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wseward
04-19-2011, 05:41 PM
I am not hear to complaing about the refs, just merely want to share an observation from the last couple games.

I have noticed Boozer on multiple plays just putting both forearms or hands on our player's back and just pushing them way out of position. I haven't really noticed it before. Or, when players have been driving to the bucket he will push our players out of position with that same technique.

can't really find highlights of a player rebounding but here is one example from game 1:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZedIJ3TJjc

watch as rose finishes the play and gets fouled

BPump33
04-19-2011, 05:44 PM
He and Noah both are constantly just shoving people in the back. If you don't think it's happening, start watching for it. It's ridiculous.

CableKC
04-19-2011, 05:46 PM
Is that legal?

In regards to Boozer...I noticed that there is some tension building between Hansbrough and Boozer....as Webber noted...maybe more of a Duke/UNC rivalry there. My impression is that Hansbrough is getting under Boozer's skin as he and Foster are the only 2 Players in the Frontcourt that won't get pushed around in the paint due to their strength.

pizza guy
04-19-2011, 06:02 PM
http://i762.photobucket.com/albums/xx261/SmittyPK/boozer_push.jpg

Sorry it's so fuzzy, but I took a screen shot of Boozer shoving Hans. It's ridiculous how blatant it is. It's not incidental at all. You would think someone would notice this.

ilive4sports
04-19-2011, 06:13 PM
No, its not legal at all. Your not allowed to shove the guy off his spot. He and Noah have been doing it all series. This is something I have noticed and definitely goes into why I think they allow Chicago to play more physical than the Pacers. Hans and Hibbert get called for a foul if the do that.

TMJ31
04-19-2011, 06:14 PM
http://i762.photobucket.com/albums/xx261/SmittyPK/boozer_push.jpg

Sorry it's so fuzzy, but I took a screen shot of Boozer shoving Hans. It's ridiculous how blatant it is. It's not incidental at all. You would think someone would notice this.

Oh everyone notices it, they just don't care.

Remember, the Bulls are NBA darlings this year.

IndySDExport
04-19-2011, 07:02 PM
What's chiding me now about Booze:

Not only does he blatantly push our players out of position for rebounds,

but each defensive rebound he grabs is accompanied by a "Give me that ******!!!" scream. I've heard it several times during the live broadcasts. He's a whiner when he doesn't get calls and a a$$ when he grabs a board. I just want Tyler to posterize him (often) and scream "Should have stayed in Cleveland!" Each and every time.

JEM
04-19-2011, 07:28 PM
Anyone have the replays of when Hansbrough ( GM 1 ) and Foster ( GM 2 ) were both shoved out of bounds?

I mentioned in another thread about this being the reason why the Bulls are getting so many offensive rebounds.

CableKC
04-19-2011, 07:44 PM
What's chiding me now about Booze:

Not only does he blatantly push our players out of position for rebounds,

but each defensive rebound he grabs is accompanied by a "Give me that ******!!!" scream. I've heard it several times during the live broadcasts. He's a whiner when he doesn't get calls and a a$$ when he grabs a board. I just want Tyler to posterize him (often) and scream "Should have stayed in Cleveland!" Each and every time.
Have you ever seen Hansbrough grab...no RIP...a rebound away from a defender when going for the ball inside the paint?

Hansbrough has the same exact attitude when it comes to grabbing a rebound...it's his ball and no one will take it away from him without getting a razor sharp elbow to the face. When you see Hansbrough grab a rebound....you'll know what I'm talking about.

Personally, I'm waiting for Hansbrough to really mix it up with Boozer and lay him out when he sharply swing those elbows of his at eye level. They already have been doing it in the 1st 2 games. What I love about Hansbrough is that he don't care who you are....he's going to be physical with you inside the paint.

ilive4sports
04-19-2011, 07:50 PM
Have you ever seen Hansbrough grab...no RIP...a rebound away from a defender when going for the ball inside the paint?

Hansbrough has the same exact attitude when it comes to grabbing a rebound...it's his ball and no one will take it away from him without getting a razor sharp elbow to the face. When you see Hansbrough grab a rebound....you'll know what I'm talking about.

Personally, I'm waiting for Hansbrough to really mix it up with Boozer and lay him out when he sharply swing those elbows of his at eye level. They already have been doing it in the 1st 2 games. What I love about Hansbrough is that he don't care who you are....he's going to be physical with you inside the paint.

Well thats not the problem, the problem is Boozer feels the need to yell "Gimmie that ****!" on all his rebounds. It can be heard clearly on tv and is pretty damn annoying to listen to.

CableKC
04-19-2011, 07:56 PM
Well thats not the problem, the problem is Boozer feels the need to yell "Gimmie that ****!" on all his rebounds. It can be heard clearly on tv and is pretty damn annoying to listen to.
I'm telling you..one day, Hansbrough and Boozer are going to mix it up while going for a rebound.

ilive4sports
04-19-2011, 07:57 PM
I'm telling you..one day, Hansbrough and Boozer are going to mix it up while going for a rebound.

I hope they do and I think Tyler will come out on the better end. UNC vs Duke, Pacer vs Bull, the story line is there already.

PacerDude
04-19-2011, 08:28 PM
I thought Boozer was pretty cheap the way he shoved Tyler from behind in Game 1 when Tyler had the breakaway dunk.

Boozer = fake tough.

idioteque
04-19-2011, 08:37 PM
Boozer is fake tough and while he can catch you on a bad night, you rarely see him go toe to toe with someone, especially in the playoffs. I hope he doesn't let his mouth get the best of him and **** of Hansbrough, who is certifiably crazy.

xIndyFan
04-19-2011, 08:48 PM
this is playoff basketball. of course there is going to be pushing. the idea is to get the guys on your team that are the best pushers. watch jeff some time, he does the same thing. tyler and roy have to become the pusher instead of the pushee. the sin here is not the push, but getting pushed out of position. :shrug:

Kid Minneapolis
04-19-2011, 08:53 PM
I never really watched Boozer all that close, until this series... I've been losing respect for him with each game as I watch how he conducts himself as a person and a player. It takes a lot for me to say that... I generally like everyone lol. He's damn near "putz" status with me.

BPump33
04-19-2011, 09:05 PM
this is playoff basketball. of course there is going to be pushing. the idea is to get the guys on your team that are the best pushers. watch jeff some time, he does the same thing. tyler and roy have to become the pusher instead of the pushee. the sin here is not the push, but getting pushed out of position. :shrug:

No, the push is not a sin. It's a foul. That's what it should be called as. Regular season, playoffs, whatever the blatant shove from behind is a foul.

I'm all for physical play, but that ***** is garbage.

Eleazar
04-19-2011, 09:49 PM
this is playoff basketball. of course there is going to be pushing. the idea is to get the guys on your team that are the best pushers. watch jeff some time, he does the same thing. tyler and roy have to become the pusher instead of the pushee. the sin here is not the push, but getting pushed out of position. :shrug:

It is one thing to try and move the player into a bad position with your body, another to just push him out of the way. You are talking about the former, and everyone else is talking about the latter.

15th parallel
04-19-2011, 10:17 PM
I'm thinking that if Hans would try to "flop", meaning instead of resisting the force on his back, he'll just let himself fall after the push. Would the referees call a loose ball foul on Boozer?

The problem in this series is, if Hans, Foster, or anybody on the Pacers will do that, it's a foul. That is why it's hard for them to do that, because when they do the same they'll be in foul trouble.

Day-V
04-19-2011, 10:22 PM
Boozer makes Bosh look like Dale Davis when it comes to toughness.

Richard_Skull
04-20-2011, 04:09 AM
Plain and simple: Boozer is a punk B*tch. He screams like a b*tch every time he goes through the paint. Tries to act tough with his "gimme that s***" talk, and uses the entire Punk Move book and I hope Tyler exposes this fools lack of integrity to play a man's sport.

/endrant

Whiskeyjim
04-20-2011, 07:51 AM
The push is clearly a foul, and Boozer does it all the time.

What is worse is when Boozer punches Tyler in the small of the back. I've seen him do it a number of times. You can injure someone like that.

What Tyler can not do is allow him to manhandle him. It is an alpha male thing pure and simple. If someone gets hurt, the refs are going to take a shellacking.

If I was Vogel or Bird, I'd be all over this to the NBA. Boozer is going to hurt someone unless Hans punches him in the face.

Unclebuck
04-20-2011, 08:14 AM
Oh everyone notices it, they just don't care.

Remember, the Bulls are NBA darlings this year.


No, not really. Lakers, Heat and Celtics are better TV draws. The Bulls were only on ABC 2 times this year, while the lakers were on 6 times, Magic, Celtics and Heat were all on 5 times. No other teams were on more than twice.

pacergod2
04-20-2011, 09:24 AM
Yeah the TV thing is because nobody expected the Bulls to be as good as they have been. It is not an indication of the NBA's love for Michael Jordan bandwagon fans.

As for Boozer. This is the playoffs. You bring it every single time. You do what the refs let you get away with. I don't blame Boozer. Boozer is as tough as it gets. Period. I know this is one of those Pacer homer threads. I get that. I am rooting for the Pacers too, but to say that Boozer isn't tough is beyond ridiculous. He is one of the best rebounders in the game. He is one of the nicest guys there is off the court, from what I hear. I would take him on the Pacers any day. He is actually the player that I correlated to being Tyler's upside. I hope Tyler is as good in the pick and roll some day. I hope he is as good of a rebounder. Tyler is already showing the same leadership and lack of vertical that Boozer has displayed over his career.

Guys, its the playoffs. The game is more physical. Either sack up or go home. Hansborough isn't complaining and that is why I really like the kid. Foster will ***** but its because he is a 12 year veteran with a little pull from the officials. They both have done a great job being physical with Boozer. It isn't too often a couple of young kids and a wiley vet play up to the level of toughness of a guy like Boozer. I like what I am seeing from our front court, regardless of officiating.

BPump33
04-20-2011, 09:30 AM
Yeah the TV thing is because nobody expected the Bulls to be as good as they have been. It is not an indication of the NBA's love for Michael Jordan bandwagon fans.

As for Boozer. This is the playoffs. You bring it every single time. You do what the refs let you get away with. I don't blame Boozer. Boozer is as tough as it gets. Period. I know this is one of those Pacer homer threads. I get that. I am rooting for the Pacers too, but to say that Boozer isn't tough is beyond ridiculous. He is one of the best rebounders in the game. He is one of the nicest guys there is off the court, from what I hear. I would take him on the Pacers any day. He is actually the player that I correlated to being Tyler's upside. I hope Tyler is as good in the pick and roll some day. I hope he is as good of a rebounder. Tyler is already showing the same leadership and lack of vertical that Boozer has displayed over his career.

Guys, its the playoffs. The game is more physical. Either sack up or go home. Hansborough isn't complaining and that is why I really like the kid. Foster will ***** but its because he is a 12 year veteran with a little pull from the officials. They both have done a great job being physical with Boozer. It isn't too often a couple of young kids and a wiley vet play up to the level of toughness of a guy like Boozer. I like what I am seeing from our front court, regardless of officiating.

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That's what I'm complaining about, that the refs are letting him do it.

I guess I'm ridiculous and we'll have to agree to disagree.

I agree and I'm glad Tyler isn't complaining. We are fans, we can't get him back on the court. Sadly, this is our court.

But I do understand your points.

pacergod2
04-20-2011, 09:35 AM
I guess I'm ridiculous and we'll have to agree to disagree.


That is kool, but why is he not tough? I mean we are complaining about Boozer throwing 6'11" guys out of bounds. You and I sure as hell can't do that.

BPump33
04-20-2011, 09:38 AM
That is kool, but why is he not tough? I mean we are complaining about Boozer throwing 6'11" guys out of bounds. You and I sure as hell can't do that.

When a guy is about to jump and you shove him in the small of the back I don't consider that tough. I consider that cheap and garbage. It's not like he's just getting position, he is blatantly taking two hands and shoving. A lot.

Of course, compared to you and I he's tough, but we aren't out there. They are all tough compared to us.

Kraut N Beer
04-20-2011, 10:01 AM
Apparantly this is nothing new. Even the Zen Master got fired up about it before in 2008. If Phil couldn't get it stopped, then it's going to keep happening. The Pacers should adopt this same policy on their home court.

http://articles.ocregister.com/2008-05-10/sports/24608441_1_phil-jackson-referee-guys



Phil Jackson says Carlos Boozer is still pushing guys

May 10, 2008|By Property of The OC RegisterSALT LAKE CITY -- Before heading up here, Phil Jackson was asked about getting fined by the NBA for criticizing referee performance at Utah Jazz home games, and he smiled and said: "I have amnesia about that situation."

Perhaps that moment in the final minutes of the game Friday night when Jackson saw Carlos Boozer shove Derek Fisher aside, accept the ball and hit a jumper gave Jackson more clarity of mind. Or maybe it was Jackson practically running after referee Monty McCutchen on the sideline after that play. (I say "practically," because Jackson's can't really run anymore, even though he's wearing those sneaker-style dress shoes again with his suits because his hips are hurting.)

Anyway, here's what Jackson said today when told Utah coach Jerry Sloan wasn't happy with some things Kobe Bryant might be getting away with: "He (Sloan) can't even open his mouth to speak about that the way Boozer pushes and shoves out there. I mean, he got away with all his pushes (Friday night) that he was getting called on in L.A., so in that regard you just let it go and say the stars get to play their games and the other guys have to keep their hands to themselves."

DaveP63
04-20-2011, 11:21 AM
[QUOTE=15th parallel;1219003]I'm thinking that if Hans would try to "flop", meaning instead of resisting the force on his back, he'll just let himself fall after the push. Would the referees call a loose ball foul on Boozer? [QUOTE]

I have a hard time imagining Tyler flopping on the floor like a hooked trout...

DTheKing23
04-20-2011, 12:22 PM
All I hope for is that the NBA realizes one day that a foul is a foul regardless of the superstar or bench player committing it

graphic-er
04-20-2011, 12:58 PM
I think what it comes down to is that the officials think too much of themselves. Once a player is allowed to do something on a consistent basis, then the refs will not stop it. They think it will make them look too stupid and destroy any credibility. Because atleast now they can still say, well I didn't see that on that play, or well you were there right in front of the action. Think if they started consistently calling
Boozer for the pushes, the league would oust them for being terrible refs.

What i hate most about Boozer is the head shaking tongue out lion roar he does just because he was able to get away with an offensive foul and make a basket.

Pacergeek
04-20-2011, 01:05 PM
the pacers just need to get tough and grab the rebounds. the Pacers were pushing the Bulls around as well. i would like to see Paul George become much more agressive rebounding the ball. he has the hight and the jump to become an effective rebounder. he needs to embrace the role of defensive stopper.

IUfan4life
04-20-2011, 01:10 PM
What's chiding me now about Booze:

Not only does he blatantly push our players out of position for rebounds,

but each defensive rebound he grabs is accompanied by a "Give me that ******!!!" scream. I've heard it several times during the live broadcasts. He's a whiner when he doesn't get calls and a a$$ when he grabs a board. I just want Tyler to posterize him (often) and scream "Should have stayed in Cleveland!" Each and every time.

says something about the chicago crowd that we can hear him.

Suck it bulls

BPump33
04-20-2011, 01:12 PM
the pacers just need to get tough and grab the rebounds. the Pacers were pushing the Bulls around as well. i would like to see Paul George become much more agressive rebounding the ball. he has the hight and the jump to become an effective rebounder. he needs to embrace the role of defensive stopper.

I give up. I'm just saying that to me, "toughness" is not pushing someone from behind when they are about to go up.

I'm fine that people think that I am whining, but just do me the favor of keeping your eyes on Boozer down low when a shot goes up. Hopefully, that will change your mind.

TMJ31
04-20-2011, 01:30 PM
No, not really. Lakers, Heat and Celtics are better TV draws. The Bulls were only on ABC 2 times this year, while the lakers were on 6 times, Magic, Celtics and Heat were all on 5 times. No other teams were on more than twice.

Fair point.

I guess what I was trying to say is that if given the option to either give the CHICAGO Bulls or the INDIANA Pacers an advantage via officiating, the NBA would obviously rather have Chicago advance for viewing number/$ reasons.

Whiskeyjim
04-26-2011, 06:53 PM
I'm not sure what the debate is about on this thread.

Anyone playing sports for any length of time can tell you the difference between tough and dirty is really quite significant. Is Boozer tough? I imagine so. But then, I believe Hans is too.

Is Boozer dirty? Wow. You bet. But there is even a distinction to be made in dirty play, because there's lots of dirty moves that are just nauseating and meant to offend and distract the other player.

Then there is the kind of dirty that is illegal for a very good reason; it can hurt people. That is the kind of dirty Boozer is. Watch him play. It is obvious. I see even Phil Jackson mentioned it.

owl
04-26-2011, 07:29 PM
The way you stop is do the same thing. If the refs call you on it point out Boozers technique to them.
Don't let the refs off the hook.

vapacersfan
04-26-2011, 07:39 PM
I have noticed this since game 1.

TO me thing means two things:

1. NBA refs suck and are idiots (a possibility)

2. NBA refs have gotten used to his play and just accept it (a possibility)

3 The refs are crooked (oh no, we cannot talk about this.)

I would not be surprised to see it be a mixture of any of the above.

Anthem
04-26-2011, 07:59 PM
What's chiding me now about Boozer
No.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/chide

JEM
04-26-2011, 09:04 PM
Hey.. They finally called the push in the back in Game 5. Took them long enough.

kidthecat
04-26-2011, 10:13 PM
They've been calling it better than I expected. In all truthfulness, I think Boozer's presence hampers the Bulls, so I am okay with the occasional missed shove or elbow.


No.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/chide

Anything relevant to the -- you know -- basketball topic? Whoops, sorry, sentence fragment. Oh, damn, did it again.

BigDaddy
04-26-2011, 10:19 PM
Funny reading all the negatives about Boozer yelling or flopping or being dirty, when Hansbrough looks for the flop or over exaggerates every time down the floor on defense. Boozer is no more dirty than mcroberts(who just got thrown out).. he lost his cool becuase noah fed him some of the medicine that the pacers have been giving the bulls all series, except he wasnt mature or well coached enough to take it. series over pacers. have a good summer.