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avoidingtheclowns
04-03-2011, 05:32 PM
HOPE QUINNTHOLOGY<br>IS NOWHERE NEAR<br>NOLA'S BENCH


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Game Time Start: 7:00 PM EST
Where: New Orleans Arena, New Orleans, LA
Officials: M. McCutchen, E. Dalen, T. Washington

Media Notes: Indiana Notes (http://www.nba.com/pacers/news/notes.pdf), New Orleans Notes (http://www.nba.com/hornets/news/notes.pdf)
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<TABLE border=0 bordercolor=black cellspacing="0" cellpadding="10"><TR><TD align="top"><TABLE border=2 bordercolor=black><TR><TH bgColor=#003366 colSpan=3>Season Records: (W-L)</TH></TR>
<TR><TD>:xpacers:</TD><TD align="middle" width="70"><CENTER>35-42</CENTER></TD><TD align="middle" width="100"><CENTER>(Away: 13-26)</CENTER></TD></TR><TR><TD>:hornets:</TD><td align="middle" width="70"><CENTER>43-33</center></TD><TD align="middle" width="100"><CENTER>(Home: 25-12)</CENTER></TD></TR></TABLE></TD>

<TD valign="bottom"><TABLE border=2 bordercolor=black><TR><TH bgColor=#003366 colSpan=4>Upcoming Games:</TH></TR><TR><TD><CENTER>Apr 6</CENTER></TD><TD><CENTER>Apr 8</CENTER></TD><TD><CENTER>Apr 10</CENTER></TD><TD><CENTER>Apr 13</CENTER></TD></TR><TR><TD>vs :wizards:</TD><TD>vs :hawks:</TD><TD>vs :knicks:</TD><TD>at :magic:</TD></TR><TR><TD><CENTER>7:00 pm</CENTER></TD><TD><CENTER>7:00 pm</CENTER></TD><TD><CENTER>7:00 pm</CENTER></TD><TD><CENTER>8:00 pm</CENTER></TD></TR></TABLE></TD></TR></TABLE>

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http://www.nba.com/tvc/image/assets/wordmarks/IND_wordmark.png Projected Starting Lineup:</TH><TR><TD align=middle width=90><CENTER>C</CENTER></TD><TD align=middle width=90><CENTER>PF</CENTER></TD><TD align=middle width=90><CENTER>SF</CENTER></TD><TD align=middle width=90><CENTER>SG</CENTER></TD><TD align=middle width=90><CENTER>PG</CENTER></TD></TR><TR><TD align=middle width=90><CENTER>http://www.nba.com/media/playerfile/roy_hibbert.jpg</CENTER></TD><TD align=middle width=90><CENTER>http://www.nba.com/media/playerfile/tyler_hansbrough.jpg</CENTER></TD><TD align=middle width=90><CENTER>http://www.nba.com/media/playerfile/danny_granger.jpg</CENTER></TD><TD align=middle width=90><CENTER>http://www.nba.com/media/playerfile/paul_george.jpg</CENTER></TD><TD align=middle width=90><CENTER>http://www.nba.com/media/playerfile/darren_collison.jpg</CENTER></TD></TR><TR><TD align=middle width=90><CENTER>HIBBERT</CENTER></TD><TD align=middle width=90><CENTER>HANSBROUGH</CENTER></TD><TD align=middle width=90><CENTER>GRANGER</CENTER></TD><TD align=middle width=90><CENTER>GEORGE</CENTER></TD><TD align=middle width=90><CENTER>COLLISON</CENTER></TD></TR><TR><TH bgColor= #0099CC colSpan=6>
http://www.nba.com/tvc/image/assets/wordmarks/NOH_wordmark.png Projected Starting Lineup:</TH><TR><TD align=middle width=90><CENTER>C</CENTER></TD><TD align=middle width=90><CENTER>PF</CENTER></TD><TD align=middle width=90><CENTER>SF</CENTER></TD><TD align=middle width=90><CENTER>SG</CENTER></TD><TD align=middle width=90><CENTER>PG</CENTER></TD></TR><TR><TD align=middle width=90><CENTER>http://www.nba.com/media/playerfile/emeka_okafor.jpg</CENTER></TD><TD align=middle width=90><CENTER>http://www.nba.com/media/playerfile/carl_landry.jpg</CENTER></TD><TD align=middle width=90><CENTER>http://www.nba.com/media/playerfile/trevor_ariza.jpg</CENTER></TD><TD align=middle width=90><CENTER>http://www.nba.com/media/playerfile/marco_belinelli.jpg</CENTER></TD><TD align=middle width=90><CENTER>http://www.nba.com/media/playerfile/chris_paul.jpg</CENTER></TD></TR><TR><TD align=middle width=90><CENTER>OKAFOR</CENTER></TD><TD align=middle width=90><CENTER>LANDRY</CENTER></TD><TD align=middle width=90><CENTER>ARIZA</CENTER></TD><TD align=middle width=90><CENTER>BELINELLI</CENTER></TD><TD align=middle width=90><CENTER>PAUL</CENTER></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>


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<TABLE border=2 bordercolor=black><TR><TH bgColor=#003366 colSpan=4>Review with Donahue:</TH></TR><TR><TD>https://s3.amazonaws.com/twitter_production/profile_images/305640004/twitter_logo.jpg (http://www.eightpointsnineseconds.com)</TD><TD>
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TheDon
04-03-2011, 05:38 PM
Just wanted to say it sure does feel good to be playing for somethiing this late in the year instead of discussing futility. :)

focused444
04-03-2011, 05:42 PM
please win tonight...please win tonight...please win tonight...please win tonight...please win tonight...please win tonight... :meditate::fingerscr

LucasRL13
04-03-2011, 05:49 PM
We have to win tonight....
Nba TV guys

Psyren
04-03-2011, 05:53 PM
Just wanted to say it sure does feel good to be playing for somethiing this late in the year instead of discussing futility. :)

Agreed.

It's nice to have something to talk about besides the usual at this time of year :D

BringJackBack
04-03-2011, 05:58 PM
Get this; From now on for at least a while we are going to be a perennial playoff team.. Isn't that freaking exciting?!

vnzla81
04-03-2011, 06:05 PM
Just wanted to say it sure does feel good to be playing for somethiing this late in the year instead of discussing futility. :)

Well, we were playing for the 10th pick instead of the 8th last year, so we were playing for something...... :)

Gold
04-03-2011, 06:13 PM
Would be nice to increase the win streak and continue to keep the bobcats away with a win here.

Dr. Hibbert
04-03-2011, 06:18 PM
Hoping Dun can get his shooting touch back soon. Would be nice for that second unit!

Trophy
04-03-2011, 06:29 PM
Maybe DC will have another NOLA triple-double.

I just hope he won't let Chris Paul have a good game.

focused444
04-03-2011, 06:37 PM
Maybe DC will have another NOLA triple-double.

I just hope he won't let Chris Paul have a good game.

CP3 and DC2 seem to have a competitive bad blood between them. I think that benefits the Pacers.

Also Granger is back home in NO so I always expect him to bring a little extra.

Marlin
04-03-2011, 06:42 PM
CP3 and DC2 seem to have a competitive bad blood between them. I think that benefits the Pacers.

Also Granger is back home in NO so I always expect him to bring a little extra.

I don't. Paul on a mission is not something I'm eager to see against us.

focused444
04-03-2011, 06:48 PM
I don't. Paul on a mission is not something I'm eager to see against us.

Agreed, I don't want him in the zone either. Only reason I said that was I believe it was a preseason game or early in the season (yes i know preseason doesn't count) but CP3 was trying too hard and making errors all over. DC got the best of him. I ultimately think it was CP3's ego which made them move Collison. It looked like CP3 really wanted to go out of his way to prove something to DC2 and it threw his game off (over zealousness). Where as DC2 has nothing to lose and looked very comfortable battling with CP3. I am aware this could backfire badly though.

BringJackBack
04-03-2011, 06:48 PM
Hopefully we get the un-motivated Chris Paul.. Which is a possibility.

focused444
04-03-2011, 06:51 PM
Hopefully we get the un-motivated Chris Paul.. Which is a possibility.

I don't pay attention to NO. Has this been a problem for him this season, or lately?

BringJackBack
04-03-2011, 06:53 PM
Vogel just said that team chemistry is great right now.

Trophy
04-03-2011, 06:55 PM
I'm happy we're getting national recognition, but at the same time I didn't want it on NBATV.

I don't feel like listening to Chris Webber make fun of us. He sucks at announcing and is bias.

I like Kevin McHale he's pretty fair and knowledgable.

I don't even know who's calling it.

TinManJoshua
04-03-2011, 07:01 PM
I'm happy we're getting national recognition, but at the same time I didn't want it on NBATV.

I don't feel like listening to Chris Webber make fun of us. He sucks at announcing and is bias.

I like Kevin McHale he's pretty fair and knowledgable.

I don't even know who's calling it.

I believe they'll just use the home team's broadcast crew.

Trophy
04-03-2011, 07:04 PM
I believe they'll just use the home team's broadcast crew.

I know, but in between quarters and halftime.

It's okay, I like this NBATV crew.

They sound like the Hornets won't have enough.

Marlin
04-03-2011, 07:08 PM
Bobcats down by 5 at the half, meanwhile. Looks like they're suffering with the boards, they've given up 11 ORB already.

Trophy
04-03-2011, 07:09 PM
We better win tonight. That's all I gotta say.

It's do or die at this point.

No more losing.

pacersgroningen
04-03-2011, 07:10 PM
Guys, let's be honest, this could be a very very tough game, Roy has a lot of difficulty establishing position against Okafor and CP3 should normally trump DC, but I feel the other guys can step it up a bit and get us the W. Should be a very interesting game, regardless of the way it turns out to be.

LucasRL13
04-03-2011, 07:10 PM
I'm happy we're getting national recognition, but at the same time I didn't want it on NBATV.

I don't feel like listening to Chris Webber make fun of us. He sucks at announcing and is bias.

I like Kevin McHale he's pretty fair and knowledgable.

I don't even know who's calling it.

Yeah
Chris Webber is a stupid person, listening Chris make fun of us is absolutely insane

Trophy
04-03-2011, 07:12 PM
David West usually kills us so we have a pretty good shot.

I just hope Tyler has a monster game tonight.

yoadknux
04-03-2011, 07:13 PM
Oh Oh. Granger is playing without the sleeve. He's gonna go 0-12.

MillerTime
04-03-2011, 07:14 PM
Is this game on League Pass?

BringJackBack
04-03-2011, 07:15 PM
In the offseason I want Tyler to work on his defense.

MTM
04-03-2011, 07:17 PM
One thing that I really respect is that as hard as Tyler plays, he generally turns off the motor and keeps his mouth shut when calls go against him.

BringJackBack
04-03-2011, 07:18 PM
Crap.. This is just going to be one of those games.

Trophy
04-03-2011, 07:21 PM
This is gonna come down to defense.

Our offense doesn't look bad and our shots are falling.

AesopRockOn
04-03-2011, 07:22 PM
Perimeter D is terrible. When Bellinelli is breaking down the D, you know there's a problem.

BringJackBack
04-03-2011, 07:23 PM
It's hard to play Tyler when he's playing this poorly right now..

kester99
04-03-2011, 07:24 PM
That NO ex-player commentator is ignorant.

Dr. Hibbert
04-03-2011, 07:25 PM
It's hard to play Tyler when he's playing this poorly right now..

Agree. Silly for anyone to show favoritism; you gotta go with what works. McBob can't come in this game soon enough.

Dr. Hibbert
04-03-2011, 07:26 PM
Must the Pacers come out full retard on offense EVERY FREAKING GAME?!

ZepZach
04-03-2011, 07:27 PM
Goooo Wizards!! :dance:

Hopefully we can get another Goon Squad redemption.

Trophy
04-03-2011, 07:27 PM
The assistant announcer doesn't know a thing. He said we're not a good free throw shooting team? Yeah, 5th in the league at 79% really sucks alright.

Quit being a homer.

Roy needs to man up against Okafor.

Roy really needs to add some strength like Okafor.

Dr. Hibbert
04-03-2011, 07:30 PM
The assistant announcer doesn't know a thing. He said we're not a good free throw shooting team? Yeah, 5th in the league at 79% really sucks alright.

Quit being a homer.

Roy needs to man up against Okafor.

Roy really needs to add some strength like Okafor.

Roy needs to man up against everyone. He's not going to. This year at least.

TinManJoshua
04-03-2011, 07:32 PM
Is this game on League Pass?

National Broadcast= LP blackout.

HeliumFear
04-03-2011, 07:32 PM
Going on a run here. All the Huskies playing good these days!

BringJackBack
04-03-2011, 07:33 PM
THAT WAS NOT A ****ING FOUL! **** YOU DUMBASS REFS WITH YOUR LACK OF DOUBLE STANDARD!

Dr. Hibbert
04-03-2011, 07:33 PM
Pacers are getting hosed on some of these calls. Jesus.

Gold
04-03-2011, 07:33 PM
Boo that call.

Dr. Hibbert
04-03-2011, 07:34 PM
I'd say these refs suck, but it's rare that I think any NBA crew is good, so I'm just being redundant.

righteouscool
04-03-2011, 07:34 PM
Hornets announcers are kind of obnoxious.

Offense looks very bad.

focused444
04-03-2011, 07:35 PM
That NO ex-player commentator is ignorant.

this may be a mute and music situation for me...

MTM
04-03-2011, 07:35 PM
Agree. Silly for anyone to show favoritism; you gotta go with what works. McBob can't come in this game soon enough.

The original Goon Squad needs to be restored - move McBob into start, Tyler to the bench, and Dunleavy in for George. The Goon Squad had such a good run together, and the current starters are not getting it done.

Mackey_Rose
04-03-2011, 07:35 PM
THAT WAS NOT A ****ING FOUL! **** YOU DUMBASS REFS WITH YOUR LACK OF DOUBLE STANDARD!

The lack of a double standard would be a good thing.

IUfan4life
04-03-2011, 07:35 PM
Another game, another 30 points 1st quarter.

I don't complain about the refs a lot, but it would be nice to call it down the middle. Frank needs to stick up for his guys and get T'd up

HeliumFear
04-03-2011, 07:35 PM
Too many jumpshots. Not finding anything in the paint but Okafor.

AesopRockOn
04-03-2011, 07:37 PM
Vogel has to notice how awful this starting lineup is, no? They get killed every first quarter. They've got to be one of the worst 5-man units ever. Yet he changes nothing. PG in the starting lineup has absolutely no impact other than fouling. Tyler is too tired to start and play so much. Does the bench have to bail them out every damn game?

Constellations
04-03-2011, 07:37 PM
I absolutely hate Brent Barry. He talks down sooo much on Indiana. It really annoys the crap out of me.

Dr. Hibbert
04-03-2011, 07:37 PM
Rush back to being Rush, I guess.

BringJackBack
04-03-2011, 07:39 PM
Good news: Washington up 15 on Charlotte with 6 to go in the third.

Dr. Hibbert
04-03-2011, 07:40 PM
Thank God for Price tonight.

Gold
04-03-2011, 07:40 PM
AJ is on fire! wow.

HeliumFear
04-03-2011, 07:40 PM
Price! Nice feed from Josh.

LucasRL13
04-03-2011, 07:41 PM
AJ

dal9
04-03-2011, 07:41 PM
somebody named quincy getting tough lol

AesopRockOn
04-03-2011, 07:42 PM
For all the talk of Tyler instigating ****, Jeff gets into it with someone just about every game.

kester99
04-03-2011, 07:43 PM
this may be a mute and music situation for me...

I'm going with M Boyle and Austin on Audio League Pass (free).

Gold
04-03-2011, 07:45 PM
JESUS GRANGER!

BringJackBack
04-03-2011, 07:45 PM
Danny just earned himself some smothered chicken!!

HeliumFear
04-03-2011, 07:46 PM
Dunleavy with the trick shot lol

Dr. Hibbert
04-03-2011, 07:46 PM
Why does Denari always sound so surprised when McBob passes it well? McBob is a good passer.

Constellations
04-03-2011, 07:48 PM
Just to not upset anyone, I love Mark Boyle. But I absolutely hate how he gets excited when other teams score. HATE it.

AesopRockOn
04-03-2011, 07:49 PM
Uh oh. Did we just witness the end of CP3?

Dr. Hibbert
04-03-2011, 07:49 PM
Damn, hate to see that. Chris Paul's a good guy, great player.

LG33
04-03-2011, 07:49 PM
For those that can watch the game, does it seem like we'll be down all night?

Trophy
04-03-2011, 07:49 PM
Hopefully we can take advantage now, but Roy still needs to get his head on straight at center.

Dr. Hibbert
04-03-2011, 07:51 PM
Hopefully we can take advantage now, but Roy still needs to get his head on straight at center.

Good luck with that happening anytime soon...

AesopRockOn
04-03-2011, 07:52 PM
For those that can watch the game, does it seem like we'll be down all night?

Depends on CP3 status.

Trophy
04-03-2011, 07:52 PM
According to the Hornets announcers, DC was nicknamed "the blur".

Trophy
04-03-2011, 07:53 PM
Good luck with that happening anytime soon...

Yeah really.

If he can throw on 40 pounds of muscle within the next hour.

kester99
04-03-2011, 07:53 PM
For those that can watch the game, does it seem like we'll be down all night?

If we step up and rebound, and stop Ariza and Okafor from scoring at the rim....we'll be OK.

Dr. Hibbert
04-03-2011, 07:54 PM
PG should just stop shooting threes...

Sookie
04-03-2011, 07:55 PM
You know, as much as it seems like Josh and Tyler pick each other up when the other is down (Tyler's not playing well, so Josh picks it up..and vice versa) it seems like AJ and DC feed off each other.

Fun when they are playing well..not so much when they are trying to out suck each other.

Dr. Hibbert
04-03-2011, 07:55 PM
Pacers suck at getting their hands on deflected/blocked shots tonight.

BringJackBack
04-03-2011, 07:55 PM
And of course they hit the bull**** shot of the century. Story of a Pacer fans' life.

HeliumFear
04-03-2011, 07:55 PM
Too many offensive rebounds for Hornets. This is exactly why the Pacers need a different "PF of the future".

righteouscool
04-03-2011, 07:56 PM
Amazing, feels like the Hornets have touched every rebound.

Mr_Smith
04-03-2011, 07:56 PM
Can we just keep it close?? F**k!

Dr. Hibbert
04-03-2011, 07:57 PM
Man this first half defense is embarrassing...

BringJackBack
04-03-2011, 07:57 PM
We can't get stops.. Too much Chris Paul. Too much biased officiating. Too many offensive rebounds by the Hornets.

D-BONE
04-03-2011, 08:01 PM
Hornets are also getting practically every loose ball.

Trophy
04-03-2011, 08:01 PM
These announcers are killing me.

Especially the assistant. I can barely understand and when I do, he doesn't know what he's talking about.

This is why I hate when it's on NBATV. I'm forced to watch the other team's announcers.

D-BONE
04-03-2011, 08:02 PM
No shame in losing to Hornets on the road. But it is shameful to play so listlessly for most of the half.

Getting manhandled inside again.

D-BONE
04-03-2011, 08:03 PM
Making Ariza look like Kobe.

AesopRockOn
04-03-2011, 08:03 PM
Paul and Danny have killed us today on pretty much both ends.

Trophy
04-03-2011, 08:03 PM
Okafor with 13 rebounds already.

Mr_Smith
04-03-2011, 08:03 PM
Hornets are just better......simple as that

AesopRockOn
04-03-2011, 08:04 PM
Then Danny hits a much needed three, albeit a tougher one than the shot he just missed.

Thank god for the Wiz.

yoadknux
04-03-2011, 08:05 PM
There's just nothing we can do, We have 4 defensive mismatches. Okafor rebounds over hibbert's head. Landry scores on Tyler. Ariza on Granger. CP3 scoring at will.

Constellations
04-03-2011, 08:05 PM
Pacer fan for life. But I'm really getting tired of this ****. Frank Vogel is turning in Mike D'Antoni Jr. It's sad when OB had them playing better defense. This is just absolutely embarrassing.

Trophy
04-03-2011, 08:06 PM
The defense is terrible.

Roy needs to man up and the wings need to play with some kind of effort and not let guys like Ariza get easy looks.

The offense isn't bad though so that's why this is gonna come down to defense because the Hornets are dangerous on the offensive end.

vnzla81
04-03-2011, 08:06 PM
Yep this thread is longer when we are losing ....... :D

pwee31
04-03-2011, 08:06 PM
Let's hope the Wizards hang on. Hopefully the Pacers come out strong in the 2nd half and make this a game

Gold
04-03-2011, 08:07 PM
It's one of those games again where we rarely get stops and when we do, we can't get any rebounds. :(

AesopRockOn
04-03-2011, 08:08 PM
Hornets are just better......simple as that

Not really without West.

The Hornets in this game have been getting to the right spots especially on our defensive end. But they are in no way indomitable. Pacers need to focus up on the defensive end, hope the Hornets hit a rough patch, and exploit their defense i.e. get Hibbert more touches, get more movement in general, and hope another scorer (Rush, Dun, Tyler) emerges to push us through a couple of good runs.

D-BONE
04-03-2011, 08:09 PM
Know they CAN play better D - they did v. the Bucks - but WILL they give the necessary effort to do so?

Trophy
04-03-2011, 08:10 PM
Roy will never be a solid center without adding muscle and strength.

He's playing like he's afraid of Okafor and that explains the 34 points in the paint.

Not only are we screwed there, but Chris Paul is pumped out now and is probably going to make it a nightmare for DC.

The wings suck too and just aren't making any kind of statement on either end of the floor.

pwee31
04-03-2011, 08:10 PM
:laugh: Anyone just see that baby get nudged by their dad to crawl. Bad result! :laugh:

I shouldn't be laughing at that

D-BONE
04-03-2011, 08:12 PM
I think the Hornets are better inside. But it doesn't help that our perimeter guys are just rolling out the red carpet for them to drive the lane. I mean, really, Ariza and Belinelli driving and finishing at the rim with no resistance. Puh-leaze.

TheDon
04-03-2011, 08:12 PM
Its not as disappointing for me I'm watching both pacers and wrestlemania at hooters in fort wayne so even though the pacers are stinking it up the scenery is nice and still manage to be entertained. Where is El Pacero when ya need him.

HeliumFear
04-03-2011, 08:13 PM
Halftime screw says Pacers bigs aren't playing with intensity.

Pacers bigs' response: Really? Awe well...

Gold
04-03-2011, 08:14 PM
Pacer fan for life. But I'm really getting tired of this ****. Frank Vogel is turning in Mike D'Antoni Jr. It's sad when OB had them playing better defense. This is just absolutely embarrassing.

Well the team's defense declined before Jim left. Pretty much, once upon a time in the beginning of the year, the Pacers were consistently doing well on defense, now they don't. I wouldn't really put it all on Vogel.

Constellations
04-03-2011, 08:14 PM
Know they CAN play better D - they did v. the Bucks - but WILL they give the necessary effort to do so?

Not good D at all. The Bucks are the worst offensive team in the NBA. Averaging 92.3 ppg.

HeliumFear
04-03-2011, 08:19 PM
So,our defense held them below their average. D on the Bucks was solid. Holding a team below 90 points is a feat (even a bad team)!

Shade
04-03-2011, 08:20 PM
Looks like the Bobkitties are about to lose to Washington...

D-BONE
04-03-2011, 08:20 PM
Not good D at all. The Bucks are the worst offensive team in the NBA. Averaging 92.3 ppg.

Fair enough, but I watched the game live and our rotations and intensity were as good as I've seen in months. There were others who agreed with this in the post-game thread.

Need the same intensity here to even have a chance regardless of the opponent. Paul is obviously a very though cover, but the rest of their guys aren't that good that they should be driving by us that easily.

I'll give you that their inside guys are problematic, but I'm talking wing defense. Sorry, but we're making Ariza look way better than he should.

LG33
04-03-2011, 08:22 PM
Looks like the Bobkitties are about to lose to Washington...

Yeah, a Pacers win tonight (like any night, really) would be huge.

Let's just hope the Wiz don't bring the same intensity when we play them.

HeliumFear
04-03-2011, 08:22 PM
DC has been solid this game.

AesopRockOn
04-03-2011, 08:23 PM
Wow, Chris Paul is worse to his teammates than Kobe is.

pwee31
04-03-2011, 08:23 PM
Thank you Washington Wizards!

HeliumFear
04-03-2011, 08:25 PM
If I were a star and I had Hibbert as a teammate,I'd threaten to freeze out anyone who passed to Hibbert the rest of the game.

Sookie
04-03-2011, 08:25 PM
Well, thanks for making this an easy decision between the beginning of the women's final four game and the end of this game..

Dr. Hibbert
04-03-2011, 08:27 PM
Danny's really working his *** off out there...

...oh, wait.

AesopRockOn
04-03-2011, 08:27 PM
And our starting lineup does what it does...

Constellations
04-03-2011, 08:27 PM
It's good the bob kitties lost, since were gonna lose nothing changes in the standings. Ty WSH.

Trophy
04-03-2011, 08:27 PM
We need to come out better than this. We can't even lose at this point and now we're not even trying. :mad:

This team needs to wake up and stop letting them have themselves the game.

Dr. Hibbert
04-03-2011, 08:29 PM
I'm glad the Grangers are super nice and supportive. Maybe they should tell their son/grandson/nephew to play defense sometime, though.

Frostwolf
04-03-2011, 08:34 PM
we still don't need josh smith?

tyler is so bad at defense. CARL LANDRY looked like freaking karl malone there.

Dr. Hibbert
04-03-2011, 08:36 PM
As Mike Wells just noted, it's terrifying that Vogel said they're treating every outing like a playoff outing right now...

D-BONE
04-03-2011, 08:37 PM
NO hit some tough shots coming out of the half - contested shots. I just think we let guys like Belinelli and Ariza get off to easily early and that led to them getting into a zone. When you know you'll be challenged by Okafor & Paul's matchups, you have to control the supporting guys and we failed to do that.

vnzla81
04-03-2011, 08:39 PM
I think is time to let Lance take it, oh wait.........

AesopRockOn
04-03-2011, 08:39 PM
Okay, I'm done. Deuces!

D-BONE
04-03-2011, 08:39 PM
As Mike Wells just noted, it's terrifying that Vogel said they're treating every outing like a playoff outing right now...

I don't know what to expect from this group, but my guess is that -barring a collapse - most of our playoff games will look closer to this type of game. I don't think we'll be swept, but any more than one victory in the series would be a success in my eyes.

Trophy
04-03-2011, 08:41 PM
I'm tired of feeling like an idiot listening to these announcers.

They're talking like they're on the radio.

Also, the Pacers are so unbelievably inconsistent and care then don't give a ****.

graphic-er
04-03-2011, 08:42 PM
So that 3pter that CP3 made where he shoved Paul George, how does that not get called as an offensive foul, but Danny Granger gets called for it every game.

HeliumFear
04-03-2011, 08:42 PM
I say we lock this thread,forgo the postgame thread,and forget this ever happened.

D-BONE
04-03-2011, 08:43 PM
we still don't need josh smith?

tyler is so bad at defense. CARL LANDRY looked like freaking karl malone there.

Smith and a legit, PHYSICAL 5 b/c Roy's looked no better.

I don't dislike either guy, but I just find it hard to see either Hans or McBob as a long-term starting four, primarily from the defensive/rebounding standpoint. They are both best-suited to significant contributions from the bench.

KingGeorge
04-03-2011, 08:44 PM
Well, this is embarrassing :mad:

BringJackBack
04-03-2011, 08:44 PM
Ehh I'm not too upset about this game. We played the good and motivated Chris Paul and even if he wouldn't have played well they still would've won. I kind of expected this kind of performance after a couple of solid wins.

At least Charlotte lost and we have three home games coming up.

Frostwolf
04-03-2011, 08:44 PM
So that 3pter that CP3 made where he shoved Paul George, how does that not get called as an offensive foul, but Danny Granger gets called for it every game.

because danny granger is not chris paul, and we are not playing at home. oh well.

Constellations
04-03-2011, 08:45 PM
This is physically painful to listen to. I can only imagine it hurts worse to watch?

Frostwolf
04-03-2011, 08:46 PM
This is physically painful to listen to. I can only imagine it hurts worse to watch?

you have a penchant for the understatement, good sir.

looks like mcbob is not very effective in stopping landry either.

guess we have to chalk it up to one of those nights (which we seem to have every four or five games..)

HeliumFear
04-03-2011, 08:46 PM
Hibbert is "not a true center"? I know he's playing soft,but that's a ludicrous statement.

Edit: commenting on the commentators' comment

Justin Tyme
04-03-2011, 08:46 PM
I really thought with West out the Pacers would compete on the boards, wrong thinking, They are double figgs down with only having shot 8 FT attempts. Pathetic

Constellations
04-03-2011, 08:46 PM
Jeff Foster. Good ol' Jeff. Down by 22, still willing to sacrifice his body for a charge just so we could brick another jumper. Much <3 Jeff.

Frostwolf
04-03-2011, 08:47 PM
yay. finally a shove gets called for a foul!

Mr_Smith
04-03-2011, 08:47 PM
Well...Charlotte lost! Thats been a recurring theme for the last month and a half:laugh:

D-BONE
04-03-2011, 08:49 PM
Ehh I'm not too upset about this game. We played the good and motivated Chris Paul and even if he wouldn't have played well they still would've won. I kind of expected this kind of performance after a couple of solid wins.

At least Charlotte lost and we have three home games coming up.

I agree from the standpoint that I did not expect to win. However, this level of performance is a disappointment. At least a little energy and team play would be welcomed.

dal9
04-03-2011, 08:50 PM
As Mike Wells just noted, it's terrifying that Vogel said they're treating every outing like a playoff outing right now...

problem: NO actually is

Gold
04-03-2011, 08:50 PM
Hibbert is "not a true center"? I know he's playing soft,but that's a ludicrous statement.

Edit: commenting on the commentators' comment

:laugh:

That has to be the silliest opinion I've ever seen on a Pacers player this year.

Trophy
04-03-2011, 08:51 PM
Smith and a legit, PHYSICAL 5 b/c Roy's looked no better.

I don't dislike either guy, but I just find it hard to see either Hans or McBob as a long-term starting four, primarily from the defensive/rebounding standpoint. They are both best-suited to significant contributions from the bench.

I wouldn't mind giving away Roy for Al Jefferson if and only if we get Josh Smith to play the 4.

I feel like both Jefferson would do well with Smith like Horford. Both are pretty similar players. Rebound well, decent on the offensive end by playing above their 6-10 height.

HeliumFear
04-03-2011, 08:53 PM
"Paul George will probably become James Posey with a little bit more offense."

XD who are these guys? Professional trolling.

Sookie
04-03-2011, 08:55 PM
Jesus, did AJ teach the team how to shoot free throws..

tora tora
04-03-2011, 08:55 PM
This team is better when Dunleavy starts.

Trophy
04-03-2011, 08:55 PM
I like Posey a little more now because he doesn't play.

kester99
04-03-2011, 08:57 PM
Posey hit 4 threes when we played NO in December. Hoping for lightning to strike twice, I guess.

Trophy
04-03-2011, 08:58 PM
"Paul George will probably become James Posey with a little bit more offense."

XD who are these guys? Professional trolling.

Honestly, they know nothing.

I feel like an idiot listening to the what they say.

Chris and Quinn are so much better than the majority of the league's announcers.

MyFavMartin
04-03-2011, 09:00 PM
Agreed. Commentators are horrible.

Roy's 3rd year, Tyler's 1st (essentially), McBob's 4th (but he's 21 and only played 8 games his first season), DC's 2nd, AJ's 2nd, Rush's 3rd...

We're young... Growing pains are painful...

HeliumFear
04-03-2011, 09:02 PM
Bizarro Rush is gone again...

Now we just have plain ol' Bum Rush.

xIndyFan
04-03-2011, 09:04 PM
As Mike Wells just noted, it's terrifying that Vogel said they're treating every outing like a playoff outing right now...

if this means the scouting and game prep is like the playoffs, then this actually sounds like a good idea. get a young team used to the playoff routine.

tora tora
04-03-2011, 09:05 PM
Mike Wells sounds pissed off.

gummy
04-03-2011, 09:05 PM
I was upset earlier when I found out this game wouldn't be accessible through LP. Now I am glad I can't see what is happening.

D-BONE
04-03-2011, 09:05 PM
This team is better when Dunleavy starts.

I don't know if that's true, but I'd be more than willing to experiment with him back in the starting unit given the trend towards slow starts and the fact that, IMO, George has been slumping or, at least, not engaging to previous levels as a starter.

Trophy
04-03-2011, 09:05 PM
Mike Wells sounds pissed off.

So do I.

Dr. Hibbert
04-03-2011, 09:08 PM
Mike Wells sounds pissed off.

He has a right to be tonight, but what's new, haha? I like Wells, but he's not exactly reserved in his opinion. Never has been. Actually, that's why I like him.

HeliumFear
04-03-2011, 09:10 PM
Switched the game off,put a different mood on.

Sookie
04-03-2011, 09:10 PM
fantastic pass by Price there. Josh was like "....hey look, I'm open."

Gold
04-03-2011, 09:11 PM
Decent cut down.

Trophy
04-03-2011, 09:11 PM
Keep these guys in.

We're finally getting something done.

Mackey_Rose
04-03-2011, 09:12 PM
Remember the good old days when Rush and McRoberts were the reason that the starters frequently struggled? Glad we got that problem solved.

sportfireman
04-03-2011, 09:12 PM
I'm just glad the Bobcats lost....

KingGeorge
04-03-2011, 09:12 PM
I never thought Posey and Dunleavy would ever lead the team in the +/- chart. :confused:

D-BONE
04-03-2011, 09:17 PM
Let's see, we'll wait to the last six of the first half and last six minutes of the second to really put forth a concerted effort. UGH.

Oh well, on to the next game.

kester99
04-03-2011, 09:18 PM
I never thought Posey and Dunleavy would ever lead the team in the +/- chart. :confused:

Dunleavy leads in plus/minus for the season.

Constellations
04-03-2011, 09:22 PM
I'll take a 12 point loss over a 25 any day. Oh the life of a Pacer fan. Valiant 4th quarter effort though.

kester99
04-03-2011, 09:26 PM
Put Tyler and Dahntay back in the second unit.

Start Josh and Dunleavy.

Paul George / Brandon alternate on the 2nd unit.

That's about it.

We'll do better next game.

mattie
04-03-2011, 09:40 PM
Put Tyler and Dahntay back in the second unit.

Start Josh and Dunleavy.

Paul George / Brandon alternate on the 2nd unit.

That's about it.

We'll do better next game.

Neither Rush, George or Dunleavy has produced much at all in the starting lineup. Rush was predictably on and off, but mostly off. Dunleavy was good offensively (but still not very many points) but was exposed by any good 2guard that came to town. George's only problem, and it happens everytime they come down the court, is he is not involved at all. They run the ball away from him every time.

He is our starting 2guard of the future, so lets not mess it up once again. Dunleavy thrives as the number 1 scoring option off the bench, Rush has been playing well off the bench as well. Why change that?

Oh because we lost? If thats the case you'll just want to change the lineup wants again, once the new starting 2guard has a bad game.

JEM
04-03-2011, 09:44 PM
Think Vogel waived the white flag way to early.

Mackey_Rose
04-03-2011, 09:45 PM
Put Tyler and Dahntay back in the second unit.

Start Josh and Dunleavy.

Paul George / Brandon alternate on the 2nd unit.

That's about it.

We'll do better next game.

That won't solve anything though. Those positions were not the problem before Tyler and George got the starting nod, and they are not the problem now.

The problem is, our supposed top three players just aren't very good.

Basketball Fan
04-03-2011, 09:45 PM
I'm just glad the Bobcats lost....

At this rate it really won't matter if we win out because it looks like we're backing into it.

I don't think the other teams care about being a sacrifical lamb for the Bulls in the first round.

I do think we can steal a couple games from them though.

Mackey_Rose
04-03-2011, 09:46 PM
Think Vogel waived the white flag way to early.

What would you have had him do? I didn't get the feeling that he gave up on that game at all. If anyone gave up, it was the starting five when they came out after halftime.

BRushWithDeath
04-03-2011, 09:51 PM
That won't solve anything though. Those positions were not the problem before Tyler and George got the starting nod, and they are not the problem now.

The problem is, our supposed top three players just aren't very good.

You are right that it will not solve anything but it would improve them.

Collison, Dunleavy, Granger, McRoberts, and Hibbert have been by far our best lineup. It would give us the best chance to steal a game in the playoffs.

And the Collison, George, Granger, Hansbrough, Hibbert lineup has been an unmitigated disaster. Truly epically bad.

kester99
04-03-2011, 09:52 PM
Why change that?

Oh because we lost? If thats the case you'll just want to change the lineup wants again, once the new starting 2guard has a bad game.

Same thing I've been saying for a number of weeks.

http://www.pacersdigest.com/showthread.php?t=62572

The starters play better with Dun in there, and the Goon Squad was one of the year's high points.

mattie
04-03-2011, 10:13 PM
Pacers were 8-3 with Dun in the lineup, against a terrible schedule and since, with PG and Rush starting were 10-13.

They are 8-8 with Paul George in the lineup.

By saying somehow Dunleavy in the starting lineup, you're ignoring strength of schedule, ignoring the effect Tyler had on the goon squad, and you'd also be taking a much too small sample of games too decide way or other what the problem is.

On top of that, you'd ignore how well the goon squad has done with Dunleavy in the lineup.

I don't think we have need to have another few weeks were the entire board argues over the shooting guard position all because either side of the argument refuses to actually analyse the Pacers play as a whole, but instead look at the PPG production of the starting 2guard and assume that must be the problem.

kester99
04-03-2011, 11:08 PM
Pacers were 8-3 with Dun in the lineup, against a terrible schedule and since, with PG and Rush starting were 10-13.

They are 8-8 with Paul George in the lineup.

By saying somehow Dunleavy in the starting lineup, you're ignoring strength of schedule, ignoring the effect Tyler had on the goon squad, and you'd also be taking a much too small sample of games too decide way or other what the problem is.

On top of that, you'd ignore how well the goon squad has done with Dunleavy in the lineup.

I don't think we have need to have another few weeks were the entire board argues over the shooting guard position all because either side of the argument refuses to actually analyse the Pacers play as a whole, but instead look at the PPG production of the starting 2guard and assume that must be the problem.

How can you possibly say what I'm ignoring or not?

I am looking at the season as a whole. Any stat site you want to go to, you can check the team's performance with Dunleavy starting, and it's a better more effeicient offense (and defense, oddly enough).

Also, if you can recall, I was for adding Josh to the starters also...it's not a focus on one position.

Here's one site showing the best starting 5s:

http://www.nba.com/statistics/plusminus/plusminus_sort.jsp?pcomb=5&season=22010&split=9&team=Pacers

Here's another:

http://www.82games.com/1011/1011IND2.HTM

If you don't care for the stats...fine. If you think it's too late in the season to change again, I can understand that. But I believe the change I threw out there would let us win more going out.

JEM
04-03-2011, 11:13 PM
What would you have had him do? I didn't get the feeling that he gave up on that game at all. If anyone gave up, it was the starting five when they came out after halftime.

He should have had atleast 2 starters on the floor in the 4th all the way through. That way when / if the run happens ( the Hornets would still have pulled the starters up 20 in he 4th I think ) it could possibly be taken advantage of.. Leaving all starters on the bench ( Hibbert was the only one that was really struggling IMO ) for 15+ game minutes meant that even if he wanted to put in Granger / Hansbrough / Collison they would be cold and in no position to really do anything.

It was clear he gave up. Coaches just dont leave their bench in + a guy that doesnt play anymore if they are trying to win. The Pacers cutting into the lead happened because the Hornets were lazy the entire 4th Q and had Vogel had a couple starters in there maybe the run happens sooner and with greater momentum.

vnzla81
04-03-2011, 11:18 PM
You are right that it will not solve anything but it would improve them.

Collison, Dunleavy, Granger, McRoberts, and Hibbert have been by far our best lineup. It would give us the best chance to steal a game in the playoffs.

And the Collison, George, Granger, Hansbrough, Hibbert lineup has been an unmitigated disaster. Truly epically bad.

It would give us the chance to steal a game in the playoffs? Hahahahaha :laugh:

BRushWithDeath
04-03-2011, 11:28 PM
It would give us the chance to steal a game in the playoffs? Hahahahaha :laugh:

Saying our best lineup gives us our best shot to steal a playoff win.

Hilarious.

Bruce Vilanch eat your heart out.

Mackey_Rose
04-03-2011, 11:40 PM
He should have had atleast 2 starters on the floor in the 4th all the way through. That way when / if the run happens ( the Hornets would still have pulled the starters up 20 in he 4th I think ) it could possibly be taken advantage of.. Leaving all starters on the bench ( Hibbert was the only one that was really struggling IMO ) for 15+ game minutes meant that even if he wanted to put in Granger / Hansbrough / Collison they would be cold and in no position to really do anything.

It was clear he gave up. Coaches just dont leave their bench in + a guy that doesnt play anymore if they are trying to win. The Pacers cutting into the lead happened because the Hornets were lazy the entire 4th Q and had Vogel had a couple starters in there maybe the run happens sooner and with greater momentum.

All of the starters were horrible. Hibbert got manhandled by Okafor. Hansbrough is uselss if his shot isn't falling, and even more useless when he is reluctant to shoot it because its not falling. Granger plays 1 good quarter for every 6 bad ones. Collison was Collison. George may as well just stay home if he's with those guys.

We got back in it because they were on the bench. We have no cohesion from that group. They are not capable of playing well together. You might think those are the best five pieces on the roster, but it is clear they are pieces that don't fit together.

Vogel played a group in the 4th that did fit together, and not surprisingly, they gained some ground. Unfortunately the starting group dug them far too deep of a hole to climb out of.

D-BONE
04-04-2011, 06:05 AM
All of the starters were horrible. Hibbert got manhandled by Okafor. Hansbrough is uselss if his shot isn't falling, and even more useless when he is reluctant to shoot it because its not falling. Granger plays 1 good quarter for every 6 bad ones. Collison was Collison. George may as well just stay home if he's with those guys.

We got back in it because they were on the bench. We have no cohesion from that group. They are not capable of playing well together. You might think those are the best five pieces on the roster, but it is clear they are pieces that don't fit together.

Vogel played a group in the 4th that did fit together, and not surprisingly, they gained some ground. Unfortunately the starting group dug them far too deep of a hole to climb out of.

No question the starters were terrible in this game.

They have been notoriously bad STARTING games...and they're STARTERS. And they were even worse than usual last night.

McKeyFan
04-04-2011, 06:44 AM
I think it's mostly on Hibbert.

Could hit much, and let Okafur dominate with easy buckets. Not sure why he couldn't even get in front of him last night.

Shade
04-04-2011, 07:40 AM
Believe it or not, this is about what I expected from us this season: a young, average team. We'd be around .500 if not for Jim O'Cthulu.

We'll improve with experience, which is why making the playoffs this season is so important. But we definitely need some significant veteran upgrades to bring the youngsters along.

The only player I'm really concerned about right now is Danny. He's not "young" in the traditional sense anymore. Hopefully his play will improve when he's surrounded with more help.

daschysta
04-04-2011, 10:55 AM
Ugly loss, but not neccesarily panic inducing either. We're a pretty stinky road team and really young, plus okafor is the type of player that gives roy major problems.

NO is also in a position where they need to win to hold off the competition behind them for the last playoff spot too.

Tylers defense on landry was laughably bad at times, and the hornets were simply making some really, really tough shots, particularly ariza, shots he normally doesn't make.

This does show I think though that we need one more really consistant scorer in the starting lineup, when tyler wasn't slumping that was him, but when he isn't scoring players can load up on roy and granger, we need one more person to take the pressure off.

i didn't think that collison played particularly badly, he didn't turn the ball over at all and when he was agressive on offense he was pretty successful, if anything he was too passive in looking for his own shot this game, chris paul got his, but it isn't like he absolutely dominated collison m ore than he typically does any given game.

Granger is starting to worry me a bit though, but his role is different, i'm willing to give him more time.

I do agree that we need to bring in an experienced vet to play a leadership role, posey is good at it, but it needs to be someone good enough to crack the rotation and set an example.

Roy really needs to work on his core strength, until he does beefy powerful centers with low centers of gravity will continue to give him tons of trouble.

As for mackey commenting that our top 3 players just aren't very good... Well compared to alot of teams they aren't yet, but two of them are in their second and third year in collison and roy. Collison and Roy I think will be far, far better next year. If Danny can somehow get his game back together and we bring in one more really solid guy with the cap space I think that they can compete for 50 wins before long with that core.

All in all crappy loss, but young teams will have those, it isn't like it was some unknown that we're inconsistant, and that we're much better at home than we are on the road. We're getting what we asked for in the youth movement, and part of that is not throwing the youngsters under the bus when they are inconsistant.

I just really hope this is simply an extended slump from danny, he's the one who is moreso fully evolved than the rest of our core. Believe it or not even star players have down seasons though, and it should be expected to see a reduction in dannies numbers since he has more help than in the past two year. Give him an offseason readjusting and I think he'll be back next year back to form. It isn't easy going form an offense where the best chance to give your team the win is scoring at the highest possible volume, and getting into a rhythm that way, to a system where the expectations are quite different. And Danny does want to win, that shouldn't be in question like some people try to place it.

I'm in complete support however of reuniting the Darren, Dunleavey, Danny, Mcbob and Hibbert lineup. Statistics show that it is by far our most successful, not only during our "honeymoon and cake" immediately post-job schedule, but also our .500 plus team at the beginning of the year, that was competing with very good teams and holding their own on a regular basis. Beyond just statistics though it makes sense intuitively. George is too dynamic a player on both sides of the ball to put in a position with the starters in which he feels like he has to constantly defer to the other players on the floor, and tyler is best when he has a green light, though I think an argument can be made that he is the starter while mcbob is the bench player when he's scoring well. When tyler isn't scoring well he's something of a defensive liability and still has awareness problems that give up easy rebounds and baskets too frequently. we need dunleavey in there as a secondary playmaker that allows darren to play off the ball on occasion and as someone that can consistantly hit a three point shot, because george has been absolutely abysmal at them, and it may take him an offseason to work on that longer shot.

immortality
04-04-2011, 12:20 PM
I am the Pacers Digest Board where 70% of posts after losses discuss blowing up the team.

BringJackBack
04-04-2011, 02:54 PM
Believe it or not, this is about what I expected from us this season: a young, average team. We'd be around .500 if not for Jim O'Cthulu.

We'll improve with experience, which is why making the playoffs this season is so important. But we definitely need some significant veteran upgrades to bring the youngsters along.

The only player I'm really concerned about right now is Danny. He's not "young" in the traditional sense anymore. Hopefully his play will improve when he's surrounded with more help.

This x1000.. Short and simple, but easily the best way to describe my feelings.

Hicks
04-04-2011, 04:49 PM
Games like this are sobering to me. I know part of it is the youth factor and all of that, but sometimes we just seem hopelessly sub par.

I know I recently expressed a strong desire to focus mostly on what a player can do, as opposed to what they can't, and while I still will try to hold to that on a player-by-player basis, when I try to evaluate this team as a group of players, I can't help but feel a lot of concern about its inability to enforce its will on most teams. There's just not enough talent right now to do that.

Do I see guys who could do that, if things change? Yes, but I'll feel a lot better when at least one of them is doing that (Paul or Roy grows up, Danny gets disgusted with himself and starts busting *** both ways, all the time), and I don't expect it to happen until next year at the earliest.

Like Shade said, we need to add some reliable veteran pieces to move forward with. Ideally, guys that improve us now, but are willing to be more complimentary if/when guys like Paul grow up. Honestly, I'd strongly consider finding a very solid to better-than-solid small forward who brings a lot of defense, and then I'd trade Granger for a better power forward than we currently have. Honestly, part of me thinks you could even get away with letting Brandon Rush replace Granger in that scenario.

In the meantime, the only change that might be worth a damn IMO is swapping Tyler and Josh at the 4 spot. I'd still leave Paul at the 2, though. I just hate Mike Dunleavy at the 2, personally. Like him a lot better as a backup 3.

McKeyFan
04-04-2011, 05:09 PM
I'm convinced our biggest need is point guard.

focused444
04-04-2011, 05:53 PM
All of the starters were horrible. Hibbert got manhandled by Okafor. Hansbrough is uselss if his shot isn't falling, and even more useless when he is reluctant to shoot it because its not falling. Granger plays 1 good quarter for every 6 bad ones. Collison was Collison. George may as well just stay home if he's with those guys.

We got back in it because they were on the bench. We have no cohesion from that group. They are not capable of playing well together. You might think those are the best five pieces on the roster, but it is clear they are pieces that don't fit together.

Vogel played a group in the 4th that did fit together, and not surprisingly, they gained some ground. Unfortunately the starting group dug them far too deep of a hole to climb out of.


Do you think Vogel is easing Mike back into the starting line up? I kinda do

Did you know at one point they got with in 11 and Posey was 0-4 from 3-pt? I'm not saying that to bash Posey. If he hit 2 of those (which he is capable of) it would have been an entirely different game. Starters back in, calling timeouts, intentional fouling, all of that. Would you have left that 5 in. I think that 5 was close to the most cerebral 5 we can put out there. With the exception of rush. It was Posey, Dun, Rush, Price, McRoberts. They were fluid. Against backups though.

D-BONE
04-04-2011, 08:29 PM
I'm convinced our biggest need is point guard.

Hard for me to decide what biggest need is - there are so many. I think an upgrade at 4, 5, or a combo 4/5 with size and strength is probably a bit more dire. But, PG is another big need. Both of these are integral if we want to make significant, immediate improvement. Otherwise we'll continue to hover around .500 - most likely - for several years.