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    Hansbrough beginning to blossom for Pacers


    Written by
    Bob Kravitz



    Tyler Hansbrough doesn't play video games. Not that he has anything against video games, but they remind him of some of the worst times of his life, when he was back home in Missouri, unable to work out or lead a normal life, sidelined with vertigo and reduced to doing nothing more than playing video games on his couch.

    "I hate 'em now,'' he said, smiling. "But it was the only thing I could do. I was pretty confined, just staying in the house. I'd call up friends, say, 'Let's play Xbox,' just so I could have somebody to talk to. I was at the bottom then. When they told me, 'Just go home and concentrate on getting better,' that was the worst. I didn't know if I'd ever get back on the basketball court.''

    One year later, take a look.

    A star is being born in Indiana, Hansbrough going for a career-high 30 points in Tuesday night's manic 119-117 victory over the New York Knicks. He got on this roll five games ago, and has now scored 26, 21, 20, 29 and 30 points, the most consecutive 20-plus point games by a Pacers player all season.

    Two things have happened:

    For one, he's getting playing time. You wonder, if Jim O'Brien had stuck around, would Hansbrough have ever found the floor? Quick answer: No.

    Two, he has gotten into NBA shape. Remember, he went more than eight months without working out, without playing basketball or jogging or doing much of anything besides waiting for the dizziness to subside. It wasn't until roughly three weeks ago that Hansbrough started to feel like he did at North Carolina.

    "You go all that time doing nothing, and now you're playing against the best players in the world, you're not going to be at your best,'' Hansbrough said. ". . . To be honest, I didn't even know if I was going to be ready for training camp. The doctors gave me the OK, I went from doing nothing to six-hour practices. It was miserable for a while. Then there were stretches when coach O'Brien wasn't playing me, so I wasn't getting any experience.''

    It wasn't as miserable, though, as going and staying home last year. It was lonely and frustrating, the former North Carolina star lost in the darkness of an odd malady most of us can't begin to understand. The best part of his life, the one thing he'd always known, had been taken away.

    I asked him Tuesday night what vertigo felt like.

    He shook his head.

    "It's like being really drunk, or that's what people tell me it's like,'' he said. "I've never had a drink, but that's what I'm told. I couldn't sleep. I just had to lay still. It got pretty harsh at times.''

    Five, six games don't make a career, but we're starting to see what Larry Bird saw when he drafted Hansbrough and was roundly criticized for the choice. At the time, Bird told me Hansbrough reminded him of Celtics great Dave Cowens, a comparison, honestly, that seemed a bit audacious.

    I wondered, and many of us wondered: How will his game translate to the NBA? How could an undersized power forward ever hope to get his shot off in the post against bigger, longer opponents? He could play that face-first manic style in college, but in the NBA, he would be swatted every time he put the ball up.

    Right now, Bird is looking a lot smarter than the rest of us.

    "There are plenty of energy guys in this league who work that hard and do all the dirty work,'' interim coach Frank Vogel said. "But combine a guy like that with the offensive skill set he has, it's pretty rare.''

    His game is completely unique, especially at this level. "Unorthodox,'' Hansbrough called it. Especially in the low post, where he goes to his right 100 times out of 100, elevates about six inches and throws that goofy floor hook (the opposite of a sky hook) toward the rim. And if he misses or gets blocked? Not a problem. He follows it up and tosses it up there again, either scoring or drawing a foul.

    Throw in an ever-improving jumper from the elbow, where he and Darren Collison have turned into a nice pick-and-pop combination, and you have a growing young piece of the Pacers nucleus.

    "He's funny to watch, but in a good way,'' Josh McRoberts said. "I mean, you know what he's going to do. He's just a bowling ball in there. He looks for contact.''

    There haven't been a lot of great stories around the Pacers this season, haven't been a lot of great nights like the one we witnessed Tuesday at the fieldhouse. But we're starting to see some growth, whether it's Collison making shots, Roy Hibbert playing big down the stretch or Danny Granger doing his Carmelo Anthony imitation.

    For Hansbrough, one of the season's best comeback stories, the victory already has been earned. He's playing real basketball now, not video hoops.

    Indystar
    http://www.indystar.com/article/2011...blossom-Pacers
    Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

    ------

    "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

    -John Wooden

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    Re: Kravitz-Hansbrough beginning to blossom for Pacers

    Tyler's never had a drink?



    I believe it.

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      Re: Kravitz-Hansbrough beginning to blossom for Pacers

      Originally posted by Bball View Post
      Hansbrough beginning to blossom for PacersFor one, he's getting playing time. You wonder, if Jim O'Brien had stuck around, would Hansbrough have ever found the floor? Quick answer: No.
      http://www.indystar.com/article/2011...blossom-Pacers
      Kravitz articles are like the posts that most annoy me around here. I have no desire to defend the old coach, but Tyler was starting when he got fired. Kravitz is a hack and this is exactly why his quotes are worthless, either he intentionally lies or doesn't know what the hell he is talking about.

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        Re: Kravitz-Hansbrough beginning to blossom for Pacers

        Originally posted by Day-V View Post
        Tyler's never had a drink?



        I believe it.

        I've never had one either, i totally believe it.

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          Re: Kravitz-Hansbrough beginning to blossom for Pacers

          Originally posted by BBQ View Post
          I've never had one either, i totally believe it.
          Me neither. I found that an interesting little tidbit on Tyler.

          So, is what he's shown in the month of March the real Hansbrough? If so, does that drastically change how we look at our upcoming offseason; i.e., bye bye, Randolph or West?

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            Re: Kravitz-Hansbrough beginning to blossom for Pacers

            Originally posted by Day-V View Post
            Tyler's never had a drink?



            I believe it.
            I don't know about that. I have never been drunk, but I do drink when I feel like it (anything sour is delicious). I honestly just can't stand the taste of alcohol, makes me want to puke.
            First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.

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            • #7
              Re: Kravitz-Hansbrough beginning to blossom for Pacers

              Shame on you Bob Kravitz ........... Oh wait, this is positive ...........
              @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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                Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                Shame on you Bob Kravitz ........... Oh wait, this is positive ...........
                All the stuff about Tyler and Vertigo is good and worth the read. However someone getting paid for making up lies in an effort to take a cheap shot at a person the organization would prefer the fans just forget is very negative. I mean does one really need to lie to make that guy look bad? I am sure you would agree that the answer is no.

                Positive/negative/neutral the man is a Douche. I am saddened that to the Majority of Indianapolis Wells and Kravitz are where they learn about the team, however people do believe what they read in the Star and even opinion Collumnist should have some level of accountability. In Ne Indiana sports bars don't even know FSI exists, and they don't make the paper anymore than any non Indidana NBA team. so there is obviously a lot of marketing shortcomings with this organization and a local writer should not actively work against the teams best interest by fabricating data for no other reason than to remind people of something that the organization is trying to move pass.

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                • #9
                  Re: Kravitz-Hansbrough beginning to blossom for Pacers

                  Originally posted by spazzxb View Post
                  Kravitz articles are like the posts that most annoy me around here. I have no desire to defend the old coach, but Tyler was starting when he got fired. Kravitz is a hack and this is exactly why his quotes are worthless, either he intentionally lies or doesn't know what the hell he is talking about.

                  Yes, when I read that part I had the same thoughts as you. Tyler had started 12 straight games. In fact it was Vogel who returned Tyler to the bench to start the games. He's only started the past four games
                  Last edited by Unclebuck; 03-16-2011, 07:35 AM.

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                    Re: Kravitz-Hansbrough beginning to blossom for Pacers

                    Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                    Yes, when I read that part I had the same thoughts as you. Tyler had started 12 straight games. In fact it was Vogel who returned Tyler to the bench to start the games. He's only started the past four games
                    He may have started but his minutes were down. Kravitz was closer to being on the money here than usual.

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                      Re: Kravitz-Hansbrough beginning to blossom for Pacers

                      i think what bob was referring to was that tyler's minutes were inconsistent. even though tyler was starting towards the end of JOB, he really wasn't given much of a chance to shine under JOB. looking back, tyler's DNP CD's seem inexcuseable, as Tyler is arguably our best player.
                      Being unable to close out a game in which you have a comfortable lead in the 4th Q = Pulling a Frank Vogel

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                      • #12
                        Re: Kravitz-Hansbrough beginning to blossom for Pacers

                        Kravitz was very adament about drafting D Blair over him. Thank god that never happened. People can doubt Tyler all they want, he will shut them up when he wins an MVP award.

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                          Re: Kravitz-Hansbrough beginning to blossom for Pacers

                          Originally posted by Sparhawk View Post
                          I don't know about that. I have never been drunk, but I do drink when I feel like it (anything sour is delicious). I honestly just can't stand the taste of alcohol, makes me want to puke.
                          Originally posted by Jared Sullinger View Post
                          Me neither. I found that an interesting little tidbit on Tyler.
                          Originally posted by BBQ View Post
                          I've never had one either, i totally believe it.
                          Well, I'm an alcoholic.

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                            Re: Kravitz-Hansbrough beginning to blossom for Pacers

                            Originally posted by troyc11a View Post
                            He may have started but his minutes were down. Kravitz was closer to being on the money here than usual.
                            No. Kravitz said:

                            Originally posted by Bob Kravitz
                            You wonder, if Jim O'Brien had stuck around, would Hansbrough have ever found the floor? Quick answer: No.
                            He didn't say, would Tyler have gotten consistent playing time, or enough playing time, or the right playing time. He implied Tyler got NO playing time.

                            Unnecessary, when he could have simply said:

                            Originally posted by A Less Smart-Alecky Bob Kravitz
                            You wonder, if Jim O'Brien had stuck around, would Hansbrough have ever gotten the time to develop like this? Quick answer: No.
                            BillS

                            A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
                            Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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                            • #15
                              Re: Kravitz-Hansbrough beginning to blossom for Pacers

                              Regardless of any spin Kravitz puts on it, this is a great article just as a reminder of all that Tyler went through last season, and even before his rookie year with the shin splints. During the summer when the vertigo didn't seem to be going away at all, I was almost positive he was done. I felt like we'd go through the season hearing that he is "improving, but not ready" and eventually the team would just use the insurance on his contract and release him (or however it works when a guy's injury is career ending).

                              Fast forward to now and he's put up 59 points in 2 games and has just been playing like an all-out beast, and it almost makes me forget the rest of the team didn't care for half of March.

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