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Kemo
04-10-2011, 01:49 AM
Figured I would make a thread where we could specifically discuss our thoughts specifically pertaining to this 1st round series matchup vs. the Chicago Bulls..

Also would like this thread for posting any news articles pertaining to this series as they pop up leading into the playoffs..



I'll start with a news article I just read.




Bulls Go From Underdogs To Favorites


http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/212939/Bulls_Go_From_Underdogs_To_Favorites

Apr 09, 2011 1:51 PM EDT


The last two seasons, the Chicago Bulls squeaked into the playoffs as the eighth seed in the East.

This season, the Bulls hold the first seed, going from underdogs to favorites.

"I know it's going to be different because everybody is going to be expecting us to win," Derrick Rose said. "But Thibs will have us ready."

That would be coach Tom Thibodeau, who said he doesn't plan to rest his starters over the final three games, since the Bulls are still chasing the San Antonio Spurs for the league's best overall record and home-court advantage through the NBA Finals.

Via Chicago Tribune









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With the above article being read, I just want to say I hope we shock the world and upset the Bulls ..

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KingGeorge
04-10-2011, 02:17 AM
Most of you will call me crazy after saying this(probably because I am) but I am going with my heart on this series.

Everyone has or will be writing us off in this series, and probably with good cause.

The Bulls are playing great basketball of late, but this is Indiana basketball. We have been playing with confidence and the will to win in the month of April.

I think that we steal one of the first 2 games @ Chicago, and we close out the series in Indy for game 6.

Like I said, I am crazy for saying this because I know it probably won't happen, but someone has to believe in this team pulling the upset.

#8 Denver over #1 Sonics in 1994
#8 Knicks over #1 Miami in 1999
#8 Warriors over Mavs in 2007
#8 Pacers over Bulls in 2011

With all that being said, GO PACERS!!!! :happydanc

Kemo
04-10-2011, 02:57 AM
Most of you will call me crazy after saying this(probably because I am) but I am going with my heart on this series.

Everyone has or will be writing us off in this series, and probably with good cause.

The Bulls are playing great basketball of late, but this is Indiana basketball. We have been playing with confidence and the will to win in the month of April.

I think that we still one of the first 2 games @ Chicago, and we close out the series in Indy for game 6.

Like I said, I am crazy for saying this because I know it probably won't happen, but someone has to believe in this team pulling the upset.

#8 Denver over #1 Sonics in 1994
#8 Knicks over #1 Miami in 1999
#8 Warriors over Mavs in 2007
#8 Pacers over Bulls in 2011

With all that being said, GO PACERS!!!! :happydanc

+1

gummy
04-10-2011, 03:10 AM
Yep, you're crazy. But I like the enthusiasm. ;)

presto123
04-10-2011, 03:12 AM
All we have to do is stop that Rose guy.

15th parallel
04-10-2011, 04:15 AM
All we have to do is stop that Rose guy.

I don't know if it can be done, but the most effective way is to limit others and let the series be "Derrick Rose vs the Indiana Pacers." Our victory against them was because of this, and if everybody can contribute plus stop other Bulls from helping Rose offensively, that will be the best chance to eliminate them.

I think the most effective ways to limit Rose are:
- Have DC tire Rose off offensively. Rose, although big for a PG, is not that good in defense. If DC can use his quickness and efficiency from midrange, it will certainly tire off Rose guarding him, or may even have foul problems along the way.

- Good perimeter defense against him using physicality. DJones can be the one. Rush and George can also help using their length. It can also tire out Rose if a physical defense is pressuring him on the perimeter.

LA_Confidential
04-10-2011, 05:53 AM
I don't know if it can be done, but the most effective way is to limit others and let the series be "Derrick Rose vs the Indiana Pacers." Our victory against them was because of this, and if everybody can contribute plus stop other Bulls from helping Rose offensively, that will be the best chance to eliminate them.

I think the most effective ways to limit Rose are:
- Have DC tire Rose off offensively. Rose, although big for a PG, is not that good in defense. If DC can use his quickness and efficiency from midrange, it will certainly tire off Rose guarding him, or may even have foul problems along the way.

- Good perimeter defense against him using physicality. DJones can be the one. Rush and George can also help using their length. It can also tire out Rose if a physical defense is pressuring him on the perimeter.

Agree with this entire post.

We must force Derrick Rose to win this series all by himself. No monster games from Boozer, No lights out performances from Deng we damn sure better not get out hustled by guys like Brewer, Bogans an CJ Watson. Also we most certainly have to keep them in check on the boards.

Seems like a tall order but thats what they get paid to do.

Pacers in 7. If we lose the series, I want Rose to be so tired and banged up that the Bulls have no shot in the second round.

yoadknux
04-10-2011, 06:07 AM
We can't just focus on stopping rose. We have mismatches in the post zone as well, how are we supposed to stop boozer?

Richard_Skull
04-10-2011, 06:15 AM
The only games we will when are the ones where we get their bigs in foul trouble. Given that we have Tyler, maybe we could do this a couple of times.

15th parallel
04-10-2011, 07:59 AM
We can't just focus on stopping rose. We have mismatches in the post zone as well, how are we supposed to stop boozer?

Boozer is not that impossible to stop, plus he's not that good defensively, so if our bigs can get it going offensively against him, it can neutralize somewhat what he's doing on offense. A healthy dose of Tyler, Josh and Foster can be effective give Boozer different looks on defense.

Unclebuck
04-10-2011, 08:28 AM
Most of you will call me crazy after saying this(probably because I am) but I am going with my heart on this series.

Everyone has or will be writing us off in this series, and probably with good cause.

The Bulls are playing great basketball of late, but this is Indiana basketball. We have been playing with confidence and the will to win in the month of April.

I think that we steal one of the first 2 games @ Chicago, and we close out the series in Indy for game 6.

Like I said, I am crazy for saying this because I know it probably won't happen, but someone has to believe in this team pulling the upset.

#8 Denver over #1 Sonics in 1994
#8 Knicks over #1 Miami in 1999
#8 Warriors over Mavs in 2007
#8 Pacers over Bulls in 2011

With all that being said, GO PACERS!!!! :happydanc


OK, fair enough, but what is the game plan. How do we control Rose and more importantly how do we find a way to constantly score against the Bulls great defense. If we dont do either of those to a certain degree, we aren't winning

D-BONE
04-10-2011, 08:34 AM
I'll tell you one thing we'll have to do to have any chance to win any game...CONTROL THE BOARDS. If we succeed in getting stops, we can't let them get myriad extra possessions by failing to secure our defensive glass. Bulls inside guys are long and athletic. Have to shut that off.

Conversely, we need to shoot reasonably well and get to the foul line some. We'll need our bench to seriously outplay theirs and, obviously we'll have to consistently outhustle them.

I agree with the premise to try to make Rose work in multiple ways while attempting to lock up others and make it have to the the D-Rose show. However, I'm not sure that's exactly easy to do against guys like Boozer and Deng. But, yes, that's probably how it would have to work.

Realistically, I'm thrilled with two wins...content with one if we compete in some of the games. Anything more than either of those two is gravy in my boodk.

xIndyFan
04-10-2011, 09:55 AM
Boozer is not that impossible to stop, plus he's not that good defensively, so if our bigs can get it going offensively against him, it can neutralize somewhat what he's doing on offense. A healthy dose of Tyler, Josh and Foster can be effective give Boozer different looks on defense.

boozer has trouble defending length. pacers are short of those at the 4. tyler is too short, josh is too weak. jeff can defend boozer, but cannot score at all. one of the things that will come out of this series is the pacer's need for a PF.

Major Cold
04-10-2011, 10:12 AM
We need to run and not let the Bulls set up. I know this scares all of you with chucking 3s, but I really think that is the only way we steal one at Chicago.

Getting this to game 6 would be a HUGE success. 2-2 going into Chicago would be ideal, but unlikely.

We most be great from the field and on the boards. We must closeout out to make them have an extra pass after Rose penetrates.

Keeping it close and limiting their runs can be done. Pressure 3/4 court and deny the wing pass (something Danny cannot do consistently). Push them to attack from the wings to baseline, instead of right down the lane.

All these things need to be down, but we have yet to do them consistently and on a level to compete.

HickeyS2000
04-10-2011, 10:16 AM
If we lose the series, I want Rose to be so tired and banged up that the Bulls have no shot in the second round.

If and when we lose this series (I'm guessing in 6), I'm rooting for the Bulls to win it all. So no, I wish nothing like this upon Rose as he may be my only chance to not see LeQueen, P.Piece, KG, Kobe, or Duncan win the championship. Otherwise it's a wrap.

Will Galen
04-10-2011, 10:22 AM
This article is a few days old, and I had to go back and find it, but I think it fits here. It's food for thought on this Bulls team.
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http://www.cbssports.com/nba/story/14914561/loss-to-bulls-leaves-celtics-searching-for-identity

Loss to Bulls leaves Celtics searching for identity

By Ken Berger
CBSSports.com Senior Writer
April 8, 2011

CHICAGO -- Somehow, the play that had the least to do with how the Bulls virtually eliminated the Celtics from contention for the No. 1 seed in the Eastern Conference on Thursday night sent Boston on a journey down what Rajon Rondo aptly described as the downhill slope of a roller coaster.

Sometimes, it's like that. An isolated moment turns a basketball game on its head, even if it was the least of the losing team's problems.

With about 9Ĺ minutes left, Derrick Rose beat Rondo to a loose ball, and missed a spot-up 3-pointer from 27 feet. Rondo, who had leaked out, caught an outlet pass and missed a layup. He got the ball back and had his shot blocked by Luol Deng. A demoralizing sequence, seeing as a basket there would've given the Celtics a one-point lead.

They never got any closer, never matched the Bulls' aggression and cohesion for more than a couple of possessions at a time. By the end of the quarter, the Bulls' one-point lead had grown to 11. In the end, with well-deserved MVP chants filling the United Center for Rose, Chicago beat Boston 97-81 to move within a game of clinching the No. 1 seed and homecourt advantage throughout the Eastern Conference playoffs.

"We've got to get some more fight in us," Kevin Garnett said.

"We need to look in the mirror and find out who we are," added Jeff Green.

What Celtics coach Doc Rivers sees in the mirror at the moment scares him. And it should. During their four-year run of relentless success, the Celtics have always been the team with no doubts about who and what they were. Until now. The Chicago team the Celtics ran into -- and got run over by -- Thursday night is the only team among the title contenders in the East with a firm grasp of its identity.

"They're playing harder than everybody else, with talent," Rivers said, before offering a nod to his former assistant, Bulls coach Tom Thibodeau. "I've had some teams, like the team in Orlando that played harder than everybody. But we didn't have Derrick Rose. They're playing harder than everybody, with talent. And I think that comes from Thibs, and I think that comes from Derrick Rose. I think it's those two guys that are driving their team."
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If you want to read the full article go to the link, However, the above contains what I thought was the food for thought.

They had just ripped Boston in an important game. According to the article the Bulls play with aggression and cohesion, and they play harder than anyone else. Plus they will have the best player in the Pacers/Bulls series in Rose.
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I don't know if it can be done, but the most effective way is to limit others and let the series be "Derrick Rose vs the Indiana Pacers." Our victory against them was because of this, and if everybody can contribute plus stop other Bulls from helping Rose offensively, that will be the best chance to eliminate them.

I think the most effective ways to limit Rose are:
- Have DC tire Rose off offensively. Rose, although big for a PG, is not that good in defense. If DC can use his quickness and efficiency from midrange, it will certainly tire off Rose guarding him, or may even have foul problems along the way.

- Good perimeter defense against him using physicality. DJones can be the one. Rush and George can also help using their length. It can also tire out Rose if a physical defense is pressuring him on the perimeter.

I donít think you took it far enough if we make it, "Derrick Rose vs the Indiana Pacers."
Our victory against Chicago was because Rose didn't take over soon enough. As it was he needed a pair of controversial decisions from the referees to get it into overtime, and we didn't secure the win until he fouled out. The point being if he takes over earlier, Rose is going to win. And remember he said he ďcouldnít wait to play us again.Ē So obviously heís looking to take over sooner.

So what we need to do is foul him out sooner.

I advocate full court pressure on Rose all the time. Guard everyone but him, on the throw in so he has to take the ball and then pressure him full court. Then on offence give the ball to whoever Rose is guarding, and make him play defense every play. I know playing that way would be a gimmick, but I think we need one against Chicago and Rose.

Plus we have to play just as hard and match Chicagoís aggressiveness. As is, I donít think we can match their cohesiveness, so it paramount we take away what makes them so cohesive, Rose. If we donít, Chicago will run over us. We might win one game after they get a three game lead.

D-BONE
04-10-2011, 10:45 AM
Our win against the Bulls also coincided with Boozer being out. And, IIRC, Noah had a poor game and/or was in foul trouble. Continuing with xIndyfan's line of thinking above, not only doesn't Boozer have to particularly struggle to defend our options at 4, I think both TH and JMac will likely struggle to defend his combo of height and bulk. If I'm the Bulls, I'm looking to to get Boozer off offensively early and often in the series.

Tyler and Josh will really have to play to their strengths and excel in order for us to have reasonable leverage in the matchup at the 4.

Our multitude of wings, but particularly Danny, will certainly have the opportunity to make a statement as to how good they are against Deng in a meaningful situation. Actually, what's impressed me most about Deng's improvement is his defense. I know the 3-pt and overall offensive consistency were imperative for him to get to the level they needed. But his D gave us fits even in our win at home. Another "long" player to contend with.

MTM
04-10-2011, 11:17 AM
In 98 the Bulls used Pippen to take away Mark Jackson. Can Paul George offer a similar hope? Rose's strengths and Jacksons' strengths are very different though.

ksuttonjr76
04-10-2011, 11:19 AM
I'm not sure why everyone thinks Boozer is going to be the difference maker. In the ONE matchup between Hansbrough and Boozer, Hansbrough was the better player and Boozer have 5 fouls. In the games when Boozer did play, we NEVER threw aTRUE J-Mac/Hansbrough rotation at him, and we was still relying heavily on James freaking Posey at the PF spot. Also, outside of Boozer and Noah, Chicago has no real depth at the PF/C spots. Our second unit frontcourt is hands down better than Chicago's.

Against the Pacers that ENDED the season, Chicago's starting 5 is going to have play big minutes and remarkable games every time to beat us. Now that I'm looking over everything...on paper, Pacers in 7 games. Our bench depth will be too much for Chicago over a long series. Chicago's only true chance at beating us is to take the first two games with authority which will impact mental confidence of our team. Otherwise, if Indiana establish any real confidence against Chicago, they will NOT beat us.

I'm calling it right now.

JB24
04-10-2011, 11:25 AM
http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/4496/daamn.jpg

itzryan07
04-10-2011, 11:38 AM
i just have a gut feeling that DG33 is gonna light up. he has been waiting for this moment for a long time

DrFife
04-10-2011, 11:39 AM
Here's a simplistic strategy: leverage the abilities of the goon squad.

Assume that our starters (and theirs) will average 32 minutes, or 2/3 of the game. If we can stay within 10%, point-wise--about 6 or 7 points--then our bench needs to outscore theirs by at least 20%. If the starters are left in for 36 minutes (3/4 of the game) and lags 10% behind, then our bench will have to outscore theirs by 30%, i.e., make up those 6 or 7 points in 12 minutes.

ksuttonjr76
04-10-2011, 11:48 AM
http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/4496/daamn.jpg

And?

Indiana Pacer/Chicago Bulls Regular Season Series

PPG: 90.75
FG%: 38%
3PT%: 31.0%
REB/GM: 45.75

Game 1 Game 2 Game 3 Game 4
73 Points 86 Points 89 Points 115 Points
35 FG% 32 FG% 40.7 FG% 43 FG%
15 3PT% 38 3PT% 33.3 3PT% 38 3PT%
41 Rebs 53 Rebs 39 Rebs 50 Rebs

Notice how we progressively played better with each Chicago game....

Food for thought...we averaged more FT attempts during the series than Chicago.

KingGeorge
04-10-2011, 11:48 AM
OK, fair enough, but what is the game plan. How do we control Rose and more importantly how do we find a way to constantly score against the Bulls great defense. If we dont do either of those to a certain degree, we aren't winning

That was just me living in my perfect world where everything is possible.

I know a lot of people take this team very seriously, but a little imagination and belief makes for a better experience while watching the game, imo.

If you ask me about this series realistically, I would tell you the goal is to win 1 game. Anything more than that is awesome.

As for the gameplan, I think you have to beat them at their own game. The Pacers will have to go out and match them in physical toughness. This includes dominating the boards at both sides, stopping easy points in the paint, interrupting the passing lanes, etc.

Many people have been talking about how to slow down or contain D Rose, but I don't think it can be done. The best thing you can do with him is to try and make him beat you, and not allow him to get everyone else involved.

We have been in playoff mode ever since the Bucks game, and hopefully this works out in our advantage.

This is basketball, anything is possible. Lets just enjoy the ride, and appreciate what the guys have done to renew Indiana Pacers basketball this year.

Will Galen
04-10-2011, 11:56 AM
I'm not sure why everyone thinks Boozer is going to be the difference maker. In the ONE matchup between Hansbrough and Boozer, Hansbrough was the better player and Boozer have 5 fouls. In the games when Boozer did play, we NEVER threw aTRUE J-Mac/Hansbrough rotation at him, and we was still relying heavily on James freaking Posey at the PF spot. Also, outside of Boozer and Noah, Chicago has no real depth at the PF/C spots. Our second unit frontcourt is hands down better than Chicago's.

Against the Pacers that ENDED the season, Chicago's starting 5 is going to have play big minutes and remarkable games every time to beat us. Now that I'm looking over everything...on paper, Pacers in 7 games. Our bench depth will be too much for Chicago over a long series. Chicago's only true chance at beating us is to take the first two games with authority which will impact mental confidence of our team. Otherwise, if Indiana establish any real confidence against Chicago, they will NOT beat us.

I'm calling it right now.

Everyone thinks Boozer will be the difference maker? Everyone? That doesn't make sense in as much as a lot of us have already posted in this thread think Rose will be the difference.

And as for are second unit being better than Chicago's that really doesn't matter much. In the playoffs the first unit always plays a lot more minutes. I think you're counting chicken's in your analyse that will never hatch. I'm very agreeable to your being right though! Very agreeable!

Evan_The_Dude
04-10-2011, 12:02 PM
We need to play like the 06-07 Warriors, like we have nothing to lose. There's literally no pressure on us. This is nearly ideal to have the 8th seed, "taste" the playoffs and "taste" the intensity. Then some of these guys can see how high they need to raise their game for the future. I certainly think the fact that Danny got to START in the playoffs during his rookie year in the playoffs did a lot for his career.

shags
04-10-2011, 12:19 PM
Bulls in 5. The Bulls are a great example of "the whole is better than the sum of the parts" team.

However, there's a little 08 Celtics in Chicago, and there's a little 08 Hawks in the Pacers. So this series could be pretty competitive.

I see no way the Pacers can win, though, barring a Derrick Rose injury that keeps him out for the series.

The Jackson shimmy
04-10-2011, 12:40 PM
I didn't see any of the 4 reg season games. So, the following
are just interesting stats that jumped off the page while
perusing the box scores.

In those games, Hibbert scored 6, 2, 2 and 15 pts. The latter was
the only game the Pacers won.

Boozer had 18 rbs in the 1st game, Thomas had 18 in the 2nd game
and Gibson had 16 in the last game.

The Pacers collective Ast/TO ratio vs the Bulls #1 Def was 1.36 which
is higher than their ratio of 1.28 against the league for the entire
season.

joeyd
04-10-2011, 12:44 PM
boozer has trouble defending length. pacers are short of those at the 4. tyler is too short, josh is too weak. jeff can defend boozer, but cannot score at all. one of the things that will come out of this series is the pacer's need for a PF.

Jeff does not need to score, just like Rodman did not need to score when the Pistons won. Jeff only needs to get his put-backs. The system breaks down only if 1) Roy is not scoring while in, or is in foul trouble or 2) the other players representing the typical first four offensive options are not getting the job done.

If Jeff/Roy/Jones (maybe we should dress him) can do a decent job on Boozer or at least play a physical game against him (well, that would be predominantly Jeff) then the rest of the team can do it's thing and we have a puncher's chance.

Brad8888
04-10-2011, 01:21 PM
Pacers have to devise a way to occupy the Chicago bigs and get them into foul trouble to keep them from being able to body up Roy and take him out of his offensive rhythm. The best way to do that is to utilize drives to the rim after Roy posts up, with Roy kicking back out to the drivers. Occasionally, Roy needs to re-post and receive the ball a little deeper in a position to allow him to go to work offensively.

Then, the Pacers have to also use those drives to get to the line as often as possible. Finally, they have to hit some jumpers and get boards despite the Bulls bigs. I am afraid that Foster, Hansbrough, McRoberts, and Hibbert are going to have their hands full on the boards, though.

Notice that I don't say the first word about stopping Rose until right now. I agree with other's sentiment that the best way to stop the Bulls is to make Rose beat us by taking over the game and not allowing his teammates to get involved.

I suspect that the Pacers will win one game, maybe two, unless somehow they get hot shooting. The Bulls are pretty strong, and generally their first string has the advantage at most positions, and significantly so at some positions in my opinion.

That said, I hope the Pacers shock the world!!!!!!!! Goooooooo Pacers!!!!!!!!

PaceBalls
04-10-2011, 01:22 PM
I watched the Bulls play the other day and having Boozer out there takes them to a whole other level. When we beat them Boozer was out. I don't know who I am more worried about really. Boozer or DRose.

With DRose, I'd like to see Dahntay get a lot of time guarding him. Our little guards don't really stand a chance vs him.

With Boozer, Having Tyler on him is probably best, but he is so crafty around the rim. I think that will be a fun matchup.

Kurt is going to give Hibbert a really tough time. He is one of the most difficult matchups for Hibbert in the NBA. Roy might do better in the high post when Kurt is on the floor.

The rest of the team we can match up with decently. Deng is a great talent, but we can shut him down with Granger/George/Rush.


The advantages we have are that we can show them multiple looks. Our team is very dynamic and we can switch up our offense and defense with our many interchangeable parts.

When Mike and Josh come in off the bench, the Bulls are facing a completely different offense.

Jeff Foster is still as good as Noah, in fact he might be better at rebounding.

When old Kurt takes a rest, Hibbert can exploit them big time.

I think our bench is the key to this series. We need our Starters to keep it close, but the bench is where we can beat the Bulls.

I expect them to win one game at least.

ksuttonjr76
04-10-2011, 01:40 PM
Everyone thinks Boozer will be the difference maker? Everyone? That doesn't make sense in as much as a lot of us have already posted in this thread think Rose will be the difference.

And as for are second unit being better than Chicago's that really doesn't matter much. In the playoffs the first unit always plays a lot more minutes. I think you're counting chicken's in your analyse that will never hatch. I'm very agreeable to your being right though! Very agreeable!

I meant difference maker as that some people believe that J-Mac/Hansbrough can't handle Boozer, while I think it's the other way around.

ksuttonjr76
04-10-2011, 01:44 PM
I didn't see any of the 4 reg season games. So, the following
are just interesting stats that jumped off the page while
perusing the box scores.

In those games, Hibbert scored 6, 2, 2 and 15 pts. The latter was
the only game the Pacers won.

Boozer had 18 rbs in the 1st game, Thomas had 18 in the 2nd game
and Gibson had 16 in the last game.

The Pacers collective Ast/TO ratio vs the Bulls #1 Def was 1.36 which
is higher than their ratio of 1.28 against the league for the entire
season.

Here's something that I posted in a different thread...


Game # 1
http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=301213004
No Danny Granger. Hansbrough, George, and Foster were DNP-CD while Posey had 33 minutes had the PF spot. Chicago had their full squad. Final score 92-73, Bulls win.

Game # 2
http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=310114011
This game I can say that Chicago just outright whupped us, BUT Josh McRoberts only played 4 minutes while racking up 4 DNP-CD before that game. Chicago had their full squad. Final score 86-99.

Game # 3
http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=310129004
THE GAME that got JOB fired. Personally, I feel that JOB coached this game to the loss, so he could get fired. The decisions that JOB was making in this game were not making any sense. No Tyler, but Chicago had a full squad. Josh had 3 DNP-CD, and only played the Bulls and Nets games, because Tyler had pneumonia. Final score 89-110


Game #4
http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=310318011
Ahhh...this is where it gets interesting. The starting 5 have played 5 games with each other. Before that point, the players individually have been getting consistent minutes, and playing their intended roles. The Pacers survived a 42 point from Rose to win the game. However, Boozer didn't play this game. Final score 115-108 (OT).

Personally, I like our chances against the Bulls, and I don't expect Rose to score 40+ points in each game.

EDIT: Looking at the box scores, the X-Factor seems to be Roy Hibbert. In the losses, Hibbert had 6, 2, and 2 points while basically being a non-factor. If a recall, Hibbert was having confidence issues during those particular games. If Hibbert and Hansbrough play to their talents, then Chicago will not be able to stop us. ESPECIALLY, if Tyler gets Noah into foul trouble.

We have to keep in mind that Posey played some heavy minutes at the PF spot, and we didn't have our completely healthy, CONSISTENT PF rotation in the first three meetings. In a sense, you can almost dismiss the first three games, since there is so much night and day difference between the JOB and Vogel teams.

KingGeorge
04-10-2011, 02:08 PM
We have to keep in mind that Posey played some heavy minutes at the PF spot, and we didn't have our completely healthy, CONSISTENT PF rotation in the first three meetings. In a sense, you can almost dismiss the first three games, since there is so much night and day difference between the JOB and Vogel teams.

We also have to keep in mind though that the Bulls were playing horrible defense up until the 4th quarter in the game we won.

ksuttonjr76
04-10-2011, 02:10 PM
We also have to keep in mind though that the Bulls were playing horrible defense up until the 4th quarter in the game we won.

Or we was playing great offense, until the 4th quarter.

KingGeorge
04-10-2011, 02:12 PM
Or we was playing great offense, until the 4th quarter.

You're right. We were playing great offense in that game. I also remember the refs were giving Rose every call at the end of the game too.

mattie
04-10-2011, 02:21 PM
Your right. We were playing great offense in that game. I also remember the refs were giving Rose every call at the end of the game too.

You're. You are right equals the conjunction you're right.

KingGeorge
04-10-2011, 02:25 PM
You're. You are right equals the conjunction you're right.

Thank you eighth grade English teacher :rolleyes:

D-BONE
04-10-2011, 02:58 PM
I don't see how inside rotation of Noah, Boozer, Gibson, Asik, and Thomas cannot be considered formidable in terms of a rebounding, physical challenge, KSuttonjr76.

Eleazar
04-10-2011, 03:30 PM
If the Pacers constantly play their A game I expect them to take it to 7 games, and give them a 50/50 chance to win. The Pacers player there A game can compete and beat anyone, they are good enough to win a championship. The problem is they have problems with consistently playing their A game. The ultimately will be the difference in this series. It isn't what the Bulls do, it is what the Pacers do. We know exactly what the Bulls will do, we have a whole season of tape. We do not know what the Pacers will do. We only have a little less than half a season, and they have been inconsistent.

PacersForever
04-10-2011, 03:38 PM
Jameer just said to Rose "I'll catch you in the second round" lmao

focused444
04-10-2011, 03:40 PM
Jameer just said to Rose "I'll catch you in the second round" lmao

I saw that too. Man I want the Pacers to win...

PacersForever
04-10-2011, 03:46 PM
I saw that too. Man I want the Pacers win...

I hope the Hawks heard that lol.

Same. If everyone says focused they can. The Bulls are honestly not that great.

Unclebuck
04-10-2011, 04:18 PM
I'll repeat what I've posted in other threads.

When the Pacers lose this series and we look back at and try to determine why, the biggest problem will be the Pacers were unable to score well enough against the Bulls great defense.

Having said that I think the best way to defend Rose is to throw the kitchen sink at him. He is really their only playmaker, if you take the ball out of his hands, he doesn't have a teammate that can create offense.

When I say throw the kitchen sink at him, I mainly mean change things up, sometimes double team him hard as soon as he gets across midcourt, sometimes double team and trap him hard on all pick and rolls - and change away from those approaches as soon as it appears the Bulls are adjusting. But in general I would try to take the ball out of Rose's hands as much as you possibly can.

If that approach ions't working, I might try playing Rose more straight up through three quarters and then in the fourth quarter I would do everything possible to take the ball out of Rose's hands. Why? Because if you go through three quarter with Rose scoring a majority of the Bulls points, and then force other players to score in the 4th when the pressure is on and when they are in a rhythm of scoring.

As far as a stat is concerned, the pacers shooting percentage will tell us who won the game. In the 1 or maybe 2 games they ight win the pacers will have to shoot 45% or better

focused444
04-10-2011, 04:24 PM
I'll repeat what I've posted in other threads.

When the Pacers lose this series and we look back at and try to determine why, the biggest problem will be the Pacers were unable to score well enough against the Bulls great defense.

Having said that I think the best way to defend Rose is to throw the kitchen sink at him. He is really their only playmaker, if you take the ball out of his hands, he doesn't have a teammate that can create offense.

When I say throw the kitchen sink at him, I mainly mean change things up, sometimes double team him hard as soon as he gets across midcourt, sometimes double team and trap him hard on all pick and rolls - and change away from those approaches as soon as it appears the Bulls are adjusting. But in general I would try to take the ball out of Rose's hands as much as you possibly can.

If that approach ions't working, I might try playing Rose more straight up through three quarters and then in the fourth quarter I would do everything possible to take the ball out of Rose's hands. Why? Because if you go through three quarter with Rose scoring a majority of the Bulls points, and then force other players to score in the 4th when the pressure is on and when they are in a rhythm of scoring.

As far as a stat is concerned, the pacers shooting percentage will tell us who won the game. In the 1 or maybe 2 games they ight win the pacers will have to shoot 45% or better

I hope they try these exact strategies, and anything else they can come up with. I want to see if he's unstoppable. I want to know they tried everything in their power to make it tough on him.

Jon Theodore
04-10-2011, 04:42 PM
I'll join in on the "bold predictions."

I predict Tyler Hansbrough leads the Pacers in scoring, "surprising" everyone with his ability to score on Boozer. Bulls will focus on Granger, eliminating his ability to produce as he would like to offensively. This series depends on Grangers ability to get his teammates involved with the offense.

I also predict Roy having a terrible series...I'd LOVE to be wrong about this one. I just see Chicago's bigs shutting him down...we will probably see Foster more than we are anticipating.

Jon Theodore
04-10-2011, 04:49 PM
I REALLY hope Paul George is aggresive during the playoffs and looking for his shot. Fact is his role in the starting five is really to be a faciliator, he has even said that he enjoys facilitating more than scoring.

BUT...with his length and athletisicm he should be able to get easier looks than anybody else.

pacer4ever
04-10-2011, 05:19 PM
Here's something that I posted in a different thread...



We have to keep in mind that Posey played some heavy minutes at the PF spot, and we didn't have our completely healthy, CONSISTENT PF rotation in the first three meetings. In a sense, you can almost dismiss the first three games, since there is so much night and day difference between the JOB and Vogel teams.

No you cant then if you do that you have to dismiss the last game. Noah had the flu and Boozer was out. They woud of been 4-0 vs us if 100% healthy like u say the Pacers were not.

ksuttonjr76
04-10-2011, 05:27 PM
I don't see how inside rotation of Noah, Boozer, Gibson, Asik, and Thomas cannot be considered formidable in terms of a rebounding, physical challenge, KSuttonjr76.

Indiana's first 2 games they had more offensive rebounds than Chicago. In Game 1, Posey played 33 minutes and we had no Hansbrough. In Game 2, McRoberts played FOUR minutes while Posey had 8 minutes and Granger played spot minutes at the PF spot. I'm going to ignore Game 3, Posey played 18 minutes and there was no Hansbrough. Game 4 is probably the best indication of what our frontcourt can do against Chicago, but they were without Boozer. Basically what I'm saying is that Chicago played a frontcourt that was in their favor for 3 of the 4 games, and they didn't outright dominate us.

I would do the stats, but since JOB gift-wrapped Posey to Chicago, the data would be heavily skewed in favor of Chicago. Heck, in Game One Boozer had 22 Points and 18 rebounds on 10 of 21 shooting. In Game Three, Boozer had 24 points and 10 rebounds on 11 of 21 shooting.

ksuttonjr76
04-10-2011, 05:33 PM
No you cant then if you do that you have to dismiss the last game. Noah had the flu and Boozer was out. They woud of been 4-0 vs us if 100% healthy like u say the Pacers were not.

And we could have been 4-0 against them if JOB had played the best lineups in the first 3 games instead jerking around everyone minutes, and playing Posey minutes at the PF spot against Boozer. Anytime we played Posey at the PF for large minutes against the likes of Boozers, Josh Smith, Amare...we're going to lose.

pacer4ever
04-10-2011, 05:46 PM
And we could have been 4-0 against them if JOB had played the best lineups in the first 3 games instead jerking around everyone minutes, and playing Posey minutes at the PF spot against Boozer. Anytime we played Posey at the PF for large minutes against the likes of Boozers, Josh Smith, Amare...we're going to lose.

:lol2: JOB was bad but come on you can't blame everything on him Bulls are a muh much better team than us and would have beat us with John Wooden coaching the team.

Sookie
04-10-2011, 05:46 PM
I don't think you can look at past results against Chicago in order to try and predict the playoffs. It's a completely different animal.

Only top team I really thought we matched up well with was Miami.

pacer4ever
04-10-2011, 05:48 PM
I don't think you can look at past results against Chicago in order to try and predict the playoffs. It's a completely different animal.

Only top team I really thought we matched up well with was Miami.

Ya Drose in the regular season doesnt play defense. Drose in playoffs plays lock down defense. It is just a different level of intensty on the defenseive end of the floor.

ksuttonjr76
04-10-2011, 05:58 PM
:lol2: JOB was bad but come on you can't blame everything on him Bulls are a muh much better team than us and would have beat us with John Wooden coaching the team.

He was the coach at the time, right? Did we or did we not beat the Chicago Bulls with a team with players that have been getting consistent minutes and clearly defined roles? The Pacers team that was beaten in the first 3 games is NOT the same team that won the 4th game. Period. If we were entering the playoffs with the same coaching philsophy and attitude that was present in the first three games, then I would be the first to say that we would have gotten sweep in the first round.

The Pacers team that ending the season is MUCH more confident and has better team chemistry that the shell of a team that JOB left us with.

Trophy
04-10-2011, 06:04 PM
The Bulls have owned us for a while up until that last game.

It should be a good matchup just because it's a playoff game, but the Bulls aren't going to back down at all and we better not.

pacer4ever
04-10-2011, 06:05 PM
He was the coach at the time, right? Did we or did we not beat the Chicago Bulls with a team with players that have been getting consistent minutes and clearly defined roles? The Pacers team that was beaten in the first 3 games is NOT the same team that won the 4th game. Period. If we were entering the playoffs with the same coaching philsophy and attitude that was present in the first three games, then I would be the first to say that we would have gotten sweep in the first round.

The Pacers team that ending the season is MUCH more confident and has better team chemistry that the shell of a team that JOB left us with.

Chicago is the best team in the east maybe in the ENTIRE NBA your incompetent if you think that we would hve beat the Bulls 4-0 in the season series with Vogel as coach. That is just plain homer talk.

ksuttonjr76
04-10-2011, 06:08 PM
Ya Drose in the regular season doesnt play defense. Drose in playoffs plays lock down defense. It is just a different level of intensty on the defenseive end of the floor.

That's a d*mn lie. Rajon Rondo lit his *ss up in the playoffs. It was a good series, but he didn't lock down Rajon.

http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=290418002

pacer4ever
04-10-2011, 06:11 PM
That's a d*mn lie. Rajon Rondo lit his *ss up in the playoffs. It was a good series, but he didn't lock down Rajon.

http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=290418002

and Drose out played him that series. He picks up his defense in the playoffs compared to the regular season that is a fact.

ksuttonjr76
04-10-2011, 06:18 PM
Chicago is the best team in the east maybe in the ENTIRE NBA your incompetent if you think that we would hve beat the Bulls 4-0 in the season series with Vogel as coach. That is just plain homer talk.

Maybe or maybe not, but I do know that Posey wouldn't have gotten minutes at the PF, and our J-Mac/Hansbrough rotation would have been more solid. This was poorly coached before Vogel, and the team was underachieving as a result.

pacer4ever
04-10-2011, 06:21 PM
Maybe or maybe not, but I do know that Posey wouldn't have gotten minutes at the PF, and our J-Mac/Hansbrough rotation would have been more solid. This was poorly coached before Vogel, and the team was underachieving as a result.

:imout: homerism alert no way in hell we were gonna sweep Chicago in the season series thats stupid crazy talk Chicago is 15-1 in the divison. Yes they are that good. This is just crazy talk.

JEM
04-10-2011, 06:23 PM
I think the starters need to play as much as they can.. Last thing the Pacers need is for the Bulls starters to get 10 - 15 minutes floor time against the bench.

ksuttonjr76
04-10-2011, 06:37 PM
:imout: homerism alert no way in hell we were gonna sweep Chicago in the season series thats stupid crazy talk Chicago is 15-1 in the divison. Yes they are that good. This is just crazy talk.

Chicago didn't sweep us, so we're not that bad.

You said that Chicago would have sweep us if they had Boozer that night, and I'm saying that Indiana could have sweep Chicago if we had correct rotations and consistent minutes from the start. You can't prove me wrong, and I can't prove you wrong. The point you keep missing that I keep stating is that the Indiana team for the first three games is NOT the same team that played the for fourth game. Period.

ksuttonjr76
04-10-2011, 06:38 PM
I think the starters need to play as much as they can.. Last thing the Pacers need is for the Bulls starters to get 10 - 15 minutes floor time against the bench.

Meh...just means that they will be that much tired come 4th quarter, and the longer that series go.

ilive4sports
04-10-2011, 06:51 PM
Chicago didn't sweep us, so we're not that bad.

You said that Chicago would have sweep us if they had Boozer that night, and I'm saying that Indiana could have sweep Chicago if we had correct rotations and consistent minutes from the start. You can't prove me wrong, and I can't prove you wrong. The point you keep missing that I keep stating is that the Indiana team for the first three games is NOT the same team that played the for fourth game. Period.

And in the fourth game we barely won in OT at home when they didn't have Boozer. Chicago is arguably the best team in the league. I'm all for thinking we can upset them, but the chances of that are slim to none. As young and inexperienced they are, we are even younger and more inexperienced.

Beating Chicago once in the playoffs would be a big thing for this franchise. Let's not expect to do any more than that.

cdash
04-10-2011, 06:57 PM
and Drose out played him that series. He picks up his defense in the playoffs compared to the regular season that is a fact.

No, that is an opinion. He might pick up his defense in the playoffs, but everyone picks up their games in the playoffs. Is his newfangled defensive effort vastly superior to anyone else's? I'm skeptical.

ksuttonjr76
04-10-2011, 07:05 PM
And in the fourth game we barely won in OT at home when they didn't have Boozer. Chicago is arguably the best team in the league. I'm all for thinking we can upset them, but the chances of that are slim to none. As young and inexperienced they are, we are even younger and more inexperienced.

Beating Chicago once in the playoffs would be a big thing for this franchise. Let's not expect to do any more than that.

However, it took a MVP performance (and some missed calls) from Rose to even make the game close. Rose is not going to have a MVP performance every game, so the question becomes...can Chicago beat Indiana when Rose is "normal"?

Unclebuck
04-10-2011, 07:09 PM
However, it took a MVP performance (and some missed calls) from Rose to even make the game close. Rose is not going to have a MVP performance every game, so the question becomes...can Chicago beat Indiana when Rose is "normal"?

That ws the Bulls worst game they played since the allstar break, through 3 quarters. Their defense for them was bad

Kstat
04-10-2011, 07:13 PM
I see Chicago in 5, simply because I don't think they're playoff tested enough to sweep anybody. I think they area a worse matchup than Boston or Miami for what the Pacers bring to the table.

Rose and Boozer are a nightmare matchup for Indiana. That's just a nasty 1-2 punch at the Pacers' two most vulnerable spots.

I see the Bulls going to the finals. They are the best defensive team in the NBA by a wide, wide marign.

ilive4sports
04-10-2011, 07:15 PM
However, it took a MVP performance (and some missed calls) from Rose to even make the game close. Rose is not going to have a MVP performance every game, so the question becomes...can Chicago beat Indiana when Rose is "normal"?

Derrick Rose is going to be the MVP this season. He routinely has monster games like he did against the Pacers that night. I'd say his performance was slightly above where his average is. And in a 7 game series I can see him having at least 2 games like he did in that last game against us. Especially against Collison.

And while Rose had a monster game, lets not forget how good Tyler was that game. 29 and 12 is not normal for him. I love Tyler, but his 29 and 12 is not something we can bank on him doing the whole series. 15 and 7 is a much more realistic goal for him and I would be happy if thats what he averaged in the series.

Be a little realistic here man. Yes we are a better team under Vogel. But we are not a 60 win team under Vogel. Thats what Chicago is. We would have been extremely lucky to go 2-2 against them in the season series. We are terrible on the road. Winning at Chicago is pretty much out of the question. They are just a superior team than us and there isn't anything wrong in admitting that.

Sookie
04-10-2011, 07:24 PM
First, we have to play to our advantages. Unfortunately, I think we only have one. Our depth. We can go 11 deep, and we should. Just keep throwing guys at them.

Second, defensively, there are a few things we can do.

We can play the Celtics/Spurs "all star" defense. Essentially doubling + the super star with help. Celtics did/do this to Kobe as well as to Lebron. The Spurs did it to Lebron years ago.

I don't suggest going this way, because it takes an elite defensive team to do it.

Then there's the "cutting the head off the snake" method, which is particularly helpful against point guards. Where you essentially force the point guard to beat you by himself or give the ball up. (Michigan State does this well, actually.) But once again..probably best for an elite defensive team.

Then, to me, the obvious option is a zone. Make them beat us from outside. Particularly with Rose. Make him beat us with jump shots.

Offensively is also going to be an issue. As someone else said, we need fast break points. Offensive rebounds will be key too. I think we just need to be patient and move the ball..but at the same time, when opportunities present themselves, DC and AJ need to make Rose work.

I'd suggest DC try and beat Rose with his quickness. AJ, personally I'd play him off the ball a bit (with Josh and Dun doing more of the playmaking) and make Rose chase AJ around screens and such. (Easily the most annoying thing in the world to guard). In fact, when either Dun or Josh are in with the starters, I'd do the same with DC. Tire Rose out.

ksuttonjr76
04-10-2011, 07:26 PM
That ws the Bulls worst game they played since the allstar break, through 3 quarters. Their defense for them was bad

So when Indiana has good offense, Chicago is playing bad defense? When Indiana has bad offense, Chicago is playing great defense? When Chicago is playing good offense, Indiana is not a good defensive team, so that's expected? When Chicago is playing poor offense, then they're just off and it has nothing to do with Indiana's defense? Is that what you're trying to telling me?

ilive4sports
04-10-2011, 07:28 PM
So when Indiana has good offense, Chicago is playing bad defense? When Indiana has bad offense, Chicago is playing great defense? When Chicago is playing good offense, Indiana is not a good defensive team, so that's expected? When Chicago is playing poor offense, then they're just off and it has nothing to do with Indiana's defense? Is that what you're trying to telling me?

I wouldn't really say we had good offense that game. Tyler had a monster game, but we only shot 43% that game. Nothing great about that.

ksuttonjr76
04-10-2011, 07:31 PM
Derrick Rose is going to be the MVP this season. He routinely has monster games like he did against the Pacers that night. I'd say his performance was slightly above where his average is. And in a 7 game series I can see him having at least 2 games like he did in that last game against us. Especially against Collison.

And while Rose had a monster game, lets not forget how good Tyler was that game. 29 and 12 is not normal for him. I love Tyler, but his 29 and 12 is not something we can bank on him doing the whole series. 15 and 7 is a much more realistic goal for him and I would be happy if thats what he averaged in the series.

Be a little realistic here man. Yes we are a better team under Vogel. But we are not a 60 win team under Vogel. Thats what Chicago is. We would have been extremely lucky to go 2-2 against them in the season series. We are terrible on the road. Winning at Chicago is pretty much out of the question. They are just a superior team than us and there isn't anything wrong in admitting that.

I don't care about speculating whether or not we're a potential a 60-win team...I only care about beating Chicago in the first round.

ksuttonjr76
04-10-2011, 07:34 PM
I wouldn't really say we had good offense that game. Tyler had a monster game, but we only shot 43% that game. Nothing great about that.

Well...d*mn...let's give Indiana no credit. We'll just call game 4 a lucky game, since so many of us expected Indiana to lose.

Eleazar
04-10-2011, 07:57 PM
Well...d*mn...let's give Indiana no credit. We'll just call game 4 a lucky game, since so many of us expected Indiana to lose.

Yeah, I think people are still thinking this team is coach by JOB. Despite this team constantly getting up for the best teams in the league and competing with them like they are one of the best teams in the league. There are two reasons this team isn't on pace for 55 wins under Vogel. First is the melt down, which they came out of on the other side. The other is not getting up for below average teams. Just look at how this team has played whenever they played Miami, Celtics, or Bulls since Vogel took over. They didn't get clobbered, and get lucky once. They played every single team tough, and could have easily won a couple more with a little luck. I'm not saying the Pacers are as good as the Bulls, but they aren't as far behind as many on here are making them out to be. Give this team Vogel at the beginning of the year with the young guys and this team wins at least 45 games minimum. Or in other words 5th in the East.

Mono
04-10-2011, 09:47 PM
In order to win this series, the Pacers have to attack Boozer without mercy. As a Jazz fan who has seen Boozer in many playoff games, I can tell you: Boozer is not tough. He likes to scream "gimme that!" while ripping rebounds away from teammates, and he likes to kick his legs when he dunks, and he likes to shout "aaaaaa!" when he's defending you --but he is not tough. If you get into the paint and bang with him, he will wilt. He will disappear at the end of the game and at the end of a long playoff series. He does not want to get banged around. He is a paper tiger.

Noah compensates for Boozer's matador defense, but if the Pacers can get their bigs passing to each other effectively inside and negate Noah's help defense, and if they can beat up on Boozer, I think they have a chance.

LA_Confidential
04-10-2011, 09:53 PM
In order to win this series, the Pacers have to attack Boozer without mercy. As a Jazz fan who has seen Boozer in many playoff games, I can tell you: Boozer is not tough. He likes to scream "gimme that!" while ripping rebounds away from teammates, and he likes to kick his legs when he dunks, and he likes to shout "aaaaaa!" when he's defending you --but he is not tough. If you get into the paint and bang with him, he will wilt. He will disappear at the end of the game and at the end of a long playoff series. He does not want to get banged around. He is a paper tiger.

Noah compensates for Boozer's matador defense, but if the Pacers can get their bigs passing to each other effectively inside and negate Noah's help defense, and if they can beat up on Boozer, I think they have a chance.

Tyler is the perfect candidate for the job.

ilive4sports
04-10-2011, 10:17 PM
Well...d*mn...let's give Indiana no credit. We'll just call game 4 a lucky game, since so many of us expected Indiana to lose.

I give us credit for winning against a great team. But I am also realistic in the fact that we are not as good as a 60 win team. Going 1-3 against the Bulls is pretty much what I would expect this team to do. Chicago was on the second night of a back to back and without Boozer.

This team wins about 45 games in a full season under Vogel. Let's not act like we are giant killers here. Yes we be Boston and Chicago, but only a handful of the teams Vogel has beaten are playoff teams. And while we have dropped games to Sacramento and Detroit, we have actually done a better job at taking care of the worse teams since Vogel took over.

All I'm saying is let's not get ahead of ourselves. We are 20-17 with Vogel. Even in our 6 game losing streak, we were likely to lose to OKC, Dallas, Houston and even Philly. Under Vogel we have done a good job at beating the teams we should and losing to the teams that are better than us. While we lost to Detroit and Sacramento we balance it out with wins over Boston and Chicago.

We are not as good as Chicago. We shouldn't expect to win the series (as fans) at all. Chicago is much further down the rebuilding road than we are. They got their big FA last summer. Their big rookie has developed. Lets talk when Paul George is in his third year and we have signed a FA that helps big time.

Saying we could have swept Chicago this season is crazy talk. This team isn't that good. I think we have a lot of the pieces to be very good and I mean very good. But we still need a piece or two and need to let these young guys develop.

JEM
04-11-2011, 12:52 AM
Rose is really the only really big mismatch against the Bulls.

Boozer while good still doesnt like to play defense so Hansbrough could probably keep that matchup fairly close.

Noah and Hibbert is a toss up. I could see Hibbert winning one night and Noah the next.

Jared Sullinger
04-11-2011, 02:17 AM
and Drose out played him that series. He picks up his defense in the playoffs compared to the regular season that is a fact.

:wtf2:

Rondo DEMOLISHED Derrick Rose in that series: 18 ppg, 9.4 rpg, 11.6 apg. In fact, if I remember correctly, it was that series that really put Rondo on the map as one bad mamma jamma.

Unclebuck
04-11-2011, 08:00 AM
In the game Sunday night agianst the Knicks you saw one of the Pacers biggest problems.

When the opponent even an opponent as weak defensively as the Knicks steps up their defense the Pacers struggle, they cannot get good shots, they turjn the ball over and worse yet most of the time their defense suffers as well.

OK, with that in mind then you add the playoffs into the mix and the fact that the Bulls are a great defensive team - - that is going to be a problem. Of course it is always tough to score in the playoffs, but if the pacers allow their offense to negaitvely impact their defense, that is how blowouts will happen

NuffSaid
04-11-2011, 11:48 AM
I don't know if it can be done, but the most effective way is to limit others and let the series be "Derrick Rose vs the Indiana Pacers." Our victory against them was because of this, and if everybody can contribute plus stop other Bulls from helping Rose offensively, that will be the best chance to eliminate them.

I think the most effective ways to limit Rose are:

- Have DC tire Rose off offensively. Rose, although big for a PG, is not that good in defense. If DC can use his quickness and efficiency from midrange, it will certainly tire off Rose guarding him, or may even have foul problems along the way.

- Good perimeter defense against him using physicality. DJones can be the one. Rush and George can also help using their length. It can also tire out Rose if a physical defense is pressuring him on the perimeter.

In short, make Rose work on the defensive end. I think there's some merit to implementing this strategy.

Another that might proof equally effective is defend everyone else and let Rose beat you by himself. It's the same strategy most teams use to employ against the Lakers before they got Odom and Gasol, but they did so because they knew Kobe enjoyed playing 1-on-1 and would rarely pass the ball. It would be a bit more difficult to do against the Bulls because Rose his one helluva passer especially when he's on the move and he's able to get into the paint. So, 15th Parallel is right when he suggests forcing Rose to become more of a jump shooter rather than a penetrator and creator.

There's also another element to the Bulls game I think warrants attention: the front court. Because Rose is such a good passer in traffic, their Bigs get tons of points off assists. So, boxing out will be huge for the Pacers. If we can somehow find a way to keep Boozer, Deng, Noah, Thomas and now Gibson from being effective in the paint, we can beat the Bulls.

It's a load, but I think the Pacers can atleast go the distance in the first round. For me, it's about our depth and knocking down shots in the half-court. The Bulls will want to run. They don't want to play a half-court game. That's when players like Dunleavy in our motion offense can hurt the Bulls. As long as we're moving, cutting, screening and making quick, accurate passes we can get under the Bulls skins and beat them. It's also going to mean that coach Vogel will have to keep mixing things up. He'll have to recognize when the Bulls have figured out what offensive set he's using. Still, in a motion game I think the Pacers have the upper hand.

Depth and our ability to knock down the open shot will be key. The X-Factor for the Pacers, I think, will be Dahntey Jones and, depending on if he gets playing time, TJ Ford. Imagine using not one, not two but THREE fast PGs against the likes of Rose and force him to defend atleast two of them. Or perhaps going with a 2-PG back court.

As long as Hibbert, Jmac and Hans can collectively handle Boozer, Noah and Thomas, Granger neutralize Deng and our SGs can match theirs, this game should come down to which PG(s) performs better.

BRushWithDeath
04-11-2011, 11:51 AM
As long as Hibbert, Jmac and Hans can collectively handle Boozer, Noah and Thomas, Granger neutralize Deng and our SGs can match theirs, this game should come down to which PG(s) performs better.

So you're predicting Bulls in 4?

NuffSaid
04-11-2011, 11:57 AM
In the game Sunday night agianst the Knicks you saw one of the Pacers biggest problems.

When the opponent even an opponent as weak defensively as the Knicks steps up their defense the Pacers struggle, they cannot get good shots, they turjn the ball over and worse yet most of the time their defense suffers as well.

OK, with that in mind then you add the playoffs into the mix and the fact that the Bulls are a great defensive team - - that is going to be a problem. Of course it is always tough to score in the playoffs, but if the pacers allow their offense to negaitvely impact their defense, that is how blowouts will happen
If you really watch the last 1:30 of that game what you'll see is the Pacers kinda took things for granted near the end. That behind-the-back dribble Collison tried, for example, was him trying something alittle different - showboating really - and he got caught trying to be too fancy and turned the ball over. Prior to that, Collison was just lazy with his pass. Hibbert errored in attempting the long outlet pass to Dunleavy that got picked off and the Bulls came back to score. It was just a series of misfortune by a team that presumed to have the game locked up and got alittle disjointed in the end. The Knicks, led by Melo, just got lucky the Pacers let up at the wrong time, turned the ball over not due to pressure defense but by their own carelessness and Melo got off a good, well defended last-second shot to win the game. Had less to do with the Knicks improved or "desperate" last second dig-in on the defensive end and more do to with the Pacers just playing too loose and carefree at the wrong time.

NuffSaid
04-11-2011, 12:10 PM
So you're predicting Bulls in 4?
No. Not at all. You must not have very much confidence in the ability of our PGs to either defend well or put Rose back on his heals and force him to defend.

Again, we have 3 proven PGs, all of whom have shown they can score the ball from the floor, from the perimeter or by driving the lanes. Where's the Bulls other above average PG?

Hint: Rose averages 37 MPG.

Both Rose and Collison have similar stats. Rose scores X2 as many points as Collison (25 -vs- 13), gets one more rebound per game than Collison (2-1), averages 2 more assist per game than Collison, but that's where their differences end. Both players have very similar FG, FT, 3PA and AST numbers. Wear Rose down by making him work more on the defensive end and play solid defense in all other areas of the game and you can beat the Bulls.

BRushWithDeath
04-11-2011, 12:28 PM
No. Not at all. You must not have very much confidence in the ability of our PGs to either defend well or put Rose back on his heals and force him to defend.


You're right. I have zero confidence in the ability of our PGs to do either of those things.

Sookie
04-11-2011, 12:39 PM
So you're predicting Bulls in 4?

Yea, I love DC and AJ, and I've said repeatedly people have been way too harsh on the two of them.

However, Rose is going to kill both of them. They can probably outplay Chicago's backup PG, but my guess is Chicago's backup PG will play about 8 minutes. That'll help.

You can't ask either to defend Rose. Rose is just too big and too hard to guard. That job needs to go to DJones, PG, and Rush.

I do think both can make Rose work on the defensive end. As I said, DC can use his quickness, and playing AJ off the ball and having him run off of screens and such may tire Rose out for the end of the game.

But really, that's our big mismatch..and expecting..or even thinking it's possible for AJ or DC to outplay Rose for an entire series is silly. We've got to make it up elsewhere.

Unclebuck
04-11-2011, 01:40 PM
It is 99.9% sure that game one will be Saturday in Chicago. The Blackhawks host an NHL game Sunday.

ksuttonjr76
04-11-2011, 01:45 PM
If you really watch the last 1:30 of that game what you'll see is the Pacers kinda took things for granted near the end. That behind-the-back dribble Collison tried, for example, was him trying something alittle different - showboating really - and he got caught trying to be too fancy and turned the ball over. Prior to that, Collison was just lazy with his pass. Hibbert errored in attempting the long outlet pass to Dunleavy that got picked off and the Bulls came back to score. It was just a series of misfortune by a team that presumed to have the game locked up and got alittle disjointed in the end. The Knicks, led by Melo, just got lucky the Pacers let up at the wrong time, turned the ball over not due to pressure defense but by their own carelessness and Melo got off a good, well defended last-second shot to win the game. Had less to do with the Knicks improved or "desperate" last second dig-in on the defensive end and more do to with the Pacers just playing too loose and carefree at the wrong time.

Thank you! I was going to post something similar. Basically, we lost the game due to some untimely turnovers. I'm not going to lie...I thought the game was won until those last few turnovers. It is what it is.

CableKC
04-11-2011, 01:54 PM
If you really watch the last 1:30 of that game what you'll see is the Pacers kinda took things for granted near the end. That behind-the-back dribble Collison tried, for example, was him trying something alittle different - showboating really - and he got caught trying to be too fancy and turned the ball over. Prior to that, Collison was just lazy with his pass. Hibbert errored in attempting the long outlet pass to Dunleavy that got picked off and the Bulls came back to score. It was just a series of misfortune by a team that presumed to have the game locked up and got alittle disjointed in the end. The Knicks, led by Melo, just got lucky the Pacers let up at the wrong time, turned the ball over not due to pressure defense but by their own carelessness and Melo got off a good, well defended last-second shot to win the game. Had less to do with the Knicks improved or "desperate" last second dig-in on the defensive end and more do to with the Pacers just playing too loose and carefree at the wrong time.
I am hoping that this is a sign of immaturity when it comes to the Players. My guess is that this is one of the aspects of the roster that Bird or whoever comes in to replace him will address by getting some more veteran talent with experience to help stabilize the lineup. We see this with veterans on our Team like Posey, Foster and Inferno that gets on the younger Players.

Sookie
04-11-2011, 07:10 PM
I am hoping that this is a sign of immaturity when it comes to the Players. My guess is that this is one of the aspects of the roster that Bird or whoever comes in to replace him will address by getting some more veteran talent with experience to help stabilize the lineup. We see this with veterans on our Team like Posey, Foster and Inferno that gets on the younger Players.

To be fair to the younger guys..this game didn't mean anything to them, and they all knew it.

Even Frank knew it..He put PG in the game at the end for experience instead of going with the obvious choice of Dun. He played around with the PG rotation. He sat Roy longer than he typically would have. (All things, quite frankly, he should be doing)

They wanted to get a win, but I don't think it mattered too much.

Unclebuck
04-12-2011, 04:16 AM
If you really watch the last 1:30 of that game what you'll see is the Pacers kinda took things for granted near the end. That behind-the-back dribble Collison tried, for example, was him trying something alittle different - showboating really - and he got caught trying to be too fancy and turned the ball over. Prior to that, Collison was just lazy with his pass. Hibbert errored in attempting the long outlet pass to Dunleavy that got picked off and the Bulls came back to score. It was just a series of misfortune by a team that presumed to have the game locked up and got alittle disjointed in the end. The Knicks, led by Melo, just got lucky the Pacers let up at the wrong time, turned the ball over not due to pressure defense but by their own carelessness and Melo got off a good, well defended last-second shot to win the game. Had less to do with the Knicks improved or "desperate" last second dig-in on the defensive end and more do to with the Pacers just playing too loose and carefree at the wrong time.


Not sure I saw it the same way you did, but even assuming you are 100% correct, isn't that even more concerning?

DaveP63
04-12-2011, 08:45 AM
Only if they don't learn from it...

Heisenberg
04-12-2011, 10:08 AM
Great offensive breakdown writeup (http://nbaplaybook.com/2011/04/12/round-1-preview-chicago-vs-indiana-offensive-breakdown) from the ESPN blog NBA Playbook. You should all check it out.

Mackey_Rose
04-12-2011, 10:51 AM
Great offensive breakdown writeup (http://nbaplaybook.com/2011/04/12/round-1-preview-chicago-vs-indiana-offensive-breakdown) from the ESPN blog NBA Playbook. You should all check it out.

That is very interesting. If you notice on each of the positive plays they have highlighted, it's Dunleavy and McRoberts playing off the ball, and one play with McRoberts slipping a screen for Granger. In every play, Josh is starting the action by setting an off-the-ball screen. That kind of play generally won't show up in a stat sheet, and usually will go unnoticed, but it helps the team.

Dun and Josh are the only guys we have who are effective without the ball in their hands, which is why I think it makes the most sense to go back to them in the starting lineup. It will give us more cohesion in the first group, and more scoring in the second group.

bellisimo
04-12-2011, 11:30 AM
anyone expects the TV networks to do lots of flashbacks to the Pacers Vs Bulls series from '97 with highlights of Uncle Reggie and Jordan going head to head while this series is being played? for some reason im expecting that...

BRushWithDeath
04-12-2011, 11:31 AM
Dun and Josh are the only guys we have who are effective without the ball in their hands, which is why I think it makes the most sense to go back to them in the starting lineup. It will give us more cohesion in the first group, and more scoring in the second group.

While it should be crystal clear to everyone that we are better with those two in the starting lineup, it's probably too late to make a change now.

Mackey_Rose
04-12-2011, 12:12 PM
While it should be crystal clear to everyone that we are better with those two in the starting lineup, it's probably too late to make a change now.

Why is it too late?

They have already played nearly half a season as a group. It isn't like they are going to need time to come together. If anything we've seen that the group currently starting, hasn't been able to come together in the time they've had.

If you make the change now, you can implement it for tomorrow night's game and use that last game to prepare for the Bulls.

I understand why they won't do it, and they won't, but I think it would give us the best chance of competing with a superior Chicago team.

That's our best lineup, and the bench group is one of our best as well. It makes sense for both groups.

Sookie
04-12-2011, 12:28 PM
Why is it too late?

They have already played nearly half a season as a group. It isn't like they are going to need time to come together. If anything we've seen that the group currently starting, hasn't been able to come together in the time they've had.

If you make the change now, you can implement it for tomorrow night's game and use that last game to prepare for the Bulls.

I understand why they won't do it, and they won't, but I think it would give us the best chance of competing with a superior Chicago team.

That's our best lineup, and the bench group is one of our best as well. It makes sense for both groups.

Because, the team is feeling good about themselves and on a pretty good roll. Despite what the statistics say..this lineup, as is..beat the Bulls, Celtics, Charlotte when it desperately needed to, and the Bucks to essentially eliminate them from the playoffs. They also didn't back into the playoffs, but rather won games. They are fine.

With a young team, more than anything, consistency is important.

Regardless, it doesn't matter who starts, but rather who finishes. And Vogel will make that call. And I for one, trust him to make the right call. Because for the most part, he's made the right call all season.

Two, something I think Frank needs to do quicker (although he does it decently well) is to make adjustments in the first period quicker, so we don't dig a hole..if it seems like we're digging a hole. Make the rotations a little more free flowing/quicker if need be.

And Third, selfishly..the Price, Dun, Rush, Josh, Roy/Foster (more fun with Roy) is just plain fun to watch with the ball movement/player movement..don't touch it. :laugh:

Heisenberg
04-12-2011, 02:46 PM
Defensive breakdown (http://nbaplaybook.com/2011/04/12/round-1-preview-chicago-vs-indiana-%C3%A2%C2%80%C2%93-defensive-breakdown) from the same place. I'm honestly pretty surprised we fair that well statistically, especially the way we've played defense under Vogel for the most part.

Mackey_Rose
04-12-2011, 03:57 PM
I want to give Sebastian Pruiti some props. Those are both really well done blog posts. Very interesting and fun to read.

This part is very troublesome, and is the basis (other than his blatantly low basketball IQ) of why I think point guard is far and away the team's biggest weakness, and will be even more so in this playoff series:


With the Chicago Bulls being the best isolation team on the offensive end of the court, the fact that the Pacers are one of the worst Isolation defenses (29th in terms of PPP) in the league is really going to hurt them this series, especially considering who is the worst isolation defender on the Pacers. That is Darren Collison, the teamís starting point guard. Collison allows 1.16 points per possession when the opponent isolations him, with any number over 1 being terrible, this number is especially terrible. It is hard to think of someone so quick as a poor one-on-one defender, but Collisonís size really hurts him. Look at how a player with the size of John Wall (whoís size and playing style is comparable to Rose) can easily bully him with the basketball:

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Sorry Sookie. Yes, I know he's in his 2nd year, but he's always going to be extremely undersized. Guys that are undersized need to have the intelligence or athleticism to be able to make up for this issue. DC has plenty of athleticism, but he lacks the intelligence.

joeyd
04-12-2011, 03:59 PM
The keys are to avoid Roy getting in foul trouble, and to get Boozer and/or Rose in foul trouble. I don't mind playing with the lineup. We have nothing to lose, so a go-for-broke attitude can't hurt much, but probably would lean toward more periodic substitutions. Why wait to bring in the Goon Squad? If we get down 12-4 after the first 5 minutes, make substitutions and bring the starters back 5 minutes later. Gotta throw the kitchen sink at these guys and give them something they haven't seen from previous games and scouting. But the foul issue is really key. Roy has to be assertive without fouling. Perimeter D has to be at an all time best as well.

ksuttonjr76
04-12-2011, 08:05 PM
According to those offensive/defensive breakdowns, we might want to entertain using a cross defense on D-Rose. Paul George/D.Jones/Rush can guard the point, while the Collison/Price guards the SG spot. Ironic enough, this was already mentioned. I didn't realize that we were the worst ISO team going against the best ISO team with one of the worst ISO defender going against one of the best ISO players.

docpaul
04-12-2011, 10:06 PM
Great offensive breakdown writeup (http://nbaplaybook.com/2011/04/12/round-1-preview-chicago-vs-indiana-offensive-breakdown) from the ESPN blog NBA Playbook. You should all check it out.

Pruitti is my favorite NBA blogger by a country mile... Anyone who doesn't read this series is missing out!

WhatCouldHaveBeen
04-12-2011, 10:24 PM
should we either let rose get his and shut everyone else down...Or should we throw everything @ rose and make ANYONE else beat us...I think i can live with luol deng or boozer beating us. Maybe do what the pistons did to T-mac in the orlando series. He beats one guy (PG) then we have another guy in front of him (Dahntay Jones) then another (Hibbert) etc...if he beats one have 1-2 guys waiting on him. I think a zone is going to have to be done to have a shot @ winning this series. Zone leaves shooters open...as long as we rotate to that boy korver i don't see the bulls other guys beating us and we all know that noah isn't going to be a force if we can keep him off the glass. Hibbert/Hansbrough should be able to get on the glass and do work. I like us in 7

Sookie
04-12-2011, 10:36 PM
According to those offensive/defensive breakdowns, we might want to entertain using a cross defense on D-Rose. Paul George/D.Jones/Rush can guard the point, while the Collison/Price guards the SG spot. Ironic enough, this was already mentioned. I didn't realize that we were the worst ISO team going against the best ISO team with one of the worst ISO defender going against one of the best ISO players.

If our plan is to slow down Rose, you can't use DC or AJ on him. They aren't able to cover him. Only great defensive players can.

I would use a combo of PG, Rush, and Dahntay on him. DC and AJ can cover the shooting guard.

If we are trying to just shut everyone else down, and make Rose beat us by himself, then let our points try and guard him.

jeffg-body
04-12-2011, 10:36 PM
Anyone watching the Knicks/Bulls game? Noah is looking pretty gimpy on that ankle still.

Granger Fo 3
04-12-2011, 10:49 PM
Anyone watching the Knicks/Bulls game? Noah is looking pretty gimpy on that ankle still.

Looked like he was ready to check back in a couple minutes from the end, but then they didn't bother when there was no stoppage

Jared Sullinger
04-12-2011, 10:52 PM
He's gonna be alright :censored:

KingGeorge
04-13-2011, 01:06 AM
Ronnie Brewer sprained his thumb tonight as well.

Constellations
04-13-2011, 02:05 AM
I believe Dahntay should be on Rose. D-Jones is our best defender.

CableKC
04-13-2011, 02:28 AM
I believe Dahntay should be on Rose. D-Jones is our best defender.
I remember when we played the Heat earlier in the season....in the last QTR....Lebron started guarding DC....and that really messed DC up real bad cuz he wasn't used to being actively guarded by a much bigger, stronger and quick Player like Lebron.

Is Inferno good at pressuring DRose when he's bringing the ball up and doing something similar?

daschysta
04-13-2011, 02:56 AM
I remember when we played the Heat earlier in the season....in the last QTR....Lebron started guarding DC....and that really messed DC up real bad cuz he wasn't used to being actively guarded by a much bigger, stronger and quick Player like Lebron.

Is Inferno good at pressuring DRose when he's bringing the ball up and doing something similar?

Unfortunately D jones is neither bigger, stronger nor quicker than D-Rose.

ilive4sports
04-13-2011, 03:01 AM
Unfortunately D jones is neither bigger, stronger nor quicker than D-Rose.

Which is why I would be very intrigued if we put PG on him

Constellations
04-13-2011, 03:01 AM
Unfortunately D jones is neither bigger, stronger nor quicker than D-Rose.

Uhh, I'm pretty sure he's bigger and stronger, but most definitely not quicker. But out of all of our defenders that has the best chance of locking him down, it's Dahntay.

daschysta
04-13-2011, 03:17 AM
Which is why I would be very intrigued if we put PG on him

George has been somewhat effective guarding chris paul in spurts, i'm just too worried about his fouls to ask him to check someone like rose.

I think he'd be more useful abusing the bulls weak shooting guard rotation. If he can stay in the game and be as dynamic on offense as we know he can be it would go a long way in helping our cause.

pathil275
04-13-2011, 05:32 AM
Have the Pacers played a 2-3 zone defense at all this year? Are they capable of it? In theory a decent choice against Rose and the Bulls-frontcourt.

I would try many different looks on Rose - D.Jones, Paul George, double-team.

yoadknux
04-13-2011, 10:29 AM
Here's a nice "preview" I found on Youtube, I didn't make it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7e8tW5_7SOA&feature=player_embedded

NuffSaid
04-13-2011, 11:29 AM
Not sure I saw it the same way you did, but even assuming you are 100% correct, isn't that even more concerning?
It's concerning ONLY if you view things from the perspective that they tried to run set plays and didn't execute them well. IMO, that wasn't the case down the stretch.

Now, where the concern should come into play is they got alittle careless and lazy. But as has been pointed out, this particular game was meaningless as far as the team's post-season standings are concerned; same can be said of tonight's game against Orlando (4/13/11). The only thing the Pacers need to focus on w/this and their last game is defense and execution. If they treat this game like it's practise and go with the mindset that they need to tweak a few things and have a few possessions where they show some improvement in those areas they need to work on, I think they'll be okay headed into the post-season whether they win this game or not.

It's kinda like what the Colts do in pre-season. They're not focused on winning; just seeing how well certain plays shake out and making the necessary adjustments. That's all the Pacers really need to do with this last game of the regular season whether they win or lose.

graphic-er
04-13-2011, 12:25 PM
I think this series will come down to Boozer vs Hansbrough. They play similiar games, and if Tyler can be the aggressor, then we stand a chance at pushing the bulls to the edge.

Day-V
04-13-2011, 01:07 PM
Not sure if anyone's posted this, but we now know the starting time of Game 1.

Saturday, 1 PM.


http://twitter.com/#!/NBAonESPN/status/58213419299508224

BPump33
04-13-2011, 01:15 PM
Greg (Indianapolis)

Chad, tell the nation the Pacers can hang with the Bulls and push the series to six or seven!

Chad Ford (1:14 PM)

Might be a stretch. Pacers have a super bright future. Lots of talented young players. A ton of cap flexibility. No bad contracts. A terrific front office. But ... they aren't ready to hang with the Bulls. I think Bulls in 5.

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/37862

ilive4sports
04-13-2011, 02:41 PM
Greg (Indianapolis)

Chad, tell the nation the Pacers can hang with the Bulls and push the series to six or seven!

Chad Ford (1:14 PM)

Might be a stretch. Pacers have a super bright future. Lots of talented young players. A ton of cap flexibility. No bad contracts. A terrific front office. But ... they aren't ready to hang with the Bulls. I think Bulls in 5.

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/37862

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croz24
04-14-2011, 04:16 AM
i think george needs to be our x-factor in this one and possible go-to guy early on. deng should be able to blanket granger, noah hibbert, and rose collison, leaving bogans on george as our most favorable matchup imo. george and hansbrough need to attack attack attack. getting bogans and boozer into foul trouble should open up huge opportunities for hibbert and granger to finally have some breathing room to score.

The Jackson shimmy
04-14-2011, 06:01 AM
I think this series will come down to Boozer vs Hansbrough. They play similiar games, and if Tyler can be the aggressor, then we stand a chance at pushing the bulls to the edge.

Agreed. He's got to create issues for Boozer, force Noah to help to at
least a small degree and then 'discover' the concept of interior passing
(with Hans, I'll believe that when I see it)

If all that happens, it might be an interesting series.

Constellations
04-14-2011, 06:10 AM
Tyler's transition from the regular season to the Tournament in his college days was like Night and Day comparison. So much more energy I will expect from him :)

Shade
04-14-2011, 11:29 AM
Ok, my official prediction is Bulls in 5. Pacers win Game 4.

BPump33
04-14-2011, 02:42 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/BDL-s-Playoff-Previews-with-the-Chicago-Bulls-a?urn=nba-wp1360

Speed
04-14-2011, 02:48 PM
Tyler's transition from the regular season to the Tournament in his college days was like Night and Day comparison. So much more energy I will expect from him :)

Absolutely, I think he'll show himself as the Pacers second best player when the lights shine a little brighter.

Trader Joe
04-14-2011, 02:51 PM
It will be interesting to see how those players on our roster that did make deep NCAA tourney runs in college respond. Guys like Rush, Hans, Price, Colison, and Hibbert have all played on bigger stages than the first round of the NBA playoffs.

Unclebuck
04-14-2011, 03:19 PM
It will be interesting to see how those players on our roster that did make deep NCAA tourney runs in college respond. Guys like Rush, Hans, Price, Colison, and Hibbert have all played on bigger stages than the first round of the NBA playoffs.


If they respond like they did in college then we are really in trouble, because after the first loss they will go on vacation

RWB
04-14-2011, 04:17 PM
Let me get this straight.....the Pacers rally is scheduled for Friday with all the festivities of handing out posters and get your face painted. Yet the games are to be played on Thursday and Saturday. Seems like an OOPS moment.

BillS
04-14-2011, 04:25 PM
I suspect Friday is just the day most people can get a little extra time. Most of the Pacers and Colts rallies have been on Fridays - for the NFL it's easier to get ahead of a game on Friday, obviously.

Even if we lose big Thursday we should still be excited about the playoffs, right?

Trader Joe
04-14-2011, 04:29 PM
If they respond like they did in college then we are really in trouble, because after the first loss they will go on vacation

I'm just saying playing in the final four is a bigger deal than playing in the first round of the NBA playoffs, heck it might be a bigger deal than playing in the NBA Finals. There's a reason they play the Final Four in football stadiums.

BringJackBack
04-14-2011, 04:31 PM
I CANNOT WAIT FOR THE PLAYOFFS!! ONLY 2 MORE DAYS!! :)

Unclebuck
04-14-2011, 04:35 PM
I'm just saying playing in the final four is a bigger deal than playing in the first round of the NBA playoffs, heck it might be a bigger deal than playing in the NBA Finals. There's a reason they play the Final Four in football stadiums.


I was half joking, but also making the point that it is just different. Sure the pressure and media exposure for a final 4 game is so much more than the game #1 of a playoff game at 1:00 Saturday in Chicago. But that doesn't mean the players will have any idea how to handle the intensity of the NBA playoffs. Without being more critical than I want to be, lets just say it is very different. The level of play is just different

Trader Joe
04-14-2011, 04:38 PM
Yes, the level of skill is different. The level of intensity is not.

Since86
04-14-2011, 04:40 PM
The level of play is different. The intensity, attention to detail, and atmosphere are all equal, or higher in the FF.

Shade
04-14-2011, 05:19 PM
The NBA Finals is, at best, the fourth most revered sporting event, behind the Super Bowl, NCAA Tournament, and World Series.

SMosley21
04-14-2011, 06:00 PM
This is the Bulls little playoff credo...

http://a3.twimg.com/profile_images/1310868859/SEE_RED_vert.jpg

Tyler Hansbrough doesn't need it to be the playoffs to see red. He sees the world covered in red and the Bulls will be no exception. Tyler is going to go all month-of-March on Chicago, just wait.

Mackey_Rose
04-14-2011, 06:15 PM
Anyone have suggestions for some derogatory anti-Bulls signs to take to the United Center on Saturday. I will be making the trip with BRushWithDeath and hope to cause as much of a scene as possible.

Trophy
04-14-2011, 06:24 PM
I'm looking forward to the center matchup a lot hoping Roy will man the paint well and not be scared of Noah.

DC needs to use his speed and stay with Rose, which isn't going to be contained.

I'm just hoping for a competitive series. I don't want to get blown out in losses.

ilive4sports
04-14-2011, 06:35 PM
Anyone have suggestions for some derogatory anti-Bulls signs to take to the United Center on Saturday. I will be making the trip with BRushWithDeath and hope to cause as much of a scene as possible.

**** CHICAGO...

bellisimo
04-14-2011, 06:35 PM
The NBA Finals is, at best, the fourth most revered sporting event, behind the Super Bowl, NCAA Tournament, and World Series.

in USA... :)

BringJackBack
04-14-2011, 06:44 PM
Or make a sign that says, "Bull ****"

:laugh:

BPump33
04-14-2011, 08:49 PM
Anyone have suggestions for some derogatory anti-Bulls signs to take to the United Center on Saturday. I will be making the trip with BRushWithDeath and hope to cause as much of a scene as possible.

I always just assumed you two were the same person using two different names. Kidding. :D

BPump33
04-14-2011, 08:53 PM
Anyone have suggestions for some derogatory anti-Bulls signs to take to the United Center on Saturday. I will be making the trip with BRushWithDeath and hope to cause as much of a scene as possible.

A poster that looks like a standardized test with Rose's name spelled wrong on it.

S-A-T with a picture of Rose. (Instead of M-V-P)

A picture of toilet paper, but instead of Charmin it says "Boozer." (At least I think he's soft).

NBA: Where 8 on 5 happens. (I just know that's coming.)

Not the greatest, but off the top off of my head.

neosmndrew
04-14-2011, 09:15 PM
A poster that looks like a standardized test with Rose's name spelled wrong on it.

S-A-T with a picture of Rose. (Instead of M-V-P)

A picture of toilet paper, but instead of Charmin it says "Boozer." (At least I think he's soft).

Not the greatest, but off the top off of my head.

NBA: Where 8 on 5 happens. (I just know that's coming.)

I'd like to have that S-A-T chant whenever Rose gets to the line during games 3 and 4.

Phree Refill
04-14-2011, 10:34 PM
Anyone have suggestions for some derogatory anti-Bulls signs to take to the United Center on Saturday. I will be making the trip with BRushWithDeath and hope to cause as much of a scene as possible.

Perhaps to easy and not deep enough but something about a slaughter house? taking the Bull to the market?

Jared Sullinger
04-14-2011, 10:43 PM
A few quotes from Bulls fans...


I'm glad you made this distinction. There are a ton of great western conference teams that didn't make the playoffs, who are all better than the Pacers.

Phoenix...Houston...Utah...

Even Golden State and perhaps even the Clippers are arguably better than Indiana. Hell, you could even make a case that eastern conference bubble teams like Milwaukee and Charlotte are better, but just had bad luck with injuries or weird trades down the stretch.

Indiana is maybe--MAYBE--the 20th or 21st best team in the NBA. In a league of 30 teams.


Quite frankly, if we don't sweep them the Bulls should consider this a failed series.


I agree. The quicker we can dispatch the only team that doesn't deserve to be in the playoffs (only team under .500) the quicker we can move into the 2nd rd.


Bleedy McShootington will probably put up 30 ppg this series. The dude makes the most random, toughest shots against us, plus he'll hit every open elbow jumper. I hope another Dukie busts his nose again.

But yeah, easy win. Honestly easy series. It'll probably be a sweep but it might go 5 games because we'll probably have a letdown for game 3.


A merciful and unapologetic sweep is in the cards here.

Indiana will not be back in the playoffs for years. Hope they take lots of pictures and enjoy the sights while they can.


There is no room in the playoffs for the Pacers. So let's make their stay in the playoffs short and unmemorable.


Back on topic, the Pacers shouldn't even be in the playoffs.. let's get this done early and get some rest.


Boozer's gonna knock Granger the **** out.


People who are going to Indiana should take some brooms with them, cause this series is not coming back to Chicago.

Trophy
04-14-2011, 10:47 PM
If that's the case, then the Bulls are a pretty overrated team, IMO.

Yeah we're not that great, but we're in the playoffs.

You can respect the Bulls team, but their fans are jerks. Seems to be the case with the fans of every good, super team.

This feels like the Reggie vs. Jordan days, but this is just a 1-8 series.

Ozwalt72
04-14-2011, 10:52 PM
If the Bulls were as overconfident as their fans, I'd be calling the upset.

BringJackBack
04-14-2011, 10:53 PM
Our board needs more SWAG like that.. Here I'll start:

-Joakim Noah is an ugly mother****er and he couldn't hold Roy's jock strap. Plus he looks like a master chief stoner. Roy is going to murder him.

-Keith Bogans is the worst shooting guard to EVER start for an NBA team. I'm not kidding, either..

-Carlos Boozer can't guard a chair.

-Derrick Rose makes Lance Stephenson look smart. Just kidding but how can he not pass his SAT? #Fail Just another one of Cal's goons..

-TT compared to Frank Vogel is like Rosie O'Donnell compared to Channing Tatum. Yea, I went there.

-Tyler and Josh are going to beat the **** out of Boozer and Taj Gibson's sorry self.

-Is it just me or does it always seem like Taj Gibson is going to cry? I wonder if the color yellow makes him sad..?

-Omar Asik still stings from when Josh dunked on him.

-Ronnie Brewer and Kyle Korver = Disappointments.. They thought that they really had the SG spot set and Keith Bogans is starting over both of them. :lol:

Ozwalt72
04-14-2011, 10:59 PM
-TT compared to Frank Vogel is like Rosie O'Donnell compared to Channing Tatum. Yea, I went there.



So, this means TT likes women and Frank likes men?

Anyway, I prefer the karma approach. Where we have a thread dedicating to verbally fellating the opposing team.

BringJackBack
04-14-2011, 11:01 PM
Wait, Rosie is a woman?

TT is so ugly, like Rosie, that he makes Vogel look like Channing Tatum. :laugh:

ksuttonjr76
04-14-2011, 11:15 PM
The more and more information that I read about our first round matchup, the more convinced that I become that our series will be interesting to watch. No one TRULY knows what the Pacers are capable of doing under VOGEL. We've played .500 basketball, and beat some descent teams. He completely revamped the rotations and offensive schemes. He brought a strong sense of confidence to our team.

http://www.nba.com/bucks/features/leroy_110212.html
http://basketballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=474

Interesting articles that I found. I was curious as to how many mid-season coaching changes were made, and then the new coach had a winning record after the fact. According to the stats, Vogel is REALLY having a positive outing and defeating expectations for a mid-season coaching change. We could have an upset over the Bulls.

Constellations
04-14-2011, 11:44 PM
Anyone have suggestions for some derogatory anti-Bulls signs to take to the United Center on Saturday. I will be making the trip with BRushWithDeath and hope to cause as much of a scene as possible.

1.Choke-im Noah
2.The S-A-T thing is great.
3.Joakim Noah with a tennis racket would be hilarious.
4.Carlos Boozer holding a baby bottle. (He's cries every time he shoots a shot or layup for a foul)

Ill think of some more.

Powww
04-14-2011, 11:53 PM
All I can think about is how infuriating it will be watching Rose get every single call and Pacers player after Pacers player getting in foul trouble. He will probably shoot 15 FT's a game.

I hope we can make it tough for them and maybe steal a game or 2. And our guys get a hunger for more playoff basketball. Give em hell Pacers.

NuffSaid
04-15-2011, 02:33 AM
As long as we're moving, cutting, screening and making quick, accurate passes we can get under the Bulls skins and beat them. It's also going to mean that coach Vogel will have to keep mixing things up. He'll have to recognize when the Bulls have figured out what offensive set he's using. Still, in a motion game I think the Pacers have the upper hand.

Depth and our ability to knock down the open shot will be key.

From today's IndyStar.com article, "Pacers wary of Bulls' defense (http://www.indystar.com/article/20110415/SPORTS04/104150337/1062/SPORTS04/Pacers-wary-Bulls-defense)" (4/15/11):


Vogel doesn't want his team to rush and take the first available shot because that plays into Chicago's hands.

"We don't want early bad shots in our offense," he said.

"We have become a great passing basketball team . . . and that's what we need to do to execute against Chicago."

The Pacers can't become stagnant, keeping the ball on one side of the court or having players stand around watching leading scorer Danny Granger dominate the possession. There has to be constant screening and cutting.

The Pacers also have to get some kind of low-post production out of Roy Hibbert so they're not easy to defend.

"We certainly don't want to take quick shots, we don't want to keep it on one side of the floor," Dunleavy said.

"That will enable us to get drives, open shots and offensive rebounds. Hopefully we have the maturity to do that."

I called it!

Clearly, they know what they have to do. The question remains, can they do it?

Unclebuck
04-15-2011, 03:46 AM
Yes, the level of skill is different. The level of intensity is not.


The players intensity is much higher in the NBA. These are men who spend all their time on basketball as their full time job. It is more serious, more "we'll do anything to win" than in college. And the level of preparation is not even close

yoadknux
04-15-2011, 03:59 AM
I don't understand how some of you think we have the frontcourt advantage. Noah is a better rebounder than Roy, and is overall more productive. Saying Josh/Gibson can handle each other is reasonable, but no way Tyler beats Boozer. Both are bad defenders but Boozer is just so much more consistent on offense.

bellisimo
04-15-2011, 06:56 AM
there is so much bulletin board material here for the Pacers if they need it...

http://espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=5-on-5-110415

Unclebuck
04-15-2011, 08:28 AM
In an effort to keep things to one thread, I will link several articles from Chicago Sun times, Chicago Tribune and Bulls.com here.

I am not posting any articles that are solely about the Bulls and not about the playoff series

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/ct-spt-0415-edge-bulls-pacershicago--20110414,0,2499170.story

chicagotribune.com

Bulls vs. Pacers: Who has the edge?

By K.C. Johnson (http://bio.tribune.com/K.C.Johnson), Tribune reporter
9:16 PM CDT, April 14, 2011

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Point guard

Darren Collison has had a nice sophomore season and is equally versatile in transition and penetrating the lane in half-court sets. He disappeared in the first game of the season series Dec. 13, getting benched for T.J. Ford. Derrick Rose, meanwhile, is poised to become the youngest most valuable player in league history. His binge in scoring 19 of the Bulls' final 20 points in regulation to force overtime in a furious rally on March 18 still probably has Pacers management watching game film.

Edge: Bulls.

Shooting guard

Paul George intrigued the Bulls during last June's draft with his athletic potential, and he has settled nicely into this starting role down the stretch. But he's a rookie. And whether fans want to beat up Keith Bogans or not, he has started in big playoff games and has come on strong to shoot 38 percent from 3-point range. Bogans' toughness sets a tone and should negate George.

Edge: Bulls.

Small forward

Danny Granger is capable of dropping a big number on any opponent. However, his strength of loitering near the 3-point line is one of the Bulls' many defensive strengths. They led the league in opponents' 3-point percentage. Luol Deng has completely smothered Granger, who missed one game of the season series to injury, limiting him to 36.7 percent shooting. And Deng still had enough energy for offense.

Edge: Bulls.

Power forward

Tyler Hansbrough is another second-year player whose role increased when the Pacers made their January coaching change. He burned the Bulls for 29 points and 12 rebounds in the Pacers' March 18 overtime victory at home. Carlos Boozer can be a liability defensively, but he demands a double team offensively and has averaged a robust 20.3 points and 12.5 rebounds in 44 career playoff games.

Edge: Bulls.

Center

Roy Hibbert started this season drawing some consideration for most improved player before fading. He's the type of center Joakim Noah typically thrives against because Noah can stay near the lane for basket protection and rebounding. Noah has slumped down the stretch coming back from injury but is showing signs of increased activity.

Edge: Bulls.

Bench

This has been a dominant area all season for the Bulls, who have the ability to extend leads with an active, aggressive full second unit. Plus, their big-man rotation goes five deep, allowing them to wear down teams if needed. The Pacers are one of the few teams as physical and adept at rebounding as the Bulls, and a healthy Mike Dunleavy has solidified their second unit.

Edge: Bulls.

Coaching

Technically, Tom Thibodeau and Frank Vogel both are first-year coaches. Vogel has done a nice job on an interim basis since taking over for the fired Jim O'Brien on Jan. 29 after a Bulls loss, guiding the Pacers to a 20-18 mark. However, Thibodeau has 22 years' experience as an assistant coach, has designed defensive game plans for two NBA Finals and is the leading candidate for coach of the year.

Edge: Bulls

K.C. Johnson (http://bio.tribune.com/K.C.Johnson)'s pick: Bulls in five.



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Unclebuck
04-15-2011, 08:29 AM
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Synergetic and energetic describes Bulls top to bottom

Chicago way started with organization teamwork in offseason and progressed steadily

David Haugh
In the Wake of the News
April 15, 2011

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One night last July, when Bulls general manager Gar Forman stayed late at the Berto Center as the phone wouldn't stop ringing, the ball started bouncing.

On the court below Forman's office, he saw new coach Tom Thibodeau beginning a rigorous workout of individual drills with center Joakim Noah. It was well past 8 on a weeknight. The Bulls were months away from starting training camp and several players away from filling their roster.

It was symbolic of where the Chicago Scenario that Bobcats owner Michael Jordan said he wants his team to duplicate truly began, in an empty practice gym filled to capacity with commitment.

The best thing about the Chicago Scenario is it includes no acting at all.

"In 13 years of doing this, I can tell you that's pretty rare for a head coach to do what Tom did,'' Forman recalled Thursday. "What struck me was he would work around the summer schedules of Joakim or other players to get them one-on-one. It didn't have to be, 'OK, be here at 10 a.m.' That laid the groundwork.''

Forman and boss John Paxson sensed the Bulls needed to hire someone more labor-intensive than laissez-faire, and after the Vinny Del Negro experience, they knew they had a core of players desperate to be coached. For anybody in the organization still wondering how Thibodeau would relate to players as a head coach after two decades as an assistant, those early impressions reinforced how good of a fit he was.

But finding the right coach worked for the Bulls only because they also found the right players — the right people — to surround Derrick Rose. The Bulls lost star power when Plan A free-agent targets LeBron James and Dwyane Wade signed with the Heat, but they gained a surplus in character in the seven players they added as part of Plan B.

Carlos Boozer got most of the attention and the money, but Kyle Korver, Ronnie Brewer, Kurt Thomas, Keith Bogans, et al., worried only about what Thibodeau wanted.

The Chicago Scenario involves everybody learning and accepting their roles.

"In a normal year, people would have looked at what we did in free agency and it would have jumped out,'' Forman said. "But because of everything else, there was no wow factor. We knew the type of guys we got made us better. I really didn't want to put a ceiling on what our team could become.''

It embarrasses Forman to hear respected NBA voices say he and Paxson deserve the NBA's executive of the year award. They earned the praise with smart payroll planning and shrewd player evaluation. But besides adding players, some of the best moves were ones they didn't make in the name of preserving chemistry: No Melo (Anthony), no (O.J.) Mayo.

No matter.

Where Forman begins and Paxson ends, in terms of decision-making, only they know. But it matters little when you're 62-20. Both men have worked together well enough, long enough, not to care who gets the credit. That's genuine.

"What's really satisfying to me is the type of team we have because it's a really enjoyable group of guys and the relationships you build with (Chairman Jerry Reinsdorf), Pax and Tom,'' Forman said.

A year after drawing unwanted attention for an uncomfortable working relationship with Del Negro, the Bulls resemble the picture of organizational harmony. Put another way, if anybody in the building is going to complain about communication with Thibodeau, it won't be for a lack of it.

"Tom's great to just kick things around with or even debate,'' Forman said. "He'll come in my office, and next thing you know, it has been three hours and we've covered every player in the league and college. That's fun.''

The Chicago Scenario offers more fun than drama in the front office.

This marked only the fifth time the Bulls have posted the top record in the NBA. Research from the public-relations staffs of Chicago's other pro teams shows the Blackhawks have accomplished the feat in the NHL three times, the Cubs have had the best record in Major League Baseball seven times, the White Sox have had MLB's best record three times and the Bears have had the NFL's best record 14 times — but only three since the NFL-AFL merger in 1970.

There will be a time the Bulls celebrate how rare this regular season was. But nobody's savoring anything now but a chance to meet a challenge they began attacking in July.

"What's the point of celebrating if you get knocked out of the playoffs?'' Rose said. "There's no point of doing good in the regular season if you lose in the first round of the playoffs. There's a big goal ahead of us.''

The Chicago Scenario demands you hold your applause until Rose is satisfied. And that might take a while.

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Unclebuck
04-15-2011, 08:34 AM
You don't have a preparation books like that for the final 4


http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/ct-spt-0415-bits-bulls-chicago--20110414,0,1572624.story

Brewer, Noah ready to go

Guard, center healthy enough to play usual roles in Game 1 vs. Pacers



By K.C. Johnson (http://bio.tribune.com/K.C.Johnson), Tribune reporter 6:23 p.m. CDT, April 14, 2011



<SCRIPT type=text/javascript> TUGS.setInitCount('{"rate_summary":{"total_score":20,"average":20,"total_count":1}}'); TUGS.tugsURL = "http://discussions.chicagotribune.com/"; TUGS.init_starRating(); </SCRIPT>After working on ballhandling and putting up his first shots since spraining his left thumb, Ronnie Brewer (http://www.pacersdigest.com/topic/sports/basketball/ronnie-brewer-PESPT000009850.topic) exhaled.

Bulls (http://www.pacersdigest.com/topic/sports/basketball/chicago-bulls-ORSPT000164.topic) fans can too.

"Come Game 1, you'll see me diving on the floor still," Brewer said. "I'll be getting in the passing lanes, working the baseline, doing the things I've done this entire year. Anything I can do to help this team, I'm willing to do it."

The Bulls held a film session, walkthrough and light individual workouts Thursday evening. And not only did Brewer get cleared medically to participate, coach Tom Thibodeau (http://www.pacersdigest.com/topic/sports/basketball/tom-thibodeau-PESPT00008864.topic) said Joakim Noah (http://www.pacersdigest.com/topic/sports/basketball/joakim-noah-PESPT008297.topic)'s sore left knee and right ankle are "fine." Both will play their normal rotational roles against the Pacers (http://www.pacersdigest.com/topic/sports/basketball/indiana-pacers-ORSPT000102.topic) on Saturday.


"It's a little sore, but you have to play through pain," Brewer said. "It's playoff basketball. I wasn't going to miss it for anything."

Noah clearly is tired of answering questions about his nagging aches. He finished the regular season with back-to-back active performances.

"I ran the floor and moved better," Noah said. "I'm still not where I want to be. I'm hoping when the playoffs start, the environment gets me going."

Added Thibodeau: "His energy has been extremely high. He was offensive rebounding, blocking shots, fronting the post, sprinting the floor. That's a good sign."

Cram session: Players joked about the thickness of the preparation book that Thibodeau handed out for the Pacers series.

"If you could see the playbook we had at the beginning of the year, it's the same thickness. And this is just for one team," Brewer said. "It's like college, all-your-classes thick. It was pretty funny when I saw it. But it made me excited about the preparation he has."

Layups: Barring anything unexpected occurring at Friday's practice, Brian Scalabrine (http://www.pacersdigest.com/topic/sports/brian-scalabrine-PESPT006523.topic), John Lucas III and Jannero Pargo will be the inactives for Saturday's Game 1. … Thibodeau earned his second straight Eastern Conference Coach of the Month Award for the Bulls going 8-0 in April. He also won the award in January and is the leading candidate to land Coach of the Year. … Thibodeau on Danny Granger's claim he'd rather face the Bulls than the Celtics (http://www.pacersdigest.com/topic/sports/basketball/boston-celtics-ORSPT000094.topic): "I don't concern myself with what Danny Granger is saying. That's his opinion, so that's fine. We're just getting ready for the Pacers."

Unclebuck
04-15-2011, 08:38 AM
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/basketball/bulls/4839399-579/pacers-bird-has-the-word-boys-vs.-men

Pacers’ Bird has the word: Boys vs. men (http://www.suntimes.com/sports/basketball/bulls/4839399-579/pacers-bird-has-the-word-boys-vs.-men)


BY LACY J. BANKS
lbanks@suntimes.com
Last Modified: Apr 15, 2011 02:17AM
INDIANAPOLIS — Hall of Fame forward Larry Bird, now the operations chief of the Indiana Pacers, really didn’t mean it the way he said it.

“We’re going to be playing against men,” Bird said after the Pacers’ practice on Thursday, when he was asked how he views the best-of-seven series between his eighth-seeded Pacers (37-45) and the top-seeded Bulls (62-20).

When asked if he was suggesting that his players are the boys in this matchup, Bird rephrased his statement.

“We’re going up against older, very talented and more experienced men,” Bird said. “Let’s say that. But we are a very young team, and this is going to be a great experience for my young guys. The Bulls have got probably the best player right now in the league, and they are also the hottest team going into the playoffs.”

When it comes to the NBA, Bird has some special insights. He, Magic Johnson and Michael Jordan are credited with doing the most to help the NBA turn the marketing corner in the 1980s and, with the guidance of commissioner David Stern, start enjoying global popularity and unprecedented financial success.

Bird, a 12-time All-Star, already was a superstar when he led the Celtics to back-to-back, 3-0 playoff sweeps over the Bulls in 1986 and 1987. Still, he paid Jordan one of his highest compliments after Jordan scored a playoff-record 63 points at the Boston Garden.

“I called him ‘God in disguise.’  ” Bird said with a grin. “He played one heck of a game. It was one of the greatest individual efforts I’ve ever seen.”

The next time Bird battled the Bulls in the playoffs was when he was the rookie coach of the Pacers in 1997-98, the season he also was named coach of the year. Reggie Miller was his star player, and Jordan was thought by many to be the best player ever. Jordan and Miller staged a thrilling duel in the Eastern Conference finals, and the Bulls had to fight hard — sometimes literally — to eliminate the Pacers in seven games.

“That was one heck of a series,” Bird said. “They had Michael, [Dennis] Rodman, Scottie [Pippen] defensively. It made our offensive players rather nervous. We spent a lot of time trying to run players away from them. But they still found a way to recover.”
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The Bulls went on to win their sixth and last championship that year.

This time, the Bulls are led by another guard — a smaller one in 6-3 Derrick Rose. Is Rose Bird’s NBA MVP?

“Well, I’m really a Kobe Bryant fan,” Bird said. “I also like LeBron James. And Dwight Howard is right up there with them. But you’re probably going to have to give it to Rose. They’ve been doing an excellent job. They made a coaching change, brought in some new players, their chemistry’s good, they’re winning, and Rose is their leader. So, obviously, you have to look at him.”
As for playing the Bulls in the playoffs, Birds said he still doesn’t believe his players really know what they are in for. This is Indiana’s first playoff series in five years.
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“They’re about to find out that this is a totally different experience,” Bird said. “The intensity is greater, there is more pressure and the fans are much more excited. In terms of more physical play, we’re going to have to be the instigators and not the retaliators. And that’s going to be hard to do with young guys.”

While Bird praises the Bulls’ talent, defense, chemistry and coaching, he might be most impressed with their court demeanor.
“They look like they’re really having fun,” Bird said. “When you have all those things going for you, good things are going to happen.”

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Unclebuck
04-15-2011, 08:39 AM
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/basketball/bulls/4840035-579/pacers-granger-just-telling-the-truth-about-bulls.html

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<HR>Pacers’ Granger ‘just telling the truth’ about Bulls (http://www.suntimes.com/sports/basketball/bulls/4840035-579/pacers-granger-just-telling-the-truth-about-bulls.html)


BY LACY J. BANKS
lbanks@suntimes.com

Last Modified: Apr 15, 2011 02:17AM
INDIANAPOLIS — Indiana Pacers star forward Danny Granger says he’s not backing down from his earlier quote, and adds that he isn’t worried about the Bulls posting it on the bulletin board.

Granger has said he would rather play the Bulls than the Boston Celtics because of the Celtics’ championships and weapons, and that the best way to beat the Bulls is to “make a concerted effort to stop Derrick Rose. They go as Derrick Rose goes.”
“I meant what I said and I’m not taking anything back because I was just telling the truth,” Granger said after Thursday’s practice. “I don’t believe in any of that bulletin board stuff, anyway. This is the NBA. You’ve got to come to play every game no matter what. You don’t need bulletin board material. Especially when you’re a team like ­Chicago.”

The 6-8 Granger, a six-year veteran and an All-Star, leads the Pacers with 20.5 points a game. He most likely will be matched against the Bulls’ 6-8 small forward Luol Deng.

Pacers point guard Darren Collison he feels no extra pressure on him to be the Rose stopper.

“I just consider it an honor to be playing against him,” Collison said. “I’m going to do my best to defend him and we’ll do so as a
team.”

Pacers operations chief Larry Bird knows how diffficult a shutdown can be.

“You don’t shut the great players down,” Bird said. “They might have a bad shooting night or get injured. But you don’t shut them down. Derrick will have an outstanding series. But they have a lot more firepower on this team. And if you spend a lot of ­energy trying to shut down one player, one of his teammates will step up to the plate.

“They’ll try to take Danny out, too. They’re try to make him put the ball on the floor more. But we’re not a top team. We didn’t win 37 games for nothing. We’re just a young team trying to get better and we’re just glad to be here.”
Interim coach Frank Vogel, 20-18 since he replaced Jim O’Brien, emphasized to “be sure you know where [Carlos] Boozer is at all times.”

But Vogel agrees that Rose bears special attention.

“His speed and his size are unparalleled,” Vogel said of Rose. “He’s definitely the fastest guy in the NBA. He’s Allen Iverson quick, Chauncey Billups strong and he can score from the perimeter. That combination is a killer. He’s got it all. So we’ll try different people on him.”

Unclebuck
04-15-2011, 08:41 AM
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/basketball/bulls/4840815-579/thibodeau-the-most-important-piece-of-bulls-success.html?print=true

Thibodeau the most important piece of Bulls’ success (http://www.suntimes.com/sports/basketball/bulls/4840815-579/thibodeau-the-most-important-piece-of-bulls-success.html)


By JOE COWLEY
jcowley@suntimes.com
Last Modified: Apr 15, 2011 02:17AM
If the Boston Celtics can’t defend their Eastern Conference title in the next six weeks, it won’t be because they traded center Kendrick Perkins.

It won’t be because a limping Shaquille O’Neal needs a Segway to get around.

It won’t be because of age.

All of the above will be contributors. But the downfall of the Celtics actually occurred last June 5, when they lost the biggest piece of their recent mini-dynasty.

The Bulls, who hired Tom Thibodeau as their coach, have been smiling ever since.

Thibodeau’s departure from Boston was inevitable. The Celtics knew they couldn’t hide the assistant coach much longer. Not when the evidence had moved past staring the rest of the NBA in the face and entered the slapping phase, leaving a red mark on cheeks from Kobe to ‘‘The King.’’

I mean, Thibodeau had Ray Allen playing defense. Say it again slowly: Ray Allen playing defense.

The Celtics expressed their concern about Thibodeau’s exit privately and publicly — from Kevin Garnett telling his inner circle that Thibodeau was all but irreplaceable to Glen ‘‘Big Baby’’ Davis saying in the Boston Globe, ‘‘I have no trouble following a guy who knows exactly where he’s going.’’

My, where he has gone.

Yes, Derrick Rose is the MVP of all things NBA these days, but the prodigy only showed flashes of dominance before Thibodeau was hired as the Bulls’ coach. That’s when Geppetto carved a valuable-looking piece of wood into life.

The same can be said of Luol Deng and the rest of the Bulls, who in less than one season have become the pre-eminent defensive force in the Eastern Conference, a title that used to be bestowed on the Celtics.

Why are the Bulls sitting with the crown of the No. 1 seed throughout the playoffs? Because Thibodeau taught them how to build the throne.

Back-to-back .500 seasons with high-effort playoff exits in the first round usually are given a golf clap in most towns, especially with a team that was as young as the Bulls. But the Windy City is not most towns when it comes to the NBA.

This is the land of Jordan. The bar is set at six, and the wait is going on 13 years.

While there was a void of talent throughout most of the Bulls’ recent down years, that changed overnight with the drafting of Rose out of Memphis. Credit the organization for realizing it needed a teacher such as Thibodeau to harness that talent.
‘‘He’s a teacher,’’ general manager Gar Forman insisted when Thibodeau was hired. ‘‘He’s a communicator. He’s got strong ideas on how he wants his teams to play. He’s got a base to who he is. He’s obviously prepared for a long time and is a solid basketball coach. But even his vision, how to work with players, how to work within an organization, how to build moving forward .  .  .

‘‘[Players] want to be put into a position to succeed. I think they want to know there’s a game plan as far as the team’s concerned and a plan as far as their development and them having success on the floor is concerned. I think when they see that, they respond to it.’’

How’s this for responding to it? The Bulls held the opposition to around 43 percent shooting from the field during the regular season, but Rose still was allowed to run an offense he could flourish in. Thibodeau had a plan of how to bring balance to Rose’s game, and it has been carried out to perfection.

As for the Celtics, if they get past the New York Knicks in the first round, then somehow take their talents to South Beach and beat the Miami Heat, there’s a good chance they might see their former assistant coach/defensive guru in the conference finals.
It must seem as though Celtics coach Doc Rivers can’t escape that idea.

On March 9, Rivers and several of his players had a chance to meet with President Barack Obama. The ‘‘First Fan’’ not only reminded Rivers that he ignored his call after the NBA Finals last June, but he also thanked him.

‘‘I’ve learned that if it’s the 202 area code, you should probably answer it,’’ Rivers told reporters of the meeting. ‘‘[The president] thanked us for Thibs. He actually thanked us for giving him our guy. He asked us, ‘How did you let him get away?’  ’’
The president definitely wasn’t the first to ask that. Come June, the Bulls are hoping he’s not the last, either.

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Unclebuck
04-15-2011, 08:44 AM
This is a better matchup article than the one in the Trib

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/basketball/bulls/4839284-579/bulls-pacers-how-they-match-up.html?print=true

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<HR>Bulls-Pacers: How they match up (http://www.suntimes.com/sports/basketball/bulls/4839284-579/bulls-pacers-how-they-match-up.html)


BY MARK POTASH
mpotash@suntimes.com

Last Modified: Apr 15, 2011 02:17AM
Indiana Pacers forward Danny Granger made headlines with his candor this week — he said he’d rather face the Bulls than the Celtics in the first round of the playoffs — and provided a perfect backdrop for the Bulls-Pacers series.

Granger is an All-Star caliber player, one of the best shooting forwards in the NBA. He’s the Pacers’ best player. And therein lies the biggest difference between the Bulls and the Pacers: Their best player is not a closer. The Bulls’ best player is one of the best closers in the game.

Though he’s a huge asset, Granger isn’t the go-to guy who carries you over the top in a close game.

In the Pacers’ lone victory over the Bulls on March 18, he scored zero points on 0-for-4 shooting in the fourth quarter before hitting a three-pointer in overtime.

In a 110-89 loss at the UC on Jan. 29, Granger scored four points on 0-for-1 shooting in the fourth quarter when the Bulls pulled away.

In a 96-89 loss at Conseco Fieldhouse on Jan. 11, he scored eight points on 4-for-6 shooting in the fourth quarter, but the Bulls were leading by 18 to start the quarter.

Granger nails big shots, but more often than not his biggest ones in tight games get you close with 5:30 to go. Or he disappears completely. Against the Knicks on Sunday, Granger scored three points in the fourth quarter as the Pacers blew an 11-point lead and lost 110-109.

The difference between the Bulls and the Pacers is that the Bulls’ version of Granger — Luol Deng — no longer is the team’s best player. When Deng was in that role — or sharing it with Ben Gordon and Kirk Hinrich — the Bulls were not much more than what the Pacers are today: a nuisance with potential. Once the Bulls drafted Derrick Rose, the dynamic changed.

Against the Bulls, the Pacers need someone to step up and make Granger a complementary player. If the Pacers intend to win, they better come at the Bulls with more than Granger. Otherwise, Rose will make the difference.

WHEN THE BULLS HAVE THE BALL

The Pacers, more than most teams, struggle to contain Derrick Rose without giving up too much. When they held Rose to 17 points, Carlos Boozer (left) had 22 points and 18 rebounds. When they held Boozer to 14 points, Rose had 29 and 10 rebounds. With Boozer in the lineup against the Pacers, the Bulls were 3-0 and shot 47, 46 and 48 percent from the field. Without Boozer, they shot 41 percent and lost in OT. The Bulls had 16 offensive rebounds vs. the Pacers in that game.


WHEN THE PACERS HAVE THE BALL
The Bulls have a head start defensively putting Luol Deng on leading scorer Danny Granger (20.5 ppg). Granger (right) scores in spurts but hasn’t been able to sustain anything against the Bulls, averaging 20 points per game but shooting 37 percent from the field. Tyler Hansbrough burned the Bulls for 29 points last month, when he averaged 23.4 points in a seven-game stretch. But he’s averaging 10.7 ppg over his last 10. Rose will have to defend Darren Collison, who had 17 points and eight assists when the Pacers won in OT last month.

THE BENCHES
The Bulls value their bench, but they might not have an advantage against the Pacers, who can turn the game into a taffy pull with Jeff Foster, perennial Bulls foil James Posey and Josh McRoberts. A.J. Price has been productive in place of Collison. If Ronnie Brewer (sprained thumb) can’t play, the Bulls would be missing a key defensive cog to their second unit. C.J. Watson might get more time with Rose, which could be productive. Kyle Korver had a season-high 16 points against Indiana on Jan. 29, but he is just 4-for-13 on three-pointers against the Pacers.

THE X-FACTOR
Pacers 7-foot center Roy Hibbert is averaging 16 points and 7.4 rebounds in his last seven games. In three losses to the Bulls, Hibbert scored 10 points on 4-for-20 shooting. In the Pacers’ 115-108 victory, the big guy scored 15 points on 5-for-9 shooting against Joakim Noah and Omer Asik. The Pacers have lost the last 10 games in which Hibbert has scored 11 points or fewer. Noah had 17 points on 7-for-8 shooting with three rebounds in that game.

THE COACHES
Bulls coach Tom Thibodeau is in his first season as a head coach but has plenty of playoff experience as an assistant, including trips to the Finals with the Celtics in 2008 and last season. Frank Vogel, 37, a former video coordinator for Rick Pitino with the Celtics, was an assistant to Jim O’Brien when O’Brien was fired in January. He has been an assistant coach in the NBA for eight years, including 35 playoff games.

FACTS AND FIGURES
The Bulls have won nine consecutive games, 21 of their last 23 and had the best record (62-20) in the NBA this season. . . . The Bulls were 26-14 (.650) against playoff teams this season; the Pacers were 13-29 (.310). . . . The Pacers went 20-18 after Vogel took over for O’Brien but finished 13-17 after a 7-1 start. . . . The Bulls outrebounded the Pacers 48-41 and 46-39 at the United Center; the Pacers outrebounded the Bulls 53-52 and 50-46 at Conseco Fieldhouse. . . . The Pacers were fifth in the NBA in free-throw percentage (.782); the Bulls were 26th (.743). . . . The Bulls were 36-5 at home; the Pacers were 13-28 on the road. The Bulls were better on the road (26-15) than the Pacers were at home (24-17) this season.
PREDICTION
Bulls in five games.

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Unclebuck
04-15-2011, 08:49 AM
One last one. This is mostly about the pacers. This one is good, so if you got bored readoing about the Bulls, read this one



http://blogs.bulls.com/2011/04/pacers-ready-for-bulls/

Pacers Ready for Bulls

by Sam Smith (http://blogs.bulls.com/author/sam-smith/)


Larry Bird has fixed things before, primarily basketball programs, like Indiana State, which he took from no one knowing where it was to the NCAA final game, like the Boston Celtics, who went from 29-53 to 61-21 in Bird’s rookie season, and the Indiana Pacers, who went from 39-43 to 58-24 in Bird’s first season as head coach.

But this was something different as Bird moved to president of basketball operations for the Indiana Pacers, who’d just endured the worst occurrence in NBA history with Ron Artest and Stephen Jackson going into the stands to beat up fans and a talented but troubled mix of players like Jamaal Tinsley, Shawne Williams and Jermaine O’Neal, who had to be moved out to create a new atmosphere.

And, by the way, make sure you win, also.

“It’s been tough and it’s still tough,” said Bird in a telephone interview from Indianapolis. “I’ve been very fortunate to be on great teams and to coach great teams. So now you have to go rebuild and do it now. You have to be patient, pick up some pieces along the way and hope they fit in.”

The Pacers are hardly a finished product. But they officially made the first step as they come to Chicago Saturday as the biggest playoff underdogs this season to open the 2011 NBA playoffs against the Bulls (http://www.nba.com/bulls/).

“Truthfully, I have no clue about what is going to happen,” said Bird. “They have no clue at all of what the playoffs are about. But it’s going to be a great experience for the young guys and I’m excited to see how (the players) handle it. I remember when Philly beat us in the Eastern finals (in Bird’s 1980 rookie season after the Celtics swept Houston, then in the East, in the conference semis). It was an eye opener. The way we got beat I said to myself I had to get better.”

No one expects the Pacers to beat the Bulls in the first round. Only three eighth seeds have won a series against No. 1: Denver over Seattle in 1994, the Knicks over Miami in 1999 and the Warriors over the Mavs in 2007. None, like the 37-45 Pacers, had a losing record. No Central Division champion ever has lost a first round series. The Bulls were 3-1 against the Pacers this season, and it’s been a rocky Pacers season with coach Jim O’Brien fired and replaced by assistant Frank Vogel.

But the Pacers are 20-18 since Vogel took over and won 10 of their last 17. They aren’t quite the same team the Bulls pulled away from in the first three wins. Vogel is 1-0 against the Bulls with that March overtime win when Derrick Rose (http://www.nba.com/playerfile/derrick_rose/) scored a career high 42 points.

They are a physical team, ranking among the league leaders in rebounding, blocks and defensive field goal percentage. They shoot free throws well, have a quick point guard and big center and are among the highest scoring teams. The Bulls outlasted them in their three wins, basically only pulling away in the fourth quarter of all three before losing the fourth meeting.

Vogel has altered the rotation to play the young players Bird has been putting in place and former coach O’Brien resisted playing. They play less of O’Brien’s motion game that limited Hibbert and more traditional pick and roll and NBA power sets. They’ve been more spirited and less selfish. And their top player, Danny Granger, has been bold in saying earlier this week the Pacers were better off playing a team like the Bulls with one star in Rose rather than a team like Boston with several.

Bird has no problem with that stuff as he was happily one of the classic trash talkers of his era as a player. Heck, the guy once got the gentle Julius Erving to punch him during a game when Bird was dominating Erving, having 42 points to Erving’s five and chiding, “42-5 Doc, 42-5.”

So Granger’s comments are kids’ stuff to Bird. But Bird also knows he has kids, and with kids you never know what they will do and how they will react.

“Our guys are so young,” says Bird, though hardly as an excuse but more with a sort of fatherly pride.“ (Darren) Collison, (rookie) Paul George, (Tyler) Hansbrough all are starting. It’s really like a first year for Hansbrough (out most of last season as a rookie). Roy’s (Hibbert) in just his third year. But I thought we had a better team (than projected). I thought we could get into the playoffs.”

It’s perhaps almost as much of a surprise as the Bulls with the NBA’s best record, especially with the likes of T.J. Ford, James Posey and Solomon Jones playing major minutes when the teams first met and Hansbrough and George none.

But if inexperienced, they bring enthusiasm and effort, and Hansbrough hurt the Bulls badly in that March Pacers win popping outside to shoot jumpers and outhustling the Bulls inside. He’s a relentless worker whom the Bulls were desperately trying for in the 2009 draft.

Actually, Bird’s philosophy of rebuilding hasn’t been all that different from the Bulls, though so far without the lottery luck the Bulls had and the big market potential draw.

“We’re probably never going to get the superstar to come here,” admitted Bird. “So we wanted to get a core group of guys and add, trade a piece, get a veteran. We know we have holes to fill. It depends on the young guys getting better. We’re giving them the opportunity to play. This year has been great for them. I do feel we have some talent. They’ve got to get better and we have to add pieces. We’re not that far away from having a nice team.”

Although Bird believes in work ethic and responsibility, he had a bigger job to do that most after a series of embarrassing off the court incidents of violence in addition to the Artest horror. Indianapolis is a conservative community, and fans became embarrassed about the players. That’s a worst case for a franchise, so finances fell as well. So as you hear around many teams, a “culture change” was required.


“Look at our drafts,” noted Bird. “We went for older guys, Hibbert, Hansbrough, four year guys. We wanted to bring in guys who fit the community, who worked hard, guys committed to the game, who love to play and practice, guys willing to sacrifice for one another. We know we can’t get LeBron and Bosh and those guys (in small market Indianapolis), but you get guys willing to put in the time and if you get enough of them you can win.”

The Pacers are doing that with depth as well as Bird said one of the keys to his best teams in Boston was bench depth.

“Even,” he said with a laugh, “if K.C. (Jones) didn’t want to play them. In this league you can win games with your bench.

“I’m not saying we’re a championship caliber team,” added Bird. “Some guys here I don’t want on my team. But we’re moving in the right direction.”

The Pacers also are one of the best positioned teams after this season with major contracts of Ford, Jeff Foster and Mike Dunleavy coming off. They’ll be more than $20 million under the current salary cap. It likely will keep Bird around as he seems to finally have gotten the Pacers in position to take those upward steps.

Bird doesn’t preach to the players much or give them the old war stories. He knows players, and he knows they need to find out themselves, just like he did.

“When I played I did not want people bothering me all the time,” Bird said. “If Red (Auerbach) had something to say, it usually was over in 10 seconds.

“NBA players think they know it all,” Bird said with a laugh. “They have a lot of pride. But the intensity of the playoffs is a different level. Teams study you, take away things. It will be interesting to see how guys adjust. This is what it’s all about.”

Mackey_Rose
04-15-2011, 09:00 AM
You don't have a preparation books like that for the final 4



If a local team is in it, you definitely do.

Sollozzo
04-15-2011, 09:00 AM
I'm really intrigued to see what Danny is going to do this series. I think all of the losing over the years has frustrated him and at times affected his play on the court. But now he's finally in the playoffs and has a chance to shine on the big stage. I'm expecting some scoring explosions from him this series.

No matter what happens, this will be a good learning experience for our guys.

Unclebuck
04-15-2011, 09:14 AM
If a local team is in it, you definitely do.


what do you mean a local team. Oh wait you are saying Butler does it. Regardless you are saying leading up to the final 4 teams have 400-500 page text book type preparation books. I find that hard to believe. But if Butler does have something even somewhat similar then maybe that is why the Bulldogs are so good in the tournament. I will say my sense is that Butler level of preparation is at a much higher level than most college teams

Major Cold
04-15-2011, 09:35 AM
I have got 11th row tickets for game 4, I hope it is 2-1.

I really do not want to see the Bulls' fans with their brooms.

Unclebuck
04-15-2011, 09:48 AM
I have got 11th row tickets for game 4, I hope it is 2-1.

I really do not want to see the Bulls' fans with their brooms.


I hope it is 3-0, but it is the pacers fans with the brooms

Ozwalt72
04-15-2011, 10:00 AM
Ya know, the Bulls book on us. 400 Pages or so? Yeah, that's huge but when you figure it probably contains hot and cold charts, in depth tendancies, and pictures and descriptions of what works for us and what other teams did that gave us trouble...it doesn't seem so excessive.

Add in the Bulls game plan, what they are going to try to do, and probably a dozen things I'm overlooked...I can see it.

I'd pay good money to get a hold of one of these though. Before or after the series, I don't care.

Unclebuck
04-15-2011, 10:02 AM
Ya know, the Bulls book on us. 400 Pages or so? Yeah, that's huge but when you figure it probably contains hot and cold charts, in depth tendancies, and pictures and descriptions of what works for us and what other teams did that gave us trouble...it doesn't seem so excessive.

Add in the Bulls game plan, what they are going to try to do, and probably a dozen things I'm overlooked...I can see it.

I'd pay good money to get a hold of one of these though. Before or after the series, I don't care.


Mailk Sealy was a good source back in the early 90's

Unclebuck
04-15-2011, 10:05 AM
does anyone know of a good Bulls fan forum. Seriously I mean something like ours

bellisimo
04-15-2011, 10:07 AM
“I’m not saying we’re a championship caliber team,” added Bird. “Some guys here I don’t want on my team. But we’re moving in the right direction.”

WOW - thats some blunt statement saying that there are people on this roster that he doesn't want...well its obvious who they are considering how they tried to get rid of TJ and B.Rush the past few times...but I wonder if anyone else has been irking Bird...

pacer4ever
04-15-2011, 10:08 AM
does anyone know of a good Bulls fan forum. Seriously I mean something like ours
http://www.chicitysports.com/forum/chicago-bulls-forum/12510-official-bulls-vs-pacers-1st-round-series-thread.html

just google chicago sports and tons come up

Unclebuck
04-15-2011, 10:14 AM
http://www.chicitysports.com/forum/chicago-bulls-forum/12510-official-bulls-vs-pacers-1st-round-series-thread.html

just google chicago sports and tons come up


OK, I'm not sure that is very good, I skimmed through and didn't find anything posted that I would say was analysis or even an attempt at analysis. Not very impressed. Sure I expect the Bulls fans to expect a sweep, but there isn't any substance that I could find

pacer4ever
04-15-2011, 10:16 AM
OK, I'm not sure that is very good, I skimmed through and didn't find anything posted that I would say was analysis or even an attempt at analysis. Not very impressed. Sure I expect the Bulls fans to expect a sweep, but there isn't any substance that I could find

Just google sports fourms in chicago there are tons. I just told you that one because it looked pretty good.

this one looks better http://sportstwo.com/forums/96-Chicago-Bulls

BPump33
04-15-2011, 10:19 AM
Just google sports fourms in chicago there are tons. I just told you that one because it looked pretty good.

Cubbies4ever, eh? :laugh:

pacer4ever
04-15-2011, 10:21 AM
Cubbies4ever, huh?

na i aint smart enoght to put a s on cubbies lol mine would be cubbie4ever I just read Bruce Levine

BPump33
04-15-2011, 10:24 AM
na i aint smart enoght to put a s on cubbies lol mine would be cubbie4ever

cubbies4ever
i just googled Cubs fourm. Im a part of a IN Pacer fourm but not a Bears or a Cubs one so I thought i would join.

Picture of Starlin Castro.....

178 posts in two weeks....

pacer4ever
04-15-2011, 10:27 AM
cubbies4ever
i just googled Cubs fourm. Im a part of a IN Pacer fourm but not a Bears or a Cubs one so I thought i would join.

Picture of Starlin Castro.....

178 posts in two weeks....

:citizenkane: that guy has good taste!

BPump33
04-15-2011, 11:02 AM
SI's Power Rankings

We are 16th out of 16th, which is to be expected with a below .500 record. Here is what they said about us:

Indiana Pacers (37-45)
The Pacers finished 23rd in offensive efficiency and now must try to score enough to win four out of seven against the NBA's most efficient defense in Chicago. Leading scorer Danny Granger hit half of his three-pointers and averaged 20 points against the Bulls but shot 36.7 percent overall and would logically be the focus of coach Tom Thibodeau's defensive schemes. Center Roy Hibbert (31 percent) and point guard Darren Collison (34.5 percent) likewise shot poorly. But power forward Tyler Hansbrough, who played in only two of the four matchups, made 16-of-28 (57.1 percent) and averaged 20.5 points. Hansbrough also has perhaps the most favorable offensive matchup going against Carlos Boozer, and, although he's making his NBA playoffs debut, he obviously had a lot of big-game experience at North Carolina. Even if Hansbrough can't duplicate his regular-season marks, his aggressive style will help set a tone for a team that is frequently too passive and needs to play with a bit of an edge to have any chance of competing with the Bulls.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/britt_robson/04/15/playoff.power.rankings/index.html#ixzz1JbWdPlMX

ksuttonjr76
04-15-2011, 12:24 PM
SI's Power Rankings

We are 16th out of 16th, which is to be expected with a below .500 record. Here is what they said about us:

Indiana Pacers (37-45)
The Pacers finished 23rd in offensive efficiency and now must try to score enough to win four out of seven against the NBA's most efficient defense in Chicago. Leading scorer Danny Granger hit half of his three-pointers and averaged 20 points against the Bulls but shot 36.7 percent overall and would logically be the focus of coach Tom Thibodeau's defensive schemes. Center Roy Hibbert (31 percent) and point guard Darren Collison (34.5 percent) likewise shot poorly. But power forward Tyler Hansbrough, who played in only two of the four matchups, made 16-of-28 (57.1 percent) and averaged 20.5 points. Hansbrough also has perhaps the most favorable offensive matchup going against Carlos Boozer, and, although he's making his NBA playoffs debut, he obviously had a lot of big-game experience at North Carolina. Even if Hansbrough can't duplicate his regular-season marks, his aggressive style will help set a tone for a team that is frequently too passive and needs to play with a bit of an edge to have any chance of competing with the Bulls.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/britt_robson/04/15/playoff.power.rankings/index.html#ixzz1JbWdPlMX

I'm getting so sick and tired of everyone basing our chances at winning on our overall record. Did everyone suddenly forget that we had a mid-season coaching change, and the previous THREE losses were with the previous coach?

dal9
04-15-2011, 02:14 PM
WOW - thats some blunt statement saying that there are people on this roster that he doesn't want...well its obvious who they are considering how they tried to get rid of TJ and B.Rush the past few times...but I wonder if anyone else has been irking Bird...

why would you (Bird) say this now? Its kinda like the Tenn AD saying before the NCAA tourney he is going to probably fire Bruce Pearl...they lost by like 40 in an 8-9 matchup...

dal9
04-15-2011, 02:15 PM
Question: Are playoff rosters set? Can you change the rosters between rounds? Or only if there is an injury?

Jose Slaughter
04-15-2011, 03:56 PM
I have a question too.

Would using McRoberts more at center be a better match-up against Noah?

BringJackBack
04-15-2011, 04:01 PM
If Josh was matched up against Joakim Noah, a whole lot of offensive rebounds would be given up.. Dude does not box out at all.

dal9
04-15-2011, 05:40 PM
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encore of this please sat...10 years ago!

edit/PS: how you going to put iversons short azz on reggie in the closing seconds?!

Unclebuck
04-15-2011, 08:10 PM
I'm getting so sick and tired of everyone basing our chances at winning on our overall record. Did everyone suddenly forget that we had a mid-season coaching change, and the previous THREE losses were with the previous coach?

While we were going 20-18 the Bulls were going 34-6

RushCCS
04-15-2011, 08:36 PM
OK, I'm not sure that is very good, I skimmed through and didn't find anything posted that I would say was analysis or even an attempt at analysis. Not very impressed. Sure I expect the Bulls fans to expect a sweep, but there isn't any substance that I could find

Ouch :(

Usually in-depth discussions don't evolve out of in-game threads on ChiCitySports. Most of the analysis takes place in the form of home page articles, podcasts, and other threads.

In game threads are usually just for chatter during the game and quick predictions. Hopefully one day our Bulls forum will evolve into a place with the stature of this joint. You have a great site here, good luck in the playoffs fellas. :dance:

RushCCS
04-15-2011, 08:39 PM
OK, I'm not sure that is very good, I skimmed through and didn't find anything posted that I would say was analysis or even an attempt at analysis. Not very impressed. Sure I expect the Bulls fans to expect a sweep, but there isn't any substance that I could find

Ouch :(

Usually in-depth discussions don't occur in the in-game threads on ChiCitySports. Most of the analysis takes place in the form of home page articles, podcasts, and other threads.

In game threads are usually just for chatter during the game and quick predictions. Hopefully one day our Bulls forum will evolve into a place with the stature of this joint. You have a great site here, good luck in the playoffs fellas.

:dance: I may pop my head in here during the series. I may have to direct a middle finger to the Colts forum, as I am still struggling to get over the Super Bowl in 06''.

Jared Sullinger
04-15-2011, 08:40 PM
While we were going 20-18 the Bulls were going 34-6

0-1 vs. Vogel-led Pacers. ;)

dgranger17
04-15-2011, 10:09 PM
Granger will hit the winning shot in either Game 1 or Game 2...

Also, in no less than 5 years Larry Bird will be considered a decision-making legend. Hard to believe, I know, because 90% of "fans" hated him 3 years ago. Let me misquote Chris Brown, Busta Rhymes, and Lil Wayne for a second... "Look at him now!" He said 3 years and guess what... BOOM goes the dynamite. And don't throw that Shawne Williams and James White draft out there either, because I'll put $100 on Larry didn't want it. Donniewalsh.org/washedupgminthetwentyfirstcentury/onlygoeswheretherescaproomandstillfindsawayto****u pbecauseheswashedup/didnthesignshawnewilliamsinnewyork?thoughtso

Larry Bird

Beat the Bulls

Heisenberg
04-16-2011, 10:00 AM
It's 10am. Hansbrough's been pacing his hotel room wearing holes in the carpet huffing and puffing with his insane eyes since at least 5.

Major Cold
04-16-2011, 10:15 AM
0-1 vs. Vogel-led Pacers. ;)
Hang your hat on that one game against a team minus two key players, in which Rose pushed us to overtime at HOME, and you will be disappointed.

I think today many of you will realize the difference between a otherwise atypical regular season game for the Pacers and the playoffs.

Sollozzo
04-16-2011, 10:18 AM
OK, I'm not sure that is very good, I skimmed through and didn't find anything posted that I would say was analysis or even an attempt at analysis. Not very impressed. Sure I expect the Bulls fans to expect a sweep, but there isn't any substance that I could find



There are very few NBA forums that match the quality of this one. I've yet to find a Celtics, Lakers, or Bulls forum that are as good as this...and these are premier franchises with huge fanbases.

It's neat that one of the best forums in the league is for the Pacers of all teams.

Heisenberg
04-16-2011, 10:19 AM
Does no one remember how AWFUL the officials were in the game we won? The Bulls didn't make the comeback, the refs did.

BlueNGold
04-16-2011, 11:33 AM
But-for the Lance upheaval, we'd probably be about 22-16...

ksuttonjr76
04-16-2011, 12:01 PM
Hang your hat on that one game against a team minus two key players, in which Rose pushed us to overtime at HOME, and you will be disappointed.

I think today many of you will realize the difference between a otherwise atypical regular season game for the Pacers and the playoffs.

Chicago can hang their hats on the three games when we had a terrible coach...with no Granger for 1 game and no Hansbrough for two.

Major Cold
04-16-2011, 12:11 PM
Chicago can hang their hats on the three games when we had a terrible coach...with no Granger for 1 game and no Hansbrough for two.


No they can hang hats on the 58 other wins as well. There is a reason why they are number 1. Bad coach or not, we are not as good as them. Can we catch them...maybe. But that does not mean we are a better team. If we want respect we have to earn it.

We are not much better than our record to have the "experts" to pick us for the upset.

Keeping it real. Cause if we get blown out, I know what will happen around here.

It is about the experience.

Shade
04-23-2011, 05:32 PM
Ok, my official prediction is Bulls in 5. Pacers win Game 4.

Methinks I nailed this one.

maragin
04-23-2011, 05:52 PM
Ok, my official prediction is Bulls in 5. Pacers win Game 4.


Methinks I nailed this one.

I hope you're wrong.