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DAVIDLOCKHART40
04-10-2011, 12:01 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nmndi2b-G5s


Anybody ever heard of him? he is 18 and has placed his name in the draft and should go in the first round.


Id love to have him for sure on the pacers.

DAVIDLOCKHART40
04-10-2011, 12:02 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2QFlV3Xn18&feature=related

DAVIDLOCKHART40
04-10-2011, 12:03 AM
he is 6'9" 240 lbs

DAVIDLOCKHART40
04-10-2011, 12:08 AM
nbadraft.net has him going 50th.. if he is there for oursecdon round pick i believe indiana should grab him.

ilive4sports
04-10-2011, 12:09 AM
he seems incredibly raw. I think there will be better options

DAVIDLOCKHART40
04-10-2011, 12:13 AM
he seems incredibly raw. I think there will be better options

i think he had a triple double tonight against the top u.s.a high school players.....I believe if he's there we should take him... he can jump and i mean jump. a great shot blocker, something we havent had in years....

Richard_Skull
04-10-2011, 12:14 AM
According to this : http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Bismack-Biyombo-5902/

He has a 7'7' wingspan and a 9'3' standing reach for someone that is 6'9 in shoes.

Seems tempting, 6'9 seems short for a PF/C, but does it matter with his long arms?

I'd definitely would roll dice if he is available in 2nd round.

Edit: He's also projected to go 18th from draft express.

DAVIDLOCKHART40
04-10-2011, 12:16 AM
he has a 7'7" wing span... I know he is raw but if he is there at 50th we should take him.

Heisenberg
04-10-2011, 12:17 AM
There's no chance of him getting to the second round, I wouldn't be surprised if he's not even there at 15 for us. He's getting a TON of hype this week, this is the first time the vast majority of NBA personnel's seen him.

DAVIDLOCKHART40
04-10-2011, 12:18 AM
According to this : http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Bismack-Biyombo-5902/

He has a 7'7' wingspan and a 9'3' standing reach for someone that is 6'9 in shoes.

Seems tempting, 6'9 seems short for a PF/C, but does it matter with his long arms?

I'd definitely would roll dice if he is available in 2nd round.

Edit: He's also projected to go 18th from draft express.

i agree with you.. no way indiana should let a player with such talent go by... he could be a great shotblocker..... 6'9" isn't really bad height either...

AesopRockOn
04-10-2011, 12:25 AM
Well, his name should make for four or five funny comments...and several hundred terrible ones.

Heisenberg
04-10-2011, 12:25 AM
It's also not outside the realm of possibility that he still has an inch or two to grow, he IS 18.

KingGeorge
04-10-2011, 12:26 AM
Just from a first glance, he kind of reminds me of Hasheem Thabeet.

DAVIDLOCKHART40
04-10-2011, 12:28 AM
It's also not outside the realm of possibility that he still has an inch or two to grow, he IS 18.

you're right, i didnt think of that situation. He could be better then dale davis for sure. Im eager to see if he is there for us in the 2nd. But, like they said, and you, he is looking to go in the 1st round.

Heisenberg
04-10-2011, 12:29 AM
Here's an article on him; http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fc/news/lateNews/p/newsid/45604/arti.html

He's 18 and putting up 6/5/2.3 in just 15 minutes a night in Spain's highest league, which is a VERY good league, probably the best outside of the NBA. That's pretty impressive.

DAVIDLOCKHART40
04-10-2011, 12:34 AM
Here's an article on him; http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fc/news/lateNews/p/newsid/45604/arti.html

He's 18 and putting up 6/5/2.3 in just 15 minutes a night in Spain's highest league, which is a VERY good league, probably the best outside of the NBA. That's pretty impressive.

nbadraft.net has indiana drafting tristan Thompson 6'9" 225 if we go this position there is no way im drafting tristan over this kid from congo,

DAVIDLOCKHART40
04-10-2011, 12:38 AM
http://videos.oregonlive.com/oregonlive/2011/04/bismack_biyombo_is_a_rising_st.html

DAVIDLOCKHART40
04-10-2011, 12:41 AM
http://videos.oregonlive.com/oregonlive/2011/04/bismack_biyombo_is_a_rising_st.html

Are you looking forward to enter in the NBA draft? Bismack Biyombo: When the right moment comes, yes. I look forward for it. Do you think your place is in the NBA as a player? BB: A lot of players go to the NBA just for going, and they stay at the bench too much time. I don't want to go to the NBA for this game. I want to arrive and to play, not to arrive to be at the bench the first year, and in the second one go out and play 10-15 minutes.


he has a great attitude... he wants to play.

rel
04-10-2011, 01:06 AM
not gonna lie, never heard of him til just now but he looks pretty impressive. Even if he was available @ our pick, dunno how much the front office would be willing to take someone that young to add to our already super young crew, but i'd be interested in overlooking that if he continues to look good at the combine

Kemo
04-10-2011, 01:16 AM
damn that dudes arms are incredibly long..

Richard_Skull
04-10-2011, 01:17 AM
Also, what his contract like over in Spain? And is coming over next year or is he going to be like some of the foreign players and take a couple of years? Anyone know?

imbtyler
04-10-2011, 01:35 AM
As one who hyped up fellow Congolese, Serge Ibaka, wayyy before he was drafted in 2008, I'm watching this guy and am impressed. However, he's nothing comparable to Sergeballu, who had a skyrocket vertical and incredible work ethic. From the videos and articles, Biyombo looks and sounds like he has the potential to be great, especially defensively, but I don't know if we should take any high-pick* risks on him.

* high-pick meaning first round.

Yes, he does work for every play, jumps as high as he can for the simplest of defensive rebounds and blocks, and shows hustle like he's in perpetual playoff mode. But I don't want Ibaka to start some kind of Congolese Darko Milicic Revolution, where every athletic foreign player of similar nationality has the same potential or abilities. This guy looks good both on paper and in an international league. But even with the best of coaching staffs (ahem), I really don't think he'll be anything worth risking a first pick over.

Of course, I'd love to be proven wrong if we do pick him up. I don't like being right when we end up drafting someone I previously said wasn't worth it (coughbrandonrushcough)**.

** personal opinion only.

imbtyler
04-10-2011, 01:37 AM
I WOULD like to note, however, that his attitude is great.

Watch at 1:30 of this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2QFlV3Xn18) as he blocks offender's shot, and appears to be complimented by the same offender after the play. International ball, man. It's a lot different.

IndySDExport
04-10-2011, 01:39 AM
This is a fun thread. I think we should have more stuff like this on the digest.
I learn and enjoy.

imbtyler
04-10-2011, 01:45 AM
This is a fun thread. I think we should have more stuff like this on the digest.
I learn and enjoy.

You mean projected prospect scouting, or anything not concerning Lance Stephenson's shenanigans?

IndySDExport
04-10-2011, 01:47 AM
You mean projected prospect scouting, or anything not concerning Lance Stephenson's shenanigans?

I mean threads about basketball. Real basketball with very little bickering and argument. Just discussing basketball.

Brad8888
04-10-2011, 01:54 AM
Looks like he has good hands and is beefy for 6' 9".

Kstat
04-10-2011, 07:27 AM
12 points, 11 rebounds and 10 blocks last night, playing against the best teenage players on earth.

I'm convinced. This kid is a 1st round prospect

DAVIDLOCKHART40
04-10-2011, 10:13 AM
The most intriguing long-term NBA prospects on the international team are 1992-born front-court players: 6'9” Bismack Biyombo from the Congo (currently playing for Fuenlabrada in Spain), and 7'0” center Lucas Nogueira from Brazil. Both players have some limitations on the offensive end, but also possess some freakish physical tools that were on display during every practice session thus far.

Biyombo stands out immediately when he walks into the gym. He sports a chiseled frame (measured 4.8 % body fat) with broad shoulders and an incredible 7'7” wingspan, and as we saw during some of the brief 5 on 5 sessions, he has an outstanding motor, which makes him a terror on the glass and on the defensive end. He also looks to be a very mature player with a great attitude, often seen encouraging teammates, talking with the coaching staff, and helping others with instructions. The experience he's garnered seeing heavy minutes in the top league in the world outside the NBA—the Spanish ACB--over the past few months was very evident

PacerPenguins
04-10-2011, 10:19 AM
well we have the 15th more than likely so if we could get this kid that would be awesome.....plus he's only 18

pacers74
04-10-2011, 10:59 AM
I won't be mad if we draft him, but he probably won't come in and have a huge impact next year. He looks like he could be a starter in a few years, and a great defender.

I would still rather trade our pick for a proven player who can come in and help us next year. OJ Mayo?

BringJackBack
04-10-2011, 11:05 AM
There's no doubt that this guy is a project, but potentially this could be a picture perfect pairing for Roy. Elite athleticism, shotblocking, bulk, strength, hopping, offensive touch, and defense. He looks like a more athletic DeJuan Blair when he's playing, but obviously he's not at his level yet. 2.1 BPG in limited minutes is absurd in a good way.

I don't know why, but I have a hunch that this is the guy what we may be going for in the draft if we don't end up trading the pick.

Evan_The_Dude
04-10-2011, 12:07 PM
If Bird is still here draft time, then forget about it. He already said we'll look to trade our pick. We need more experience, not rookies.

pianoman
04-10-2011, 03:03 PM
I'm almost convinced that this is the guy we need to go after. I think he would fit PERFECTLY next to Roy. This guy prides himself on Defense, and he's very mature for his age. I'm on the Biyombo train!

MaHa3000
04-10-2011, 04:35 PM
His 7'7" wingspan is very impressive. By the time draft rolls around this guy may move up into the lottery.

I wouldn't mind if we took a chance on him. If he is there.

DAVIDLOCKHART40
04-10-2011, 04:36 PM
I emailed them and asked my email be sent to management about this guy. I hope to hear back from them.

Indiana needs this guy's toughness inside, a rebounder and shotblocker and can run the floor with ease. Also he has nice hands also. so improving in fg% wont be hard in my opinion. I am wanting indiana to draft this guy and i am making sure they know it lol. This guy can absolutely block shots and rebound.

Jared Sullinger
04-10-2011, 05:34 PM
I doubt he's still there at #15. Too much potential; too weak of a draft. I say he goes to-10.

Bismack and Stanko on the same team would be neat-o.

Kstat
04-10-2011, 05:53 PM
I emailed them and asked my email be sent to management about this guy.

:lmao:

Robertmto
04-10-2011, 06:18 PM
asked a buddy of mine about this guy (played in the same league as him last season) he basically said he was big, hustles and hes dumb. im gonna guess that means hes raw

ilive4sports
04-10-2011, 06:54 PM
asked a buddy of mine about this guy (played in the same league as him last season) he basically said he was big, hustles and hes dumb. im gonna guess that means hes raw

Pretty much what I've been reading about him. I just think he is going to be a huge project that most likely won't pan out. Just because you have size doesn't mean you are going to be good.

Kstat
04-11-2011, 05:11 AM
I think Dumars might take him 7th. I really do.

mattie
04-11-2011, 05:23 AM
Wow, I'd take him in a hearbeat. What a perfect fit. That would be excellent. In fact, I'd trade up in the draft to ensure we do get him. I'm sold. DnD.

mattie
04-11-2011, 05:46 AM
DC, Paul, Granger, Biyombo and Roy, with 20 million in capspace to boot? That would be retarded. We could sit on our money and wait for a legit stud to sign, while watching in 2 short years this team turn into one of the top 5 teams in the east.

Not too mention how this would suddenly change our ability to trade if need be, for more talent. Cap space, a winning record, could help us trade certain players if that was what needed to be done.

Edit- I admit I'm probably overreacting, but I know that defense is needed. I know we need an Ibaka, and not a David West. It's just so rare to actually ever find big men that only want to rebound and defend the rim. It is so incredibly valuable. Every great team has it. The Lakers. OKC. The Celtics did- (and now they don't, and look how well they're doing), the Mavericks, and the Spurs. I want that type of player so badly for this team, and if we had the chance to draft one versus wasting cap space on someone who really can't ever provide any of that? That would be phenomenal. We'd be the new OKC. The team with all the young talent in the right place for a complete team. OKC is already ready to contend for a title. But if we were able to get this guy? We'd be so close to making a title run. Or at the very least, have the ability and the leverage to make the moves in order to make that title run happen. And yes, I am completely talking myself into this.

Shade
04-11-2011, 07:40 AM
Looks pretty good for an 18 YO.

Trophy
04-11-2011, 07:49 AM
I've actually looked up some things about this kid and I'm seeing the same things that came up about Serge Ibaka.

I'd be happy to grab him with 15th pick and more than happy with a second round pick.

He's gonna need a little work to grow into his game and won't produce until maybe his 3rd season or even if he signs until he's a year or so older like Ibaka, but he looks like he can be a solid defensive big who gives it his all and won't let opposing players have it easy.

With Tyler backing him up in the future, that's solid.

owl
04-11-2011, 09:30 AM
I am of the belief if you see a player you really believe is going to put you over the top but in the short and long term you do what you have to to get that player. So, if the TPTB think Bismack is that guy you take the risk. Obviously Bird is willing to take risk on
immature talented players, how about taking risk on a young, but extremely talented
player like Biyombo.

BRushWithDeath
04-11-2011, 09:55 AM
Looks pretty good for an 18 YO.

Probably because he's quite a bit older than 18.

It also doesn't matter.

If he's thought he could be a starting PF, you take him at 15 no questions asked. If it is thought that he'll need to be a backup for awhile, you don't.

It's the same as it was when Hansbrough was taken. We drafted a backup PF when we already had a cheaper one.

You only take a PF if you are sure he's a starter. Otherwise we're no better than we are now.

bulldog
04-11-2011, 10:08 AM
Here's an article on him; http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fc/news/lateNews/p/newsid/45604/arti.html

He's 18 and putting up 6/5/2.3 in just 15 minutes a night in Spain's highest league, which is a VERY good league, probably the best outside of the NBA. That's pretty impressive.

Yup, that's the thing you have to remember before comparing him to some of the most famous international busts. This guy is getting minutes for a Spanish playoff team at age 18. The level of play is about the same or higher than the NCAA, and it's even tougher to up go against real men every night as an 18 year old.

Hollinger projected him as a lottery pick after a breakout performance at one of the camps this week.

Heisenberg
04-11-2011, 10:24 AM
SI's Ian Thomsen (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/ian_thomsen/04/10/nike.hoop.summit/)


The NBA evaluators spent the week guessing at Biyombo's age as they attended the World Team's practices. A half-dozen NBA scouts and executives told me they believed Biyombo was older than his listed age of 18, based not only on his mature body but also his leadership skills, as he led the Internationals through their pre-practice stretches and was their most vocal and energetic player. Questions of his age won't necessarily damage his stock in the draft, as his maturity will be viewed as strength. He is forecasted as a first-round pick with a chance to sneak into the lottery.

When I asked him Thursday how long he had been playing basketball, he postponed the discussion. "I can say that at this time I prefer to focus on the Nike week,'' he said with a grin. "So I will be around here after the game and I'll let people know everything they want to know, and people will question me everything they want to question and I give the answer.''
Bit...peculiar.

15th parallel
04-11-2011, 12:45 PM
Looking at his videos, he looks more of an undersized center than a PF. But that's a good thing, since what the Pacers need right now is another guy who can play PF/C to replace Foster in the near future.

I see some Howard potential there. Young and athletic, already has an NBA body, plus long arms to grab rebounds and block shots. He's raw, but with strong dedication and good program for him he can really become an elite defender. Hopefully he'll be available when the Pacers are going to pick, and if he's in, hope the FO will find a way to get a big man coach to develop his game.

CableKC
04-11-2011, 01:57 PM
I think Dumars might take him 7th. I really do.
I'm not sure if that is a "vote of confidence" coming from you to Dumars or not....

CableKC
04-11-2011, 02:05 PM
He's up to #8 in DraftExpress Mock Draft now.

DAVIDLOCKHART40
04-11-2011, 02:28 PM
asked a buddy of mine about this guy (played in the same league as him last season) he basically said he was big, hustles and hes dumb. im gonna guess that means hes raw

im sure it's raw cause he sure isnt dumb.

A half-dozen NBA scouts and executives told me they believed Biyombo was older than his listed age of 18, based not only on his mature body but also his leadership skills, as he led the Internationals through their pre-practice stretches and was their most vocal and energetic player. Questions of his age won't necessarily damage his stock in the draft, as his maturity will be viewed as strength. He is forecasted as a first-round pick with a chance to sneak into the lottery. SI.com

DAVIDLOCKHART40
04-11-2011, 02:35 PM
Pretty much what I've been reading about him. I just think he is going to be a huge project that most likely won't pan out. Just because you have size doesn't mean you are going to be good.

he not only has size, but did you watch him against the most talented high school players the other ngiht? the davis guy going to ky is going to be number 1 pick in 2012 and he held is own against all those.... he not only has size but he can play. I seen him shoot two free throws and make them with ease. he's got it...

I also thought alot of basketball exspecially the nba it's about building for the future also. this guy has the talent there is to many scouts with high praise for him. he will certainly make an NBA player..


Bismack Biyombo (12 pt, 11 reb, 10 blk)

The undeniable star of the show, Biyombo was literally a man among boys relative to the U.S. Team. There has been a ton of buzz about him the past week in NBA Draft circles, and he lived up to it by having the first triple-double in Nike Hoop Summit history. He’s only 6’9”, but has a freakish 7’7” wingspan to supplement his already muscular frame and explosive athleticism.

He is a physical banger in the post who absolutely overwhelmed the U.S. post players around the basket and was a physical mismatch, even against Davis and Christmas. He does an excellent job positioning himself in the post and his motor is going throughout the entire game.

With the amount of shots he turns away on defense, you don't want to say they were "blocked," but rather "Bismacked!" Still an incredibly raw talent with almost zero post game, and was clearly very uncomfortable putting the ball on the floor.

Biyombo was asked after the game if he was leaning toward declaring for the 2011 NBA Draft and said it was something he and his agent would talk about. After his performance tonight, it’s hard to see him not declare, as he should be a late lottery to mid-first rounder carrying this momentum into it.

Biyombo has been compared to Serge Ibaka (who I also saw play in this same event in 2008) in terms of style and physical makeup, but Ibaka did not make nearly the splash that Biyombo did this year



With Bismarck Biyombo having an impressive (and impressive measurements. 7-7 wingspan!) Nike Hoops Summit week. How high could he potentially go if he enters the draft? He's the HOT name among NBA scouts and execs right now. When we first wrote about him in early March, the thought was that NBA teams would be looking at him for next year. At the time only a handful of scouts have seen him. But over the last month, as more scouts went to see him play, he's been rising on their boards. Now that he's at the Hoop Summit, measured bigger than expected and has been dominating in practices ... he's a legit prospect this year. Think the next Serge Ibaka. ESPN.com

Trophy
04-11-2011, 02:55 PM
Now it seems like Biyombo or nothing for me with this pick.

If he's there at 15, I'll take him, but if he's taken before we select, then try and trade the pick or draft for another team then trade the rights.

Kstat
04-11-2011, 04:13 PM
I'm not sure if that is a "vote of confidence" coming from you to Dumars or not....

Neither am I.

Really, this kid has only been playing basketball for 4 years. Nobody knows exactly what his future holds.

But looking at him from Joe's perspective, he's the ideal heir to Ben Wallace as the team's resident enforcer, and no GM in the NBA loves wingspan more than Joe.

BringJackBack
04-11-2011, 05:43 PM
2-3 years down the line, Bismack/Monroe could potentially be a hell of a frontcourt. Not going to lie. Insanely active on the boards.

Heisenberg
04-11-2011, 05:56 PM
Perry Jones is staying in school. Reports are that Harrison Barnes will too. This kid's gonna wind up in the top 5 of this craptastic draft, watch.

travmil
04-11-2011, 08:07 PM
So far I've only seen one person mention the best aspect of his game that I saw on the video. His hands are fan-friggin-tastic. I went looking for more vids of him and every one of them shows this. He catches EVERY pass that makes it into his zip code no matter how crappy it is.

Robertmto
04-12-2011, 12:46 AM
im sure it's raw cause he sure isnt dumb.

A half-dozen NBA scouts and executives told me they believed Biyombo was older than his listed age of 18, based not only on his mature body but also his leadership skills, as he led the Internationals through their pre-practice stretches and was their most vocal and energetic player. Questions of his age won't necessarily damage his stock in the draft, as his maturity will be viewed as strength. He is forecasted as a first-round pick with a chance to sneak into the lottery. SI.com

i'd listen to sum1 who has PLAYED AGAINST HIM over ur opinion...

DAVIDLOCKHART40
04-12-2011, 02:11 PM
i'd listen to sum1 who has PLAYED AGAINST HIM over ur opinion...

i knew there would be this kind of remark sooner or later.... dont be cruel man we just talking hoops... im just posting from SI and other people who have seen him play. can you find me one article where a player says he is dumb? If not then just go away.

DAVIDLOCKHART40
04-12-2011, 02:15 PM
i'd listen to sum1 who has PLAYED AGAINST HIM over ur opinion...

and i have a friend,daddy,cousin who played against him dont count... seriously you dislike him and you know it.. But, he is going to be an hell of a player..if he is dumb with what i seen in him, then id still draft him being dumb.

you would listen to someone that played against him? well who is you're friend? maybe we would like to draft him. or is maybe you're friend just got schooled and he said yeah man he dumb. So friend, tell us who you're friend is? Id like to see his stats,ect. Im just going by basketball scouts,ect, thats all im doing to come to the conclusion i have made. Ans surely they know talent.

CableKC
04-12-2011, 02:26 PM
Neither am I.

Really, this kid has only been playing basketball for 4 years. Nobody knows exactly what his future holds.

But looking at him from Joe's perspective, he's the ideal heir to Ben Wallace as the team's resident enforcer, and no GM in the NBA loves wingspan more than Joe.
If this kid is 18 and has been playing for 4 years...there is no way that he's 18 years old. It probably won't matter much...but his age is probably is in as much question as Dikembe's age when he was in the league.

ballism
04-12-2011, 03:17 PM
If this kid is 18 and has been playing for 4 years...there is no way that he's 18 years old. It probably won't matter much...but his age is probably is in as much question as Dikembe's age when he was in the league.

That's science fiction.
Those 4 years include everything - youth leagues in Africa, Spain, etc. Think HS career.
He's been in ACB (Spanish league) for only a couple months. His real pro experience is very minimal in comparison with other 18 year olds from European leagues in recent years. Rubio, Valanciunas, etc.

I wouldn't build any huge conclusions for or against Biyombo based on his pro experience.

ballism
04-12-2011, 03:43 PM
Yup, that's the thing you have to remember before comparing him to some of the most famous international busts. This guy is getting minutes for a Spanish playoff team at age 18. The level of play is about the same or higher than the NCAA, and it's even tougher to up go against real men every night as an 18 year old.

Hollinger projected him as a lottery pick after a breakout performance at one of the camps this week.

Lets not overreact to the whole pro experience thing. If we are talking famous busts, Darko was a considerably more experienced and established player when he was drafted.
Biyombo has played 14 games in ACB for a very mediocre team, and got bench minutes. It's incomparable to Rubio's experience when he was drafted, or Valanciunas, even Kanter.


Don't know if he's a bust or not, just saying it's ridiculous to think that much of a few months in ACB.
There's a reason why he suddenly got 'discovered' in the last couple months.
It's because he was burried on the youth team for years, while other prodigees of his age were getting ACB, Italian Serie A or even Euroleague experience.

Robertmto
04-12-2011, 11:12 PM
i knew there would be this kind of remark sooner or later.... dont be cruel man we just talking hoops... im just posting from SI and other people who have seen him play. can you find me one article where a player says he is dumb? If not then just go away.


and i have a friend,daddy,cousin who played against him dont count... seriously you dislike him and you know it.. But, he is going to be an hell of a player..if he is dumb with what i seen in him, then id still draft him being dumb.

you would listen to someone that played against him? well who is you're friend? maybe we would like to draft him. or is maybe you're friend just got schooled and he said yeah man he dumb. So friend, tell us who you're friend is? Id like to see his stats,ect. Im just going by basketball scouts,ect, thats all im doing to come to the conclusion i have made. Ans surely they know talent.

robert glenn, and the Ps almost DID draft him. any other questions?

bulldog
04-13-2011, 12:51 AM
Lets not overreact to the whole pro experience thing. If we are talking famous busts, Darko was a considerably more experienced and established player when he was drafted.
Biyombo has played 14 games in ACB for a very mediocre team, and got bench minutes. It's incomparable to Rubio's experience when he was drafted, or Valanciunas, even Kanter.


Don't know if he's a bust or not, just saying it's ridiculous to think that much of a few months in ACB.
There's a reason why he suddenly got 'discovered' in the last couple months.
It's because he was burried on the youth team for years, while other prodigees of his age were getting ACB, Italian Serie A or even Euroleague experience.

First of all, Darko played for Hemofarm, which had a good run around then but night in night out didn't play ACB level competition.

Secondly, Darko's a starting center in the NBA and putting together a decent little career. I understand he's not met his lofty expectations, but I think anyone should be happy drafting a starter-caliber player, since most draft picks are out of the league in a year or two. Darko's a flop not because he's THAT awful, but because he happened to be drafted in one of the most talented drafts in a long time.

The ability to play at Europe's top levels is indicative of SOMETHING. It's no guarantee, but it's analogous to playing top flight NCAA, for Kansas or Carolina or something like that.

ilive4sports
04-13-2011, 02:26 AM
First of all, Darko played for Hemofarm, which had a good run around then but night in night out didn't play ACB level competition.

Secondly, Darko's a starting center in the NBA and putting together a decent little career. I understand he's not met his lofty expectations, but I think anyone should be happy drafting a starter-caliber player, since most draft picks are out of the league in a year or two. Darko's a flop not because he's THAT awful, but because he happened to be drafted in one of the most talented drafts in a long time.

The ability to play at Europe's top levels is indicative of SOMETHING. It's no guarantee, but it's analogous to playing top flight NCAA, for Kansas or Carolina or something like that.

Being drafted at number 2 over players like Wade, Bosh, and Melo, you are going to have to be a damn good player. Sure he is a starting center right now. But its also on one of the worst teams in the league paired next to a great PF. He has come a long way, but certainly wasn't worth of #2, especially in that draft. He isn't a lottery player honestly. He's a flop because in any draft he isn't worth the #2 pick.

Biyombo has great size and potential, but it is very difficult making that translate from Europe to the NBA. Serge Ibaka becoming a good player is more of an anomaly than Darko being a bust when we look at big men who played in Europe and then played in the NBA.

ballism
04-13-2011, 05:51 AM
First of all, Darko played for Hemofarm, which had a good run around then but night in night out didn't play ACB level competition.

Secondly, Darko's a starting center in the NBA and putting together a decent little career. I understand he's not met his lofty expectations, but I think anyone should be happy drafting a starter-caliber player, since most draft picks are out of the league in a year or two. Darko's a flop not because he's THAT awful, but because he happened to be drafted in one of the most talented drafts in a long time.

The ability to play at Europe's top levels is indicative of SOMETHING. It's no guarantee, but it's analogous to playing top flight NCAA, for Kansas or Carolina or something like that.

2 years in Serbian league (Darko) vs 14 games in ACB. FIBA Champions cup, Korac cup and NEBL (Darko) vs no Euro level tournaments. Milicic had seen considerably more 'ACB level competition' at 18.

I wont repeat what ilive said about Darko busting, since i completely agree.
I don't know if Biyombo busts or not, I'm sure however that any reasonable scout won't take those 14 ACB games very seriously these days. Biyombo is where he is mostly due to impressive measurements and dominating the predraft.

Kstat
04-13-2011, 07:04 AM
I will say this, blocked shots are tangible, and they do translate.

The fact he averages 2 blocks per game overseas in less than half a game is nothing short of phenomenal. The European game does not allow for a lot of blocks.

Also, I disagree about his hype being based solely on his measurements..He is where is he because of what he did in the Hoops Summit game. That's what shot him up the draft chart. 12 blocks against an entire team of (most likely) future NBA players. Fantastic athletes that are the best among their peers at getting shots off in the paint.

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Take a look at the guys he's swatting. Austin Rivers is a projected top-5 pick in 2012. James McAdoo is a projected top-5 pick. Marquis Teague is a projected top-20 pick.

These are all kids that will be joining him in the NBA in the next 3 years. These aren't Euroleague lifers.

ballism
04-13-2011, 07:21 AM
Also, I disagree about his hype being based solely on his measurements..He is where is he because of what he did in the Hoops Summit game.


measurements and dominating the predraft.

Selective reading on your part? :)
or maybe my English failed there

Kstat
04-13-2011, 07:28 AM
that game isn't a pre-draft camp. Most of those kids are going on to college.

Oh, and draftexpress's updated 2011 mock draft has the Pistons drafting Biyombo at #7. Somehow, I'm not surprised.

ballism
04-13-2011, 07:54 AM
The fact he averages 2 blocks per game overseas in less than half a game is nothing short of phenomenal.

Hmm who was the guy who did exactly that 9 years ago in Europe, at age 17... Ohh I remember, Darko! :)
Darko can block. Thabeet can block. They are still busts. And it's still 14 ACB games.
If a team drafts Biyombo in top 10 as projected on draftexpress, it will be because of camps and workouts. Not because of some huge rock solid pro experience in Spain - he simply does not have that.
His pro experience is in fact nearly identical to Skita's (13 games in Serie A, a couple years on youth factory team in Slovenia). For a top 10 pick from Europe, he'd be one of the least experienced.

ballism
04-13-2011, 07:58 AM
that game isn't a pre-draft camp. Most of those kids are going on to college.

Oh, and draftexpress's updated 2011 mock draft has the Pistons drafting Biyombo at #7. Somehow, I'm not surprised.

season > predraft > draft

There's a period of time between season and the draft, and I simply used a general term for that.

Kstat
04-13-2011, 08:26 AM
Hmm who was the guy who did exactly that 9 years ago in Europe, at age 17... Ohh I remember, Darko! :)

your memory needs work. Darko never averaged 2 blocks per game for Hemofarm.

As for Thabeet...the jury is out on him, but he was nowhere near as agile or athletic as Biyombo is.

ballism
04-13-2011, 10:10 AM
your memory needs work. Darko never averaged 2 blocks per game for Hemofarm.

As for Thabeet...the jury is out on him, but he was nowhere near as agile or athletic as Biyombo is.


Good to know where I need some work, but lets work on the logic first. ;)
1.6 then? Does your entire argument rest on 0.4? If Darko averaged another half block in Europe, he'd be a sure thing? Please.

You want to talk about agility? Go ahead. Athleticism? Go ahead.
You want to give me stats from 14 games and say the guy is a sure thing because he's " getting minutes at age 18"? Sorry, but that's BS.

MyFavMartin
04-13-2011, 11:05 AM
He's up to #8 in DraftExpress Mock Draft now.

He's going between #7 and #9 to Detroit or Charlotte in ESPN's mock draft/lottery generator.

http://espn.go.com/nba/lottery2011/mockdraft

wintermute
04-13-2011, 11:55 AM
Gotta agree with ballism here. I'm a big fan of Bismack (see my posts in the other thread), but he's enough of a project that I'd worry about picking him in the top 10. That said, the draft this year definitely looks like slim pickings - there's good depth, but not a lot of star quality at the top. So I can understand why Detroit might be considering him at #7, especially with athletic big men who can defend so rare.


He's going between #7 and #9 to Detroit or Charlotte in ESPN's mock draft/lottery generator.


The surprising one to me is Kenneth Faried at #14 :eek: I thought he'd be available if we were to trade down to nab him in the late first. According to Chad though, we'd be lucky to get him at #15. Wow.

ballism
04-13-2011, 12:03 PM
He's going between #7 and #9 to Detroit or Charlotte in ESPN's mock draft/lottery generator.

http://espn.go.com/nba/lottery2011/mockdraft

It's been an amazing rise. If Barnes stays in school, and Valanciunas' buyout is problematic (as rumour has it), Biyombo is probably top 5. Wizards? Kings?

Robertmto
04-13-2011, 04:31 PM
He's going between #7 and #9 to Detroit or Charlotte in ESPN's mock draft/lottery generator.

http://espn.go.com/nba/lottery2011/mockdraft

i LOVE that the Jazz take Jimmer EVERYTIME on that thing

ballism
04-13-2011, 05:01 PM
i LOVE that the Jazz take Jimmer EVERYTIME on that thing

Funny, on only third try now, I have the Jazz winning the 2 spot and drafting Kyrie Irving (Wizards take Derrick Williams at 1).

Edit - oh, and Jazz still take Jimmer at 12 with their second pick.. Did they hire Khan? :p

CableKC
04-13-2011, 05:01 PM
Chad Ford has the 15th Pick ( the Pacers pick ) going for John Henson.

As I recall, he's not flashy or anything to write home about....but as a 15th Value pick....is he halfway decent?

He'd probably be just a backup rotational Big Man...which is something that we do need. :shrug:

Kstat
04-13-2011, 05:05 PM
that'd be a good pick if Henson were actually in the draft.

ballism
04-13-2011, 05:06 PM
Henson is staying in school though, or isn't it final yet?

CableKC
04-13-2011, 05:45 PM
You're right..he is...just saw the tweet on DX.

Whose next on the list of decent Players at 15?

ballism
04-13-2011, 06:32 PM
One of the Morris brothers? Faried? Jimmer?

I'd keep an eye on Valanciunas. His buyout situation is reportedly horrible, and he's probably staying in Europe for a few more years. No surprise - his Euro team ownership is notoriously unprofessional and cheap. He's been in top 5 on draftexpress board for two years now, but on Ford's board, he's slipping these days.
If it becomes a risk like Fran Vasquez for Orlando in '05, I wouldn't be surprised if Valanciunas drops to the 'teens. Not everyone likes him, but he's 18 and his improvements year to year have been amazing.

ballism
04-14-2011, 12:24 PM
Btw, Motiejunas would be available, according to Ford's board. He's been ~ no.8 for years.
Don't love him personally, but wouldn't be surprised if we draft him - good value in this crap draft at 15.
Kind of similar to Bargnani when he was drafted. With all positives and negatives. Good shooting, mobile, 7 feet, etc, but inconsistent motor on D, thin, bad rebounder. Even plays Bargnani's role on Bargnani's old Euro team.
Main difference - Bargnani has a longer wingspan.

MyFavMartin
04-14-2011, 02:43 PM
I like Jordan Williams but he's projected all over the place.

Kstat
04-14-2011, 02:48 PM
A bit smallish and unathletic for my tastes.

Kstat
04-14-2011, 02:49 PM
Motiejunas reminds me of Rasheed Wallace for some reason. He comes off as lazy, but I think he simply gets sidetracked by his own talent. He does so many things well, he loses focus.

Gamble1
04-14-2011, 03:29 PM
I like Jordan Williams but he's projected all over the place.
I wouldn't mind that pick at all. Certainly we could do worse than a 6'10 260 big boy. I think he could get picked before us though.

ballism
04-18-2011, 10:46 AM
Harrison Barnes is back to school as well. This draft is getting uglier every week.

LucasRL13
04-18-2011, 10:51 AM
I want Jimmy Fredette :dance:

travmil
04-18-2011, 11:00 AM
I want Jimmy Fredette :dance:

Careful....his school has rules about that sort of thing unless you plan on making him an honest man.

ballism
04-18-2011, 12:12 PM
Careful....his school has rules about that sort of thing unless you plan on making him an honest man.

Times are changing.

http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/articles/byu-students-protest-brandon-davies-dismissal-by-h,19679/

BringJackBack
04-18-2011, 03:22 PM
And just like that, Bismack has flown up the charts and is ranked #6 on Draftexpress.