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vnzla81
04-07-2011, 12:08 PM
Danny was on NBA tv last night after the game and he said that he rather play Chicago than Boston because "with Chicago we think he have a shot to win the series" what do you guys think?

Trader Joe
04-07-2011, 12:09 PM
I guess my thinking with Chicago is that, some of these guys aren't the most playoff tested group. At least when compared to Boston. So I can kind of dig that. Who knows. Might as well roll our dice though and see what happens.

Reggie4Three
04-07-2011, 12:10 PM
File that under things that are better left unsaid. I absolutely hope they believe that (actually they need to believe that if they are playing the Celtics, Bulls, Lakers, or anyone else) but there's no need to say it.

mattie
04-07-2011, 12:11 PM
Oh hell yes. I'm going to make my official prediction now: Pacers in 6 in a stunning upset!

Speed
04-07-2011, 12:14 PM
File that under things that are better left unsaid. I absolutely hope they believe that (actually they need to believe that if they are playing the Celtics, Bulls, Lakers, or anyone else) but there's no need to say it.

Is it up on the Bulls bulletin board yet? I mean, I know players shouldn't need motivation yada yada yada, but why even say that.

Not the end of the world, but you called it, better left unsaid.

rock747
04-07-2011, 12:16 PM
I hope that is the teams mindset. Better than him saying, we'll probably lose. Already purchased my tickets!

beast23
04-07-2011, 12:21 PM
I don't think anyone would deny the Pacers have a shot, regardless of how small it is.

However, if the Bulls play well every game, it would take the Pacers playing 4 of their best games of the season to win the series. Either that, or the Bulls playing some of their worst ball of the season in a couple of the games.

But, if small likehood things like this never occurred, why would someone ever have dreamed up the bumper sticker "***** HAPPENS"?

Just for the simple reason that we are young and inconsistent, it is not likely to happen.

Really?
04-07-2011, 12:22 PM
lol Danny has always been a realist, atleast he is speaking the truth.

Trader Joe
04-07-2011, 12:24 PM
I'm a firm believer in that once you accomplish one goal, you need to immediately set another one. Our goal right now should be, win 1 game in the playoffs. Then keep moving it forward.

Win a game, be competitive, make some noise, don't get blown out.

vnzla81
04-07-2011, 12:28 PM
If our "small three" (Danny,DC and Roy) decided to play like they have some cojones in the playoffs I think we could have a chance.

Sookie
04-07-2011, 12:29 PM
File that under things that are better left unsaid. I absolutely hope they believe that (actually they need to believe that if they are playing the Celtics, Bulls, Lakers, or anyone else) but there's no need to say it.

Meh, if Chicago needed that as motivation, then we DID/DO have a shot at beating them.

TinManJoshua
04-07-2011, 12:29 PM
"Have a shot" isn't exactly the words I would use to put down a team. Therefore, I don't consider this B-board material.

Mackey_Rose
04-07-2011, 12:31 PM
Granger should take a break from all media engagements the rest of the year.

I don't want my team's "captain" thinking there is no way they can beat Boston or Miami.

Trader Joe
04-07-2011, 12:34 PM
If Chicago honestly gets worked up about this, then they have some major issues. I don't think they'll even see it. And if I had to guess Granger would have said something similar when questioned about any of the teams. What do you want him to say, "Well, we really expect Chicago to just bend us over and have their way with us. We're just happy to have that opportunity really."

BPump33
04-07-2011, 12:36 PM
If Chicago honestly gets worked up about this, then they have some major issues. I don't think they'll even see it. And if I had to guess Granger would have said something similar when questioned about any of the teams. What do you want him to say, "Well, we really expect Chicago to just bend us over and have their way with us. We're just happy to have that opportunity really."

That wasn't Danny's quote, that was from Lance. :rimshot:

IUfan4life
04-07-2011, 12:38 PM
I don't care. I just want to see us play

vnzla81
04-07-2011, 12:51 PM
I think we need to discuss how we match up againts Chicago,

Rose>> DC

Keith Bogans< PG

Deng= Danny

Boozer >> Tyler

Noah = Roy


Bench:

Watson= AJ

Brewer= Rush

Korver= Dunleavy

Gibson = Josh

Omer<< Foster


So as we can see The Bulls are way better than us at PG and PF but after that the match up is pretty close.

I Love P
04-07-2011, 12:51 PM
My prediction for the series.

Game 1 loss
Game 2 loss
Game 3 loss
Game 4 win
Game 5 loss

mattie
04-07-2011, 12:56 PM
I think we need to discuss how we match up againts Chicago,

Rose>> DC

Keith Bogans< PG

Deng= Danny

Boozer >> Tyler

Noah = Roy


Bench:

Watson= AJ

Brewer= Rush

Korver= Dunleavy

Gibson = Josh

Omer<< Foster


So as we can see The Bulls are way better than us at PG and PF but after that the match up is pretty close.

On defense I say we start PG on Rose. He'd certainly do a much better job that DC.

Lou Bega
04-07-2011, 01:00 PM
If the Pacers were a decent team capable of winning a playoff series in the Eastern Conference they would have a better seed than 8th.

Doddage
04-07-2011, 01:10 PM
I think we need to discuss how we match up againts Chicago,

Rose>> DC

Keith Bogans< PG

Deng= Danny

Boozer >> Tyler

Noah = Roy


Bench:

Watson= AJ

Brewer= Rush

Korver= Dunleavy

Gibson = Josh

Omer<< Foster


So as we can see The Bulls are way better than us at PG and PF but after that the match up is pretty close.
Noah's better than Hibbert, with all due respect to Roy. It's going to be a tough series for Roy.

tfarks
04-07-2011, 01:15 PM
Unless we get Gary Payton in his prime to defend Rose and Reggie to come out of retirement to nail every clutch 3 for us this shot is basically non-existent. But of course any other attitude would be unacceptable. Having confidence to beat them is a big mental hurdle cleared.

michealwilliams4
04-07-2011, 01:18 PM
We're upset that Granger said this?

Why are not upset that Rose said he wanted to see us in the playoffs after our last win?

Have some pride! This team's on the same stage, and #8s have shocked #1s before. Besides, it's not like this Bulls team has actually won anything. Why shy away and tell Granger to keep his mouth shut for what's expected to be a four game sweep? Any fight the Pacers show will force the Bulls and the media's hand to prove we belonged.

I'd hope everyone on this team say we can beat the Bulls. What have we got to lose?

spazzxb
04-07-2011, 01:21 PM
If the Pacers were a decent team capable of winning a playoff series in the Eastern Conference they would have a better seed than 8th. so you trolling or what?

Professor S
04-07-2011, 01:21 PM
Danny was on NBA tv last night after the game and he said that he rather play Chicago than Boston because "with Chicago we think he have a shot to win the series" what do you guys think?

I couldn't find the above quote when searching for it so forgive me, but I'm probably arguing semantics. What I did find was this quote from Danny on NBA TV:


"Fortunately, honestly, we'd rather play Chicago than Boston. Boston, with a veteran team, knows how to win in the playoffs."
-Danny Granger

That actually seems a little MORE inflammatory to me. The quote vnzla81 posted just seems to exude confidence in the team going into the playoffs. The one I quoted very strongly infers that Chicago does NOT know how to win in the playoffs.

mattie
04-07-2011, 01:23 PM
I couldn't find the above quote when searching for it so forgive me, but I'm probably arguing semantics. What I did find was this quote from Danny on NBA TV:



That actually seems a little MORE inflammatory to me. The quote vnzla81 posted just seems to exude confidence in the team going into the playoffs. The one I quoted very strongly infers that Chicago does NOT know how to win in the playoffs.

You can't really say they do. Chicago has proven nothing yet. A record means nothing until you can win that first series.

vnzla81
04-07-2011, 01:25 PM
I couldn't find the above quote when searching for it so forgive me, but I'm probably arguing semantics. What I did find was this quote from Danny on NBA TV:



That actually seems a little MORE inflammatory to me. The quote vnzla81 posted just seems to exude confidence in the team going into the playoffs. The one I quoted very strongly infers that Chicago does NOT know how to win in the playoffs.

Yeah he said that before the thread quote, I just think he said that because the Bulls are such a young team and don't have that much playoffs experience together.

sportfireman
04-07-2011, 01:36 PM
Granger should take a break from all media engagements the rest of the year.

I don't want my team's "captain" thinking there is no way they can beat Boston or Miami.
So if he stops talking to the media, he will then believe we can beat anyone?

yoadknux
04-07-2011, 01:43 PM
It just shows how excited he, and probably the rest of the players are. It's not great, it is overconfidence after all, but it motivates the fans and the team, so it's not that bad either

LucasRL13
04-07-2011, 01:45 PM
Danny is much better than Deng, and our bench much better than Chicago bench, no doubt

Mackey_Rose
04-07-2011, 01:59 PM
So if he stops talking to the media, he will then believe we can beat anyone?

Even if he doesn't think they can beat the Celtics, he shouldn't say that kind of stuff. He's supposed to be a leader.

He should stop talking to the media because recently he's made a habit out of putting his foot in his mouth. He'd be better off just not saying anything.

Heisenberg
04-07-2011, 01:59 PM
Well...we wanted Danny to show some leadership right? He didn't say it as cocky as it seems in text, but hell, I kinda wish he did.

Mackey_Rose
04-07-2011, 02:02 PM
I apparently read something completely different into it than everybody else.

Trader Joe
04-07-2011, 02:04 PM
Yeah, I didn't see that angle at all Mackey, though I see what you're saying.

I merely thought the answer was prompted directly by a question about how we felt about playing Chicago.

15th parallel
04-07-2011, 02:07 PM
I really don't know what's so critical of what he said. It's just like any other sport, like boxing, mixed martial arts, or football. Some players just say something t6hat can be compared like a simple "jab" to create a little fire between competing parties. At least it attracted some attention. It just creates a little drama and interest, just like how Washington players liked to trash talk about LeBron to the media when they are meeting in the playoffs.

And it's not that he just said that because he's not thinking. He's just honest on his assessment based on what happened in the past. Remember that "old-and-sliding-down-in-the-regular-season" Celtics from last year that were already counted off before the playoffs begin due to their losing streak, and ended up almost upsetting the Lakers in the finals? You do not simply underestimate the heart of the champions that know how to bring their A+ game when it matters.

And yeah, although very small, they have a better shot to win the series against Chicago simply because that team is not as seasoned and experienced as compared to that Celtics team. And as long as only one or two players are carrying the offense of the Bulls (with Rose as their only consistent offensive threat, Boozer is somewhat injury prone so we never know come playoff time), they are far more predictable than the Celtics that are more deep and more diversified.

RomanGabriel
04-07-2011, 02:07 PM
I can't get away from the Bulls up here and am pretty familiar with how they operate. They're very well coached and play great team defense. But we do indeed have a shot. I can't for the life of me figure out why anyone bothers guarding Noah beyond 10 feet. The man can't shoot to save his life. We should help out defending Boozer down low, and basically let Rose get his, because with his athleticism he's going to do whatever he wants. That said, they are fairly young and don't have a whole lot more playoff experience than we do. A gut feeling: Paul George will explode onto the national stage in this series!

ksuttonjr76
04-07-2011, 02:18 PM
IMHO, I would have rather we played Chicago than Boston. Boston has went through the drenches of Playoff wars. I'm not trying to be negative, but I think's Boston's OVERALL playoff experience would have been too much to overcome for the Pacers, and that's not even taking in consideration Rivers' coaching experience. Personally, for the first experience, I believe it's better to go against a contender (minus Miami) instead of a team that went 7 games (and to the wire) in last year's Finals. A team like that is looking for "redemption" and will be HUNGRY.

graphic-er
04-07-2011, 02:22 PM
Danny is much better than Deng, and our bench much better than Chicago bench, no doubt

I dunno about that. I love Danny, but Deng plays hard nose D, and puts up 15 a game. Danny is gonna have to play out of his mind for us to win this series.

Unclebuck
04-07-2011, 02:28 PM
The biggest mistake anyone could possibly make in analyzing this series is to do the typical evaluations of starters vs starters, bench vs bench coach vs coach. That IMO is of no real value. For one thing D. Rose trumps all that. Plus the pacers might have the advantage at 3 out of the 5 starting positions - but that tells us nothing, this is a team game and the Bulls defense is much better than ours and that isn['t figured in to the player vs player evaluations.

If the pacers beat the Bulls in this series it will be the biggest upset in NBA playoff history.

IMO, the only way the pacers win this series is if D. Rose gets injured and cannot play.

LucasRL13
04-07-2011, 02:32 PM
I expect Danhtay Jones to play great defense on D-Rose, I expect Vogel give minutes to DJ to defend D-Rose.

graphic-er
04-07-2011, 02:34 PM
The biggest mistake anyone could possibly make in analyzing this series is to do the typical evaluations of starters vs starters, bench vs bench coach vs coach. That IMO is of no real value. For one thing D. Rose trumps all that. Plus the pacers might have the advantage at 3 out of the 5 starting positions - but that tells us nothing, this is a team game and the Bulls defense is much better than ours and that isn['t figured in to the player vs player evaluations.

If the pacers beat the Bulls in this series it will be the biggest upset in NBA playoff history.

IMO, the only way the pacers win this series is if D. Rose gets injured and cannot play.

Or if the Refs swallow the whistle when it comes to Rose.

Unclebuck
04-07-2011, 02:35 PM
I expect Danhtay Jones to play great defense on D-Rose, I expect Vogel give minutes to DJ to defend D-Rose.


I don't see that Jones has the quickness. Maybe back in the 90's when you could hand check

I probably wouldn't even try Jones on him, I would try Rush though. But what is much more important is the team concepts, not who ever is actually guarding him.

Lou Bega
04-07-2011, 02:35 PM
so you trolling or what?

Stating a fact, If the Pacers were decent they would have a better record than the Knicks.

Unclebuck
04-07-2011, 02:36 PM
Or if the Refs swallow the whistle when it comes to Rose.
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maybe in one game, but the refs are different in every game. And if there is a game where the refs allow physical play overall that might hurt the pacers overall because the Bulls are more physical than the pacers

LucasRL13
04-07-2011, 02:38 PM
I don't see that Jones has the quickness. Maybe back in the 90's when you could hand check

I probably wouldn't even try Jones on him, I would try Rush though. But what is much more important is the team concepts, not who ever is actually guarding him.

I expect many minutes to Rush, Jones and George to defend D-Rose...
If we can stop Rose, we win the series...

Chicago = D-Rose

LucasRL13
04-07-2011, 02:39 PM
Stating a fact, If the Pacers were decent they would have a better record than the Knicks.

Jim O'Brien remember?

Unclebuck
04-07-2011, 02:42 PM
I expect many minutes to Rush, Jones and George to defend D-Rose...
If we can stop Rose, we win the series...

Chicago = D-Rose


But there is not any one one player in the NBA who can stop him. You wait and see when the Bulls lose or when a team defends Rose pretty well it will have little to do with who is actually guarding him and a lot more to do with the team defense and the approach. Pistons defended Jordan well not because of Dumars, who did a nice job, but because of the Pistons entire team defense.

But in order do to a good job on a player like Rose you need an experienced defense that is very smart and aggressive. Pacers aren't there

graphic-er
04-07-2011, 02:42 PM
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maybe in one game, but the refs are different in every game. And if there is a game where the refs allow physical play overall that might hurt the pacers overall because the Bulls are more physical than the pacers

Really? i'd like the Pacers chance way more if the refs werent giving Rose and 1 opportunities just because he jumped into somebody. I think we can match the physicality of any team if fired up enough. But you can't match handouts by the refs.

Kid Minneapolis
04-07-2011, 02:43 PM
There's something about Chicago that screams "regular season superstars, disappointing playoffs" to me, and there's a number of factors:

1) Chicago plays all-out, all year long. Fantastic quality for the regular season, but unfortunately for the playoffs, the sleep-walking giants like Boston who've been on cruise control all season have the ability to wake up and step it up many notches for the playoffs --- Chicago is already shown their hand, they've been notched up all season long. It's hard to imagine them taking it any further in intensity. Their games all season have all been just intense, all-out blitzes all game long.
2) Having played all-out all season long, especially DRose, fatigue could be an issue.
3) 1-horse teams (and yes, Chicago has some talent, but they ride DRose entirely too much) tend to get locked down in the playoffs when teams decide to actually play defense. I don't see Rose dominating as much in the playoffs as he did in the regular season. I see teams denying him paint access much more frequently, thus throwing a monkeywrench in Chicago's offense.
4) They *are* young. Indy is young.... so is Chicago. Neither team has a mountain of playoff experience behind them, so neither is proven at all.
5) Indiana *is* capable of stepping it up for the playoffs. We all know that. They have rarely played to max potential this season, which has been one of the frustrating traits for us this year. But Chicago... like I said, they have been ratcheted up all season; Indy has goofed off. IF Indy decides to get it together and play to potential, it's really not a huge differential in talent between the teams with the exception of DRose, who, like I said, has to be getting tired. Just because a team has the best player in the series doesn't mean they win the series. Watching that guy on the court go 400mph all the time just makes me cringe. You can't do that forever. Don't care how young and superhuman he seems. Even if/when he gets past the Pacers... I wouldn't be surprised to see them run out of gas in any subsequent series. IF DRose is able to continue this incredible level of energy and win a championship, I will concede that his season will have been the single greatest individual effort and case of someone running themselves to death for the glory of a ring in the history of the game.

My only real concern is what version of the Pacers show up for the series. If we get a half-assed version.... it'll be over quick and ugly. If our A-game shows up, we can go toe-to-toe with anyone in the post-season.

However... I got a feeling. This team has been denied the playoffs for 4-5 years now, and we have some first-time guys who I expect will be really fired up. And this time we got a coach with a philosophy that I believe in and he has a fire, too.

Trader Joe
04-07-2011, 02:44 PM
You do wonder if Rose might start running on fumes here. He has literally carried that team all season.

Unclebuck
04-07-2011, 02:47 PM
There's something about Chicago that screams "regular season superstars, disappointing playoffs" to me, and there's a number of factors:

1) Chicago plays all-out, all year long. Fantastic quality for the regular season, but unfortunately for the playoffs, the sleep-walking giants like Boston who've been on cruise control all season have the ability to wake up and step it up many notches for the playoffs --- Chicago is already shown their hand, they've been notched up all season long. It's hard to imagine them taking it any further in intensity. Their games all season have all been just intense, all-out blitzes all game long.

2) Having played all-out all season long, especially DRose, fatigue could be an issue.

3) 1-horse teams (and yes, Chicago has some talent, but they ride DRose entirely too much) tend to get locked down in the playoffs when teams decide to actually play defense. I don't see Rose dominating as much in the playoffs as he did in the regular season. I see teams denying him paint access much more frequently, thus throwing a monkeywrench in Chicago's offense.

4) They *are* young. Indy is young.... so is Chicago. Neither team has a mountain of playoff experience behind them, so neither is proven at all.

5) Indiana *is* capable of stepping it up for the playoffs. We all know that. They have rarely played to max potential this season, which has been one of the frustrating traits for us this year. But Chicago... like I said, they have been ratcheted up all season; Indy has goofed off. IF Indy decides to get it together and play to potential, it's really not a huge differential in talent between the teams with the exception of DRose, who, like I said, has to be getting tired. Just because a team has the best player in the series doesn't mean they win the series. Watching that guy on the court go 400mph all the time just makes me cringe. You can't do that forever. Don't care how young and superhuman he seems.

My only real concern is what version of the Pacers show up for the series. If we get a half-assed version.... it'll be over. If our A-game shows up, we can do toe-to-toe with anyone in the post-season.


I think you make 4 great points (#5 isn't one of them)and that is why I do not expect the Bulls to get to the NBA Finals even though they have the best record in the east, but the Pacers are not the team that can beat them.

Kid Minneapolis
04-07-2011, 02:54 PM
My point isn't really that we are going to beat them. It's more that Chicago isn't going to win it all. And also that we do have a chance to beat them.

Kid Minneapolis
04-07-2011, 02:56 PM
If I had to choose a team that was going to come out of the East... it's Boston.

Gamble1
04-07-2011, 02:59 PM
I don't see that Jones has the quickness. Maybe back in the 90's when you could hand check

I probably wouldn't even try Jones on him, I would try Rush though. But what is much more important is the team concepts, not who ever is actually guarding him.
I think if he can stay with Chris Paul then he should be able to stay with DRose.

IMO we have to hound DRose a lot with Djones and Brush. Make him work hard for everything and foul him hard in the paint.

IF the refs blow the whistle then make it count and make it known in the first game that this isn't going to be a fun series for the Bulls.

I want to see Drose bruised up after this series win or lose.

sportfireman
04-07-2011, 03:10 PM
Even if he doesn't think they can beat the Celtics, he shouldn't say that kind of stuff. He's supposed to be a leader.

He should stop talking to the media because recently he's made a habit out of putting his foot in his mouth. He'd be better off just not saying anything.

As a leader you should motivate and give confidence to your troops. Even if it seems like a no win situation. You pump them up so they don't go into battle feeling like they've lost before tipoff. I mean Chicago is a team of men that will make mistakes, we could capitalize.... who knows what will happen. A leader leads.... regardless of what or who the opposition is.

Reggie4Three
04-07-2011, 03:13 PM
If I were doing the interview, anytime I was asked about any postseason series it would sound like this:

"Team XYZ is a great team. We're going to keep our focus on winning the next game and hopefully at the end of the series we'll have won 4 games."

No real purpose in handicapping our odds against this opponent rather than another.

Unclebuck
04-07-2011, 03:13 PM
I think if he can stay with Chris Paul then he should be able to stay with DRose.

IMO we have to hound DRose a lot with Djones and Brush. Make him work hard for everything and foul him hard in the paint.

IF the refs blow the whistle then make it count and make it known in the first game that this isn't going to be a fun series for the Bulls.

I want to see Drose bruised up after this series win or lose.


I watched the series and Chris Paul was injured and not his normal self. Plus there were other things wrong with the Hornets that impacted their play. But Jones did a nice job on Paul, but more than that I thought it was the team defense that was the biggest factor.

But OK, if you want to try Jones on Rose, that is OK. In general I tend to not like to cross match - as that causes major problems for a team like the pacers. So I would try to keep our point guards defending Rose as much as possible.,

Sort of reminds me when the Pacers tried Artest on Rip Hamilton or even Wade. Yes Artest defended them better than Reggie could, but it caused other problems on our defense like rebounding and team defense suffered.

Mackey_Rose
04-07-2011, 03:15 PM
As a leader you should motivate and give confidence to your troops. Even if it seems like a no win situation. You pump them up so they don't go into battle feeling like they've lost before tipoff. I mean Chicago is a team of men that will make mistakes, we could capitalize.... who knows what will happen. A leader leads.... regardless of what or who the oppisition is.

Like I said, I interpreted it completely different. The way I interpreted it, that sounds like exactly what he wasn't doing.

I don't know what the context was, or what questions was asked. But minus the context, Danny's quote sounded to me like, "well we sure are hoping to play the Bulls, because we might have a chance against them, but if we have to play Boston or Miami, turn out the lights cause the party's over."

Scot Pollard
04-07-2011, 03:20 PM
its definitely not impossible and its happened before

the 8th seed warriors beat the a 12 loss i think first seed mavericks a few seasons ago

they had a goal and followed it and kept their heads on straight

if we keep this a fun, competitive series and we give the bulls a bit of a scare then ill be more than happy with that like the bucks last season who didnt have much to begin with had a goal set and played their hearts out

Gamble1
04-07-2011, 03:37 PM
I watched the series and Chris Paul was injured and not his normal self. Plus there were other things wrong with the Hornets that impacted their play. But Jones did a nice job on Paul, but more than that I thought it was the team defense that was the biggest factor.

But OK, if you want to try Jones on Rose, that is OK. In general I tend to not like to cross match - as that causes major problems for a team like the pacers. So I would try to keep our point guards defending Rose as much as possible.,

Sort of reminds me when the Pacers tried Artest on Rip Hamilton or even Wade. Yes Artest defended them better than Reggie could, but it caused other problems on our defense like rebounding and team defense suffered.
I think we have to switch it up between Djones and Collison but more importantly our bigs have to put him on his back when he drives into the lane.

Even though Drose will be the best player on the floor I want him to feel like he is the worst physically speaking. For the Pacers to win or lose respectfully we have to make this series a grind for Chicago. Make them loath to play us in the future.

Unclebuck
04-07-2011, 03:47 PM
I think we have to switch it up between Djones and Collison but more importantly our bigs have to put him on his back when he drives into the lane.

Even though Drose will be the best player on the floor I want him to feel like he is the worst physically speaking. For the Pacers to win or lose respectfully we have to make this series a grind for Chicago. Make them loath to play us in the future.


I agree, I just don't think the Pacers are the team that can do it. The Celtics with Perkins and a healthy Garnett, they can do it, but the Pacers, I just don't see it. Either we don't have the experience (Tyler) to pull it off, or the quickness and agility (Roy) to do what needs to be done.

One ting we cannot do is just have two lines of defense against Rose - meaning the point guard or who ever is guarding him and the big guys, but you need a third line of defense from the small forward or second big guy to crowd and shade him into help.

pacers defense isn't smart enough or experienced enough to pull it off.

naptownmenace
04-07-2011, 03:49 PM
Do we even know for a fact that Danny said this? I understand that most members of PD are very accurate when it comes to posting what they heard during an interview. Still, could the OP be misstating what Danny actually said?

Eleazar
04-07-2011, 03:56 PM
When will people learn there is no predicting this seasons Pacers, especially when playing some of the best teams in the league. For all we know they go out and sweep Chicago.

naptownmenace
04-07-2011, 03:59 PM
Ignore my previous post. I found the interview on NBA.com and Danny sho' nuff said that.

He also said that Mike Dunleavy is a good team defender but is a bad on-ball defender. :laugh:

http://www.nba.com/video/channels/nba_tv/2011/04/06/20110406_arenalink_granger.nba/index.html

pacers_heath
04-07-2011, 04:29 PM
What if we started the vets? I think we could absolutely beat them if we did this (not that I think we should). If we started Foster, TJ Ford, Dahntay, Granger and (Tyler - being the only suitable starting PF) with Dunleavy getting a lot of minutes as well I could see us making this a series easily. Especially when you consider we'd have Hibbert, Collison, PG, and McBob coming off the bench to do damage. We seem like a tough and deep team to handle if we took that approach...eh? eh?

They'd be caught totally off guard and Foster and TJ Ford are players that will really surprise people when given the opportunity

notice nowhere was anyone named Posey, James mentioned

Mackey_Rose
04-07-2011, 04:30 PM
What if we started the vets? I think we could absolutely beat them if we did this (not that I think we should). If we started Foster, TJ Ford, Dahntay, Granger and (Tyler - being the only suitable starting PF) with Dunleavy getting a lot of minutes as well I could see us making this a series easily. Especially when you consider we'd have Hibbert, Collison, PG, and McBob coming off the bench to do damage. We seem like a tough and deep team to handle if we took that approach...eh? eh?

eh....

no.

pacers_heath
04-07-2011, 04:34 PM
eh....

no.

well obviously but i think are vets will be useful in this series coming off the bench especially Foster and it's a shame a talented player like TJ Ford will be DNP-CD or not dressed the whole series when he could really make a difference and is easily the most talented PG on the roster

Trophy
04-07-2011, 04:39 PM
Lets make it a good series at least.

I see us winning at least a game.

BringJackBack
04-07-2011, 04:39 PM
I don't see a problem with the comment.

BillS
04-07-2011, 04:40 PM
They'd be caught totally off guard and Foster and TJ Ford are players that will really surprise people when given the opportunity

My 8-month old grandson can really surprise people when given the chance, but I don't like to change it...

pacers_heath
04-07-2011, 04:44 PM
just got off the phone with frank. he loved the idea. he just e-mailed me the starting lineup for the playoffs:

PG - TJ Ford
SG - Mike Dunleavy
C - Jeff Foster
SF - Dahntay Jones
PF - James Posey

He said he really wants to stretch the D so he's planning on revolving the offense around Posey's unique skill set :dance:

edit: sorry guys, Jim O'Brien hacked my account again ... that jim!

TMJ31
04-07-2011, 04:45 PM
Let's not forget our recent game vs the Bulls.

D Rose went absolutely INSANE, and it took him putting up enormous numbers in an incredible 4th quarter run to TIE us and then LOSE TO US in O.T.

Now of course they were missing Boozer, which may or may not have made a difference. At times Roy and our PF core have made opposing bigs look like superheroes, and at times they have very effectively shut them down. So playing the "what if?" game there just makes no sense.

The fact of the matter remains: We took on Chicago with D Rose playing at his absolute BEST, we absorbed all their blows, we took a MAULING from the refs (anyone else still remember all those horrific calls?), and we STILL managed to compose ourselves enough to take the game to O.T. and (most importantly) close them out and get the W.

So I am sorry if I am not just going to lay down and say "yea, we will probably lose the series in 4 or 5 game at the most"

We played these guys TOUGH and came out on top.

Nuff said.

Bring'em on!

IUfan4life
04-07-2011, 04:46 PM
I think we should focus on Deng, Boozer, and all of the role players defesnively. Rose is going to get his, make life miserable for everyone else

TMJ31
04-07-2011, 04:52 PM
I think we should focus on Deng, Boozer, and all of the role players defesnively. Rose is going to get his, make life miserable for everyone else

Couldn't agree more.

This is basically what I said one post earlier.

D Rose can play out of his MIND and we can still beat the Bulls, history shows this.

The key to this series lay on whether Roy / Tyler / Josh can outplay Boozer and Noah, and whether Danny can be the efficient scorer we know he is capable of.

As long as Darren and AJ (and perhaps Dahntay) do everything in their power to make life hard on D Rose and the rest of our squad plays their hearts out to contain the rest of the Bulls, I'll take our odds.

If D Rose is the only guy consistently putting up numbers and we are able to frustrate their front line and shooting guards, we have a good chance at winning games.

D Rose is a MVP level player, but he won't be able to single-handedly win 4 out of 7 games on his offense alone.

Jared Sullinger
04-07-2011, 05:34 PM
How many people here know that Danny Granger is a more efficient scorer than Derrick Rose (superior TS% and eFG%)?

LA_Confidential
04-07-2011, 05:37 PM
I think we should focus on Deng, Boozer, and all of the role players defesnively. Rose is going to get his, make life miserable for everyone else

Wish I could thank this 1 million times.

Rose will get his. We cannot allow the rest of the Bulls to kill us.

vnzla81
04-07-2011, 06:11 PM
They are showing the 7 games series between Chicago and Boston and those young guys from the Bulls give me hope that we can make some noise in the playoffs.

ksuttonjr76
04-07-2011, 10:04 PM
I agree, I just don't think the Pacers are the team that can do it. The Celtics with Perkins and a healthy Garnett, they can do it, but the Pacers, I just don't see it. Either we don't have the experience (Tyler) to pull it off, or the quickness and agility (Roy) to do what needs to be done.

One ting we cannot do is just have two lines of defense against Rose - meaning the point guard or who ever is guarding him and the big guys, but you need a third line of defense from the small forward or second big guy to crowd and shade him into help.

pacers defense isn't smart enough or experienced enough to pull it off.

I swear...you had more confidence in this team when the previous coach was running the show.

ksuttonjr76
04-07-2011, 10:10 PM
Couldn't agree more.

This is basically what I said one post earlier.

D Rose can play out of his MIND and we can still beat the Bulls, history shows this.

The key to this series lay on whether Roy / Tyler / Josh can outplay Boozer and Noah, and whether Danny can be the efficient scorer we know he is capable of.

As long as Darren and AJ (and perhaps Dahntay) do everything in their power to make life hard on D Rose and the rest of our squad plays their hearts out to contain the rest of the Bulls, I'll take our odds.

If D Rose is the only guy consistently putting up numbers and we are able to frustrate their front line and shooting guards, we have a good chance at winning games.

D Rose is a MVP level player, but he won't be able to single-handedly win 4 out of 7 games on his offense alone.

Ask Lebron how that worked out for him against Orlando...personally, I like our chances against Chicago.

Trophy
04-07-2011, 10:17 PM
I think we should focus on Deng, Boozer, and all of the role players defesnively. Rose is going to get his, make life miserable for everyone else

I agree 100%.

We were able to contain the rest of the Bulls players pretty well in our OT win.

Yes we have to defend Rose like crazy, but he'll have the ability to find open players if he's being trapped.

Unclebuck
04-07-2011, 10:32 PM
I swear...you had more confidence in this team when the previous coach was running the show.


The playoffs are different from the regular season and the Pacers never were in the playoffs during the time he was coaching, so I don't know how you would know whether I would have had more confidence in the previous coach

Unclebuck
04-07-2011, 10:34 PM
I think we should focus on Deng, Boozer, and all of the role players defesnively. Rose is going to get his, make life miserable for everyone else


If you truly did that, Rose would get a layup anytime he wanted. he is like pne of the besr running back of all time

Having said that you can decide to play Rose really aggresively, like double team him whenver he gets across midcourt and double him hard on all pick and rolls, wall him off on all penetration - or you can play him a little more straight up, but that is not letting rose get his, because if you do that he can get 60. He can get by Collison every time, and you have to send help then

Unclebuck
04-07-2011, 10:37 PM
How many people here know that Danny Granger is a more efficient scorer than Derrick Rose (superior TS% and eFG%)?

That does mean much when the Pacers end the season with 38 wins and the Bulls are sitting there with 60 wins. And it won't mean much when Rose receives the league MVP trophy.

Beyond that Rose has a significantly larger impact on his team than granger even begins to have

ksuttonjr76
04-07-2011, 11:23 PM
The playoffs are different from the regular season and the Pacers never were in the playoffs during the time he was coaching, so I don't know how you would know whether I would have had more confidence in the previous coach

Well judging by your last three posts after mine and in other threads...the Bulls are capable of handling anything and everything we throw at them, and IF we win...the Bulls were having a bad game. Plus, it's the playoffs. Regular season wins doesn't matter anymore.

Correct if I'm wrong.

IUfan4life
04-07-2011, 11:26 PM
If you truly did that, Rose would get a layup anytime he wanted. he is like pne of the besr running back of all time

Having said that you can decide to play Rose really aggresively, like double team him whenver he gets across midcourt and double him hard on all pick and rolls, wall him off on all penetration - or you can play him a little more straight up, but that is not letting rose get his, because if you do that he can get 60. He can get by Collison every time, and you have to send help then

That's fine. let's see how it works. It has never been done to the extent that you are talking about. What do we have to lose.

Jared Sullinger
04-07-2011, 11:30 PM
That does mean much when the Pacers end the season with 38 wins and the Bulls are sitting there with 60 wins. And it won't mean much when Rose receives the league MVP trophy.

Beyond that Rose has a significantly larger impact on his team than granger even begins to have

Yes, I realize all of this. I just wanted to point it out to people who act as if Derrick Rose is some unstoppable scoring machine and Danny is some lowbrow chucker who hurts us.

Rose─a point guard─takes four more shots per-game than Danny, and he does so while having an inferior TS% (.544 vs. .554) and eFG% (.480 vs. .487).

ksuttonjr76
04-07-2011, 11:58 PM
Game # 1
http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=301213004
No Danny Granger. Hansbrough, George, and Foster were DNP-CD while Posey had 33 minutes had the PF spot. Chicago had their full squad. Final score 92-73, Bulls win.

Game # 2
http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=310114011
This game I can say that Chicago just outright whupped us, BUT Josh McRoberts only played 4 minutes while racking up 4 DNP-CD before that game. Chicago had their full squad. Final score 86-99.

Game # 3
http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=310129004
THE GAME that got JOB fired. Personally, I feel that JOB coached this game to the loss, so he could get fired. The decisions that JOB was making in this game were not making any sense. No Tyler, but Chicago had a full squad. Josh had 3 DNP-CD, and only played the Bulls and Nets games, because Tyler had pneumonia. Final score 89-110


Game #4
http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=310318011
Ahhh...this is where it gets interesting. The starting 5 have played 5 games with each other. Before that point, the players individually have been getting consistent minutes, and playing their intended roles. The Pacers survived a 42 point from Rose to win the game. However, Boozer didn't play this game. Final score 115-108 (OT).

Personally, I like our chances against the Bulls, and I don't expect Rose to score 40+ points in each game.

EDIT: Looking at the box scores, the X-Factor seems to be Roy Hibbert. In the losses, Hibbert had 6, 2, and 2 points while basically being a non-factor. If a recall, Hibbert was having confidence issues during those particular games. If Hibbert and Hansbrough play to their talents, then Chicago will not be able to stop us. ESPECIALLY, if Tyler gets Noah into foul trouble.

MagicRat
04-08-2011, 01:14 AM
Do we even know for a fact that Danny said this? I understand that most members of PD are very accurate when it comes to posting what they heard during an interview. Still, could the OP be misstating what Danny actually said?


I'm usually very accurate when it comes to these things and I'm pretty sure he said "The Bulls smell like dead donkeys."

timid
04-08-2011, 09:26 AM
http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=608696

BPump33
04-08-2011, 10:00 AM
http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=608696

Wow, even if a lot (or most) of what they are saying is true. That thread really p*sses me off.

timid
04-08-2011, 10:19 AM
Wow, even if a lot (or most) of what they are saying is true. That thread really p*sses me off.

lol, me too...The Granger comment really pissed them off too, haha...I don't know why they'd take it so personal.. They're the one seed, they're supposed to win the series.

daschysta
04-08-2011, 11:23 AM
Bulls fans have been arrogant since the MJ days.

Unfortunately Thibs is too good a coach to allow the bulls to take the pacers as lightly as their fans do.

Also rose is highly motivated, and tends to take things personally. He felt cheated by our last victory, and he's going to come at us 110 percent.

The first game may be ugly, but I think we can compete beyond then.

Hell, Danny isn't wrong.

Don't start with the "don't **** them off" thing. They are a 1 seed, if they actually needed this motivation to beat the pacers than they aren't as good as their record indicates anyway. I expect my team to be confident, it isn't like Danny made a "guaransheed" about our victory, he stated that we have a chance, and qualified that belief with a perfectly reasonable (and true) assertion. The bulls as a team are no more experienced winning in the playoffs than we are really, only kurt thomas, jeff foster, and james posey have major deep playoff run experience on either team. Plus we have nothing to lose anyhow, and i'd rather go down confident and swinging than swooning in awe at the bulls.

BPump33
04-08-2011, 11:26 AM
Bulls fans have been arrogant since the MJ days.

Unfortunately Thibs is too good a coach to allow the bulls to take the pacers as lightly as their fans do.

Also rose is highly motivated, and tends to take things personally. He felt cheated by our last victory, and he's going to come at us 110 percent.

The first game may be ugly, but I think we can compete beyond then.

I walked out of that game feeling more cheated than I ever have as an NBA fan, other than the 4pt play of course. I don't understand how he felt cheated.

daschysta
04-08-2011, 11:29 AM
I walked out of that game feeling more cheated than I ever have as an NBA fan, other than the 4pt play of course. I don't understand how he felt cheated.

I agree, but there were quotes indicating that he felt like the bulls should have won after all that, and laughably he believed that the refs actually MISSED some fouls committed against him int he fourth. Which is ludicrous, but he'll surely remember none the less.

Maybe cheated wasn't the right word, but he surely left the game with a bad taste in his mouth, plus we spoiled the bulls chance to set a record by being undefeated in their division.

And the bulls fans were ridiculously insufferable after that game, obviously siding with rose's point of view.

BPump33
04-08-2011, 11:29 AM
I agree, but there were quotes indicating that he felt like the bulls should have won after all that, and laughably he believed that the refs actually MISSED some fouls committed against him int he fourth. Which is ludicrous, but he'll surely remember none the less.

Maybe cheated wasn't the right word, but he surely left the game with a bad taste in his mouth, plus we spoiled the bulls chance to set a record by being undefeated in their division.

I wasn't disagreeing with you, just him.

daschysta
04-08-2011, 11:32 AM
I wasn't disagreeing with you, just him.

It's just hilarious, the motivation someone can take from believing that they should have got 30 or so free throws instead of "just" 21.

ksuttonjr76
04-08-2011, 07:41 PM
http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=608696

Derrick Rose is good, but he's not Jordan. The fans have some pretty high expectations of Rose. However, there was one comment that really made the most sense to me....


Hey there Bulls fans, pacer fan here.

As far as grangers comment, he didn't predict victory, just said that we have a shot, and went on to call the bulls inexperienced.

You can't exactly expect him to say "we're going to get crushed we have no hope" and the bulls ARE inexperienced, which is why your awesome record is so impressive and rose is the top MVP candidate imo.

You guys shouldn't underestimate our team however, the team we have now isn't the same team you guys owned while jim o'brien was coaching. We play completely different offensive basketball under frank vogel, focusing on driving to the hoop and feeding off of our front line, instead of chucking quick threes, which was JOB's philosophy.

JOB lost the team after the first 20 games and ran us into the ground. He actually fired after the 3rd game against chicago. since vogel has taken over the pacers have been over .500 (19-16) and have beat the celtics as well as the bulls. This record is also a bit deceiving due to some chemistry problems lance stephenson caused when inserted experimentally into the lineup that corresponded with some bad losses against teams like Minny, and Sacramento. we ARE a better team than the 36 wins would indicate for this reason.

We're also incredibly young, which accounts for alot of inconsistency, however the inconsistency goes both ways, we've beat almost every elite team in the league (LA and Miami on the road, Boston, Chicago, Dallas and played others very close) but also lost to some bottom feeders (detroit sacto, minny)

We start two second year players (hansbrough is really basically a rook after sitting most of last year out though) A rookie in paul george, and the 23 year old hibbert who is still learning the center position. Our core is among the youngest in the league, but it is talented, and when all cylinders are firing they can put up a fight in any given game vs. anyone.

You guys are absolutely better, but I think this series goes 5 or 6, the bulls are young too, and aren't above a letdown or two, especially away from the united center, where they have been nigh unbeatable.

You guy are welcome to discuss the series and anything else respectfully on the biggest pacers fan-board if you wish (www.pacersdigest.com) We'd love to have you, and wish you a entertaining (and hopefully long :wink series.

EDIT also lol OT: lilojmayo, your from the ****** boards right? What did you think about the pacers almost acquiring OJ at the deadline. He'd really get a chance to thrive in Indy imo. How would you feel about the pacers picking him up from memphis in the offseason?

I love the above points.

Taterhead
04-08-2011, 09:06 PM
He should feel that way. I don't view that as bulletin board material at all.

IndyPacer
04-09-2011, 01:34 AM
I expect Chicago to win, but I don't see it as being so lopsided that the Pacers have to be blown out every game. Some of our players have really underachieved on both ends, but especially on defense. If the Pacers put in the effort on defense for a change and pass the ball around, it could be a pretty good series. If Indiana continues to slack on defense, it could get ugly for us.

I'm hoping it's a great series. I'll be interested to see if anyone on this young team steps up when the pressure is on.

neosmndrew
04-09-2011, 01:37 AM
This is far from trash talk. Wasn't it noah who said "cleveland sucks" last year or something? I think if we win one game we should be confident with ourselves going forward. Saying that we have a shot is good for team confidence, and thats really all a young team needs.

Infinite MAN_force
04-09-2011, 10:10 AM
How many people here know that Danny Granger is a more efficient scorer than Derrick Rose (superior TS% and eFG%)?

That is very interesting, especially considering Danny is having a down year percentage wise. Lets hope he brings some playoff cojones and hits some big shots this series.

Sollozzo
04-09-2011, 10:14 AM
I'm expecting big things from Danny this series. For all practical purposes, this is the first true playoff series of his career as he was just a rookie when we last made it. I think at times the losing over the past few years has worn on him and that's translated to the court, but that's not going to be an issue now. I'm expecting some of his best ball yet. He's been an all-star once, but if he has a great series against Chicago he will really start to get some national cred and you know he knows that.

I don't think we're going to be a push-over by any means. The Bulls are virgins to playoff success as well. For that reason alone, I'd rather play them than Boston or Miami (while the Heat team is new, Wade and 'Bron have still made the Finals before).

kellogg
04-09-2011, 11:17 AM
Hope they do pull off a stunning upset, but the realist in me made me wonder if Brandon wasn't sharing something with Danny when he said that...and he inhaled.

yoadknux
04-09-2011, 12:29 PM
Coach Vogel last night, postgame reaction:

"We know our guys are capable. We're capable of beating them. We think we can win."
http://www.nba.com/pacers/video/2011/04/08/110408vogelpostgameflv-1642756/index.html

You gonna flame him now too?

Hicks
04-09-2011, 01:24 PM
I think this will be more contested of a series than most outsiders will think. I'm undecided if that will translate to more than a single win or not, but I'm expecting the games to be close. The only one that might be a let down is game 1, and that's only if the Bulls come out red hot.

I think we've become a .500+ caliber team, even though the overall season record won't reflect that. I think we've improved a bit, and our offensive style is certainly (IMO) more conducive to winning in the Vogel era.

ksuttonjr76
04-09-2011, 01:47 PM
I think this will be more contested of a series than most outsiders will think. I'm undecided if that will translate to more than a single win or not, but I'm expecting the games to be close. The only one that might be a let down is game 1, and that's only if the Bulls come out red hot.

I think we've become a .500+ caliber team, even though the overall season record won't reflect that. I think we've improved a bit, and our offensive style is certainly (IMO) more conducive to winning in the Vogel era.

20-16 under Vogel.

idioteque
04-09-2011, 02:06 PM
People who act like Danny saying what he did is a big deal need to take a step back into Pacers lore. I remember back in the days of yore when Chuck Person opined that he could dominate Larry Bird in the playoffs. This was back at the time where the Pacers had something like 1 playoff win in their entire NBA history while the Celtics had won like 16 titles. Of course Reggie took up this mantle after Chuck left.

The Pacers throughout history have been the David to several different Goliaths, but they've never been quiet about it and endured the punishment. I don't mind the guys talking a little trash.

I don't expect the Pacers to beat the Bulls, but I at least want them to play them really hard and make them sweat more than a little bit. The history of the franchise at least necessitates that we don't go out there and get embarrassed. Play hard, make the other team earn it, and hit 'em where it hurts over and over again. If the Bulls win the series, which they probably will, I want them to at least look back at the season thinking their victory in the first round was harder than their victory in the second round. Make them remember you and dread that first regular season game next year when revenge will be on Indy's mind. Raise some eyebrows of those free agents, maybe they'll think they could be that guy that takes us to the next level next year and the potential for success deep in the playoffs lays right in the heart of basketball country. Make the fans proud. Get 'er done.

mattie
04-09-2011, 02:17 PM
People who act like Danny saying what he did is a big deal need to take a step back into Pacers lore. I remember back in the days of yore when Chuck Person opined that he could dominate Larry Bird in the playoffs. This was back at the time where the Pacers had something like 1 playoff win in their entire NBA history while the Celtics had won like 16 titles. Of course Reggie took up this mantle after Chuck left.

The Pacers throughout history have been the David to several different Goliaths, but they've never been quiet about it and endured the punishment. I don't mind the guys talking a little trash.

I don't expect the Pacers to beat the Bulls, but I at least want them to play them really hard and make them sweat more than a little bit. The history of the franchise at least necessitates that we don't go out there and get embarrassed. Play hard, make the other team earn it, and hit 'em where it hurts over and over again. If the Bulls win the series, which they probably will, I want them to at least look back at the season thinking their victory in the first round was harder than their victory in the second round. Make them remember you and dread that first regular season game next year when revenge will be on Indy's mind. Raise some eyebrows of those free agents, maybe they'll think they could be that guy that takes us to the next level next year and the potential for success deep in the playoffs lays right in the heart of basketball country. Make the fans proud. Get 'er done.

RT

neosmndrew
04-09-2011, 02:21 PM
Best case scenario for me is to push the series to at least 6 games. Remember Atlanta 3 years ago? They pushed Boston to 7 and now are a perennial playoff team despite adding very few pieces (basically just Crawford, plus they lost Childress). It cannot be overstated how good a position the off-season cap space puts the pacers in. However, all the cap space in the world can't buy playoff experience.

I think Granger realizes this. He is saying this to motivate HIS team. Like everyone said, Chicago does not need motivation to beat us- they are a significantly better team that is at the end of a building process we are in the middle of. Getting confidence from taking the series to 6 or 7 plus adding some good talent in the off season = contender (or at least a consistent playoff team) in 2 or 3 years

Eleazar
04-09-2011, 03:05 PM
I don't think saying, "we think we can win" is at all bad or at all bulletin board material. Every single team and player, at least to the public, is going to say that. It is pretty much standard fare. Bulletin board material is saying, "We are going to kick the **** out of the Bulls". Trust me the Bulls already know the Pacers can beat them if they don't bring their A game. Just look at their last game, despite Rose having one of his best games of the year the Pacers still won, and would most likely have won in regulation if the refs called the foul at the end of the game. Except for Orlando we have given all of the top seeds problems. They know the Pacers have the ability to beat them if they don't play their best every night.

TheDon
04-09-2011, 03:11 PM
I may be wrong but I think we'll see a very different and dangerous Danny in the playoffs

pacer4ever
04-09-2011, 03:17 PM
I may be wrong but I think we'll see a very different and dangerous Danny in the playoffs

I may be wrong but we will see a different level of defense from the Bulls in the playoffs specifly Drose. Deng and Noah are great defenders so is Ronnie Brewer.

daschysta
04-09-2011, 03:19 PM
I may be wrong but we will see a different level of defense from the Bulls in the playoffs specifly Drose. Deng and Noah are great defenders so is Ronnie Brewer.

The bulls certainly don't give off the impression of coasting, i'm quite certain they've been going near all out. They aren't the vet squad like boston that's developed another "gear" that they shift into in the playoffs yet. They've been playing their hearts out all year.

BPump33
04-09-2011, 03:20 PM
I may be wrong but we will see a different level of defense from the Bulls in the playoffs specifly Drose. Deng and Noah are great defenders so is Ronnie Brewer.

Do you have to p*ss in everyone's cereal? Jerk. ;)

tflo
04-09-2011, 03:21 PM
I may be wrong but I think we'll see a very different and dangerous Danny in the playoffs

I think you are right my friend.

ilive4sports
04-09-2011, 04:47 PM
The bulls certainly don't give off the impression of coasting, i'm quite certain they've been going near all out. They aren't the vet squad like boston that's developed another "gear" that they shift into in the playoffs yet. They've been playing their hearts out all year.

I tend to agree with this. Thibodeau isn't really the type of coach to let his team, especially a somewhat young one like Chicago, coast on defense. They aren't experienced enough to know how to turn on that switch in the playoffs IMO.

And about Danny, I certainly think we will see very passionate player who will most certainly give it his all. He's waited quite awhile to get back into the playoffs.

JonnyB83
04-09-2011, 09:57 PM
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Why not? I know it was only a 5 game series but that's only 1 more win.
Those Sonics were 63-19 and the Nuggets were 42-40. Not exactly the same records as the Bulls and Pacers but not far off.
It'll take a great effort on the Pacers part but that's why they play the games. I believe!!

Jared Sullinger
04-09-2011, 10:31 PM
Let's not forget that 42-40 Golden State knocked off 67-15 Dallas just four years ago.

JonnyB83
04-09-2011, 10:35 PM
I couldn't think of a memerable picture like Dikembe from that GS Dallas series, so I went with the Nuggets comparison

IndyProdigy
04-11-2011, 02:42 AM
If the Pacers were a decent team capable of winning a playoff series in the Eastern Conference they would have a better seed than 8th.
say that to the baron davis led warriors a few years back when they beat the mavericks

IndyProdigy
04-11-2011, 02:44 AM
I may be wrong but I think we'll see a very different and dangerous Danny in the playoffs

i think we see the REAL PSYCHO T

ilive4sports
04-11-2011, 02:46 AM
say that to the baron davis led warriors a few years back when they beat the mavericks

To be fair that team did win 42 games in a tough Western conference. If we were to upset the Bulls, I believe it would be a bigger upset.

Peck
04-11-2011, 04:06 AM
To be fair that team did win 42 games in a tough Western conference. If we were to upset the Bulls, I believe it would be a bigger upset.

I'll go so far as to say that if we upset the Bulls it would probably be the biggest upset in the history of the NBA.

Dallas was soft and everyboyd knew it.

Seattle outside the glove & Rainman didn't have an overabundance of talent and Mutumbo never got enough credit that year.

Peck
04-11-2011, 04:09 AM
I may be wrong but we will see a different level of defense from the Bulls in the playoffs specifly Drose. Deng and Noah are great defenders so is Ronnie Brewer.

Michael Jordan was a great defender, Gary Payton was a great defender, Koby Bryant is a great defender.

Ronnie Brewer is not a great defender.

rexnom
04-11-2011, 04:10 AM
I don't think it would be the biggest upset in NBA history because the Bulls have concrete weaknesses that reek of potential upset. I don't think we're good enough to upset them but I definitely think Orlando could.

D-BONE
04-11-2011, 06:59 AM
Michael Jordan was a great defender, Gary Payton was a great defender, Koby Bryant is a great defender.

Ronnie Brewer is not a great defender.

I'll give him good, but definitely not great.

D-BONE
04-11-2011, 07:05 AM
I may be wrong but I think we'll see a very different and dangerous Danny in the playoffs

I'm very interested to see how DG plays in this series. First playoff series as a starter and with the pressure of being the team leader.

Unclebuck
04-11-2011, 08:32 AM
Coach Vogel last night, postgame reaction:

"We know our guys are capable. We're capable of beating them. We think we can win."
http://www.nba.com/pacers/video/2011/04/08/110408vogelpostgameflv-1642756/index.html

You gonna flame him now too?


Please - yes I expect the coach to say that and believe that. It is his job to say it and believe it. if a coach cannot instill confidence in his guys going into a playoff series, then he's a terrible coach.

That doesn't mean the fans have to be unrealistic

yoadknux
04-11-2011, 09:27 AM
Please - yes I expect the coach to say that and believe that. It is his job to say it and believe it. if a coach cannot instill confidence in his guys going into a playoff series, then he's a terrible coach.

That doesn't mean the fans have to be unrealistic
What I meant is, people here were mad at Granger for saying it, but Vogel said pretty much the same thing and no one said anything

MagicRat
04-11-2011, 09:34 AM
http://www.indystar.com/article/20110411/SPORTS04/104110316/Pacers-coaches-already-looking-Bulls?odyssey=mod|newswell|text|IndyStar.com|s (http://www.indystar.com/article/20110411/SPORTS04/104110316/Pacers-coaches-already-looking-Bulls?odyssey=mod%7Cnewswell%7Ctext%7CIndyStar.com %7Cs)

Written by Mike Wells (mike.wells@indystar.com)
mike.wells@indystar.com

Forward Danny Granger said he prefers to face the Bulls over Boston in the playoffs.

"Boston's a different monster," he said. "They don't have the best record in the East, but they won championships; they know how to do it. They have four, five guys you have to worry about.

"Chicago, they go as Derrick Rose goes. If you make a concerted effort to stop Derrick Rose, you have a better chance to beat them."