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MyFavMartin
03-30-2011, 12:45 PM
Please post links here.


Jordan Williams of Univ. of Maryland

6"10" 260lb PF

Mocked at #24 in NBAdraft's 2012 Draft

Slow feet, but good size. Has some conditioning to work on and needs to drop some fat, gain muscle.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/d1scourse/2011/mar/30/jordan-williams-the-acc-season-long-double-doubles/

MyFavMartin
03-30-2011, 12:47 PM
http://www.nbadraft.net/2011-nba-draft-early-entrants

Officially Entered / Eligible

Michael Dunigan 6-9 245 PF USA 1989 Unlikely to be drafted. (automatically eligible)
Ashton Gibbs 6-2 195 PG Pittsburgh Jr. Second round to (likely) undrafted. Link
Tobias Harris 6-8 210 SF/PF Tennessee Fr. Likely late first to early second round. Link
Tyler Honeycutt 6-7 195 SF UCLA So. Mid to late first round. (signing agent) Link
Scotty Hopson 6-7 205 SG Tennessee Jr. Second round to undrafted.
Malcolm Lee 6-5 180 PG UCLA Jr. Late first to second round.
Nikola Mirotic 6-10 225 SF/PF Montenegro 1991 Late first to likely second round.
Darius Morris 6-4 190 PG Michigan So. Late first to likely second round. Link
Jamine Peterson 6-6 240 PF USA 1988 Second round to undrafted. (automatically eligible)
Iman Shumpert 6-5 210 PG/SG G. Tech Jr. Second round to undrafted.
Greg Smith 6-10 249 PF/C Fresno St. So. Second round to undrafted. (signing agent) Link
Tristan Thompson 6-9 230 PF Texas Fr. Late lottery to mid first round. (signed agent) Link
Nikola Vucevic 6-10 240 PF USC Jr. Second round to undrafted. (signed agent) Link
Jordan Williams 6-10 260 PF Maryland Jr. Late first to early second round.

International

Andrew Albicy 5-9 170 PG France 1990 Second round to undrafted. Link
Ater Majok 6-9 210 SF/PF Australia 1989 Unlikely to be drafted. (automatically eligible)
Jan Vesely 6-11 230 SF/PF Czech Republic 1990 Lottery. Link
Max Zhang 7-3 225 C China Jr. Unlikely to be drafted. (automatically eligible)

Likely to Enter

Furkan Aldemir 6-10 PF Turkey 1990 Unlikely to be drafted.
Alec Burks 6-6 185 PG/SG Colorado So. Lottery.
Jordan Hamilton 6-7 208 SG/SF Texas So. Mid to late first round.
Elias Harris 6-8 230 PF Gonzaga So. Second round to undrafted.
Kyrie Irving 6-2 175 PG Duke Fr. Top 3-5 pick.
Kevin Jones 6-7 220 SF West Virginia Jr. Unlikely to be drafted.
Perry Jones 6-11 235 SF/PF Baylor Fr. Lottery.
Terrence Jones 6-9 241 SF Kentucky Fr. Lottery to mid first round.
Enes Kanter 6-11 261 PF/C Kentucky Fr. Top 5-10 pick.
Kawhi Leonard 6-7 220 SF San Diego St. So. Late lottery to mid first round.
Shelvin Mack 6-2 190 PG/SG Butler Jr. Likely late first to early second round.
Marcus Morris 6-9 230 PF Kansas Jr. Late lottery to mid first round.
Markieff Morris 6-9 230 PF Kansas Jr. Late lottery to mid first round.
Donatas Motiejunas 7-0 224 PF Lithuania 1990 Top 5-10 pick.
Kostas Papanikolaou 6-8 230 SF Greece 1990 Second round to likely undrafted.
Leon Radosevic 6-11 240 PF Croatia 1990 Second round to likely undrafted.
Thomas Robinson 6-8 240 PF Kansas So. Likely late first to early second round.
Josh Selby 6-3 183 PG Kansas Fr. Late first to likely second round.
Chris Singleton 6-9 221 SF/PF Florida St. Jr. Late lotto to early second round.
Trey Thompkins 6-9 245 PF Georgia Jr. Mid to late first round.
Jeremy Tyler 6-9 235 PF USA 1991 Late first to early second round.
Jonas Valenciunas 6-11 220 PF/C Lithuania 1992 Late lotto to mid first round.
Kemba Walker 6-0 179 PG UConn So. Late lotto to mid first round.
Derrick Williams 6-9 235 PF Arizona So. Top 3-5 pick.

MyFavMartin
03-30-2011, 12:51 PM
Ashton Gibbs of Pitt

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11088/1135541-100.stm

Mid 2nd Rd of 2012 by NBA draft.

6'2" 190lb PG

Previous MCL injury in February, 2011.

naptownmenace
03-30-2011, 01:04 PM
In no particular order:

Kahwi Leonard, Malcolm Lee, Shelvin Mack, Kemba Walker, Tyler Honeycutt, Jeremy Lamb, and Terrence Jones are interesting prospects.

DGPR
03-30-2011, 02:55 PM
How about Josh Selby in the late first round?

Trader Joe
03-30-2011, 03:37 PM
When will we be hearing about the early draft appetizers?

pacer4ever
03-30-2011, 05:13 PM
How about Josh Selby in the late first round?

NO

DGPR
03-30-2011, 06:23 PM
NO


Thanks for the valuable insight!

pacer4ever
03-30-2011, 06:32 PM
Thanks for the valuable insight!

I just dont like the idea of a 6"2 SG plus we arent gonna have a late first rd pick.

dal9
03-30-2011, 10:32 PM
Please post links here.


Jordan Williams of Univ. of Maryland

6"10" 260lb PF

Mocked at #24 in NBAdraft's 2012 Draft

Slow feet, but good size. Has some conditioning to work on and needs to drop some fat, gain muscle.



what did they mock him for? his slow feet, or his conditioning issues?

DGPR
03-30-2011, 10:51 PM
I just dont like the idea of a 6"2 SG plus we arent gonna have a late first rd pick.


We haven't seen enough of him to know that he can't play point guard. As a late first rounder or early second rounder I'd take a flyer on him if we could get another pick for cheap. You can never have enough young promising talent.

edit: This is all hypothetical talk anyway because we don't know if he is even going to declare. He'd be smart to return to Kansas for another year and stay healthy and improve.

MyFavMartin
03-31-2011, 02:45 PM
Sounds like Tobias Harris and Scotty Hopson both of Univ. of Tennessee might come out, esp. considering the Vols potential punishment by the NCAA.

Cherokee
03-31-2011, 02:47 PM
Entrees? I thought this was about food.

Dr. Hibbert
03-31-2011, 02:48 PM
Tom Pritchard, C, Indiana.

MyFavMartin
03-31-2011, 02:59 PM
Entrees? I thought this was about food.

That'd be entres.

Great. Now you've got me thinking about food.

pacer4ever
03-31-2011, 04:38 PM
Isiah Thomas declared today even though he promised he was staying. I can see Sulliger doing the same thing.

MyFavMartin
03-31-2011, 04:45 PM
Isiah Thomas declared today even though he promised he was staying. I can see Sulliger doing the same thing.

Not Zeke. :D

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Isaiah-Thomas-5678/

smj887
03-31-2011, 07:57 PM
That'd be entres.

Great. Now you've got me thinking about food.

Obviously it's not a big deal but

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Entree

Correct spelling for the title would've been Entries.

Speaking of early draft entries, Kokomo's Brandon Wood declared for the draft, though I had no idea he really had any pro prospects. Used to go to school with him, it'll be interesting to see if he gets a shot in the NBA.

MyFavMartin
04-05-2011, 11:31 AM
Players have until April 24 to enter the draft, and if they don’t sign with an agent, they can withdraw by May 8 to retain their NCAA eligibility.

MyFavMartin
04-05-2011, 11:40 AM
Trey Thompkins of Georgia (PF) has hired an agent.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2011/news/story?id=6295830

MyFavMartin
04-05-2011, 11:41 AM
English and Bowers of Mizzou in without agents.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2011/news/story?id=6292524

MyFavMartin
04-05-2011, 11:47 AM
Honeycutt of UCLA says he's in and hiring an agent.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2011/news/story?id=6292524

MyFavMartin
04-05-2011, 11:48 AM
Darius Morris of Michigan, no agent.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=6266825

Sparhawk
04-05-2011, 11:57 AM
Darius Morris of Michigan, no agent.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=6266825

I want this guy!

Really?
04-05-2011, 03:18 PM
Josh Shelby is now declared...

Sandman21
04-05-2011, 06:25 PM
I just dont like the idea of a 6"2 SG plus we arent gonna have a late first rd pick.

But 6"3 2-guards are okay?:p

cdash
04-05-2011, 06:40 PM
Trey Thompkins of Georgia (PF) has hired an agent.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2011/news/story?id=6295830

He intrigues me for some reason.

MyFavMartin
04-06-2011, 12:29 PM
Jereme Richmond of Illinois

http://www.fightingillini.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/040511aaa.html

MyFavMartin
04-06-2011, 12:31 PM
Josh Selby of Kansas isn't declared yet.

http://www2.kusports.com/news/2011/apr/05/josh-selby-las-vegas-working-out-mother-confirms/

Justin Tyme
04-06-2011, 01:34 PM
Tom Pritchard, C, Indiana.


LOL!! Best laugh I've had today.

Really?
04-06-2011, 04:55 PM
Josh Selby of Kansas isn't declared yet.

http://www2.kusports.com/news/2011/apr/05/josh-selby-las-vegas-working-out-mother-confirms/

Yeah just saw that... I bet he leaves though... but yeah I withdraw my he declared message now... Now I know how the reporters in Mizzou felt when they had stories saying Painter was coming, lol

LA_Confidential
04-06-2011, 05:02 PM
We need to use our pick on the best available athletic big man.

MyFavMartin
04-06-2011, 05:37 PM
Kyrie Irving of Duke is in. Cleveland is happy.

http://www.nj.com/college-basketball/index.ssf/2011/04/kyrie_irving_former_st_patrick_duke_pg_declares_fo r_nba_draft.html

Sparhawk
04-06-2011, 05:45 PM
Yeah just saw that... I bet he leaves though... but yeah I withdraw my he declared message now... Now I know how the reporters in Mizzou felt when they had stories saying Painter was coming, lol

Why would he declare? He lost his starting job. LOL That had to hurt his stock quite a bit.

Edit. But I guess if it's a weak draft class that would help out too.

PacersHomer
04-06-2011, 06:21 PM
No way on Selby. Huge character concerns and not worth the trouble.

If we needed a small forward I would be all for Chris Singleton. Very impressive shooter and defender.

Really?
04-06-2011, 07:43 PM
Why would he declare? He lost his starting job. LOL That had to hurt his stock quite a bit.

Edit. But I guess if it's a weak draft class that would help out too.

Well I just think that his hart has been on the NBA for a while, he didn't look happy in Kansas, if he transfers then he will have to wait a year, not super likely that he will start the point next year there well atleast at the beginning of the season. NBA scouts still see him as a player with potential, if he goes back to KU and has another subpar year it might cement his stock as a 2nd rd pick to free agent pick up.

Just my thought though.



No way on Selby. Huge character concerns and not worth the trouble.

If we needed a small forward I would be all for Chris Singleton. Very impressive shooter and defender.

Yeah not sure about us taking Selby.

It will be interesting to see how high Harrelson goes though.

Really?
04-06-2011, 07:45 PM
Oh yeah forgot to add Henson and Zeller say they are staying at UNC, that really hearts the strength of this draft.

BringJackBack
04-06-2011, 07:56 PM
Thank God that we don't have the opportunity to draft Henson or Zeller. I don't like their games for the NBA.

PacersHomer
04-06-2011, 08:39 PM
Same. Barnes should be very very good but Zeller and Henson don't appeal to me.

Really?
04-06-2011, 11:28 PM
I like both of their games for the NBA, Zeller will be a solid PF/C type player, Henson is good he just needs to get some lower body strength... I think they both have more upside than any player that will be there for us to pick.

Besides Jeremy Tyler...

MyFavMartin
04-07-2011, 10:33 PM
http://www.pacersdigest.com/showthread.php?p=1209552#post1209552

Morris twins of Kansas.

Justin Tyme
04-08-2011, 09:02 AM
Oh yeah forgot to add Henson and Zeller say they are staying at UNC, that really hearts the strength of this draft.


This draft was deemed to be a weak draft after seeing who entered last years draft. Even Bird said this was going to be a weak draft a few weeks ago when he stated the possibility of trading the Pacers #1 pick.

My gut feeling is there will be many enter the draft only to pull out prior to May 8th. The upcoming lockout is making many have 2nd thoughts.

troyc11a
04-08-2011, 09:22 AM
http://www.nbadraft.net/2011-nba-draft-early-entrants

Officially Entered / Eligible

Michael Dunigan 6-9 245 PF USA 1989 Unlikely to be drafted. (automatically eligible)
Ashton Gibbs 6-2 195 PG Pittsburgh Jr. Second round to (likely) undrafted. Link
Tobias Harris 6-8 210 SF/PF Tennessee Fr. Likely late first to early second round. Link
Tyler Honeycutt 6-7 195 SF UCLA So. Mid to late first round. (signing agent) Link
Scotty Hopson 6-7 205 SG Tennessee Jr. Second round to undrafted.
Malcolm Lee 6-5 180 PG UCLA Jr. Late first to second round.
Nikola Mirotic 6-10 225 SF/PF Montenegro 1991 Late first to likely second round.
Darius Morris 6-4 190 PG Michigan So. Late first to likely second round. Link
Jamine Peterson 6-6 240 PF USA 1988 Second round to undrafted. (automatically eligible)
Iman Shumpert 6-5 210 PG/SG G. Tech Jr. Second round to undrafted.
Greg Smith 6-10 249 PF/C Fresno St. So. Second round to undrafted. (signing agent) Link
Tristan Thompson 6-9 230 PF Texas Fr. Late lottery to mid first round. (signed agent) Link
Nikola Vucevic 6-10 240 PF USC Jr. Second round to undrafted. (signed agent) Link
Jordan Williams 6-10 260 PF Maryland Jr. Late first to early second round.

International

Andrew Albicy 5-9 170 PG France 1990 Second round to undrafted. Link
Ater Majok 6-9 210 SF/PF Australia 1989 Unlikely to be drafted. (automatically eligible)
Jan Vesely 6-11 230 SF/PF Czech Republic 1990 Lottery. Link
Max Zhang 7-3 225 C China Jr. Unlikely to be drafted. (automatically eligible)

Likely to Enter

Furkan Aldemir 6-10 PF Turkey 1990 Unlikely to be drafted.
Alec Burks 6-6 185 PG/SG Colorado So. Lottery.
Jordan Hamilton 6-7 208 SG/SF Texas So. Mid to late first round.
Elias Harris 6-8 230 PF Gonzaga So. Second round to undrafted.
Kyrie Irving 6-2 175 PG Duke Fr. Top 3-5 pick.
Kevin Jones 6-7 220 SF West Virginia Jr. Unlikely to be drafted.
Perry Jones 6-11 235 SF/PF Baylor Fr. Lottery.
Terrence Jones 6-9 241 SF Kentucky Fr. Lottery to mid first round.
Enes Kanter 6-11 261 PF/C Kentucky Fr. Top 5-10 pick.
Kawhi Leonard 6-7 220 SF San Diego St. So. Late lottery to mid first round.
Shelvin Mack 6-2 190 PG/SG Butler Jr. Likely late first to early second round.
Marcus Morris 6-9 230 PF Kansas Jr. Late lottery to mid first round.
Markieff Morris 6-9 230 PF Kansas Jr. Late lottery to mid first round.
Donatas Motiejunas 7-0 224 PF Lithuania 1990 Top 5-10 pick.
Kostas Papanikolaou 6-8 230 SF Greece 1990 Second round to likely undrafted.
Leon Radosevic 6-11 240 PF Croatia 1990 Second round to likely undrafted.
Thomas Robinson 6-8 240 PF Kansas So. Likely late first to early second round.
Josh Selby 6-3 183 PG Kansas Fr. Late first to likely second round.
Chris Singleton 6-9 221 SF/PF Florida St. Jr. Late lotto to early second round.
Trey Thompkins 6-9 245 PF Georgia Jr. Mid to late first round.
Jeremy Tyler 6-9 235 PF USA 1991 Late first to early second round.
Jonas Valenciunas 6-11 220 PF/C Lithuania 1992 Late lotto to mid first round.
Kemba Walker 6-0 179 PG UConn So. Late lotto to mid first round.
Derrick Williams 6-9 235 PF Arizona So. Top 3-5 pick.

I think this jordan Hamilton kid has game that will translate well to the NBA. I like a few of these guys but I would probably pick him because the other ones I like wont be available. I heard Bob Knight say he was one of the best offensive players in the country.

troyc11a
04-08-2011, 09:26 AM
We need to use our pick on the best available athletic big man.

Probably wont be one available when we pick. They usually go in top 10. Big men and point guards often go first. Dont see a point/big available when we pick. Knight/Irving types will be long gone as will athletic bigs. Should be plenty of wings available who can step in and help right away.
We simply need more talent regardless of position.

Really?
04-08-2011, 11:38 AM
I think this jordan Hamilton kid has game that will translate well to the NBA. I like a few of these guys but I would probably pick him because the other ones I like wont be available. I heard Bob Knight say he was one of the best offensive players in the country.

He kind of reminds me of Marvin Williams a little...

Justin Tyme
04-08-2011, 12:50 PM
Should be plenty of wings available who can step in and help right away.



WHAT!?!? Right away!!! Just who at wing do you think at #15 is going to come in and help right away?? Like Stephenson, the best player to ever come out of NYC has, right? Cough cough.

Really?
04-08-2011, 02:54 PM
WHAT!?!? Right away!!! Just who at wing do you think at #15 is going to come in and help right away?? Like Stephenson, the best player to ever come out of NYC has, right? Cough cough.

Jordan Hamilton, Honeycutt, Leonard, Singler, Singleton, Harris(maybe), Taylor, Leslie.

Help right away and start are two different things, Players can be contributors off the bench and not knowing who will still be around next year our first round draft pick could definitely get PT at that position, potentially losing Rush, Dunleavy, Jones...

Justin Tyme
04-08-2011, 03:51 PM
Jordan Hamilton, Honeycutt, Leonard, Singler, Singleton, Harris(maybe), Taylor, Leslie.

Help right away and start are two different things, Players can be contributors off the bench and not knowing who will still be around next year our first round draft pick could definitely get PT at that position, potentially losing Rush, Dunleavy, Jones...


If Stephenson can't sniff the court, what makes all these players from a weak draft going to get PT?

Since you want to play "potentially", potentially the Pacers can hire a new coach who does not play rookies too. My comment is connected to that we go thru this every year at draft time that player X is the guy to draft b/c of all his potential. He'll come in and immediately contribute. Maybe the definition of "help right away" needs to be defined.

Let us take a stroll down memory lane from last year. There were those that wanted Cole Aldrich drafted 1 place behind Paul George. How much has he contributed? Better yet how much has he played? Avery Bradley, James Anderson, Daniel Orton, D Jones, etc?

Patrick Patterson was a player I liked who hss been injured and played little until recently. There have been numerous rookies injured this season besides Patterson such as Jones & Elliot Williams to mention a few. Let us not forget our own Hansbro last year. How much immediate help was he?

How about those players that some wanted such as Dexter Pitman, Arom Johnson, Varnardo, Ebanks, Butler, Whiteside, and Solomon Alabi. How much have they truly contributed to their teams this year?

Making a broad statement of "step in and help right away" is just going overboard. NO ONE knows if unknown player X drafted at #15 is going to be able to do anything but sit in a suit behind the bench or sitting at the end of the bench with his fingers crossed that hopefully the coach will call his name for some mop up garbage time.

Whenever the Pacers draft a player, I seldom view them as someone who can "Step in and help right away." Most rookies have to pay their dues unless you are Wade, James, etc.

Really?
04-08-2011, 09:37 PM
If Stephenson can't sniff the court, what makes all these players from a weak draft going to get PT?

Since you want to play "potentially", potentially the Pacers can hire a new coach who does not play rookies too. My comment is connected to that we go thru this every year at draft time that player X is the guy to draft b/c of all his potential. He'll come in and immediately contribute. Maybe the definition of "help right away" needs to be defined.

Let us take a stroll down memory lane from last year. There were those that wanted Cole Aldrich drafted 1 place behind Paul George. How much has he contributed? Better yet how much has he played? Avery Bradley, James Anderson, Daniel Orton, D Jones, etc?

Patrick Patterson was a player I liked who hss been injured and played little until recently. There have been numerous rookies injured this season besides Patterson such as Jones & Elliot Williams to mention a few. Let us not forget our own Hansbro last year. How much immediate help was he?

How about those players that some wanted such as Dexter Pitman, Arom Johnson, Varnardo, Ebanks, Butler, Whiteside, and Solomon Alabi. How much have they truly contributed to their teams this year?

Making a broad statement of "step in and help right away" is just going overboard. NO ONE knows if unknown player X drafted at #15 is going to be able to do anything but sit in a suit behind the bench or sitting at the end of the bench with his fingers crossed that hopefully the coach will call his name for some mop up garbage time.

Whenever the Pacers draft a player, I seldom view them as someone who can "Step in and help right away." Most rookies have to pay their dues unless you are Wade, James, etc.

Lol what are you talking about...

Of course people are talking about what potentially could happen, I mean what is the point of talking about what may not potentially happen. I dont understand....

Anyways from the other statements I never said anything about a player having a bunch of potential.

As I said before come in and contribute is what we mean, or atleast what I mean... I gave a situation of how this could come about...

Stephenson could have came in and contributed but there were factors that came in to play that didn't let him.

As far as the players that you mentioned that aren't contributing to their teams... that means nothing.

Depending on what team they go to really determines the amount of PT that they will get as well as the amount that they will be able to help their team, add Tyler to that list he could have if situations were different. Who is the last Pacer that has been a first round draft pick that hasn't contributed (helped right away, off the bench or starter) in his first year. Tyler, Shawne Williams(i guess) what about before him...

Really?
04-08-2011, 09:38 PM
WHAT!?!? Right away!!! Just who at wing do you think at #15 is going to come in and help right away?? Like Stephenson, the best player to ever come out of NYC has, right? Cough cough.

Lol all he said was help right away...? he didn't say in what way or what magnitude, I think you are changing the definition too much from what he was saying....

Thats all...

Pacersalltheway10
04-09-2011, 03:20 PM
Shelvin Mack promised to Ronald Nored that they would finish their college careers together before they played VCU. I hope he doesn't let that promise down.