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indygeezer
10-03-2004, 08:36 AM
What a complete pain in the arse it is to reconstruct EVERYFRICKINGTHING. Major computer rash a couple weeks ago led to a whole new clone being built for me. Now I have to go in and reconstruct ALL sites /links/you name it I gotta do it. Worst is the loss of all my peeps email addies...gone. Yeah I got em on disk but I aint savvy enough to load them directly into Outlook Express. Which BTW says I have 84 unread messages that I can't see. I can see whatever came in post re-connect, but prior to that is invisible to me. GRRRRRrrrrrrrr :mad:


I HATE THIS, I HATE IT, HATE IT, HATE IT. :mad:

Will Galen
10-03-2004, 09:30 AM
What a complete pain in the arse it is to reconstruct EVERYFRICKINGTHING. Major computer rash a couple weeks ago led to a whole new clone being built for me. Now I have to go in and reconstruct ALL sites /links/you name it I gotta do it. Worst is the loss of all my peeps email addies...gone. Yeah I got em on disk but I aint savvy enough to load them directly into Outlook Express. Which BTW says I have 84 unread messages that I can't see. I can see whatever came in post re-connect, but prior to that is invisible to me. GRRRRRrrrrrrrr :mad:


I HATE THIS, I HATE IT, HATE IT, HATE IT. :mad:


A computer rash is a new one on me, if that's what you mean. However, I think you mean crash. If you were running Microsoft XP couldn't you just use the restore? That's what it's for. Or was it a hardwear crash?

indygeezer
10-03-2004, 09:54 AM
What a complete pain in the arse it is to reconstruct EVERYFRICKINGTHING. Major computer rash a couple weeks ago led to a whole new clone being built for me. Now I have to go in and reconstruct ALL sites /links/you name it I gotta do it. Worst is the loss of all my peeps email addies...gone. Yeah I got em on disk but I aint savvy enough to load them directly into Outlook Express. Which BTW says I have 84 unread messages that I can't see. I can see whatever came in post re-connect, but prior to that is invisible to me. GRRRRRrrrrrrrr :mad:


I HATE THIS, I HATE IT, HATE IT, HATE IT. :mad:


A computer rash is a new one on me, if that's what you mean. However, I think you mean crash. If you were running Microsoft XP couldn't you just use the restore? That's what it's for. Or was it a hardwear crash?



I was running W-98...I think it started as a virus attack but ended with my HD trashed and eventual mother board failure. Now how that can happen I don't know...but it appeared my system was deteriorating rapidly. My service tech (whom I know and trust for a long time) said he'd never seen anything like it before.

He was convinced from the start that it was a Motherboard problem. But I don't recall seeing a motherboard degenerate over a couple of days.

Anthem
10-03-2004, 12:21 PM
I have.

There are also virii that attack your hardware, although I haven't seen them in a couple of years.

Will Galen
10-03-2004, 12:36 PM
indygeezer wrote, Major computer rash a couple weeks ago led to a whole new clone being built for me. Now I have to go in and reconstruct ALL sites /links/you name it I gotta do it.

Ok, why can't you just have the hard drive pulled from your old computer and piggy back it in your new computer. If it was set up as the master hard drive you wouldn't have to reconstruct anything. Even if it was the slave you would still have everything .

Bball
10-03-2004, 02:53 PM
If your motherboard was the culprit why not just get a new motherboard and reuse everything else? Everything should be on your harddrive and Win98 will reconfigure for the new motherboard.

BTW... I assume your friend checked the obvious but a couple of things that can happen and drive your bonkers if you don't check them:
Power supply fan failing (going slow) or completely stopped. In either case your PS gets flakey and also can put too much heat into your computer case.

CPU fan slows or dies. CPU will work OK for a bit (depending on heatsink and CPU but eventually will go crazy... lockup... errors...

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Also.. your PS could be failing even if the fan is OK. A power supply not able to supply the proper voltage will cause errors galore.

-Bball

Doug
10-03-2004, 03:42 PM
If your motherboard was the culprit why not just get a new motherboard and reuse everything else? Everything should be on your harddrive and Win98 will reconfigure for the new motherboard.

BTW... I assume your friend checked the obvious but a couple of things that can happen and drive your bonkers if you don't check them:
Power supply fan failing (going slow) or completely stopped. In either case your PS gets flakey and also can put too much heat into your computer case.

CPU fan slows or dies. CPU will work OK for a bit (depending on heatsink and CPU but eventually will go crazy... lockup... errors...

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Also.. your PS could be failing even if the fan is OK. A power supply not able to supply the proper voltage will cause errors galore.

-Bball

Funny. That's where I'm at on my home computer right now. I had a bit of a heat problem, not sure if it was enough to damage the CPU or not. Everything powers up OK, but it never boots. I think I've narrowed it down to motherboard, CPU, memory or power supply. :-( I think I'll try motherboard/CPU next. <sigh> This is the downside of building your own computer. You are your own tech support.

Anthem
10-03-2004, 06:08 PM
The thing is, a new mobo/processor/fan is so stinking cheap these days, it's incredible.

The benefit of building your own computer is swapping out any and all pieces whenever it suits you. I ran the "same" computer for close to 8 years... I don't think I ever upgraded more than one piece at a time.

Bball
10-03-2004, 07:26 PM
[ This is the downside of building your own computer. You are your own tech support.


That's a downside? :o

I thought all tech support ever did was talk you thru a list of things that were either already tried or not even connected to the problem and then at some point had you reinstall the operating system? ;)

-Bball

Doug
10-03-2004, 07:28 PM
The thing is, a new mobo/processor/fan is so stinking cheap these days, it's incredible.

Yep. I found a processor/mobo combo that's only $100 and 150% the speed of the CPU I've got.

Doug
10-03-2004, 07:40 PM
That's true on tech support. I've never found them to be very helpful and it always comes down to "reinstall windows".

Anthem
10-03-2004, 08:17 PM
The thing is, a new mobo/processor/fan is so stinking cheap these days, it's incredible.

Yep. I found a processor/mobo combo that's only $100 and 150% the speed of the CPU I've got.

Actually, if you don't mind staying away from Intel (stupid overpriced hardware company), you can do even better. I generally build on 2400-2800 AthlonXPs, with a decent all-in-one mobo (except graphics) and stock fan included for under $80.

Doug
10-03-2004, 09:58 PM
Current system is Athlon 2000. The $100 included a 2800. If you could post or PM the links and I'll take a look at them.

I've got things working right now. Reseated pretty much every cable / board. Still didn't work. Disconnected the hard drives, CD, and floppy and got a "beep". Reconnected the hard drives and presto, got a boot. We'll see if it stays stable. I was somewhat suspecious of the CD drive. Perhaps it's just the 2nd IDE port that has the problem... Oh well... Y'all didn't want me to start work on RoboDoug just yet, did ya? :-)

Anthem
10-03-2004, 10:29 PM
Sorry, it's a West Coast chain (Fry's Electronics). Pricewatch is showing Athlon XP 3200s starting at $130, though.

Has anyone built with the new "Sempron" yet? It seems to be just a standard Athlon XP with a different wrapper.

Your problem reminds me of one I had with an old GigaByte board I used on my parent's box... first the CD-RW started fritzing, so we replaced it. Then the printer port, so we got a USB printer. Then the USB port, so we got a cheap PCI hub. A couple of other things went wrong before we finally figured out it was the southbridge. Replaced the motherboard for <$100, and went from 1800+ to 2600+. Really, the most painful part of buying a new motherboard is replacing the RAM... you almost always have to buy new.

Doug
10-03-2004, 11:07 PM
Guess what? It's a GigaByte MB. I bought it 'cause I wanted to do hardware RAID, but that was far more trouble than it was worth and I ended up turning it off after a couple of months. The mirrored pair kept breaking for one reason or another.

It's sooooooo temping to go up to the 64, but I'm afaird if I start down that path, I'm going to want a new video card. And a DVD-RW. And more RAM. And S-ATA hard drives. And oh, a flat panel display. And so on.

Right now it's looking like my CPU is OK. I'm very tempted to go with the Shuttle barebones system instead of just getting the MB. I almost went that way to begin with. It's about $170 from NewEgg, but both my memory and CPU should transfer over OK.

But, if the dang thing keeps working, I'm just going to limp along without a CD for a while. I'd rather not spend the money right now.l

Anthem
10-03-2004, 11:36 PM
I love my shuttle. It's NForce-based, so I actually didn't use a graphics card. The onboard graphics is a gForce4, and it'll take up to 128 megs. Does everything I need it to... like I said, I'm currently on Linux, I don't play first person shooters, so really the most graphics-intensive thing I do is play NeverWinter nights.

If you can get an nForce-based shuttle, you're off to a great start.

TheSauceMaster
10-04-2004, 02:24 AM
This always why I preach backup, backup , backup !!!!!!

2nd Hard Drives are a lifesaver , making cdr or dvd copies another lifesaver , I always backup all my browser bookmarks and everything every few days , same with email contacts and stuff and windows settings and so much more.

I buy all my pc parts from http://www.newegg.com

Soooooo much cheaper than the local shops even if there having sales , I saved over 300.00 on my last pc I built vs buying the parts local. I have made well over 200 purchases there and had 1 time a DOA motherboard , but they took care of it speedy and shipped me a new one next day air on there dime.

I love building my own PC and have been doing it for almost 10 years and would never buy a premade PC again , I don't need tech support as I found most the time there about useless as a manual , that's if they speak english in the first place. I know my PC inside and out and I can always upgrade my PC ,unlike most premade's that's how they make there money by suckering you into a machine that will easily be outdated in 1-2 years.


I feel sorry for people who don't do backups , but then again I don't because there are way to many affordable options for backup and it's very easy. Infact I reformat my hard drive every 6-12 months to keep my disk cleaned up , running a defrag program isn't enough to keep it optimal. I formatted on Tuesday and was back up and running at full speed with most everthing I had before , settings , drivers ..everything.

Running SP2 now and it's not as bad as some people are making it out to be if you do a fresh install , after I got rid of the security center and windows firewall and patched the TCP connection limit I have been rocking trouble free since tuesday.

indygeezer
10-04-2004, 08:04 AM
I'm looking at my new 'puter right now. It says AMD Athalon XP.

BUT THE THING IS SO FREAKING LOUD I HAVE TO SHOUT TO BE HEARD.

The tech said he installed 6 fans to keep it cooled down. He felt I may have had an overheating problem (now that you mention it it, he did say something about that).
The people who built my last one, a local clone builder located on the southside, used a "very old style" motherboard and then added parts as they would fit. It was topped out when built and was going to cost as much to upgrade as to re-build, or so I'm told. All I know is, right now this thing works great and is super fast, for a pc tied to the net with a dial up. Cost...about $600.00 (including the windows XP).


But I think I'm going to have him remove a couple fans...the kids missed our calling them yesterday because they couldn';t hear the phone. I can believe it.

ChicagoJ
10-04-2004, 10:01 AM
Sorry, it's a West Coast chain (Fry's Electronics).

I just discovered a Fry's Electronics in Chicagoland - how do those compare to the BestBuy's/ HH Gregg's/ Circuit City's of the world? Man, I miss Highland's and Fretter's. :rolleyes:

Will Galen
10-04-2004, 10:34 AM
I'm looking at my new 'puter right now. It says AMD Athalon XP.


That's exactly what I have.

I've ordered my last two computers from Nutrend.com. I order what I want and they put it together for me. I suspose I could build one myself. I have the time, and I've upgraded my own computers before.

This last one just started to get loud when I first turn it on. I think it's the hard drive, I'll have to pay more attention the next time I turn it on.

TheSauceMaster
10-04-2004, 10:35 AM
I dunno Have ran AMD's on Stock Fans before with no problems , but if you keep your house warm your gonna have heating issues more often than not ,I dunno what kinda issues you had that would make them think it was a heating problem and most modern pc's have it where they can shut down if the cpu get's too hot.

I dunno why you would need 6 fans , I overclock and mod my PC case and all the works and I don't even have that many fans , infact til about 6 months ago I just ran a after market Cpu cooling fan and was able to overclock and still have a very cool cpu. Now since I got my new mod case I have 4 fans but I hardly notice the noise maybe it's the fans I bought but I rarely notice it , I could probably get away with running 2 fans easy.


I dunno I don't trust other people building my pc's they usually throw cheap parts in so they can make a few extra $$$$ there is not alot of profit in selling hardware and building them is even worse cause you have people saying well I can get this for this much at dell , gateway etc , which is a PC that is about worthless for anything other than email and websurfing.


Call me a stingy *** but I used to build pc's for family and friends and it turned into a almost full time job in tech support fixing there mistakes , so I pretty much just build my own pc's now.

Really if you have 2 good fans , say 1 in the top of the case which they call a "blow hole" cause it sucks air out the top of the case , it's directly centered over the cpu area and one on the side sucking in room temp air to circulate and kewl then you should be fine. Most the time when you have heating issues it's due to high room temps , poor air circulation in your case , or you just need a better cpu fan which moves more air to kewl the cpu , which is about 20-30 bucks depending on what you get.

Also I used rounded cables for my hard drives , cdroms etc , they help alot with air circulation , some users have reported it drops there temp case 5-10 degrees and that's a pretty good drop , I noticed about a 8 degree drop myself which I switched to rounded cables. Now they are a few dollars more expensive but it keeps the case all nice and neat and looking good , make sure you always tie up all those loose wires and slack ...just letting it hang around reduces air flow alot.

TheSauceMaster
10-04-2004, 10:38 AM
Sorry, it's a West Coast chain (Fry's Electronics).

I just discovered a Fry's Electronics in Chicagoland - how do those compare to the BestBuy's/ HH Gregg's/ Circuit City's of the world? Man, I miss Highland's and Fretter's. :rolleyes:

Pretty sure that Fry's in Chi town was once a Incrediable Universe , Fry's bought alot of them when they went outta bussiness , I used to work at the Incrediable Universe in Indy over on 96th street.

Fry's has been expanding off the west coast they used to be west coast only , Fry;s is pretty much the same as BestBuy/ HH Gregg/ Circuit City not much diffrence.

Doug
10-04-2004, 10:48 AM
I've got an Athlon AMD XP 3000+ that I have no use for. Want one?

Yes. Is it the 333 FSB or 400 FSB? If it's the 400, I'll have to buy a new MB, but since I think my problem *is* the motherboard, I'll probably be doing that anyway.

Doug
10-04-2004, 12:22 PM
I've got an Athlon AMD XP 3000+ that I have no use for. Want one?

Yes. Is it the 333 FSB or 400 FSB? If it's the 400, I'll have to buy a new MB, but since I think my problem *is* the motherboard, I'll probably be doing that anyway.



Hmm, unknown. And it's up in Indy and I'm down here. In all honesty, I don't know if it even works (long story involving a stupid computer builder and too much thermal grease), and I would recommend not even taking it for free it. I didn't think anyone would actually want it, my bad. :blush:


No problem.

indygeezer
10-04-2004, 12:25 PM
http://www.pcclub.com/product_detail.cfm?itemno=A1313324


I believe this is my case.

TheSauceMaster
10-04-2004, 12:32 PM
http://www.pcclub.com/product_detail.cfm?itemno=A1313324


I believe this is my case.


Hmm not bad geezer , I guess I am more into the hip looking pc's checklout my case :)

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Not bad for 56.00 and free shipping and it comes with 2 fans , now I know some of the old timers won't like a case like this but it is nice at night with the lights dimmed :laugh::laugh:

I can added 4 more fans easy and the nice temp gauge is sweeeeet , love knowing my cpu temp.

[url=http://www.newegg.com/app/Showimage.asp?image=11-144-026-16.JPG/11-144-026-15.JPG/11-144-026-17.JPG/11-144-026-11.JPG/11-144-026-04.JPG/11-144-026-08.JPG/11-144-026-05.JPG/11-144-026-03.JPG/11-144-026-06.JPG/11-144-026-07.JPG]Click Me (http://www.newegg.com/app/Showimage.asp?image=11-144-026-16.JPG/11-144-026-15.JPG/11-144-026-17.JPG/11-144-026-11.JPG/11-144-026-04.JPG/11-144-026-08.JPG/11-144-026-05.JPG/11-144-026-03.JPG/11-144-026-06.JPG/11-144-026-07.JPG)

indygeezer
10-04-2004, 12:53 PM
THat's sweet Sauce. We were being cost watchers. Mrs. G hates spending the money on tech stuff (witness my dial-up connection)....some battles are just more important to win than others. On mine, you'll notice the blue along the face edges, well those are actually gridwork and the fans are behind the grids. Pulls in from the front and vents??? not sure where.

He had us take the PC off the floor and put it up on my nice new desk I built :mad: right next to my ears. BUT, he said with carpetting it would help keep the 'puter clean.

TheSauceMaster
10-04-2004, 01:26 PM
Geezer I know all about the saving money bit , been there done that :laugh::laugh: Mine is uphappy it's football season and basketball season is starting , it gets fun sometimes if you know what I mean , having a anti sports mate ;)

indygeezer
10-04-2004, 04:09 PM
Geezer I know all about the saving money bit , been there done that :laugh::laugh: Mine is uphappy it's football season and basketball season is starting , it gets fun sometimes if you know what I mean , having a anti sports mate ;)


Oh, yeah....I KNOW exactly what you mean.

Throw in my penchant for hunting...and doing charity work....