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neosmndrew
04-09-2011, 02:41 PM
As most of you know, TJ Ford, Mike, and Jeff Foster are all coming off the books this season and we are gonna have a great amount of cap space. Who do you think we should sign?

(List: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=FreeAgents-11-12)

My thoughts: Resign Jeff Foster to a small, short term (2-3 yr) deal. We really could use his leadership. I then think we should sign Jason Richardson to give us consistent and proven shooter that can come off the bench or even start, and Zach Randolph to finally give us a top 10 post player than is reliable and can rebound.

CooperManning
04-09-2011, 02:47 PM
Theo Ratliff and Shawne Williams. Maybe Scalabrine if we have $ left over.

mattie
04-09-2011, 02:54 PM
No one. The only person I like is Tyson Chandler, and he's not really a viable option.

Zach Randolph will be a lot of offense, great rebounding, a fat contract, and no defense. No thanks.

Jared Sullinger
04-09-2011, 02:55 PM
Theo Ratliff is the type of defensive big man we desperately need. I'm all for signing him, but it wont come cheap. He wont be 40 for another 918,712 minutes, so you know he has a lot left in the tank.

Psyren
04-09-2011, 02:57 PM
I'd really be a fan of J-Rich.

As well as Tyson Chandler

Oh, and Murphy too

But while I'm at it, this FA class makes me depressed. We have all this money for that crap? What a terrible class.

troyc11a
04-09-2011, 03:08 PM
If we were to sign Tyson Chandler then Hibbert could be traded for just about anything we want. Therefore, signing Tyson would upgrade 2-3 positions at once!

yoadknux
04-09-2011, 03:08 PM
I want Jeff to stay, we all do I guess. I wanna resign him, if we can't, resign Josh.
Next, we need a real scoring option... I'd say either Z-bo, who can score inside and rebound, or Jason Richardson / Marcus Thornton. J-rich is a vet, Thornton is a rising young player that can already score well, and also played with DC in NO. Problem is, he's undersized for a SG, and not much of a defender (probably because of it).

imbtyler
04-09-2011, 03:09 PM
I think it'd be great to have Shannon Brown. Incredibly explosive off the bench, but three things matter:

1. we don't really need another SG off the bench until we're sure what we're doing with the rest of the wings and rotation.
2. I assume the Lakers will lay down plenty of cash to keep him around. He's very complementary to their flow.
3. He apparently has a player option on his contract, so I'll assume that, especially depending on how this postseason goes for the Lakers, he'll want to stick around and back up Kobe.

If we could separate him from his manbrother Blake, DeAndre Jordan is exactly what I want Roy to be. Both are tall and have length, but DJ has athleticism and vertical that can get him to the rim. If he and Roy work together and learn from each other, they could both be offensive/defensive beasts, imo.

In the very likely circumstance that we don't draft Perry Jones and lose Josh McRoberts (please no! keep him around!), I think making a move toward Derrick Brown or Earl Clark would be nice. Brown will need some work, but Clark can play both forward positions, and from what I've seen/heard, he's a very good defensive asset. If he played behind Tyler and Danny (roster pending), he could help shut down other teams' second units and turn that around to an offensive opportunity.

I also think players like Jamal Crawford, Jason Richardson, Nene, and Greg Oden (in hypothetical good health) would probably work well for the team also, but I don't expect the better 3/4 of them to want to come to Indiana, even if Crawford would probably end up with a starting spot, as opposed to "perpetual 6th man". I really like J-Rich, but I don't think he'll be a "smashmouth" kind of player anymore, since he's been settling for 3's mostly since arriving in Orlando. That is mostly due to Stan Van Gundy's system, though.

Also, I doubt we even try for Oden. If Larry (or other GM) has half a mind, he'll realize that four seasons of injuries is worse than one season of stupidly immature rookie fever.

speakout4
04-09-2011, 03:12 PM
TJ Ford :D

Solomon Grundy
04-09-2011, 04:05 PM
If Marc Gasol can play the 4, I say go for him. I doubt Memphis can keep both Gasol and Randolph. I don't know if a Gasol-Hibbert frontcourt would work, but I'd be curious enough to give it a try.

beast23
04-09-2011, 04:33 PM
First off, unless a player is an absolute god on the offensive end of the floor, his name wouldn't even be on my short list if he is not able to play darn good defense.

I think that we should probably consider that the Pacers are not likely to go away from Collison at the point, especially if Bird remains with the team. IMO, that means that the Pacers must have a very good defender next to Collison at SG. The best that might be available is Igoudala... not a free agent, but certainly a player that will significantly strengthen the backcourt defense. If George proves that he can play defense next year anywhere near Igoudala's level, that makes us that much stronger. The one knock on Igoudala's game is that he is not a very good perimeter shooter or scorer. However, he can get to the rim and finish, along with getting a lot of assists and rebounds from the SG position.

I would re-sign Josh McRoberts, our own FA, to primarily play behind Hibbert at center. Josh would also see minutes at PF. How many minutes would depend on whether we acquire a PF through trade or on the FA market.

The second starting position that I would improve is PF. Like SG, I would attempt to get a defender at this position, if the Hawks are willing to trade Josh Smith. Again, not a free agent, but exactly what the Pacers could use at the position. He is a very good defender around the rim, especially from the weakside. And, he is able to guard any stretch-4 in the league at mid-range or on the perimeter. He can also make the switch on the fly and guard nearly all SFs in the league as well.

If Smith cannot be acquired, I would consider one of the FAs this summer, accepting the fact that none will be nearly as good defensively as Smith. I could live with an emphasis on offense at PF with Hansbrough and a possible acquisition of Carl Landry, along with Josh McRoberts also getting minutes. However, not acquiring a defensive specialist at either PF or C would continue to leave us defensively weak in the frontcourt.

We can look at FAs, but quite frankly none give us exactly what we need at the PF and SG positions. I think we should definitely attempt to trade for the ideal players before "settling" for an alternative option through free agency.

BringJackBack
04-09-2011, 04:35 PM
Let me preface this by saying that we aren't limited to free agency, we can also do trades for guys on the block. I think we are set at the starting point guard spot, the small forward spot, the center spot, back up 4 spot (Where Tyler plays around 25 MPG as a backup), and backup 2/3.

-First thing's first, we need a starting shooting guard. Preferably one that can create for himself and break down a defense and is capable of having big nights. Jason Richardson is more of a guy who runs off of screens and plays in transition. Not that there is anything wrong with that, but that is what Danny does. Not to mention that Richardson is getting up there in age and has stretches of games where he just plays bad ball and shoots poorly. I wouldn't throw a fit if JRich was brought here, but I wouldn't expect much from him.

The first guys that come to mind that are potentially available for the two spot are Jamal Crawford, OJ Mayo, Rodney Stuckey, or even Marcus Thornton if worst comes to worst. These guys all do things that Jason Richardson can't do; Create for himself and break a defense down by himself with their dribbling skills. I would obviously take JRich over Stucky and Thornton though.

I would go:
1.) Mayo- Youth factor and he's already good. Put him on this team and he averages around 16 PPG.
2.) Jamal Crawford- He's better than Mayo, but age plays a role here and he'd get paid more than OJ does. Jamal has lost a step from last season too which is somewhat alarming. With that said, I would love Jamal here.
3.) Jason Richardson- Great guy to come off of screens, doesn't need the ball to be effective, and is a good defender. Age and contract are concerns, and I don't know if he'd be too interested in coming here as he probably has large interest.
4.) Stuckey- Just a ball player, but needs the ball in his hands and can't shoot.
5.) The rest
And then Paul George can develop in due time.

-Backup point guard spot. 36% shooting, 27% from three for a shooter, and 4.8 assists per 36 minutes is not getting it done for me. We need a defender and facilitator who can bring energy. Go after in no particular order:

Earl Watson (Solid defender and facilitator and can attack the basket. Plus he has already been here and he wouldn't command a lot of money)

Jordan Farmar (Just a ball player, good passer and shooter. He's not a FA but we could snag him if we get lucky)

Jarret Jack (Defender, energy, and shooting. Is capable of having big nights and he brings LEADERSHIP)

Or whoever. Just a better backup point guard.

-Power forward spot. Go after Josh Smith and try to pair him with Roy for next season. Do whatever it takes as long as we donít lose Paul George, Roy Hibbert, or Danny Granger.

The reason that I donít want to give any Granger up for him is because Smith is only locked up for two seasons after this one while Granger is locked up for three. And I think that Granger would come back once his contract is up and I'm not sure about Smith.

We want Smith to pair with Roy. If we trade Roy than that probably defeats the purpose of going after Smith. They go together like two peas in a pod. No homo.

George is going to be very good some day. Donít lose him for a two year rental.

Smith is the DREAM guy to go with Hibbert. Just perfect. Put Smith on this team now and we automatically turn into a 50 win team because they are that good of a match. We are currently around a 44 win team since Vogel has taken over.

If Smith is not attainable, go after Zach Randolph in the summer. Great rebounder, and just a ball player. He's an all star caliber guy, and he might have some interest here if he doesn't sign an extension with Memphis.

If neither of them are attainable, just start Tyler next season and sign a cheap, veteran backup four. Kurt Thomas, Shelden Williams, etc.

-Glue guy backup small forward. One who can defend, bring leadership, and do what it takes to win. First guy that comes to mind is Shane Battier. He would work out perfect. If he wants to go to a contender though than we need other options. AK47, Jared Dudley, Tayshaun Prince (Tayshaun will be pricey though).

-Back up center. I love Foster but I don't think that we can totally depend on his health. We need a backup center that can play post defense, rebound, block shots, and is a hard hat guy. The first guy that I want is Chuck Hayes for around the MLE. He is the man. He will do a bit of everything, and he will give opposing bigs FITS. He is a poor man's Kendrick Perkins and he would also make Roy a better player by them competing in practice. If not him, go after Marcin Gortat (Not a FA, but extremely solid and might be had for a couple of young pieces. Could be our backup 5 for the next four years), Ryan Hollins, or just make Foster the backup four.

DON'T go after DeAndre Jordan. He's going to get a huge contract and he doesn't deserve it.

If I were Bird, I would have four main goals in the offseason:

1.) Try to get the best bench in the league. Get good defenders at the 1, 3, and 5. Make Hans, George, and the backup point the scorers. Make the 1, 3, and 5 veterans that can get the job done and are extremely solid. For example: Jack/Watson/Farmar, Battier/Prince/Dudley, and Hayes/Gortat

2.) Go after Mayo as a low cost, high reward guy. It would be worth it because he can probably be had for a first round pick.

3.) Don't waste the money on crap!

4.) Try to get a veteran four like Smith or ZBo. If we don't get one of the two, don't get desperate and try to get Jeff Green or Carl Landry as that would kill us.

Collison/Defensive, consistent point
Mayo, Crawford, JRich/George/Jones
Granger/Glue guy
Smith/Hansbrough
Hibbert/Rebounder, shotblocker/Foster

PS- This is obviously all hypothetical and unlikely. Not to even mention that I haven't factored in what it would take to get Smith, if he's even available. :laugh:

KingGeorge
04-09-2011, 04:41 PM
The only problem I have with Tyson Chandler is that he will take over Roy's spot.

Chandler is a really good defensive player, but I think if we give Roy another 2 year's he will be one of the league's most dominant big men.

Another reason I would hate to see Roy lose his role is because of what he has done for the team. He has grown into a leader, has got the community involved again (Area 55), and plays with confidence.

Unless Chandler wants to play the 4 (which I doubt he would), I'm not sure if this works out in our favor in the long run.

Dr. Hibbert
04-09-2011, 04:43 PM
First...call me crazy, but if I'm the FO, I at least try to see if Dunleavy is interested in coming back at a reasonable price. I'm talking a price that reflects his game.

If he does, make FA decisions with that budget in mind. If he doesn't, make FA decisions with a larger budget.

Dr. Hibbert
04-09-2011, 04:44 PM
The only problem I have with Tyson Chandler is that he will take over Roy's spot.

Chandler is a really good defensive player, but I think if we give Roy another 2 year's he will be one of the league's most dominant big men.

Another reason I would hate to see Roy lose his role is because of what he has done for the team. He has grown into a leader, has got the community involved again (Area 55), and plays with confidence.

Unless Chandler wants to play the 4 (which I doubt he would), I'm not sure if this works out in our favor in the long run.

And speaking of that confidence, it would CRUSH Roy's confidence to relegate him to the bench. So if the Pacers are interested in building around him, it's not a wise long-term move, unless Chandler would play the 4 as you said.

Jose Slaughter
04-09-2011, 05:04 PM
I got three names. First I think we'll swing the OJ Mayo deal. Bird & Morway worked too hard to get that deal hammered out not to re-visit it around the draft.

Next is a minor deal that would help address our power position. Robin Lopez is a solid rebounder & shot blocker who has slipped out of the rotation with the Suns. He would be an excellent 4/5 backup.

The guy I would really like to add is Ray Allen but I think it would be very difficult to work a deal to land him. Maybe if the Celtics falter early in the playoffs they might look to rebuild. Allen would be this units Byron Scott. Teaching our youth what it means to take your game to the next level while keeping your head right.

KingGeorge
04-09-2011, 05:11 PM
The guy I would really like to add is Ray Allen but I think it would be very difficult to work a deal to land him. Maybe if the Celtics falter early in the playoffs they might look to rebuild. Allen would be this units Byron Scott. Teaching our youth what it means to take your game to the next level while keeping your head right.

There is no way we land Ray Allen. All he is worried about now is winning championships.

I'm also guessing he only has about 2 years left before he calls it quits.

LA_Confidential
04-09-2011, 05:12 PM
This free agent class may be short on Super Star talent but It has tons of depth. For instance.....

I believe Jeff will retire. If so then we can replace him with Reggie Evans. He is A Rebounding MONSTER. Samuel Dalembert is also an option. To be honest I wouldnt mind giving Kwame Brown a look.

If we dont sign Josh back we can make a run at a guy like Boris Diaw. He can fill up a stat sheet as well as anyone and his jump shot is better than Josh. He would have to decline his option to return to the Bobcats though which isn't farfetched.

I think we have to re-sign Mike if we don't upgrade the back up point guard spot. Leandro Barbosa is an option. He's a combo guard who can score and defend.

These are all solid options that would give us tremendous depth and we should not have to grossly overpay. Not to mention the trade flexibility that our cap space gives us.

So while this FA Class is Short on Stardom its Deeper than we give it credit for.

troyc11a
04-09-2011, 05:26 PM
The only problem I have with Tyson Chandler is that he will take over Roy's spot.

Chandler is a really good defensive player, but I think if we give Roy another 2 year's he will be one of the league's most dominant big men.

Another reason I would hate to see Roy lose his role is because of what he has done for the team. He has grown into a leader, has got the community involved again (Area 55), and plays with confidence.

Unless Chandler wants to play the 4 (which I doubt he would), I'm not sure if this works out in our favor in the long run.

If Tyson Chandler is signed Roy would have to be traded. He could not go to the bench. Chandler is a beast on the defensive end.
They could trade Roy to a team like the Hawks and bring back this Josh Smith everybody seems to love along with another piece like Hinrich or Crawford. The Hawks would jump at that deal and the Pacers would improve 3 positions at once! I dont really want to trade Roy, but if we could get a defensive Center and upgrade 2 other positions I would seriously think about it!

troyc11a
04-09-2011, 05:29 PM
I got three names. First I think we'll swing the OJ Mayo deal. Bird & Morway worked too hard to get that deal hammered out not to re-visit it around the draft.

Next is a minor deal that would help address our power position. Robin Lopez is a solid rebounder & shot blocker who has slipped out of the rotation with the Suns. He would be an excellent 4/5 backup.

The guy I would really like to add is Ray Allen but I think it would be very difficult to work a deal to land him. Maybe if the Celtics falter early in the playoffs they might look to rebuild. Allen would be this units Byron Scott. Teaching our youth what it means to take your game to the next level while keeping your head right.

Good research! Robin Lopez would be a terrific back-up big. Probably wont cost much either! I have only watched him a few times but he does not seem like a finesse player to me. We need some interior toughness badly!

nyballer31
04-09-2011, 07:49 PM
Did Tyson Chandler lose that much athleticism over the years where he can't play the 4 spot anymore? It's a shame because he would be the perfect compliment to Roy.

CableKC
04-09-2011, 07:52 PM
Not that I mind talking about what FA to get....nor am I complaining....but we have one of these new threads once every other week.

Shouldn't somebody simply "sticky" one of these threads?

Pacerized
04-09-2011, 07:55 PM
If we bring in a big man he needs to be a big man not a tweener. I'd rather start 2 centers then sign an undersized 4. At the very least we need a player that is more of a 4/5 rather then one that's a 3/4. Roy could start with Nene, Gasol, Kaman or Chandler and I'd be happy with that. Let other teams match up with us.

KingGeorge
04-09-2011, 09:11 PM
I know most people will disagree with me on this, but I think our need of drafting big free agents (Tyson Chandler, Shannon Brown, Zach Randolph, etc) are over.

The problem that a lot of fans have (myself included) is that we want our team to be successful now.

However, if you seriously take a look at this team, the organization has set us up for success. We have a combined 13 years of experience in the starting lineup, and we are already making the playoffs.

The key this off season should be acquiring key role players, and working to build team chemistry. (Robin Lopez was a good example)

If a deal arises that is too good to pass up, we should take it only if it will help the team in the long run.

All we need right now is a little patience, and to build the strongest team possible 1-12.

IU_sears
04-09-2011, 09:45 PM
Re-signing Dunleavy to a reasonable contract is a no-brainer in my opinion, unfortunately most people don't agree with me.

I think he enjoys playing here, and i know legend likes Mike's game... Secondly, anyone else find it interesting the team has been playing great with Dun back in the lineup???

He is a heady player that knows how to play the game... To me that is extremely valuable in today's NBA as these players are harder and harder to come by in the age of freakish athleticism.

troyc11a
04-09-2011, 10:17 PM
Re-signing Dunleavy to a reasonable contract is a no-brainer in my opinion, unfortunately most people don't agree with me.

I think he enjoys playing here, and i know legend likes Mike's game... Secondly, anyone else find it interesting the team has been playing great with Dun back in the lineup???

He is a heady player that knows how to play the game... To me that is extremely valuable in today's NBA as these players are harder and harder to come by in the age of freakish athleticism.

Nobody should disagree with bringing Dun back on a reasonable contract. He is a great wing off the bench. Probably better than most wings who are subs. I really think trying to sign him to a good contract is a no-brainer.

Pacerized
04-09-2011, 11:36 PM
Nobody should disagree with bringing Dun back on a reasonable contract. He is a great wing off the bench. Probably better than most wings who are subs. I really think trying to sign him to a good contract is a no-brainer.

I'd agree with this but he's worth about 3 mil as a reserve wing. If the CBA tightens less then that. I don't see him getting a lot of interest as a free agent so it should be possible to keep him on a cheap contract. If he wants anything more then this I'd be happy to let him walk, the Pacers have overpaid him for long enough.

troyc11a
04-09-2011, 11:41 PM
I'd agree with this but he's worth about 3 mil as a reserve wing. If the CBA tightens less then that. I don't see him getting a lot of interest as a free agent so it should be possible to keep him on a cheap contract. If he wants anything more then this I'd be happy to let him walk, the Pacers have overpaid him for long enough.

I couldnt agree more. He would be a nice luxury to have if not over-priced. But there is a line to draw and I am sure that management knows that if we do!

beast23
04-10-2011, 01:41 AM
If Tyson Chandler is signed Roy would have to be traded. He could not go to the bench. Chandler is a beast on the defensive end.
They could trade Roy to a team like the Hawks and bring back this Josh Smith everybody seems to love along with another piece like Hinrich or Crawford. The Hawks would jump at that deal and the Pacers would improve 3 positions at once! I dont really want to trade Roy, but if we could get a defensive Center and upgrade 2 other positions I would seriously think about it!Trading Hibbert if Chandler were signed makes a lot of sense.

But better than that, I would definitely be very pleased if the Pacers were able to acquire Hinrich along with Smith. As far as I'm concerned, defensive PFs don't come any better than Smith, and Hinrich offers leadership along with a complete game at both ends of the floor. Hopefully, Hinrich could be extended a couple of years as part of the deal.

But a Chandler, Smith, Granger, Hinrich and George/Dunleavy lineup would do great. George is obviously the long-term solution, but Dunleavy's weaker man-on-man defensive skills would be covered up very well in this lineup.

ksuttonjr76
04-10-2011, 02:28 AM
Backup C, Starting SG, and backup PG are our biggest need. I say let our current starting 5 grow together. Personally, I would go after our own players in Josh McRoberts and Mike Dunleavy. I would make some type of trade that would involve Rush and D. Jones. The players I would go after...

Nenad Krstic
Caron Butler (I would try him at the SG spot)
J.R. Smith (Why not? Plus he's only 25)
DeAndre Jordan (When have the Clippers ever resign anyone?)
Mario Chalmers
Jason Richardson
Spencer Hawes
Samuel Dalembert
Chris Quinn
Jose Juan Barea

Honestly, any trade attempts that I made would be to land a starting SG. I really hope that Indiana revisits the trade to acquire OJ Mayo.

troyc11a
04-10-2011, 01:53 PM
I just feel this team needs to get bigger, stronger, and tougher - period. I dont see any physically imposing player on the roster. Even Roy at 7"2 gets pushed around. The 2000 team may not have had the athleticism this team has, but it was tougher by far. I like Vogel promoting a smash mouth brand of ball, I just dont think he has the horses to run that race!

mattie
04-10-2011, 02:04 PM
Trading Hibbert if Chandler were signed makes a lot of sense.

But better than that, I would definitely be very pleased if the Pacers were able to acquire Hinrich along with Smith. As far as I'm concerned, defensive PFs don't come any better than Smith, and Hinrich offers leadership along with a complete game at both ends of the floor. Hopefully, Hinrich could be extended a couple of years as part of the deal.

But a Chandler, Smith, Granger, Hinrich and George/Dunleavy lineup would do great. George is obviously the long-term solution, but Dunleavy's weaker man-on-man defensive skills would be covered up very well in this lineup.

Ok sorry no it doesn't. This reasoning is so flawed I'm not sure if its even worth responding...

First Tyson is older and injury prone. The guy can be counted on to barely play 30 minutes. Expecting him to play 82 games every season is ridiculous. If we were to sign him and trade Hibbert, we'd suddenly lose our only legit low post threat. We'd also lose our shot blocking presence. In fact, adding Tyson, while losing Hibbert would almost be a negative in nearly every aspect of the game.

Now supposing we can think outside of our ESPN designed box, we'd realize signing Tyson and starting him at the 4 along with Hibbert would make us an excellent defense in the paint. But since Tyson plays the 5, and ESPN told us a long time ago that there is a massive difference between the nearly identical positions, we know this is unpossible.

spreedom
04-10-2011, 03:12 PM
I would go:
1.) Mayo- Youth factor and he's already good. Put him on this team and he averages around 16 PPG.
2.) Jamal Crawford- He's better than Mayo, but age plays a role here and he'd get paid more than OJ does. Jamal has lost a step from last season too which is somewhat alarming. With that said, I would love Jamal here.
3.) Jason Richardson- Great guy to come off of screens, doesn't need the ball to be effective, and is a good defender. Age and contract are concerns, and I don't know if he'd be too interested in coming here as he probably has large interest.
4.) Stuckey- Just a ball player, but needs the ball in his hands and can't shoot.
5.) The rest
And then Paul George can develop in due time.

-Backup point guard spot. 36% shooting, 27% from three for a shooter, and 4.8 assists per 36 minutes is not getting it done for me. We need a defender and facilitator who can bring energy. Go after in no particular order:

Earl Watson (Solid defender and facilitator and can attack the basket. Plus he has already been here and he wouldn't command a lot of money)

Jordan Farmar (Just a ball player, good passer and shooter. He's not a FA but we could snag him if we get lucky)

Jarret Jack (Defender, energy, and shooting. Is capable of having big nights and he brings LEADERSHIP)

Or whoever. Just a better backup point guard.

-Power forward spot. Go after Josh Smith and try to pair him with Roy for next season. Do whatever it takes as long as we don’t lose Paul George, Roy Hibbert, or Danny Granger.

The reason that I don’t want to give any Granger up for him is because Smith is only locked up for two seasons after this one while Granger is locked up for three. And I think that Granger would come back once his contract is up and I'm not sure about Smith.

We want Smith to pair with Roy. If we trade Roy than that probably defeats the purpose of going after Smith. They go together like two peas in a pod. No homo.

George is going to be very good some day. Don’t lose him for a two year rental.

Smith is the DREAM guy to go with Hibbert. Just perfect. Put Smith on this team now and we automatically turn into a 50 win team because they are that good of a match. We are currently around a 44 win team since Vogel has taken over.

If Smith is not attainable, go after Zach Randolph in the summer. Great rebounder, and just a ball player. He's an all star caliber guy, and he might have some interest here if he doesn't sign an extension with Memphis.


I found this funny. Solid analysis though, even if I wouldn't ever want Randolph.

PacerPride33
04-10-2011, 03:26 PM
Personally, I don't think the Pacers FO is really going to make a run at anyone in the Free Agent class. They are going to use their financial position to make a big trade. The Grizz want to keep Randolph and I think trading Mayo for a first round pick is ideal for them. This will allow them to pay more $ to keep him. Hopefully after getting Mayo, we look to trade for another PF because there are no good long term solutions in the Free Agency market. The only two I can see the Pacers having interest in is Jeff Green and Carl Landry, but thats IF there teams don't sign them. We are all hoping for Josh Smith and I think offering Rush, McBob in a S&T and two first round picks would be enough--This is best case scenario, but definetely possible to pull off

vnzla81
04-10-2011, 03:47 PM
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CableKC
04-10-2011, 03:52 PM
I have 2 words for you, Mr. Kim Kardashian.

He'd be a solid replacement for Foster in the lineup.

PR07
04-10-2011, 04:06 PM
I think Tyson Chandler can still play the 4. He'd be a good fit here, but I don't see Dallas letting him walk away.

Trophy
04-10-2011, 04:29 PM
There isn't much this offseason so I hope we don't settle.

I'd like to try and sign and trade for Eric Gordon in 2012.

I'll be happy with key trades for guys like Josh Smith.

D0NT SH0OT ME
04-10-2011, 05:35 PM
My list (in order of priority) would be:

Carl Landry
Wilson Chandler
David West
Zach Randolph
Nick Young
Jason Richardson
Thaddeus Young
Tyson Chandler
Luc Richard Mbah a Moute
Jeff Green
DeAndre Jordan

croz24
04-10-2011, 08:47 PM
for those seriously suggesting trade hibbert, GTFO! jmo...

beast23
04-10-2011, 08:54 PM
Ok sorry no it doesn't. This reasoning is so flawed I'm not sure if its even worth responding...

First Tyson is older and injury prone. The guy can be counted on to barely play 30 minutes. Expecting him to play 82 games every season is ridiculous. If we were to sign him and trade Hibbert, we'd suddenly lose our only legit low post threat. We'd also lose our shot blocking presence. In fact, adding Tyson, while losing Hibbert would almost be a negative in nearly every aspect of the game.

Now supposing we can think outside of our ESPN designed box, we'd realize signing Tyson and starting him at the 4 along with Hibbert would make us an excellent defense in the paint. But since Tyson plays the 5, and ESPN told us a long time ago that there is a massive difference between the nearly identical positions, we know this is unpossible.
Okay. I think I would have to agree that parting with Roy and depending on Chandler is not a good idea.

However, I would NOT play Roy and Chandler together. Chandler just would not be a good presence away from the paint... at all.... on either end of the floor. I can agree with you that if you have a PF that is not good away from the paint, that your center and PF are interchangeable. But, if you begin to look at defending away from the basket, playing a PnR game and also playing a good mid-range game, you just are not going to find many, if any at all, true centers that have those skills. I don't need ESPN or anyone else to tell me this, it is something that is blatantly obvious.

troyc11a
04-10-2011, 09:53 PM
Ok sorry no it doesn't. This reasoning is so flawed I'm not sure if its even worth responding...

First Tyson is older and injury prone. The guy can be counted on to barely play 30 minutes. Expecting him to play 82 games every season is ridiculous. If we were to sign him and trade Hibbert, we'd suddenly lose our only legit low post threat. We'd also lose our shot blocking presence. In fact, adding Tyson, while losing Hibbert would almost be a negative in nearly every aspect of the game.

Now supposing we can think outside of our ESPN designed box, we'd realize signing Tyson and starting him at the 4 along with Hibbert would make us an excellent defense in the paint. But since Tyson plays the 5, and ESPN told us a long time ago that there is a massive difference between the nearly identical positions, we know this is unpossible.


Anyone who doesnt look at Tyson Chandler as an upgrade over Hibbert is hopeless. Even if Roy develops better than we think he will never be better than Tyson. And as far as injury prone goes, Chandler has played over 70 games in 7 of the 10 years in the league. Thats not injury prone, it is pretty good for a physical Center. Of course Roy will play more because he is soft and will never challenge inside enough to get hurt in the first place.

If all of these players are to good to replace, why in the heck are they so far under 500? Why are they backing into a playing spot with a bad record? The bottom line is every position should be looked at because not one Pacer player is playing good enough to say his position cant get upgraded!

LA_Confidential
04-10-2011, 09:59 PM
Anyone who doesnt look at Tyson Chandler as an upgrade over Hibbert is hopeless. Even if Roy develops better than we think he will never be better than Tyson. And as far as injury prone goes, Chandler has played over 70 games in 7 of the 10 years in the league. Thats not injury prone, it is pretty good for a physical Center. Of course Roy will play more because he is soft and will never challenge inside enough to get hurt in the first place.

If all of these players are to good to replace, why in the heck are they so far under 500? Why are they backing into a playing spot with a bad record? The bottom line is every position should be looked at because not one Pacer player is playing good enough to say his position cant get upgraded!

Is this a serious question?

Exile on Pennsylvania
04-10-2011, 10:04 PM
Anyone who doesnt look at Tyson Chandler as an upgrade over Hibbert is hopeless. Even if Roy develops better than we think he will never be better than Tyson. And as far as injury prone goes, Chandler has played over 70 games in 7 of the 10 years in the league. Thats not injury prone, it is pretty good for a physical Center. Of course Roy will play more because he is soft and will never challenge inside enough to get hurt in the first place.

If all of these players are to good to replace, why in the heck are they so far under 500? Why are they backing into a playing spot with a bad record? The bottom line is every position should be looked at because not one Pacer player is playing good enough to say his position cant get upgraded!

As to Chandler, while it's true he's played over 70 games in seven of ten seasons, before this season he played in 45 and 51 the previous two seasons. He's also approaching his 30s, a time when a player's durability is not likely to improve. He's absolutely an injury risk from this point forward. And I like Chandler a lot; it's just silliness to sign him (and the Mavs are likely to pay a lot, see every other center on the roster) and trade Hibbert (unless Hibbert nets something in return that shocks us).

As to your second paragraph, it's even sillier. No one on here is saying the Pacers shouldn't improve, they obviously should. That's what this entire thread is about. However, when looking to improve, you should first look to the positions that are most in need of upgrading. Center isn't one of those positions. Shooting guard, power forward, etc., are far higher on the list of needed upgrades.

Dr. Hibbert
04-10-2011, 10:45 PM
for those seriously suggesting trade hibbert, GTFO! jmo...

I wouldn't say GTFO...I'd say GTFO for what they're asking in return. I don't think anyone on this team is absolutely not tradeable. I do think that potential for growth, especially as a member of this Pacers squad, should be taken into strong consideration before signing off, though.

troyc11a
04-10-2011, 11:13 PM
As to Chandler, while it's true he's played over 70 games in seven of ten seasons, before this season he played in 45 and 51 the previous two seasons. He's also approaching his 30s, a time when a player's durability is not likely to improve. He's absolutely an injury risk from this point forward. And I like Chandler a lot; it's just silliness to sign him (and the Mavs are likely to pay a lot, see every other center on the roster) and trade Hibbert (unless Hibbert nets something in return that shocks us).

As to your second paragraph, it's even sillier. No one on here is saying the Pacers shouldn't improve, they obviously should. That's what this entire thread is about. However, when looking to improve, you should first look to the positions that are most in need of upgrading. Center isn't one of those positions. Shooting guard, power forward, etc., are far higher on the list of needed upgrades.

I understand concern about Tyson Chandler, but I would be concerned with a lot of players who get max deals (anyone say Joe Johnson?).
It seems the only position that everyone on here wants to upgrade is PF. Tyler seems to be the only one not doing a good job. Want to upgrade Center - no way Roy will be a star; Want to upgrade SG, PG, SF = same thing. Every thread that mentions upgrading a position gets slammed except PF. I think this is ridiculous.
I dont think its to unreasonable to look at all 5 positions , but if you think about bringin in Tyson Chandler, he will upgrade 2-3 positions at once. He will instantly upgrade the Center position and then Roy could be traded to fill a couple other needs as well. I cannot see Roy not bringing back at least 2 quality starters in a trade. If not, I wouldnt let him go!
I am not advocating this, I am just bringing it up because this is a discussion board. This thread is for that reason!

Scot Pollard
04-10-2011, 11:45 PM
for those seriously suggesting trade hibbert, GTFO! jmo...

Yes I wouldn't trade him.

Paul George, James Posey, Roy Hibbert, and Tyler Hansbrough are the players pretty much off limits.

Shabazz
04-11-2011, 12:19 AM
I think Tyson Chandler can still play the 4. He'd be a good fit here, but I don't see Dallas letting him walk away.

Tyson Chandler's body is going to give out on him in the near future. Some team is going to get stuck with too big a contract and a guy sitting in street clothes all season.

CableKC
04-11-2011, 02:38 AM
For those that think that we can make a run at Josh Smith, what do you think that we have that the Hawks would be interested in?

Granger is probably the most likely candidate that would be included....mainly for the level of talent that the Hawks would need back...but realistically, I don't see how getting another scorer would help the Hawks....if they move Josh Smith....they will desperately need some Big Man help....especially at the Center spot...not at the SF spot.

My total guess is that if the Hawks were interested in moving Josh Smith....they'd likely ask for Hibbert and Hansbrough and not Granger.

troyc11a
04-11-2011, 12:24 PM
For those that think that we can make a run at Josh Smith, what do you think that we have that the Hawks would be interested in?

Granger is probably the most likely candidate that would be included....mainly for the level of talent that the Hawks would need back...but realistically, I don't see how getting another scorer would help the Hawks....if they move Josh Smith....they will desperately need some Big Man help....especially at the Center spot...not at the SF spot.

My total guess is that if the Hawks were interested in moving Josh Smith....they'd likely ask for Hibbert and Hansbrough and not Granger.

I think you might be right about that. They need a true Center not a SF.
As far as our need goes, I dont see us really needing Josh Smith as much as Horford. I dont think we need another small power forward. If we go after a big (and I assume we will), it needs to be a guy who can play both the 4-5. Thats why I would rather have Horford. But I really dont see Atlanta getting rid of either one unless they get a true Center in return.
Personally, I think Hibbert has more value than Smith. So no way I would even consider throwing in Hans.

BornReady
04-11-2011, 01:57 PM
I have 2 words for you, Mr. Kim Kardashian.

He'd be a solid replacement for Foster in the lineup.

lol! we should put in the contract clause- if and only if they stay together :D

BornReady
04-11-2011, 01:58 PM
for those seriously suggesting trade hibbert, GTFO! jmo...

for once we agree on something :)

xBulletproof
04-11-2011, 02:03 PM
For those that think that we can make a run at Josh Smith, what do you think that we have that the Hawks would be interested in?


.... the ability to not send them money back.

They have near 70 million dollars in salary in 7 players for next year. If the new CBA doesn't get rid of the luxury tax, they'll be most assuredly in it. They still need to sign 8 more players. This is a team that is 22nd in attendance and even when they've been highly successful they still had money problems. Atlanta has never fully supported that team.

At some point, something has got to give, and teams aren't going to trade for Joe Johnson's contract. Horford is someone they value more than Josh Smith, and nobody else on their team makes enough money to really make a difference. Unless they can trade Marvin Williams and his 7 million dollar contract.

Professor S
04-11-2011, 02:11 PM
They have near 70 million dollars in salary in 7 players for next year.

I keep hearing this but I'd like specifics. Who are these seven players and what are their contracts? Just wondering...I'm not challenging the info, just interested in the specifics of it. If someone could post it or provide a link to the info I'd greatly appreciate it.

xBulletproof
04-11-2011, 02:14 PM
I keep hearing this but I'd like specifics. Who are these seven players and what are their contracts? Just wondering...I'm not challenging the info, just interested in the specifics of it. If someone could post it or provide a link to the info I'd greatly appreciate it.

I hadn't looked it up since the trade deadline, looks like they shaved 3 million off for next year from their trade. I recall it being 67-68 million.

Regardless, it's still stupid high.

http://www.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/hawks.jsp

Professor S
04-11-2011, 04:18 PM
I hadn't looked it up since the trade deadline, looks like they shaved 3 million off for next year from their trade. I recall it being 67-68 million.

Regardless, it's still stupid high.

http://www.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/hawks.jsp

It's really not that different from this year. This year they have $64 million tied up in their top seven salaries, next year they $65.7. Obviously this depends on a new CBA and salary cap but potentially they COULD use the same strategy as this year and fill out the remainder of their roster with league minimum players. Josh Smith appears to be more of a pipe dream in my opinion.

Doddage
04-11-2011, 04:34 PM
Yes I wouldn't trade him.

Paul George, James Posey, Roy Hibbert, and Tyler Hansbrough are the players pretty much off limits.
http://marketingdotcom.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Not-Sure-if-serious-300x136.jpg

CableKC
04-11-2011, 05:09 PM
It's really not that different from this year. This year they have $64 million tied up in their top seven salaries, next year they $65.7. Obviously this depends on a new CBA and salary cap but potentially they COULD use the same strategy as this year and fill out the remainder of their roster with league minimum players. Josh Smith appears to be more of a pipe dream in my opinion.
I'm thinking along your lines here and don't think that Josh Smith is a realistic option as I don't think that ( short of Hibbert ) we have any assets that we'd be willing to give up in order to get him EVEN if we simply absorb his contract without sending something back ( since there are a small handful of Teams that are below the Cap as well ).

However, the reverse argument can be that if the Hawks don't advance beyond Dwight Howard with the current core of 6 or 7 Players ( including Josh Smith )...which is possible.....then it's unlikely that "standing pat" is going to get them any further then how they did this season. The problem...IMHO...is that they have 2 PFs in the Frontcourt...where neither are really suitable to be Starting Centers. Unless they are desperate to get under the SalaryCap under the new CBA ( which is possible )....I don't see the Hawks moving Josh Smith to another "young and upcoming Team" like the Pacers in the same Conference.

PacerPride33
04-12-2011, 07:23 PM
As much as I want to believe getting Josh Smith is a realistic option, I really don't see Atlanta trading him. Since we can't get him, who do you guys think we make a run at as far as trading for a big guy who is playing at a high level? My next guess would be Al Jefferson. Mainly because Utah already has some young big guys on their team. Jefferson is the most expensive by far and I think Utah, who is in rebuilding mode, would take back a Rush+McBob+draft picks for him in order to shed his salary. Other than Jefferson, I really don't know who to aim for. Don't think Landry is worth giving a big contract to and I think Boston is going to keep Jeff Green. David West? He's already 30. It is slim pickings right now at the PF spot. What do you guys think

CableKC
04-12-2011, 07:33 PM
As much as I want to believe getting Josh Smith is a realistic option, I really don't see Atlanta trading him. Since we can't get him, who do you guys think we make a run at as far as trading for a big guy who is playing at a high level? My next guess would be Al Jefferson. Mainly because Utah already has some young big guys on their team. Jefferson is the most expensive by far and I think Utah, who is in rebuilding mode, would take back a Rush+McBob+draft picks for him in order to shed his salary. Other than Jefferson, I really don't know who to aim for. Don't think Landry is worth giving a big contract to and I think Boston is going to keep Jeff Green. David West? He's already 30. It is slim pickings right now at the PF spot. What do you guys think
I don't mind making a run on JRich ( as our Starting SG ), Humphries ( as our backup Center ) and then waiting it out to see what ( if any ) Starting quality PFs become available via Trade.

ksuttonjr76
04-12-2011, 07:41 PM
As much as I want to believe getting Josh Smith is a realistic option, I really don't see Atlanta trading him. Since we can't get him, who do you guys think we make a run at as far as trading for a big guy who is playing at a high level? My next guess would be Al Jefferson. Mainly because Utah already has some young big guys on their team. Jefferson is the most expensive by far and I think Utah, who is in rebuilding mode, would take back a Rush+McBob+draft picks for him in order to shed his salary. Other than Jefferson, I really don't know who to aim for. Don't think Landry is worth giving a big contract to and I think Boston is going to keep Jeff Green. David West? He's already 30. It is slim pickings right now at the PF spot. What do you guys think

How about we keep the PFs we got now? That sounds like a better plan to me. We're not hurting at the PF spot.

QuickRelease
04-12-2011, 08:06 PM
My Wish List in this order:

1. SG - Jason Richardson

2. PF - Josh Smith

3. PG - Raymond Felton

4. PF - (Backup) Reggie Evans/Chuck Hayes

troyc11a
04-12-2011, 09:24 PM
How about we keep the PFs we got now? That sounds like a better plan to me. We're not hurting at the PF spot.

I agree, we only need a PF if Josh leaves. If we can keep him without paying a bundle, we are set there for years. How many teams won anything when they paid tens of millions to a PF anyway? They need to be blue collar/defensive studs like the Davis boys were!

troyc11a
04-12-2011, 09:28 PM
If McBob leaves via free agency, we really need to replace him with someone who can play the 4-5. Not a small PF/SF type like Josh Smith (IMO).
Someone needs to look up how many guys like that will be on the market and how many might be available via trades!

Scot Pollard
04-12-2011, 09:29 PM
http://marketingdotcom.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Not-Sure-if-serious-300x136.jpg

I am 100% not serious. :laugh:

I was waiting for someone to question that.

Scot Pollard
04-12-2011, 09:31 PM
I want Josh Smith and Eric Gordon.

troyc11a
04-12-2011, 09:45 PM
I want Josh Smith and Eric Gordon.

I would like Eric Gordon if he could stay healthy and play a little better defense (and grow 2-3 inches). I like him but we would have the smallest back court in the NBA by far.

bryanaustin130
04-22-2011, 11:08 AM
What about, saving money, and maybe getting Chris Paul, and Kevin Love next year? This year if we got rid of all our free agents (Solomon Jones, Jeff Foster, Josh McRoberts, T.J. Ford, and Mike Dunleavy) we would have around 26 million. Right now Kevin Love is getting paid around 5 million, and Chris Paul is getting paid 15 million. They are both free agents in 2012, and both under 26 years old. Charles Barkley even said on tnt yesterday talking about how if you would have put a star on our team, since we dont have one it would be a good team because we have so many good surrounding players, What you think?

I also would be interested in (First 2 may not be liked, but more of players i like) JJ Barea, Ricky Rubio, and Eric Gordon.