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avoidingtheclowns
04-10-2011, 05:30 PM
FICKS THE KNICKS


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Game Time Start: 7:00 PM EST
Where: Conseco Fieldhouse, Indianapolis, IN
Officials: E. Malloy, E. Lewis, L. Richardson

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<TABLE border=0 bordercolor=black cellspacing="0" cellpadding="10"><TR><TD align="top"><TABLE border=2 bordercolor=black><TR><TH bgColor=#003366 colSpan=3>Season Records: (W-L)</TH></TR>
<TR><TD>:xpacers:</TD><TD align="middle" width="70"><CENTER>37-43</CENTER></TD><TD align="middle" width="100"><CENTER>(Home: 23-16)</CENTER></TD></TR><TR><TD>:knicks:</TD><td align="middle" width="70"><CENTER>41-38</center></TD><TD align="middle" width="100"><CENTER>(Away: 18-21)</CENTER></TD></TR></TABLE></TD>

<TD valign="bottom"><TABLE border=2 bordercolor=black><TR><TH bgColor=#003366 colSpan=4>Upcoming Games:</TH></TR><TR><TD><CENTER>Apr 13</CENTER></TD><TD><CENTER>Apr</CENTER></TD><TD><CENTER>Apr</CENTER></TD><TD><CENTER>Apr</CENTER></TD></TR><TR><TD>at :magic:</TD><TD>at :bulls:</TD><TD>at :bulls:</TD><TD>vs :bulls:</TD></TR><TR><TD><CENTER>8:00 pm</CENTER></TD><TD><CENTER>PLAYOFFS</CENTER></TD><TD><CENTER>PLAYOFFS</CENTER></TD><TD><CENTER>PLAYOFFS</CENTER></TD></TR></TABLE></TD></TR></TABLE>

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http://www.nba.com/tvc/image/assets/wordmarks/IND_wordmark.png Projected Starting Lineup:</TH><TR><TD align=middle width=90><CENTER>C</CENTER></TD><TD align=middle width=90><CENTER>PF</CENTER></TD><TD align=middle width=90><CENTER>SF</CENTER></TD><TD align=middle width=90><CENTER>SG</CENTER></TD><TD align=middle width=90><CENTER>PG</CENTER></TD></TR><TR><TD align=middle width=90><CENTER>http://www.nba.com/media/playerfile/roy_hibbert.jpg</CENTER></TD><TD align=middle width=90><CENTER>http://www.nba.com/media/playerfile/tyler_hansbrough.jpg</CENTER></TD><TD align=middle width=90><CENTER>http://www.nba.com/media/playerfile/danny_granger.jpg</CENTER></TD><TD align=middle width=90><CENTER>http://www.nba.com/media/playerfile/paul_george.jpg</CENTER></TD><TD align=middle width=90><CENTER>http://www.nba.com/media/playerfile/darren_collison.jpg</CENTER></TD></TR><TR><TD align=middle width=90><CENTER>HIBBERT</CENTER></TD><TD align=middle width=90><CENTER>HANSBROUGH</CENTER></TD><TD align=middle width=90><CENTER>GRANGER</CENTER></TD><TD align=middle width=90><CENTER>GEORGE</CENTER></TD><TD align=middle width=90><CENTER>COLLISON</CENTER></TD></TR><TR><TH bgColor= #FF6600 colSpan=6>
http://www.nba.com/tvc/image/assets/wordmarks/NYK_wordmark.png Projected Starting Lineup:</TH><TR><TD align=middle width=90><CENTER>C</CENTER></TD><TD align=middle width=90><CENTER>PF</CENTER></TD><TD align=middle width=90><CENTER>SF</CENTER></TD><TD align=middle width=90><CENTER>SG</CENTER></TD><TD align=middle width=90><CENTER>PG</CENTER></TD></TR><TR><TD align=middle width=90><CENTER>http://www.nba.com/media/playerfile/shelden_williams.jpg</CENTER></TD><TD align=middle width=90><CENTER>http://www.nba.com/media/playerfile/shawne_williams.jpg</CENTER></TD><TD align=middle width=90><CENTER>http://www.nba.com/media/playerfile/carmelo_anthony.jpg</CENTER></TD><TD align=middle width=90><CENTER>http://www.nba.com/media/playerfile/landry_fields.jpg</CENTER></TD><TD align=middle width=90><CENTER>http://www.nba.com/media/playerfile/chauncey_billups.jpg</CENTER></TD></TR><TR><TD align=middle width=90><CENTER>WILLIAMS</CENTER></TD><TD align=middle width=90><CENTER>WILLIAMS</CENTER></TD><TD align=middle width=90><CENTER>ANTHONY</CENTER></TD><TD align=middle width=90><CENTER>FIELDS</CENTER></TD><TD align=middle width=90><CENTER>BILLUPS</CENTER></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>


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On this site, we have generally and rightfully so in my<br>eyes, obviously been critical of the way the Pacers<br>have played down the stretch. They went on a six-game<br>losing streak early in March. They pulled out of this<br>tailspin with back-to-back wins over the Knicks and that<br>was encouraging, but they looked very poor, both<br>execution- and effort-wise, while being blown out by<br>both the Celtics and the Grizzlies soon after. They looked<br>just as bad, and perhaps worse...CONTINUE READING 8p9s (http://www.eightpointsnineseconds.com/2011/04/game-80-recap-pacers-starting-to-look-like-they-deserve-to-play-in-the-postseason/)</TD></TR></TABLE>

Trophy
04-10-2011, 05:33 PM
Shawne Williams at PF? :laugh:

Can't wait to see Tyler own that matchup.

pacer4ever
04-10-2011, 05:50 PM
Shawne Williams at PF? :laugh:

Can't wait to see Tyler own that matchup.

When Tyler doesnt get out on him taking 3s it wont be :lol:

daschysta
04-10-2011, 05:53 PM
Williams won't be out there taking 3's for long if he fouls out trying to defend tyler on the block, and then the lols return.

Psyren
04-10-2011, 05:55 PM
What? No Jared Jeffries at center?

That was working out so well for them

pacer4ever
04-10-2011, 05:57 PM
What? No Jared Jeffries at center?

That was working out so well for them

Jefferies might be better than Sheldon that guys terrible

Trophy
04-10-2011, 06:01 PM
Shelden Williams isn't a terrible defender.

pacer4ever
04-10-2011, 06:02 PM
Shelden Williams isn't a terrible defender.

No he is just a terrible all around player his wife might be better.

LucasRL13
04-10-2011, 06:32 PM
We need a win, and we gonna win

WE ARE PACERS BASKETBALL

KingGeorge
04-10-2011, 06:44 PM
Is T.J. Ford supposed to get some playing time tonight?

Scot Pollard
04-10-2011, 06:48 PM
why is it not a sellout tonight?

last years fan appreciation night was a sellout and we were terrible

everyone is ready for the playoffs i guess

the line was pretty long again so its probably nearing a sellout

PacerPenguins
04-10-2011, 07:09 PM
GO PACERS!!!.....cant wait till they shop the top plays of the year.....

rel
04-10-2011, 07:16 PM
kidding me...paul already with 2 fouls -__-

KingGeorge
04-10-2011, 07:20 PM
Paul is always in early foul trouble. :cry:

vnzla81
04-10-2011, 07:23 PM
Were is Amare?

kester99
04-10-2011, 07:23 PM
If we keep taking it to the hoop, this is going to work out.

Anthem
04-10-2011, 07:24 PM
Why is this game blacked out on LP Broadband?

Dr. Hibbert
04-10-2011, 07:24 PM
BRush is an alright X factor, maybe even a good one. But I hope to hell the Pacers never actually have to rely on him to do anything in the playoffs. He's just not consistently there, mentally.

LucasRL13
04-10-2011, 07:24 PM
Curiously Granger are defending well, but the team in general is playing bad defense

PacerPenguins
04-10-2011, 07:24 PM
Were is Amare?

lance shot him in the knee

ilive4sports
04-10-2011, 07:25 PM
Paul is always in early foul trouble. :cry:

He's a rookie, it plagues many.

KingGeorge
04-10-2011, 07:25 PM
Why is this game blacked out on LP Broadband?

Because it is on NBA TV, which they consider nationally televised.

KingGeorge
04-10-2011, 07:27 PM
Were is Amare?

He sprained his ankle.

cdash
04-10-2011, 07:28 PM
DC has really been excellent lately.

Sookie
04-10-2011, 07:28 PM
No he is just a terrible all around player his wife might be better.

She's better. I legit think I heard she beats him. (Granted, she used to beat Anthony Parker too..)

LucasRL13
04-10-2011, 07:29 PM
Jones on the floor

(Strategy to Chicago??? I hope)

TheDon
04-10-2011, 07:30 PM
Wow you can really hear area 55 and the crowd in this game that's awesome

Sookie
04-10-2011, 07:31 PM
DC has really been excellent lately.

Last 4 games, our PGs have a total of 51 assists and 15 turnovers (33 assists and 12 turnovers for DC, 18 assists and 3 turnovers for Price)

Pretty good.

KingGeorge
04-10-2011, 07:35 PM
It's nice to see Hansbrough come out strong.

Trophy
04-10-2011, 07:35 PM
I really hate when it's on NBATV.

I can barely hear the court.

ilive4sports
04-10-2011, 07:37 PM
Last 4 games, our PGs have a total of 51 assists and 15 turnovers (33 assists and 12 turnovers for DC, 18 assists and 3 turnovers for Price)

Pretty good.

Shhh!

These guys are terrible, don't let this fool you. It can't be that second year players are feeling more comfortable at the end of the season

/green

KingGeorge
04-10-2011, 07:39 PM
Hibbert to McRoberts FTW

TheDon
04-10-2011, 07:39 PM
Man the ball movement with this unit is sexy lol

ilive4sports
04-10-2011, 07:40 PM
Wow, Roy that was purtty

AesopRockOn
04-10-2011, 07:40 PM
****ing Carmelo.

cdash
04-10-2011, 07:40 PM
Shhh!

These guys are terrible, don't let this fool you. It can't be that second year players are feeling more comfortable at the end of the season

/green

Yeah all of that stuff bothered me when people were ripping them apart and acting like we needed to make a move for another point guard this offseason. DC especially hasn't really been allowed a comfort zone in the NBA with the five or so different head coaches he has had.

On another note, I would be very interested in resigning Mike Dunleavy this offseason for a smaller deal than he has now. MLE type money would be good for a player like him.

Sookie
04-10-2011, 07:41 PM
I love the Bench + Roy lineup..ball movement and player movement is so pretty..

Kemo
04-10-2011, 07:41 PM
nice 1st quarter ..

Trophy
04-10-2011, 07:42 PM
This is gonna be a non defensive game.

Scot Pollard
04-10-2011, 07:42 PM
this is a nice crowd

one we'll most likely going to see a lot of next season

ilive4sports
04-10-2011, 07:45 PM
Yeah all of that stuff bothered me when people were ripping them apart and acting like we needed to make a move for another point guard this offseason. DC especially hasn't really been allowed a comfort zone in the NBA with the five or so different head coaches he has had.

On another note, I would be very interested in resigning Mike Dunleavy this offseason for a smaller deal than he has now. MLE type money would be good for a player like him.

As long as he stays backing up Granger I am perfectly ok with that. I've been calling for that pretty much all year. I just like him much more at SF than SG. We are finally in a spot where we can have him play back up SF beause George and Rush are capable at the SG spot.

KingGeorge
04-10-2011, 07:49 PM
T.J. Ford sighting..

ilive4sports
04-10-2011, 07:50 PM
I think Danny was just like, "Am I really this open? Was there a foul called? Can I shoot it? I can? Ok, swish"

cdash
04-10-2011, 07:51 PM
Good to see TJ Ford out there.

Ozwalt72
04-10-2011, 07:51 PM
Pretty teardrop by Dunleavy.

Ford looks happy to be playing.

Trophy
04-10-2011, 07:51 PM
Nice to see TJ getting a few garbage minutes in a pretty pointless game.

I love how efficient our offense has been. Hope the players are ready to head into the playoffs this way.

Phree Refill
04-10-2011, 07:51 PM
I hope TJ gets a triple double in the 10 minutes of floor time he'll likely see.

Anthem
04-10-2011, 07:56 PM
Shhh!

These guys are terrible, don't let this fool you. It can't be that second year players are feeling more comfortable at the end of the season

/green
I seem to recall a lot of us making that point early in the season every season... Gotta get the kids some burn early in the fall so they're ready in the spring.

Ozwalt72
04-10-2011, 07:57 PM
Oh my god TJ!

TJ "X-Factor" Ford

jk...I think

Dr. Hibbert
04-10-2011, 07:58 PM
I *really* hope Dunleavy finds his shot soon. He makes such a difference with his movement. Just wish he had his shot back to go along with it.

AesopRockOn
04-10-2011, 07:58 PM
When Mike's on his game, he's pretty nice to watch. Very entertaining final home game we have so far.

Anthem
04-10-2011, 07:58 PM
Because it is on NBA TV, which they consider nationally televised.
Then NBA TV games should be included in League Pass Broadband.

Trophy
04-10-2011, 07:59 PM
These are the fun games to watch.

Ones that don't matter, a full house, and the fact that we're going to the playoffs makes this last home game better.

There's a lot of energy in this game.

kester99
04-10-2011, 07:59 PM
There's a lot of good to say about TJ's 'present'. I'm glad we can take advantage of it. He's just not the future.

Kemo
04-10-2011, 08:01 PM
JOSH!! AND-1

luis3ep
04-10-2011, 08:02 PM
Mike is so smart when it comes to basketball. It's a shame he wasn't gifted athletically like most scorers.

Jon Theodore
04-10-2011, 08:04 PM
I LOVE watching Dunleavy/McRoberts/Foster play together. Those three guys just KNOW how to move the ball, make good cuts, set the right screens, etc.

Excellent passing/screening ability with all three of those guys, they really just play the right way on offense. Too bad Foster could never develop a jump shot.

ilive4sports
04-10-2011, 08:05 PM
I *really* hope Dunleavy finds his shot soon. He makes such a difference with his movement. Just wish he had his shot back to go along with it.

He's shooting like 50% since he came back.

kester99
04-10-2011, 08:06 PM
I LOVE watching Dunleavy/McRoberts/Foster play together. Those three guys just KNOW how to move the ball, make good cuts, set the right screens, etc.

Excellent passing/screening ability with all three of those guys, they really just play the right way on offense. Too bad Foster could never develop a jump shot.

Roy was looking pretty good in there with Mike and Josh, also. Very encouraging.

kester99
04-10-2011, 08:08 PM
He's shooting like 50% since he came back.


Yep. 4 for 8 tonight. That 3's just not dropping like it was there for awhile. 0-2 for the 3 so far tonight.

Jon Theodore
04-10-2011, 08:10 PM
I just turned the game on......ANY coach would have a difficult time deciding who should start between Josh/Tyler. I just laugh when I see people post that we NEED a pf. These two guys are not All-Stars...but both are solid NBA bigs.

I certainly enjoy the versatility we have with those two.

ilive4sports
04-10-2011, 08:14 PM
They have taken 24 FT's and have hit 8 threes. Can't let them do that.

AesopRockOn
04-10-2011, 08:16 PM
Hopefully they cool off in the second half. Just gotta stay aggressive and hungry. Maybe PG can log more than 2 1/2 minutes.

Scot Pollard
04-10-2011, 08:19 PM
these bandwagon fans look the same to me just in different jerseys the celtics, bulls, lakers, heat fans

they think theyre winners but theyre really losers

fans like us are winners

great crowd tonight im sitting down low tonight hoping to get a giveaway

as far as the pacers go tonight we have to defend better than this and stop letting them have an easy game and stop carmelo anthony hes overrated

ilive4sports
04-10-2011, 08:24 PM
these bandwagon fans look the same to me just in different jerseys the celtics, bulls, lakers, heat fans

they think theyre winners but theyre really losers

fans like us are winners

great crowd tonight im sitting down low tonight hoping to get a giveaway

as far as the pacers go tonight we have to defend better than this and stop letting them have an easy game and stop carmelo anthony hes overrated

Man you really gotta stop worrying about attendance and who is there, especially when they are in Pacers gear. Its this way all over the country, especially in this economy. People aren't going to shell out money to watch their team lose. They are there and they are cheering for the Pacers, thats all that matters.

kester99
04-10-2011, 08:27 PM
We have to start chasing these guys off the 3 pt line. Close out more aggressively, eh? Knicks are 8-19 from the 3. That's 42 percent...too much.

ilive4sports
04-10-2011, 08:28 PM
We have to start chasing these guys off the 3 pt line. Close out more aggressively, eh? Knicks are 8-19 from the 3. That's 42 percent...too much.

agreed, although that last three billups hit, Collison was right there. They are just feeling it. Hopefully they cool off at half time.

yoadknux
04-10-2011, 08:31 PM
Did they post the results of the top plays?

KingGeorge
04-10-2011, 08:31 PM
Then NBA TV games should be included in League Pass Broadband.

I think it would be a good idea if the NBA copied the NFL and streamed all of their games on nba.com.

Kemo
04-10-2011, 08:38 PM
NICE 7-1 run guys ! to bring it to 70-72




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Scot Pollard
04-10-2011, 08:40 PM
Man you really gotta stop worrying about attendance and who is there, especially when they are in Pacers gear. Its this way all over the country, especially in this economy. People aren't going to shell out money to watch their team lose. They are there and they are cheering for the Pacers, thats all that matters.

excuse me but why dont you chill out

i said nothing but positive things

maybe you read it wrong

AesopRockOn
04-10-2011, 08:41 PM
I think it would be a good idea if the NBA copied the NFL and streamed all of their games on nba.com.

It's a good thought but there's no way that would be cost effective. NBA has more than 5 times as many games. I do think they need to upgrade LP as an option for fans who don't have access to TV or certain channels like NBATV. I pay a ton of money for the 7-team package. I should be able to watch every team's game that I pay for, contractual restriction or not. This should also help NBA fans outside of the US, an important point since Stern is so focused on international.

Bottom line: **** blackouts. :)

Kemo
04-10-2011, 08:42 PM
I absolutely LOVE seeing Hibbert run to the rim

granger
04-10-2011, 08:43 PM
It's realy fun to watch Collison when he is feeling it

AesopRockOn
04-10-2011, 08:44 PM
Nah, your comment was kind of whiny and added little to the discussion of the game. ilive4sports made a good point about winning, fandom, and being successful in sports.

Great drive there by Roy.

Edit: May have misinterpreted comment.

Kemo
04-10-2011, 08:45 PM
We sure are looking like a good playoff team..

I feel really good about our guys play..


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Kemo
04-10-2011, 08:49 PM
BEAUTIFUL lob from DC to PG !!!

KingGeorge
04-10-2011, 08:51 PM
Billups is a big ****:mad:

AesopRockOn
04-10-2011, 08:53 PM
If you're Miami/Boston would you rather play the Knicks or the Sixers? Back when we beat the Knicks twice I would have obviously said the Knicks, but at this point it seems like it would be the Sixers.

Kemo
04-10-2011, 08:57 PM
DC has been phenomenal these last 3 or 4 games.. and he has gotten progressively better IMO


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AesopRockOn
04-10-2011, 08:57 PM
DC may have traveled there. Got to love the aggressiveness though. Fantastic third quarter.

KingGeorge
04-10-2011, 08:59 PM
DC is in beast mode. We need this kind of play in the playoffs.

ilive4sports
04-10-2011, 08:59 PM
excuse me but why dont you chill out

i said nothing but positive things

maybe you read it wrong

You called people who spent good money during hard times on their tickets supporting the Pacers losers because they aren't there all season long. Thats negative. All I was saying is your putting too much emphasis on attendance and such.

TinManJoshua
04-10-2011, 09:00 PM
Anybody else notice AJ sorta favoring that left knee?

Kemo
04-10-2011, 09:01 PM
WOW

THAT my friends was EPIC!!





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AesopRockOn
04-10-2011, 09:01 PM
:boombaby:

TinManJoshua
04-10-2011, 09:01 PM
BOOM BABY!

kester99
04-10-2011, 09:01 PM
****ing A, Mike. Nice steal and dish. You go, AJ.

Trophy
04-10-2011, 09:01 PM
What an amazing finish.

righteouscool
04-10-2011, 09:02 PM
I really underestimated how important Dunleavy is to this team. He is excellent at making the offense go and when he's not played out of position against elite shooting guards his defense isn't bad at all.

Sorry Mike.

KingGeorge
04-10-2011, 09:02 PM
That was such an awesome quarter! Now it is time to finish them off!

LA_Confidential
04-10-2011, 09:03 PM
You called people who spent good money during hard times on their tickets supporting the Pacers losers because they aren't there all season long. Thats negative. All I was saying is your putting too much emphasis on attendance and such.

I think you read him wrong. He was calling out fans of teams like the Bulls, Lakers, Celtic, Heat etc.

He called fans like us, Pacer Fans, real winners.

Kemo
04-10-2011, 09:03 PM
Bulls have one HELL of a fight on their hands .. going up against a team as hungry as we are..


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I pray for their souls..!!


hehehehehe


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Sookie
04-10-2011, 09:04 PM
Anybody else notice AJ sorta favoring that left knee?

I think he's got a little bit of a calf injury on that same leg.

Scot Pollard
04-10-2011, 09:04 PM
You called people who spent good money during hard times on their tickets supporting the Pacers losers because they aren't there all season long. Thats negative. All I was saying is your putting too much emphasis on attendance and such.

what are you talking about?

im not even talking about attendance and i would never say pacers fans are losers

im saying pacers fans LIKE US are winner and bandwagon fans are losers

LA_Confidential
04-10-2011, 09:06 PM
If you're Miami/Boston would you rather play the Knicks or the Sixers? Back when we beat the Knicks twice I would have obviously said the Knicks, but at this point it seems like it would be the Sixers.

Miami beat the brakes off Boston today for this specific reason.

And to prove to them that they could finally beat them. :laugh:.

ndcoltsnpacers
04-10-2011, 09:06 PM
This is fun!

ilive4sports
04-10-2011, 09:06 PM
what are you talking about?

im not even talking about attendance and i would never say pacers fans are losers

im saying pacers fans LIKE US are winner and bandwagon fans are losers

I thought you were talking about the new "bandwagon" Pacers fans since we made the playoffs. My bad.

daschysta
04-10-2011, 09:11 PM
aj has stunk

AesopRockOn
04-10-2011, 09:13 PM
A big 4th quarter from Danny would be nice.

Kemo
04-10-2011, 09:14 PM
nice decision to drive it McBob !!

LA_Confidential
04-10-2011, 09:14 PM
I thought you were talking about the new "bandwagon" Pacers fans since we made the playoffs. My bad.

I never knew there could be such a thing as a "new" Pacers fan. Either you love the franchise or you dont even give them the respect or time of day like ESPN.

Honestly, I have never met another Pacers fan face to face. Living in DC I dont think I ever will.

Unless we win a Championship.

Jared Sullinger
04-10-2011, 09:16 PM
That looked intentional to me.

TinManJoshua
04-10-2011, 09:17 PM
That looked intentional to me.

un poco.

ilive4sports
04-10-2011, 09:18 PM
I never knew there could be such a thing as a "new" Pacers fan. Either you love the franchise or you dont even give them the respect or time of day like ESPN.

Honestly, I have never met another Pacers fan face to face. Living in DC I dont think I ever will.

Unless we win a Championship.

neither have I actually. I've spent most my life in PA and now recently moved to CA and well, a Pacer fan is a rare breed.

TinManJoshua
04-10-2011, 09:18 PM
Jeff Foster has never, ever committed a foul in his entire professional career.




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Kemo
04-10-2011, 09:19 PM
Damn, Roy's statline thus far is 17 pts. / 9 reb. /4 assists

Scot Pollard
04-10-2011, 09:20 PM
im having a ball tonight

the crowd is still pretty small but everyone is pumped up and having a great time

cannot wait for the playoffs

the atmosphere is great

kester99
04-10-2011, 09:21 PM
Jeff Foster has never, ever committed a foul in his entire professional career.






Jeff has committed zero fouls. Sam Cassel is the only player to commit fewer.

ilive4sports
04-10-2011, 09:22 PM
Jeff Foster has never, ever committed a foul in his entire professional career.




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:notamused:

Kemo
04-10-2011, 09:22 PM
good things happen when roy runs the lane to the rim...

TinManJoshua
04-10-2011, 09:23 PM
:notamused:

With the REFS! They keep blowin' that **** whistle like he did something wrong!

ksuttonjr76
04-10-2011, 09:26 PM
Gotta love Indiana. I swear we survived quite few games when the best player on the opposite team is having a career nights.

KingGeorge
04-10-2011, 09:27 PM
Hi. I'm a Knicks fan, but I only cheer when Carmelo Anthony scores because he is the only player I know. :laugh:

AesopRockOn
04-10-2011, 09:28 PM
neither have I actually. I've spent most my life in PA and now recently moved to CA and well, a Pacer fan is a rare breed.

It's probably even more ridiculous for me, growing up in Hawaii. I did meet a guy freshman year (in North Carolina) on a tram ride to a party; he brought it up after seeing the Pacers t-shirt I was wearing that night. We drunkenly discussed how the season might end up. Never met a Pacers fan face-to-face since. :(

AesopRockOn
04-10-2011, 09:31 PM
Offense is very stagnant...

ilive4sports
04-10-2011, 09:31 PM
The offense is just helter skelter right now.

Dr. Hibbert
04-10-2011, 09:32 PM
How not to play down the stretch, written by the Indiana Pacers.

Jesus.

TheDon
04-10-2011, 09:32 PM
Are we trying to give the game away?

kester99
04-10-2011, 09:32 PM
OK, that sucked. GET a BASKET!

Kemo
04-10-2011, 09:32 PM
bad turnovers.... shakes head...

I honestly believe it is fatigue, as much pedal they have been putting to the metal all game..
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SamBear
04-10-2011, 09:33 PM
wow what a game...

Dr. Hibbert
04-10-2011, 09:34 PM
Collison has gone full retard down the stretch.

TheDon
04-10-2011, 09:34 PM
Wow...

ilive4sports
04-10-2011, 09:34 PM
What was that?

Trophy
04-10-2011, 09:35 PM
DC has been really bad these last few possessions.

He's handling the ball for too long.

AesopRockOn
04-10-2011, 09:35 PM
Much rather have Chauncey get the shot than Melo.

TheDon
04-10-2011, 09:36 PM
we deserve this

Dr. Hibbert
04-10-2011, 09:36 PM
Credit to Melo. That was a dagger. Wow.

Sucks the Pacers just decided to not play the last 3 minutes of this game.

ilive4sports
04-10-2011, 09:36 PM
Collison has gone full retard down the stretch.

Not all on Collison, the whole team is just not working on offense...

Anthony... what could Danny have done? He was in his face.

SamBear
04-10-2011, 09:36 PM
can they win at the buzzer???? :)

ilive4sports
04-10-2011, 09:37 PM
I would like McBob in the game right now honestly.

Sookie
04-10-2011, 09:37 PM
Not all on Collison, the whole team is just not working on offense...

Anthony... what could Danny have done? He was in his face.

Right, DC has been dumb, but if they all sit and stare at DC, that makes his job a lot harder.

QuickRelease
04-10-2011, 09:37 PM
DC...sigh

Dr. Hibbert
04-10-2011, 09:37 PM
Pacers tonight: SWITCH?! WHAT IS THIS SWITCH YOU SPEAK OF?!

Oh well. May as well learn the hard lessons when it doesn't count.

Dr. Hibbert
04-10-2011, 09:38 PM
Not all on Collison, the whole team is just not working on offense...

Anthony... what could Danny have done? He was in his face.

Never said it was, but his handles have been atrocious down the stretch. You can't ignore that.

TheDon
04-10-2011, 09:38 PM
Wow yeah that was a turd in the punch bowl

AesopRockOn
04-10-2011, 09:38 PM
Crap.

This is why there is a very small chance we win a close game against the Bulls two weeks from now.

Kemo
04-10-2011, 09:38 PM
damn.. we lost.. but damn .. DAMN GOOD GAME fellaz... nothin to be ashamed of... besides a few crappy turnovers.. but still.. i enjoyed it...
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SamBear
04-10-2011, 09:39 PM
awww :(

ilive4sports
04-10-2011, 09:39 PM
Just bad execution down the stretch on offense. We're better than that. Not really sure what happened.

yoadknux
04-10-2011, 09:39 PM
damn :(

Dr. Hibbert
04-10-2011, 09:39 PM
Disagree that you call a foul there. DG pushed off, then Melo hit his elbow. Offsetting, if you ask me. Either way you come down on that, it shouldn't have come to that.

croz24
04-10-2011, 09:39 PM
oh danny, you didn't have shawne on you that time. that weak *** midrange shot isn't going to work against an nba vet.

KingGeorge
04-10-2011, 09:40 PM
We can't blow leads like that in the playoffs or we will be going home early.

Dr. Hibbert
04-10-2011, 09:41 PM
Classy for Chauncey to throw in the "good luck to you guys" there, I thought. They understand; they'll be underdogs too.

Trophy
04-10-2011, 09:41 PM
:censored:

At least it doesn't matter for us.

It was a good game, but we cannot slack a single minute in the playoffs.

Sookie
04-10-2011, 09:41 PM
Not shocking really, this game means something to the knicks (although, I would think they'd rather play Miami)

AesopRockOn
04-10-2011, 09:42 PM
We can't blow leads like that in the playoffs or we will be going home early.

Honestly, for me, the fact that we finally made the playoffs this season means that we aren't going home early.

AesopRockOn
04-10-2011, 09:44 PM
Not shocking really, this game means something to the knicks (although, I would think they'd rather play Miami)

Really? Since the Perkins trade, the Celtics have been reeling and Miami's been firing on all cylinders. Or are you just talking purely from a match up standpoint?

CircleCity3318
04-10-2011, 09:44 PM
oh danny, you didn't have shawne on you that time. that weak *** midrange shot isn't going to work against an nba vet.

He got fouled watch the replay, not that it matters now anyway

LA_Confidential
04-10-2011, 09:44 PM
You always want the W but I am not at all bummed that we lost tonight. IMO, the last 3 games are just really intense practices.

ksuttonjr76
04-10-2011, 09:46 PM
Maybe they SHOULD have reviewed Melo's last 3-Pointer....

yoadknux
04-10-2011, 09:50 PM
We lost because Danny disappeared in the second half (after having 17 in the first, just 3 in the second while going 1-8). I believe this is why we looked so clueless and so careless on offense. I wanted us to win this one, was very disappointed when Melo blocked Danny. I guess it doesn't matter much, but still. Oh well

Sookie
04-10-2011, 09:54 PM
We lost because Danny disappeared in the second half (after having 17 in the first, just 3 in the second while going 1-8). I believe this is why we looked so clueless and so careless on offense. I wanted us to win this one, was very disappointed when Melo blocked Danny. I guess it doesn't matter much, but still. Oh well

Honestly, I like Danny, I really do. But it doesn't surprise me that the second unit tends to beat the first unit in practice.

The offense in the first unit can be stagnant if it's not being run through Hibbert. And we stopped running the ball through Hibbert/Dun and started running the ball through Danny/DC (which worked for a little bit, but then NY adjusted their defense)

We started running the ball through Danny twice, and both times NY caught up. We've got to look to get Danny shots through the flow of the offense instead of having him be the offense.

ilive4sports
04-10-2011, 10:00 PM
Honestly, I like Danny, I really do. But it doesn't surprise me that the second unit tends to beat the first unit in practice.

The offense in the first unit can be stagnant if it's not being run through Hibbert. And we stopped running the ball through Hibbert/Dun and started running the ball through Danny/DC (which worked for a little bit, but then NY adjusted their defense)

We started running the ball through Danny twice, and both times NY caught up. We've got to look to get Danny shots through the flow of the offense instead of having him be the offense.

The offense is always better when we go through Hibbert and I hate when we go away from him.

yoadknux
04-10-2011, 10:00 PM
Honestly, I like Danny, I really do. But it doesn't surprise me that the second unit tends to beat the first unit in practice.

The offense in the first unit can be stagnant if it's not being run through Hibbert. And we stopped running the ball through Hibbert/Dun and started running the ball through Danny/DC (which worked for a little bit, but then NY adjusted their defense)

We started running the ball through Danny twice, and both times NY caught up. We've got to look to get Danny shots through the flow of the offense instead of having him be the offense.
Actually we had a few plays for Danny in the second Q and they worked well, though going to Roy is generally better because there are more options (a cutting player or having Roy post inside) but they countered it pretty well in the second half with successful double team and I think they forced him some turnovers. That's why we went to Danny/DC imo.

Exile on Pennsylvania
04-10-2011, 10:07 PM
We can't blow leads like that in the playoffs or we will be going home early.

The playoffs are likely to be a short stay regardless of how the Pacers play. For this season, making the playoffs means the Pacers aren't going home early.

pwee31
04-10-2011, 10:18 PM
Just a bad 4th quarter. Team played hard, and should have won. Melo got hot, Granger got fouled.

Not much to dwell on. You wish you would have gotten the win, but thankfully we're already in the playoffs.

Wish Rush would have played more, he was actually having a decent game

BringJackBack
04-10-2011, 10:19 PM
Next year, with more experience and better pieces, this is a W.

Great showing tonight by our guys and Roy is showing some huge potential as his career progresses. Who would have ever thought two years ago that he could have even tried those jams, rebounds, or post moves?

rock747
04-10-2011, 10:21 PM
Pacers couldn't come through in the end. Should have used danny as a decoy on last play. Kind of a dissapointing loss, but didn't really matter I guess.

D-BONE
04-10-2011, 10:22 PM
Honestly, yeah it wasn't all on DC, but getting stripped on a wing isolation by a 6-10 guy? Weak style.

D-BONE
04-10-2011, 10:28 PM
Compare Danny and Melo on each team's last shot. A good example of how DG is not an elite level player and will never be able to be the #1 guy on a team.

Also, Danny was flat out awful driving the ball tonight. I thought the Knicks prepared well for that by running the double team after he'd put his head down with the dribble. He never had any clue the other defender was coming.

Don't know if the Bull's D needs the help, but I might be noting that tactic for future reference. Danny's scoring moves off the dribble have to be quicker, less bounces, and more directly to the hoop or quick pull up. The problem is he's not effective enough to blow by, so he's constantly having to take several lateral dribbles to try to create space to loop around his defender.

KingGeorge
04-10-2011, 10:31 PM
Compare Danny and Melo on each team's last shot. A good example of how DG is not an elite level player and will never be able to be the #1 guy on a team.
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You can't compare players off of one play.

If that were the case, he would be an elite player if you look at the game on March 15th.

D-BONE
04-10-2011, 10:33 PM
Last observation: more so late in the game, but to some extent throughout, we've got guys not recognizing when they're actually open or when they have a driving lane to exploit. Instead, they often hesitated allowing the defense to recover.In the last two minutes, it looked like an overemphasis, in my opinion, on running clock. Hopefully they learned what that got them seeing as they couldn't manufacture a good shot, or any shot for that matter, late in the shot clock.

D-BONE
04-10-2011, 10:37 PM
You can't compare players off of one play.

If that were the case, he would be an elite player if you look at the game on March 15th.

I'm comparing my observation of the two based on their performance over the last 4-5 years. I'm saying that, IMO, that sequence is indicative or representative of what I perceive to be difference in abilities and big-shot making of those two players. Granger was also MIA after the first quarter while Melo managed 34 while saddled with some foul troubles.

I really like Granger, but I think he's a spot up shooter who should be a better defender. I think we're trying to fit him into a role he can't really live up to. That's not his fault and we may not have any other alternative right now.

ilive4sports
04-10-2011, 10:37 PM
Last observation: more so late in the game, but to some extent throughout, we've got guys not recognizing when they're actually open or when they have a driving lane to exploit. Instead, they often hesitated allowing the defense to recover.In the last two minutes, it looked like an overemphasis, in my opinion, on running clock. Hopefully they learned what that got them seeing as they couldn't manufacture a good shot, or any shot for that matter, late in the shot clock.

I completely agree with this. They definitely seemed to be like, ok let's run the clock and they will just run out of possessions. The one possession where Tyler had a wide open jumper and passed it really bothered me. Collison passed up a good shot too.

oxxo
04-10-2011, 10:39 PM
Compare Danny and Melo on each team's last shot. A good example of how DG is not an elite level player and will never be able to be the #1 guy on a team.

Also, Danny was flat out awful driving the ball tonight. I thought the Knicks prepared well for that by running the double team after he'd put his head down with the dribble. He never had any clue the other defender was coming.

Don't know if the Bull's D needs the help, but I might be noting that tactic for future reference. Danny's scoring moves off the dribble have to be quicker, less bounces, and more directly to the hoop or quick pull up. The problem is he's not effective enough to blow by, so he's constantly having to take several lateral dribbles to try to create space to loop around his defender.

1) It's one play.
2) Danny was FOULED. You can make anyone look bad if you are allowed to foul them.

D-BONE
04-10-2011, 10:40 PM
I completely agree with this. They definitely seemed to be like, ok let's run the clock and they will just run out of possessions. The one possession where Tyler had a wide open jumper and passed it really bothered me. Collison passed up a good shot too.


Yeah, I think this is the quintessential example of failing to stay aggressive and going to a "prevent" approach that blows up in your face. Hopefully, it can serve as a lesson.

Dr. Hibbert
04-10-2011, 10:40 PM
Lost cuz young players panicked down the stretch. DC panicked and overhandled/dribbled. Hansborough panicked and forgot what to do in the post. Hibbert missed shots from point-blank. Etc.

Can't blame any one player. Just hope they learn from it, though I don't really expect this 4Q problem to get fixed this postseason. That's more of a long-term, developmental thing with young players.

Mr_Smith
04-10-2011, 10:40 PM
Great 3rd quarter, typical 4th quarter collapse. No excuse blowing a 9 point lead going into the 4th quarter. Still a good dress rehearsal for the playoffs though.

Dr. Hibbert
04-10-2011, 10:42 PM
1) It's one play.
2) Danny was FOULED. You can make anyone look bad if you are allowed to foul them.

Danny also blatantly pushed off Melo to create the initial separation for the shot. I thought, if you weren't going to call the push-off, you couldn't call the elbow tap either. It probably wasn't the best play the Pacers could have run. Exact same play they ran the last time against the Knicks; I would have liked to see a little more originality out of Vogel on that one. I know he wants Danny taking it, but same play? Like the Knicks wouldn't recognize it? Really?

D-BONE
04-10-2011, 10:43 PM
1) It's one play.
2) Danny was FOULED. You can make anyone look bad if you are allowed to foul them.

Do you think DG is a clear-cut #1 option on a legit NBA contender?

I think he'd be great as a second offensive option with a specialty in jump shooting.

He may have been fouled on the last play, but where was he after the first quarter?

KingGeorge
04-10-2011, 10:47 PM
Do you think DG is a clear-cut #1 option on a legit NBA contender?


No, but the Pacers are a small market team. Danny Granger is our #1 option because Indy isn't attractive to big name players.

All we can hope for is that he continues to grow with the team.

croz24
04-10-2011, 11:02 PM
No, but the Pacers are a small market team. Danny Granger is our #1 option because Indy isn't attractive to big name players.

All we can hope for is that he continues to grow with the team.

no, he's our #1 option because management hasn't done a good enough job in acquiring a true #1 option whether that be through a trade, the draft, or due to organizational philosophy.

BringJackBack
04-10-2011, 11:05 PM
Making mountains out of mole hills anytime Danny does anything wrong.. Shocking.

He missed the shot. *** damn.. No one is 100% in clutch situations, and what's important is that Danny, Roy, and DC are playing at an extremely high level headed into the post-season.

xBulletproof
04-10-2011, 11:09 PM
no, he's our #1 option because management hasn't done a good enough job in acquiring a true #1 option whether that be through a trade, the draft, or due to organizational philosophy.

Yes. True #1 options are a dime a dozen, how haven't they just gotten one? It's just that easy. You just say you want one, and BAM ... there he is.

Anthem
04-10-2011, 11:13 PM
Making mountains out of mole hills anytime Danny does anything wrong.. Shocking.
Yeah, if he comments in the game thread you already know the subject. Heck, there's no need to read the comments; they're all interchangeable.

vnzla81
04-10-2011, 11:26 PM
Decent game overall, I really wanted the Pacers to win this one in front of the fans, that last play called by Vogel was pretty bad, how you call the same play againts the same team? Oh well, let's hope they learn from this for the playoffs and get to practice different last second plays that are not Iso's :pray:

Scot Pollard
04-10-2011, 11:34 PM
The players were really cool at the end.

Throwing shoes and towels into the stands.

Better than last year when the energy was drained because we sucked and lost that game by 20.

NEXT TIME ILL BE SITTING IN THE FIELDHOUSE ITLL SAY PLAYOFFS ON THE FLOOR!!!!!!

croz24
04-10-2011, 11:40 PM
Yes. True #1 options are a dime a dozen, how haven't they just gotten one? It's just that easy. You just say you want one, and BAM ... there he is.

such a mindset and excuse making is exactly what keeps you a mediocre ball club

Scot Pollard
04-10-2011, 11:42 PM
I'd like to get Eric Gordon some how.

BringJackBack
04-10-2011, 11:49 PM
such a mindset and excuse making is exactly what keeps you a mediocre ball club

No, you just have insane standards sometimes. :cool:

ilive4sports
04-10-2011, 11:55 PM
such a mindset and excuse making is exactly what keeps you a mediocre ball club

How many true number one players out there can lead their team to a championship?

xBulletproof
04-10-2011, 11:56 PM
such a mindset and excuse making is exactly what keeps you a mediocre ball club

Such a mindset and unrealistic expectations is exactly what keeps you complaining all the time.

sportfireman
04-11-2011, 12:00 AM
It was a good game, honestly we just choked at the end of the game. Hey Danny fouled Melo on the play before Danny got fouled by Melo. Tough luck, we should have played better ball down the stretch to protect our lead. We'll get better.

PR07
04-11-2011, 12:01 AM
My question is, why did we run the same exact play as last time? You had to think Melo and the Knicks were ready for it and hence the blocked shot.

croz24
04-11-2011, 12:10 AM
Such a mindset and unrealistic expectations is exactly what keeps you complaining all the time.

you think teams win championships without high standards? what drove all the greats to the successes they acheived are those exact insanely high standards.

Shabazz
04-11-2011, 12:13 AM
Several times in this game, Hansbrough had Melo or a smaller wing guarding him in the post after a defensive switch.

He only received two passes in those situations. The one where he scored on Melo, and the one where he missed late in the 4th quarter.

Collison should have got him the dang ball in those situations.

ilive4sports
04-11-2011, 12:16 AM
you think teams win championships without high standards? what drove all the greats to the successes they acheived are those exact insanely high standards.

Its one thing to have high standards and its another to have realistic standards. Look at where this team is coming from. You don't just make a trade for a super star that can win you a championship. This team is being built from the ground up. Is Danny in the upper echelon of Kobe/LeBron/Wade? No. But who really is?

Dr. Hibbert
04-11-2011, 12:23 AM
My question is, why did we run the same exact play as last time? You had to think Melo and the Knicks were ready for it and hence the blocked shot.

This is what I have been asking. Disappointing lack of originality on Vogel's behalf.

croz24
04-11-2011, 12:24 AM
Its one thing to have high standards and its another to have realistic standards. Look at where this team is coming from. You don't just make a trade for a super star that can win you a championship. This team is being built from the ground up. Is Danny in the upper echelon of Kobe/LeBron/Wade? No. But who really is?

it's the organization's flawed philosophy that is the issue. look at the history of the league and how the vast majority of title winners/contenders acquired their #1 player. it is not through trades or free agent signings necessarily, but through high draft choices. up until this year, the pacers honestly had no business trying to win some of the games they were if their intent was winning a championship. people will scoff at the idea of tanking, but in the nba if you aren't really good, the only way you get to that point is by being really bad. history proves this with very few exceptions. this year it was in our best interest to go for the wins because of our young core. but the years prior, we should have done everything we could to win the lottery.

ilive4sports
04-11-2011, 12:30 AM
it's the organization's flawed philosophy that is the issue. look at the history of the league and how the vast majority of title winners/contenders acquired their #1 player. it is not through trades or free agent signings necessarily, but through high draft choices. up until this year, the pacers honestly had no business trying to win some of the games they were if their intent was winning a championship. people will scoff at the idea of tanking, but in the nba if you aren't really good, the only way you get to that point is by being really bad. history proves this with very few exceptions. this year it was in our best interest to go for the wins because of our young core. but the years prior, we should have done everything we could to win the lottery.

The organizations flawed philosophy that is shared by OKC, the team that has more young talent and is set up for the next 10 years better than any other?

croz24
04-11-2011, 12:32 AM
The organizations flawed philosophy that is shared by OKC, the team that has more young talent and is set up for the next 10 years better than any other?

HUGE difference that you are failing to understand. the heart and sole of oklahoma city's philosophy is a #2 draft choice.

xBulletproof
04-11-2011, 12:33 AM
it's the organization's flawed philosophy that is the issue. look at the history of the league and how the vast majority of title winners/contenders acquired their #1 player. it is not through trades or free agent signings necessarily, but through high draft choices. up until this year, the pacers honestly had no business trying to win some of the games they were if their intent was winning a championship. people will scoff at the idea of tanking, but in the nba if you aren't really good, the only way you get to that point is by being really bad. history proves this with very few exceptions. this year it was in our best interest to go for the wins because of our young core. but the years prior, we should have done everything we could to win the lottery.

You're preaching this as a fan of the Pacers. For shame. The 90's team was built around trades and picks outside the top 10.

So you think we should have tanked years ago, fine. That's over. Its been over. Why are you still complaining years later? Good lord. Let it go.

croz24
04-11-2011, 12:40 AM
You're preaching this as a fan of the Pacers. For shame. The 90's team was built around trades and picks outside the top 10.

So you think we should have tanked years ago, fine. That's over. Its been over. Why are you still complaining years later? Good lord. Let it go.

a poster was stating there was no way for us to acquire a legit #1 option, when i was only stating the way championship winning teams have acquired thiers. also, you say let it go but understand that the pacers have never won an nba title. meanwhile, for the past 30 some years how much has actually changed in terms of the mindset on how to build a team? as you said, a bunch of outside the top 10 picks. history says top 3-5 picks win you titles with some exceptions (high schoolers primarily). meanwhile, the pacers continued to pick outside the top 10.

ilive4sports
04-11-2011, 12:40 AM
HUGE difference that you are failing to understand. the heart and sole of oklahoma city's philosophy is a #2 draft choice.

This is where that little guy named Paul George comes into play. He has shown potential to be a great player.

There is more than one way to build a team. This team has a lot of young talent. What we see today is not what we will see tomorrow. I think this team has a lot of good pieces and has the ability to add even more. And they have done it without tanking.

ilive4sports
04-11-2011, 12:42 AM
a poster was stating there was no way for us to acquire a legit #1 option, when i was only stating the way championship winning teams have acquired thiers. also, you say let it go but understand that the pacers have never won an nba title. meanwhile, for the past 30 some years how much has actually changed in terms of the mindset on how to build a team? as you said, a bunch of outside the top 10 picks. history says top 3-5 picks win you titles with some exceptions (high schoolers primarily). meanwhile, the pacers continued to pick outside the top 10.

Yet that 90's team was a legit contender for how many years? If it weren't for Michael Jordan they could have won one or two.

righteouscool
04-11-2011, 12:44 AM
you think teams win championships without high standards? what drove all the greats to the successes they acheived are those exact insanely high standards.

This post and the one about tanking clash. How can you set high standards for yourself and then do everything possible to lose?

For the record, I tend to agree with you. Pacers should of played the young players high minutes the last few years, but whatever.

JEM
04-11-2011, 12:45 AM
Probably should have went to Hibbert / Hansbrough more in the post.. Knicks really didnt have anyone that could stop them.


Several times in this game, Hansbrough had Melo or a smaller wing guarding him in the post after a defensive switch.

He only received two passes in those situations. The one where he scored on Melo, and the one where he missed late in the 4th quarter.

Collison should have got him the dang ball in those situations.

Well.. The Pacers have put Hansbrough back in the same position he was with JOB and thats a jump shooter.

During his 20 point stretch not only was he getting ~33 minutes a game but also getting the ball in many different situations. (1) Pick n Roll (2) Low Post (3) 10-12 FT out in the Post where he could face up and drive or shoot.

Since then he has gotten less minutes and has more or less just been a pick and roll player. Which is severely limiting him IMO.

croz24
04-11-2011, 12:52 AM
This post and the one about tanking clash. How can you set high standards for yourself and then do everything possible to lose?

no, they are not contradictory when your goal is to win a championship. in the nba you either have to go all in, or all out. there is no in between. if you lack the assets, you do whatever it takes to acquire the best assets possible for future success (tanking). people trying to argue this are arguing history.

and there is indeed a HUGE difference between a college player of the year to #2 selection to rookie of the year averaging 20+ppg and paul george.

JEM
04-11-2011, 01:01 AM
This is what I have been asking. Disappointing lack of originality on Vogel's behalf.

I thought I lip read Vogel say something like " If not kick it to Tyler ".. My guess is Danny was supposed to attack the rim and if the Knicks collapsed on him he would pass it to Tyler. But he ended up stopping at the FT line for a jumper.

He must have really wanted to make the last shot on Melo.

ilive4sports
04-11-2011, 01:04 AM
no, they are not contradictory when your goal is to win a championship. in the nba you either have to go all in, or all out. there is no in between. if you lack the assets, you do whatever it takes to acquire the best assets possible for future success (tanking). people trying to argue this are arguing history.

and there is indeed a HUGE difference between a college player of the year to #2 selection to rookie of the year averaging 20+ppg and paul george.

Because Evan Turner looks so much better than Paul George...

croz24
04-11-2011, 01:14 AM
Because Evan Turner looks so much better than Paul George...

as has been discussed for however many years here, there are bound to be drafts that don't live up to expectations. regardless, history still states that the vast majority of title winners and contenders acquired their #1 option via a top 3-5 pick (high schooler exception). plus, just because turner wasn't a world beater this year, doesn't mean he won't become a great player. you were trying to compare okc with the pacers, NOT philly with the pacers. durant was viewed by all as a vastly superior talent to turner coming out of college where i believe he averaged something like 25ppg and 10rpg.

Trader Joe
04-11-2011, 01:16 AM
That was a poop worthy 4th quarter.

15th parallel
04-11-2011, 01:25 AM
a poster was stating there was no way for us to acquire a legit #1 option, when i was only stating the way championship winning teams have acquired thiers. also, you say let it go but understand that the pacers have never won an nba title. meanwhile, for the past 30 some years how much has actually changed in terms of the mindset on how to build a team? as you said, a bunch of outside the top 10 picks. history says top 3-5 picks win you titles with some exceptions (high schoolers primarily). meanwhile, the pacers continued to pick outside the top 10.

What championship teams from the past years have became champions because of tanking and winning the lottery for a top pick?

San Antonio Spurs? No, they're just unlcuky to have an injured Robinson and got so very lucky to win the lottery for the top pick in Duncan.

LA Lakers? No, Shaq was a top pick by Orlando. Kobe was a 13th pick. Pau Gasol was top 10 pick but of Grizzlies. Bynum was a 10th pick, but he played sparingly during their championship years.

Celtics? Probably yeah, by getting top picks and trading them for veteran All-Stars. They got lucky Rondo turned out to be a great PG. And their draft picks didn't do

Detroit? No. Billups was a former top lottery pick of the Celtics, Hamilton was the top pick of the Wizards, Rasheed was a top pick of Portland, Ben was from Wizards I believe. They formed the team through good trades.

The current Bulls? No, they had a very low chance of winning the overall #1 pick. Did they tank to get Rose? No. They just got extremely lucky.

All in all, no current and former contenders have won it all because they have tanked and got the best player in the draft and became their main man. Cleveland almost done it, but it didn't work for them. Orlando also almost won with their top pick Howard leading them, but still didn't work. The Sonics were just flat out bad and got lucky Portland didn't draft KD, and just remained flat out bad as a Thunder team to get another top draftee in Westbrook.

Yes, top draft picks can win teams championships. But it is not guaranteed that whoever picks them gets the fruit of their tanking. Shaq, Kobe, Gasol, Garnett and Allen are just a few of so many examples of top draftees winning it all on another teams.

ilive4sports
04-11-2011, 01:28 AM
as has been discussed for however many years here, there are bound to be drafts that don't live up to expectations. regardless, history still states that the vast majority of title winners and contenders acquired their #1 option via a top 3-5 pick (high schooler exception). plus, just because turner wasn't a world beater this year, doesn't mean he won't become a great player. you were trying to compare okc with the pacers, NOT philly with the pacers. durant was viewed by all as a vastly superior talent to turner coming out of college where i believe he averaged something like 25ppg and 10rpg.

And history shows us that great players also get taken later in the draft. History also shows a lot of these great players taken in the top 5 leaving the team they were drafted with because no one can do it on their own and they want to go to a big market or a team that has a solid team they can play alongside with.

xIndyFan
04-11-2011, 01:32 AM
thought the tyler posting melo was nice. good to see the pacers have a matchup they could go to other than danny. nice job of shoving melo under the basket and getting a decent shot. wonder if he could do something like that to taj gibson or not?

also, speaking of tyler. thought he had a couple of nice passes after he didn't get a good shot. he was looking for an open guy and made a decent pass out. at the beginning of the year, he would have jacked a shot up it was the end of the shot clock.

LA_Confidential
04-11-2011, 02:07 AM
What championship teams from the past years have became champions because of tanking and winning the lottery for a top pick?

San Antonio Spurs? No, they're just unlcuky to have an injured Robinson and got so very lucky to win the lottery for the top pick in Duncan.

LA Lakers? No, Shaq was a top pick by Orlando. Kobe was a 13th pick. Pau Gasol was top 10 pick but of Grizzlies. Bynum was a 10th pick, but he played sparingly during their championship years.

Celtics? Probably yeah, by getting top picks and trading them for veteran All-Stars. They got lucky Rondo turned out to be a great PG. And their draft picks didn't do

Detroit? No. Billups was a former top lottery pick of the Celtics, Hamilton was the top pick of the Wizards, Rasheed was a top pick of Portland, Ben was from Wizards I believe. They formed the team through good trades.

The current Bulls? No, they had a very low chance of winning the overall #1 pick. Did they tank to get Rose? No. They just got extremely lucky.

All in all, no current and former contenders have won it all because they have tanked and got the best player in the draft and became their main man. Cleveland almost done it, but it didn't work for them. Orlando also almost won with their top pick Howard leading them, but still didn't work. The Sonics were just flat out bad and got lucky Portland didn't draft KD, and just remained flat out bad as a Thunder team to get another top draftee in Westbrook.

Yes, top draft picks can win teams championships. But it is not guaranteed that whoever picks them gets the fruit of their tanking. Shaq, Kobe, Gasol, Garnett and Allen are just a few of so many examples of top draftees winning it all on another teams.

Not nitpicking but Sheed was drafted by the Bullets. He was traded for Rod Strickland a few seasons after.

15th parallel
04-11-2011, 02:12 AM
Not nitpicking but Sheed was drafted by the Bullets. He was traded for Rod Strickland a few seasons after.

Yeah, missed that one. Thanks! :)

mattie
04-11-2011, 04:11 AM
Probably should have went to Hibbert / Hansbrough more in the post.. Knicks really didnt have anyone that could stop them.



Well.. The Pacers have put Hansbrough back in the same position he was with JOB and thats a jump shooter.

During his 20 point stretch not only was he getting ~33 minutes a game but also getting the ball in many different situations. (1) Pick n Roll (2) Low Post (3) 10-12 FT out in the Post where he could face up and drive or shoot.

Since then he has gotten less minutes and has more or less just been a pick and roll player. Which is severely limiting him IMO.

The offense wasn't running efficiently when Tyler was jacking the ball up every time it was in his hands. While his own personal stats were good, the rest of the team could not play off him at all.

Tyler is a much more valuable asset to the teams offense when he works within the offense. In this case this means him taking choice jumps shots through out the game as well as PnR's.

Also, it's worth noting that using Tyler at the elbow is were he is best used, he can drive and shoot that J. Tyler in the post generally ends up in him getting blocked by people such as Al Horford last game.

Hibbert is a much better low post scorer than Tyler, and so as we have seen the last 10 games or so, the Pacers as a whole have played a much better offense.

The Jackson shimmy
04-11-2011, 06:23 AM
Rick Smits went #2 overall in his draft.

Large market teams can win titles w/o sucking bigtime and drafting
at the top. Aside from one or two exceptions born of sheer luck in
recent decades, small market teams cannot.

It's long since water over the bridge and thus irrelevant. But croz24
is correct.

D-BONE
04-11-2011, 06:38 AM
I like where our team is all things considered. Maybe PG can eclipse Danny in a few years, but I don't know. And, if that hypothetical plays out, PG will also have to make big-time strides with his handles or else we'll continue to be without the current missing ingredient on offense - someone who can manufacture points off the dribble. Collison is the only guy who can do this.

I'm sorry to rain on anyone's parade, but Danny is a jump shooter pure and simple. He needs that other element to play off of...as do all our guys. DG would be even more effective with a a guy with that skill set capable of producing around as many points, and, hopefully, capable of carrying some of the big shot pressure.

EDIT: If that means the guy we add is Danny's "equal", then great. It's 1 and 1A or whatever. The point is that he's being asked to do something that he's not really capable of. I have made a complete about face as far as the type of player we should be pursuing. Sure, if you get a no brainer deal/free agent at any position you do it. But, outside of that, I'm trying to find that missing element, hard as it may be. I think it's more important than shoring up 4/5 or getting some additional strength at 1.

graphic-er
04-11-2011, 09:16 AM
I'm not even sure you can say that Granger blatantly pushed off their at the end. He just brought his forearm up, didn't extend his arms in a shoving motion. I also can't believe that Carmelo was able to recover as fast as he did, he was facing the complete opposite direction as Danny as setting up the shot. Foul is a foul though and they should have called it.

I do agree though it was a very bad play call. You can't beat a team with the same shot twice. All the more reason to call the foul though. Cause if you know its coming, then there shouldn't a foul committed. Chalk it up to the superstar calls that ruin the NBA.

I think a great play would have been to put McBob in and let Danny ISO only to lob it to McBob in front of the Rim for the easy Alley oop. They could have run this with Paul George too.

Dr. Hibbert
04-11-2011, 01:55 PM
I'm not even sure you can say that Granger blatantly pushed off their at the end. He just brought his forearm up, didn't extend his arms in a shoving motion. I also can't believe that Carmelo was able to recover as fast as he did, he was facing the complete opposite direction as Danny as setting up the shot. Foul is a foul though and they should have called it.

I do agree though it was a very bad play call. You can't beat a team with the same shot twice. All the more reason to call the foul though. Cause if you know its coming, then there shouldn't a foul committed. Chalk it up to the superstar calls that ruin the NBA.

I think a great play would have been to put McBob in and let Danny ISO only to lob it to McBob in front of the Rim for the easy Alley oop. They could have run this with Paul George too.

Anything other than what they went with. I almost wonder, since they were playing with house money, if they shouldn't have given DC, PG or Hansborough the shot at the game-winner. We know DG can hit it, why not give a younger player a chance? Never know who you might need to hit that shot in the playoffs.

Naptown_Seth
04-12-2011, 08:12 PM
Well rather than add to this complaining where we don't even appear to have a post game thread on freaking Fan App night, I'll say one of the best moments was PAUL GEORGE - everyone is handing out stuff from their preset buckets (plastic basketballs and actual shoes, both getting signed and handed out) and Paul gets so into it he takes off his jersey and hands it to a guy.

Wow.

Wait a sec, I see a Pacers person come get the guy and bring him under the ropes. Maybe to get it signed, maybe this is a contest? Nope. Rookie Paul forgot he still needed to use the jersey a few more times this season and they made the guy give it back.

Whoops. Nice try kid. :)

The guy was given a voucher for some item later it appears, maybe even the jersey after the season is over, who knows.



I thought DC was outstanding in this game, just brilliant at times. His worst play was throwing that pass that was easily stolen late in the game, but most of the night he read when the Knicks overplayed and left him chances to drive and made the most of it.

And AJ Price was very sharp as well. I had front row baseline for the game and was amazed a few times at Price's recover and anticipation on defense. I think I've been giving him the short end of the stick on that one, he was tearing it up. He had a couple of dive down steals anticipating entry passes.


The clearly had no good scoring options/plays down the stretch which is nothing new, but otherwise it wasn't too shabby an effort.



PS - F**** KNICKS FANS
Yeesh did it suck having so many loud, drunk a-holes chanting M V P for Melo all night.

Good job A55 giving them a taste of the "OVER RATED" chant at least. :D

pacer4ever
04-12-2011, 08:16 PM
Well rather than add to this complaining where we don't even appear to have a post game thread on freaking Fan App night, I'll say one of the best moments was PAUL GEORGE - everyone is handing out stuff from their preset buckets (plastic basketballs and actual shoes, both getting signed and handed out) and Paul gets so into it he takes off his jersey and hands it to a guy.

Wow.

Wait a sec, I see a Pacers person come get the guy and bring him under the ropes. Maybe to get it signed, maybe this is a contest? Nope. Rookie Paul forgot he still needed to use the jersey a few more times this season and they made the guy give it back.

Whoops. Nice try kid. :)

The guy was given a voucher for some item later it appears, maybe even the jersey after the season is over, who knows.



I thought DC was outstanding in this game, just brilliant at times. His worst play was throwing that pass that was easily stolen late in the game, but most of the night he read when the Knicks overplayed and left him chances to drive and made the most of it.

And AJ Price was very sharp as well. I had front row baseline for the game and was amazed a few times at Price's recover and anticipation on defense. I think I've been giving him the short end of the stick on that one, he was tearing it up. He had a couple of dive down steals anticipating entry passes.


The clearly had no good scoring options/plays down the stretch which is nothing new, but otherwise it wasn't too shabby an effort.



PS - F**** KNICKS FANS
Yeesh did it suck having so many loud, drunk a-holes chanting M V P for Melo all night.

Good job A55 giving them a taste of the "OVER RATED" chant at least. :D

Most players change jerseys from game to game so he could have gave the jersey away.. Before the rev 30 most would have to change thier jersey at halftime.

Sookie
04-12-2011, 10:28 PM
I thought DC was outstanding in this game, just brilliant at times. His worst play was throwing that pass that was easily stolen late in the game, but most of the night he read when the Knicks overplayed and left him chances to drive and made the most of it.

And AJ Price was very sharp as well. I had front row baseline for the game and was amazed a few times at Price's recover and anticipation on defense. I think I've been giving him the short end of the stick on that one, he was tearing it up. He had a couple of dive down steals anticipating entry passes.



Price has been inconsistent defensively, but when he's been good, he's been really really good. (Against Nash is the best example)

I don't know where the inconsistency comes from, because I don't think there's ever an issue of effort with Price. And it's obviously not physical (except for Stuckey, but last time they played he defended Stuckey really well) because when you can guard Nash the way AJ did, you can pretty much guard anyone. But I wonder if it's simply knowing other points games, because his best defensive efforts have been against better known PGs.

The kid just needs to get consistent next season. His shot, his defense, his mentality, his free throw shooting ect..everything has been off and on this season. (Although, as I was saying previously..Price's mentality switched back to a much more traditional PG the second Dun entered the lineup and Rush started scoring. Probably because..you know..there were actual scoring options - that could score in the flow of the offense. Second unit offense, especially with Roy, is just pretty.)

Last 3 minutes not withstanding, DC was awesome. And he played his game. Scoring pgs can work. DC can work.

I also think DC's defense has improved a lot. It's not good. But it's significantly better. I still think he's not all that laterally quick. But he can improve. DC strikes me as a hardworker, and a guy that'll try and put effort into improving himself.

I've said it 100 times. Give the kids, particularly these two - you know, the guys playing the hardest position - a year or two to develop. My guess is by the end of next season, if both are given time and a chance to improve their game (and stay healthy) we'll be happy with them.

BringJackBack
04-12-2011, 10:35 PM
Hahahahahahahhahahaha I don't know where to put this so I will drop it off here:

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