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You Be Frank: Make an 8 man rotation for the rest of the season.

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  • You Be Frank: Make an 8 man rotation for the rest of the season.

    right now the pacers are using an 11 man rotation. and trying to play the young guys and make the playoffs both at the same time. it would appear that trying to do both things at the same time is the same as doing neither. actually that’s not true. if you play the kids and they mess up without penalty, the vets will stop playing hard and just go thru the motions. you can fool the fans on what you’re doing with the rotation, but you cannot fool the veteran players. as soon as the goal is not winning the games for the team, the goal for the vets is getting my numbers.

    the vets are starting to yell at the kids to pay attention to what they are doing and it’s 50/50 if the kids are paying attention. so what should the pacers do? and what rotation should they use?

    pacers need to pick and 8 man rotation to play each game. if you want to move guys in and out of the rotation because of poor play, that’s fine. but you have to have an identity and a plan. right now the pacers have neither.

    here are my ideas on some rotations.

    1) pacers should try to make the playoffs. [ie try to win]

    PG – DC/AJ
    SG – george/[rush or dahntay]
    SF – granger
    PF – foster, mcroberts
    C – hibbert

    rational: these are the guys that can both play and won’t make mistakes. you’re counting on DC, paul, danny and roy to score. jeff and josh to rebound and defend. try to win as many games as you can. if more scoring is needed in the front court, sub tyler for jeff or josh.

    2) play the kids.

    PG – AJ/DC
    SG – George/Stephenson
    SF – Granger
    PF – McRoberts/Hansbrough
    C – Hibbert

    rational: pretty straight forward. sit the vets. let the kids play and live with their mistakes. since AJ and DC are both young, I put Stephenson at SG. it will not hurt his development to spend the rest of the season as a 2 instead of a 1. actually it will probably be good for him working without the ball for a change.

    3) start the goon squad + danny

    PG – AJ/DC
    SG – george/dahntay
    SF – granger
    PF – hanbrough
    C – foster/hibbert

    rational: the good squad has been the closest to a smashmouth team that the pacers have. they play with force and are willing to bang. pacers want to be a smashmouth team, time to play smashmouth players.


    now these are not the only lineups the pacers could use of course. I am open to suggestion. rules are simple. 8 man rotations. that forces choices. if you want to add a guy to get developmental minutes, fine just indicate who gets to play for 5mpg and who is a real rotation player.

  • #2
    Re: You Be Frank: Make an 8 man rotation for the rest of the season.

    Lance needs to get some minutes at PG. he's too good to just go against Shooting Guards, he needs to take advantage of the size difference against smaller point guards.

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    • #3
      Re: You Be Frank: Make an 8 man rotation for the rest of the season.

      forgot to add mine.

      PG - AJ/Lance
      SG - george/dahntay
      SF - danny
      PF - jeff/josh
      C - roy

      my thinking is AJ is your best PG, start him. if lance can play well enough, [ie remember where he's supposed to be], then let him get minutes as the backup PG. if he is an epic fail, then play DC. time for paul to fish or cut bait. if he is a good player, then be a good player. let's score 500 points in the last 30 games. it is time to be the man. dahntay is the only guy physical enough to play the 3. plus he defends. and is willing to score. jeff right now is probably the teams best big. and josh is playing better than tyler.

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      • #4
        Re: You Be Frank: Make an 8 man rotation for the rest of the season.

        Originally posted by luis3ep View Post
        Lance needs to get some minutes at PG. he's too good to just go against Shooting Guards, he needs to take advantage of the size difference against smaller point guards.
        ok, so pick an 8 man rotation. who plays and who sits?

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        • #5
          Re: You Be Frank: Make an 8 man rotation for the rest of the season.

          DC/Lance
          George/Rush
          Danny
          Tyler/Josh
          Roy/

          Why? Simple, these are the best players on the team.

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          • #6
            Re: You Be Frank: Make an 8 man rotation for the rest of the season.

            PG- DC/Lance
            SG- Paul/Rush
            SF- Danny
            PF- Tyler/Josh
            C- Roy

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            • #7
              Re: You Be Frank: Make an 8 man rotation for the rest of the season.

              I like these threads about once a month to figure out the forum's "Pulses" on players and rotations. Here's mine.. It's a lot different than what is going on right now and there is like 0% chance that this rotation happens:

              Lance*/DC
              George/Lance/Rush
              Granger/Rush
              Hansbrough/McRoberts
              Hibbert/Foster

              That's nine deep, but a lot of games Rush will only play like 5 minutes per. A couple of things:

              -I put Hansbrough into the starting lineup.. I think he's grown a lot and he'll play better as a starter.

              -I am starting George.. But at this point it should be a common sense thing.

              *I think Lance is too talented to not be playing a lot of minutes. I'm in a huge minority but it's whatever. He seems to be very good and he should be playing ahead of DC (With the way he's been playing) and AJ. Lance also gets our starters going; Particularly Danny and Hansbrough.

              Again this is a dream world where Lance is conditioned too.

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              • #8
                Re: You Be Frank: Make an 8 man rotation for the rest of the season.

                It depends on what you want to do..

                You want to win (I'm gonna make it nine, because you can't cut any of the bigs, and we need another wing.)

                AJ/DC (this is called making DC's head explode with Dahntay..)
                PG/Dahntay
                Danny
                Josh/Hans
                Hibbert/Foster

                You want to develop the kids
                DC/AJ/Lance
                PG/Lance
                Danny/Rush
                Josh/Tyler
                Hibbert/Foster (This is called making Foster's head explode with all the kids..)

                Combo..I think the 10 man rotation is needed

                DC/AJ
                PG/Lance
                Danny/Dahntay
                Josh/Tyler
                Hibbert/Foster
                Last edited by Sookie; 03-07-2011, 05:00 PM.

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                • #9
                  Re: You Be Frank: Make an 8 man rotation for the rest of the season.

                  Point Guard - DC, if he keeps playing like ****, bench him for AJ.
                  Shooting Guard - Paul George
                  Small Forward - Danny Granger
                  Power Forward - Tyler Hansbrough
                  Center - Roy Hibbert

                  Bench -
                  Point Guard - AJ Price / Lance
                  Shooting Guard - Rush / Dahntay
                  Small Forward - Granger / George
                  Power Forward - McRoberts / Foster
                  Center - Foster

                  i don't even know if that's an 8 man rotation and i dont care. I have nothing against McRoberts, but i think Tyler needs starters minutes to really contribute to this team like i know he can. I'm giving DC a little more time to play better, but if he keeps this poor form, he needs to get benched. AJ is more than capable. Lance needs more minutes, and Paul George needs to take Rush's minutes. I appreciate the 17pt 4th quarter Dahntay had a few games back, but he's playing average at best again. Foster is our best rebounder by far, and is VERY solid despite his age. I love Foster.

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                  • #10
                    Re: You Be Frank: Make an 8 man rotation for the rest of the season.

                    Collison/Stephenson
                    George/Stephenson
                    Granger/George
                    Hansbrough/McRoberts
                    Hibbert/Foster

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                    • #11
                      Re: You Be Frank: Make an 8 man rotation for the rest of the season.

                      PG – DC/Stephenson
                      SG – Rush/George
                      SF – Granger
                      PF – Hansbrough/McRoberts
                      C – Hibbert

                      That's what I want. I think Paul would look so much better if he got more time with Josh and Lance so he could be more of a focal point on offense/not have to do all the work himself. The other reason I swapped Josh with Hans is because it seems smarter to me to have someone at PF who can get his own shot or is at least willing to call his own number more often than Josh does. Then Brandon is still in the lineup because I think his defense is needed on the other teams starting SGs/SFs plus he can always knock down 3s.

                      I would feel really bad for AJ still since he can ball better than DC and Lance at times but someone has to be left out. In all honesty, we need Foster's toughness and D too but an 8 man rotation is what you asked for so that is what I gave.

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                      • #12
                        Re: You Be Frank: Make an 8 man rotation for the rest of the season.

                        Originally posted by Sookie View Post
                        It depends on what you want to do..

                        You want to win (I'm gonna make it nine, because you can't cut any of the bigs, and we need another wing.)

                        AJ/DC
                        PG/Dahntay
                        Danny
                        Josh/Hans
                        Hibbert/Foster

                        You want to develop the kids
                        DC/AJ/Lance
                        PG/Lance
                        Danny/Rush
                        Josh/Tyler
                        Hibbert/Foster

                        Combo..I think the 10 man rotation is needed

                        DC/AJ
                        PG/Lance
                        Danny/Dahntay
                        Josh/Tyler
                        Hibbert/Foster
                        but sookie, now you have what the pacers have currently. trying to win and play the kids at the same time. if you are going to play the kids without expecting them to win, you will lose the vets. jmo, but you cannot play a 10 man do both lineup. there has to be a choice. otherwise the vets will tune vogel out and the pacers go 5-25.

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                        • #13
                          Re: You Be Frank: Make an 8 man rotation for the rest of the season.

                          I think we'd be worse with an 8 man rotation than we would with our current 11 man.

                          We need all four of our bigs. Anything less than a 9 man rotation won't function...and that would leave out a couple of players some want to see play.
                          "man, PG has been really good."

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                          • #14
                            Re: You Be Frank: Make an 8 man rotation for the rest of the season.

                            Here is why I am not starting DC too. This is bad for a scorer:

                            MikeWellsNBA Mike Wells
                            Darren Collison is shooting 36 percent and has less than a 2-to-1 assist-to-turnover ratio in the past 12 games. Indy 5-7 in those games
                            1 hour ago

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                            • #15
                              Re: You Be Frank: Make an 8 man rotation for the rest of the season.

                              Originally posted by xIndyFan View Post
                              but sookie, now you have what the pacers have currently. trying to win and play the kids at the same time. if you are going to play the kids without expecting them to win, you will lose the vets. jmo, but you cannot play a 10 man do both lineup. there has to be a choice. otherwise the vets will tune vogel out and the pacers go 5-25.
                              we have an 11 man rotation right now, we were doing well with a 10 man rotation.

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