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90'sNBARocked
04-05-2011, 02:39 PM
Cain in New Zealand:
What are the chances that Darren Collison and Paul George can become an All-Star back-court in a couple of years?

Bill Ingram:
Collison has an awful lot of competition at point guard in the East, but it's not out of the question. Paul is just starting to show us what he can do, so at this point the sky is the limit. It might be time to trade Granger and let youth be served . . .Danny would pull some nice talent. That earlier question about Houston and Rashard Lewis . . .no, but they'd LOVE to have Granger and they have some nice pieces to offer in trade.



Cain in New Zealand:
Who and what could the Pacers acquire for Danny Granger? Would Houston or Dallas be a good trade partner?

Jason Fleming:
Granger isn't on the market. Indy values him higher than any team trading for him would, so a deal would never be consummated.

Whether or not that's the best approach for Indy is debatable, but it is their approach.

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I dont know about the salaries but would you consider a trade of say :

Kevin Martin, Patrick Patterson, and a number 1 for Granger/Rush?

Infinite MAN_force
04-05-2011, 02:52 PM
It would make a whole lot more sense to me to bring in a player like Kevin Martin to play with Granger as opposed to swapping them. That just feels like a lateral move.

90'sNBARocked
04-05-2011, 02:59 PM
What about the pick? (Rockets appear headed for the lottery)

and I really think Pattrick Patterson will be a stud!

vnzla81
04-05-2011, 03:15 PM
It would make a whole lot more sense to me to bring in a player like Kevin Martin to play with Granger as opposed to swapping them. That just feels like a lateral move.

KM and Danny would make one of the most horrible defensive duos in the NBA.

Infinite MAN_force
04-05-2011, 03:21 PM
KM and Danny would make one of the most horrible defensive duos in the NBA.

KM is certainly terrible. Granger is not as bad as his rep around here suggests, his defensive intensity just kinda comes and goes.

I would like to see how Danny plays with another wing scorer taking some pressure off him, I think you might see a refocused Danny on the defensive end. He has the ability to play near elite defense when he wants to.

pacergod2
04-05-2011, 03:22 PM
I think Houston is a great trade partner.

I, however, want NOTHING to do with bringing Kevin Martin here. He can score, I will give you that, but between injuries, his size, and the way he plays the game, it would be a bigger risk than it is worth for his contract. I think he is good, but given our direction and cap space, Kevin Martin is not the way I want to use it, especially if we are trading Granger.

I would want any package for Granger centered around Jordan Hill. Extremely athletic PF/C. I think his athleticism would be good for Hibbert and I think Hibbert's offensive game takes pressure off of him to be a scorer. I think he would give us tremendous versatility in the front court. They give him inconsistent minutes in Houston as it stands, but I think something involving him, Courtney Lee or Chase Buddinger, and either Thabeet or Miller. We would probably consider it. We may have to include a guy like Price for Dragic to make rosters and salaries work. Depending on how much the front office values some of the filler, we may ask for a first round draft pick or two, since they have an abundance of them.

As an example:

Granger and Price for Hill, Lee, Dragic, and Thabeet.

PG - Lowry, Price
SG - Martin, Williams
SF - Granger, Buddinger
PF - Scola, Patterson
C - Miller, Hayes

PG - Collison, Dragic, Stephenson
SG - Lee, Rush
SF - George, Jones, Posey
PF - Hill, Hansborough
C - Hibbert, Thabeet

This is just an example of the type of deal that would be appropriate for a guy like Granger and what we would target in return to fill the roster. I think Granger would be a great fit in Houston with their starting lineup. He helps them spread the floor, which is something they definitely could use. I also think that we would end up following this deal up with another involving Posey's expiring or look to buy him out, so he can go play for a contender and we save a couple million. We bring in quality people with this deal, which is important for our franchise as well.

I am not trying to make this a trade thread, but I have long considered trading Granger to Houston, because he fits their roster and I think their GM and owner would be willing to pony up for him.

Unclebuck
04-05-2011, 03:47 PM
One of the most critical decisions the pacers franchise faces is whether danny and George can play together or whether the team will be better by trading one of the two to acquire needed talent.

No one knows the answer at this point yet, and may not for a couple of years.

90'sNBARocked
04-05-2011, 04:18 PM
I think Houston is a great trade partner.

I, however, want NOTHING to do with bringing Kevin Martin here. He can score, I will give you that, but between injuries, his size, and the way he plays the game, it would be a bigger risk than it is worth for his contract. I think he is good, but given our direction and cap space, Kevin Martin is not the way I want to use it, especially if we are trading Granger.

I would want any package for Granger centered around Jordan Hill. Extremely athletic PF/C. I think his athleticism would be good for Hibbert and I think Hibbert's offensive game takes pressure off of him to be a scorer. I think he would give us tremendous versatility in the front court. They give him inconsistent minutes in Houston as it stands, but I think something involving him, Courtney Lee or Chase Buddinger, and either Thabeet or Miller. We would probably consider it. We may have to include a guy like Price for Dragic to make rosters and salaries work. Depending on how much the front office values some of the filler, we may ask for a first round draft pick or two, since they have an abundance of them.

As an example:

Granger and Price for Hill, Lee, Dragic, and Thabeet.

PG - Lowry, Price
SG - Martin, Williams
SF - Granger, Buddinger
PF - Scola, Patterson
C - Miller, Hayes

PG - Collison, Dragic, Stephenson
SG - Lee, Rush
SF - George, Jones, Posey
PF - Hill, Hansborough
C - Hibbert, Thabeet

This is just an example of the type of deal that would be appropriate for a guy like Granger and what we would target in return to fill the roster. I think Granger would be a great fit in Houston with their starting lineup. He helps them spread the floor, which is something they definitely could use. I also think that we would end up following this deal up with another involving Posey's expiring or look to buy him out, so he can go play for a contender and we save a couple million. We bring in quality people with this deal, which is important for our franchise as well.

I am not trying to make this a trade thread, but I have long considered trading Granger to Houston, because he fits their roster and I think their GM and owner would be willing to pony up for him.

What do you think of Patrick Patterson?

I would love to grab him

BornReady
04-05-2011, 04:52 PM
What do you think of Patrick Patterson?

I would love to grab him

I think Patrick Patterson could replace Carl Landry on a lot of our wishlists :)

90'sNBARocked
04-05-2011, 05:04 PM
I think both Patterson and Davis look like future studs

CableKC
04-05-2011, 07:54 PM
It would make a whole lot more sense to me to bring in a player like Kevin Martin to play with Granger as opposed to swapping them. That just feels like a lateral move.
From a purely offensive level...yes, I'd love to get a Player like Kevin Martin ( he's a highly efficient scorer )....but from what many posters have said and what I have heard from Grant Napier ( an NBA Beat Reporter for the Kings )....his defense is so bad that he's actually a detrement to the Team that he's on.

I'm not exaggerating here...his defense is really bad.

So...pass.

CableKC
04-05-2011, 07:58 PM
The only players that I am interested in that the Rockets have is TWill, Scola and Patterson.

Unfortunately, the only asset that many will be willing to part with is BRush...which is a Player that the Rockets would have ZERO interest in given the platoon of Wing Players they have.

PacerDude
04-05-2011, 08:41 PM
One of the most critical decisions the pacers franchise faces is whether danny and George can play together or whether the team will be better by trading one of the two to acquire needed talent.

No one knows the answer at this point yet, and may not for a couple of years.
Maybe another Chuck Person - Reggie Miller situation ??

pacergod2
04-06-2011, 12:06 PM
I really like Patrick Patterson, but I have heard they have become more enamored with him recently. His playing time has really picked up.

He has an NBA body. He knows the game. He is a solid passer, and a really good rebounder. He has a back to the basket offensive game. He is versatile enough that he can step out and hit the longer jumpers. I would love to bring him in, but the Rockets probably wouldn't want to give up both young bigs. I think Patterson would challenge Hansborough to start and Hansborough's toughness and non-stop motor will only help Patterson improve.

Houston has a lot of good young players on its roster. They have done a tremendous job scouting talent. I would love to have several of them on our roster. We are challenged right now with a lot of depth and little topside talent. I think many of these players could develop into very good players and starters on most teams. With Houston needing to fill a hole at SF and being in the West, and our roster being full of guys between 21-25, I think we ought to consider trading Danny to Houston. I would want three or four young prospects back, though. Hill, Patterson and Lee would be a hell of a start. We would then have a bit of a road block with playign time and would have to probably make another trade where we send three or four guys for one player just to free up time.

It is something to consider for sure.

90'sNBARocked
04-06-2011, 12:33 PM
Which begs the question

Are the Rockets more apdt to traade Scola or Patterson?

CableKC
04-06-2011, 01:45 PM
Which begs the question

Are the Rockets more apdt to traade Scola or Patterson?
I'd guess that since they are VERY thin in the Frontcourt...the answer is "not at a price that we can afford to pay".

90'sNBARocked
04-06-2011, 02:36 PM
I like PG suggestion of Lee, Hill, Patterson, No1, for Granger /Rush

Isaac
04-06-2011, 02:58 PM
Jordan Hill is terrible, why in the world would anyone want to center a granger trade around him. Patterson and a pick is probably what Houston would offer. It would be decent value, but I'd pass.

Kevin Martin is a bad defender, but he is wildly underrated here. Every time he's mentioned, its no more than two or three posts before someone mentions how terrible his defense is and how they want no part of him. He is still one of the best offensive players in the league, and is as good as they get at creating his own shot, the Pacers most glaring weakness right now. Don't fool yourself in to thinking you can get Martin, Patterson and a pick for Danny. Houston would likely reject a Danny for Martin trade straight up.

Trophy
04-06-2011, 03:16 PM
I wouldn't trade Danny just to trade him.

We can get so much more for him than someone like Jordan Hill from Houston.

Even for Patrick Patterson, we can probably still get some more value.

90'sNBARocked
04-06-2011, 04:44 PM
I agree thats why I suggested

Patterson, Martin, No 1 for Granger and Rush

pacergod2
04-06-2011, 05:43 PM
Isaac, Kevin Martin is wildly overrated across the general NBA fan base. He is not that good. Guys like him that are three or four inches shorter are a dime a dozen in this league. I wouldn't pay Kevin Martin the contract he has right now, solely based on his injury history. He is thin and plays a tough, rugged type of game. He gets into the lane well. He finishes pretty well, but he also takes a pounding with the fouls he takes. He is a terrific shooter. He is fragile and has shown a history of injuries. I wouldn't want to bring him back in a trade for Granger. Outside of trading Granger for him, I wouldn't be upset if we traded for him, as long as we have Granger here too. It has more to do with the direction of the team and not as much the player IMO.

As for Hill, yes he is raw fundamentally. He has improved dramatically since coming into the league. He still has a ways to go. The guy is a legit 6'10" and jumps out of the building. The kid never really learned a lot of the fundamentals to optimize his talent because he was too athletic for it to matter. I did not like him in the draft as a really high pick, because it was based so much on potential. Now that he has been traded for cap space, I think his value has come down and would be a good time to pick up another athletic front court player who rebounds, blocks shots, and is really getting a handle of the game. Hill can play some center, which I think is important for him if he is coming off the bench. I think we could allow him to get better and give him more minutes than Houston can.

I would not do this deal for Granger without getting four or five assets in return, between picks and young players. I really like Patterson's and Lee's games. They would be terrific additions. Also Thabeet I am not in love with, but hell, to bring him in as a backup center he may develop into something. I wouldn't focus the deal solely around Thabeet though. If the deal is anything less than Hill, Patterson, and Lee (and probably a first) I would be furious about trading Granger.

I guess I am not advocating trading Danny, I am just having a discussion as to the possibilities of the OP, being whether or not Houston is a great trade destination for Granger.

QuickRelease
04-06-2011, 06:35 PM
Which begs the question

Are the Rockets more apdt to traade Scola or Patterson?Scola