was getting a beating down low, with 20 extra pounds he'll be the one laying the beating.

RA231
10-05-2004, 11:25 PM
This season is looking better and better. Tinsley lost weight, JO, Bender, and Croshere gained weight by lifting weights. Croshere also improved his endurance. Does anybody think that everybody has been workin the asses off this offseason is becuase they are all fighting for more playing time this season? Ahhhhhh, the advatages of depth.

SoupIsGood
10-06-2004, 05:21 AM
Hmm... this article didn't even mention the feisty one.

He spends his summer working with Duncan and a lot of spurs, right?

RA231
10-06-2004, 12:12 PM
I think so. Maybe he didnt this past year. Who knows. :whoknows: Well who knows on this board, Im sure Rick would.