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ilive4sports
03-05-2011, 10:53 PM
There will always be something to complain about, and people who love nothing more than complaining.

Word of advice: You'll enjoy the games much more if you avoid game threads.

I'm really about to stop looking in them. They are absolutely ridiculous.

pacer4ever
03-05-2011, 10:53 PM
Were in the middle of blowing it up already. Besides Danny all our major pieces are on rookie deals.

Ya Blow it up means trade DG if we get propper value 2 1st rd picks and a prospect

PacerPenguins
03-05-2011, 10:53 PM
we suck

PacerPenguins
03-05-2011, 10:53 PM
roy is so lackadaisical

ilive4sports
03-05-2011, 10:53 PM
Ya Blow it up means trade DG if we get propper value

And put us back a few more years to keep losing, great idea:rolleyes:

boombaby_rm31
03-05-2011, 10:54 PM
what an upset

boombaby_rm31
03-05-2011, 10:55 PM
lol its over. goodnight

BringJackBack
03-05-2011, 10:55 PM
The talent is in the young guys. You can't have it both ways.

And I know I have seen you complain about Mike and have said PG should start.

PG should start because he is better, but Mike is better than Rush. A lot better.

AesopRockOn
03-05-2011, 10:55 PM
http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/cat-reactions-2.jpg

PacerPenguins
03-05-2011, 10:55 PM
DC U SUCK!!!!!

TheDon
03-05-2011, 10:55 PM
Why the **** was roy all the way out at the 3pt line on defense?!?!

croz24
03-05-2011, 10:55 PM
And where exactly did you come up with that statistic...?

it's obviously not a statistic as it's nearly impossible to quantify such a thing. but it is a common saying and if you've played competitive basketball, you'd know it to be true. defense is about staying with your man, in front of your man, playing the angles, staying grounded, staying low, and having your arms up and ready at all times whether in the face of the offensive player or extended to steal a pass or dribble. and at the nba level, every player is athletically capable of being a good defender, most choose not to be.

pacer4ever
03-05-2011, 10:55 PM
And put us back a few more years to keep losing, great idea:rolleyes:

That really wouldnt put us back any farther than we already are. We need more talent to contend any way.

oxxo
03-05-2011, 10:56 PM
And how about we let out players develop some more? What happened to the school of thought "we're okay with losing as long as the young guys play"? Game threads are ridiculous on here. This team is extremely young. Are we the most talented? Of course not, but we have some damn nice pieces. They all just happen to be rookies thru third year players plus Granger.

Because of the way we are losing. The defense is getting worse and worse. The offense is getting more and more stagnant. We aren't getting better and there isn't the typical 'ups and downs'.

DC for example looks horrible. He is doing absolutely nothing on offense and constantly gets burned on defense.

dal9
03-05-2011, 10:56 PM
postgame thread, guys

LA_Confidential
03-05-2011, 10:56 PM
And how about we let out players develop some more? What happened to the school of thought "we're okay with losing as long as the young guys play"? Game threads are ridiculous on here. This team is extremely young. Are we the most talented? Of course not, but we have some damn nice pieces. They all just happen to be rookies thru third year players plus Granger.

I think that logic was used as a tool to cope with JOB. Plus the infusion of hope we were given by coach Vogel and the handful of W's we got when the young guys finally started playing may have given us a sense of entitlement.

PacerPenguins
03-05-2011, 10:56 PM
DC IS DUMB AND CANT PLAY BALL

crunk-juice
03-05-2011, 10:56 PM
the Pacers have some magical ability to make anyone who joins the team suck.

DemonHunter1105
03-05-2011, 10:56 PM
Danny is actually doing really good IMO, too bad we suck too much.

TheDon
03-05-2011, 10:56 PM
Back up to 23pt lead

ilive4sports
03-05-2011, 10:57 PM
That really wouldnt put us back any farther than we already are. We need more talent to contend any way.

It would put us back at least 2 years and its much easier said than done. If there was a deal able to be made, Larry would make it.

BringJackBack
03-05-2011, 10:57 PM
Okay, I want the young guys who care. Not DC, Rush, etc..

graphic-er
03-05-2011, 10:57 PM
WE are so terrible on defense. Its embarrassing.

imawhat
03-05-2011, 10:57 PM
I've officially had enough of Darren. I never liked him at UCLA, and I don't like him now.

pacer4ever
03-05-2011, 10:57 PM
D E F E N S E

Trophy
03-05-2011, 10:58 PM
This is disgusting.

No one gives a ****.

Thoreau87
03-05-2011, 10:58 PM
again how is it gonna happen? The only way I see it happing is if he demands a trade. Because with him being a RFA he would be a Clipper for awhile. Unless he agrees to a 1 yr deal with a team the Clippers match and then they would have to trade him. Because they would lose him for nothing the next year. But than he is 3 yrs away from being a Pacer if that is EJ's plan


EDIT: im sure he wants to come home ive heard that. Because of endorsements and such he would get being in IN and being the guy.

He's under contract through next season and if he wants out he'll just accept the most money he can for 1 year, forcing the Clippers hand. He could realistically be a Pacer via trade in 1.3 seasons if you look at it that way. Of course that's contingent on a new CBA.

pacer4ever
03-05-2011, 10:58 PM
BLOW IT UP

ilive4sports
03-05-2011, 10:58 PM
Right on that play is everything wrong with our defense. There was absolutely no need for 3 guys to swarm him. Roy could have played that straight up, yet our defense collapsed and there is an open three.

Sookie
03-05-2011, 10:59 PM
Okay. Bring in the Goon Squad now, see if they can dig us out of the whole by the fourth quarter..if not..pack it in..

ilive4sports
03-05-2011, 10:59 PM
BLOW IT UP

You do realize that most of our defensive problems are the defensive schemes we run right?

BringJackBack
03-05-2011, 11:00 PM
Yeah I don't ever want to see DC again. And that is not just joking around in game threads.. Ditto for Rush.

PacerPenguins
03-05-2011, 11:00 PM
we r so bad...roy come on ur 7' 2" and play like DC..... scared little *****

pacer4ever
03-05-2011, 11:01 PM
He's under contract through next season and if he wants out he'll just accept the most money he can for 1 year, forcing the Clippers hand. He could realistically be a Pacer via trade in 1.3 seasons if you look at it that way. Of course that's contingent on a new CBA.

Thats a big risk taking the 1 yr deal. If he suffers a majory injury but I hope he does it. He is stud and would help so much.


If he comes here i will :dance::dance::dance::dance::dance: for ever

graphic-er
03-05-2011, 11:01 PM
Danny is actually doing really good IMO, too bad we suck too much.

I agree, Danny has made some real heads up passes for easy buckets all night long. He has gotten to the line as well. It terrible that the rest of the team can't step it up and meet him half way.

AesopRockOn
03-05-2011, 11:01 PM
This game is over. But will we show heart and at least try to give them a game?

croz24
03-05-2011, 11:01 PM
lol danny left his man open at the 3pt line to cover a guy under the basket then tried placing blame on mcroberts after the play. danny if you were making a switch, you can't just assume the team knows you switched. there's no communicatioin on this team offensively and especially defensively. our defensive rotations are among the worst in the league.

DemonHunter1105
03-05-2011, 11:02 PM
I don't want to annoy you guys by repeating myself, but this Danny Granger is actually trying to create for others at the moment and I really like it. I just hope he doesn't go away next game.

Unclebuck
03-05-2011, 11:02 PM
So does this mean our coach wasn't our only problem?

pacer4ever
03-05-2011, 11:02 PM
You do realize that most of our defensive problems are the defensive schemes we run right?

Yes That is the first thing Vogel should have changed

speakout4
03-05-2011, 11:02 PM
Yeah I don't ever want to see DC again. And that is not just joking around in game threads.. Ditto for Rush.
You just can't start Brandon. he is a ******SG and takes no more shots than foster.

oxxo
03-05-2011, 11:03 PM
So does this mean our coach wasn't our only problem?

Of course not. No one was saying that. Why do you always try to bring it up and start arguments with people?

TheDon
03-05-2011, 11:03 PM
Are we allowed to forefit a game? Lmao @ these losers shouting and 1 EVERY time down the floor

imawhat
03-05-2011, 11:03 PM
Good to see Danny giving an effort right now. We need it bad.

PacerPenguins
03-05-2011, 11:03 PM
my new sig!

Merz
03-05-2011, 11:03 PM
This game + rockets announcers = :suicide:

ilive4sports
03-05-2011, 11:04 PM
I don't want to annoy you guys by repeating myself, but this Danny Granger is actually trying to create for others at the moment and I really like it. I just hope he doesn't go away next game.

Heres a little secret, he does this most games.

And UB the problem is that we are running the same defensive scheme that we ran with JOB.

imawhat
03-05-2011, 11:04 PM
So does this mean our coach wasn't our only problem?

Let. It. Go.

BringJackBack
03-05-2011, 11:05 PM
So does this mean our coach wasn't our only problem?

Of course. Brandon, Josh, and Collison are three of the worst starters in the league (Josh is good when he's paying attention, but he's very inconsistent). Same for Mike when he was starting. Roy can't make plays when Rush and Danny are wanting the ball at the three point line and they refuse to cut. They are lazy. The defense is worse.

Our hopes are for Lance and George to come in next season a lot better and to get a star power forward along with a Jamal Crawford/OJ Mayo. If we don't get that than we are probably screwed.

Sookie
03-05-2011, 11:06 PM
I feel bad for Danny right now. He's showing a lot of effort..

BringJackBack
03-05-2011, 11:06 PM
my new sig!

Yeah, that's not appropriate.

AesopRockOn
03-05-2011, 11:06 PM
This game + rockets announcers = :suicide:

I thought they've been okay.

Mr_Smith
03-05-2011, 11:06 PM
Does anybody else cringe when Danny drives or when Roy does his post moves?

Thoreau87
03-05-2011, 11:06 PM
Thats a big risk taking the 1 yr deal. If he suffers a majory injury but I hope he does it. He is stud and would help so much.


If he comes here i will :dance::dance::dance::dance::dance: for ever

There may not be a team for him to come home to if we keep playing like this (worst nightmare ever)... :happydanc -->Clippers game in ~ 30 min!

Trophy
03-05-2011, 11:06 PM
This is pretty much another Danny having a decent game and everyone else is playing like ****.

pacer4ever
03-05-2011, 11:07 PM
I feel bad for Danny right now. He's showing a lot of effort..

I hope we trade him so he can play in a better siuation this is just horrible we are wasting his career

PacerPenguins
03-05-2011, 11:07 PM
we are so bad on D and getting rebounds

PacersFan1991
03-05-2011, 11:08 PM
http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/54/picard_facepalm.jpg

BringJackBack
03-05-2011, 11:09 PM
Oh Collison is so bad. He is really, really bad. It seriously makes me sad because we had such hopes for him.. But he's just TJ with a better shot at the rim.

PacerPenguins
03-05-2011, 11:09 PM
This is pretty much another Danny having a decent game and everyone else is playing like ****.

haha r u *****ing serious.... hes 4 - 12 STFU

PacerGuy
03-05-2011, 11:09 PM
:1outtaher

ilive4sports
03-05-2011, 11:09 PM
Of course. Brandon, Josh, and Collison are three of the worst starters in the league (Josh is good when he's paying attention, but he's very inconsistent). Same for Mike when he was starting. Roy can't make plays when Rush and Danny are wanting the ball at the three point line and they refuse to cut. They are lazy. The defense is worse.

Our hopes are for Lance and George to come in next season a lot better and to get a star power forward along with a Jamal Crawford/OJ Mayo. If we don't get that than we are probably screwed.

While some of it is overstated I do agree with most of this post. Collison is in a slump right now, no doubt about it. Is he the answer at point? Who knows. Earlier this year we thought he was, now we don't. Give him through the rest of the season.

We all know Josh and Rush aren't starters in this league. We need to go after the best PF available this off season. Lance and George are definite key pieces for the future.

Merz
03-05-2011, 11:09 PM
I thought they've been okay.

They've been ok...but they've been kind of rubbing it in when it comes to the Pacers sucking.

PacersFan1991
03-05-2011, 11:09 PM
:censored: this road trip, so frustrating.

DemonHunter1105
03-05-2011, 11:09 PM
Does anybody else cringe when Danny drives or when Roy does his post moves?

Sometimes with Danny when you know the defender is too good for him to shake, but not with Roy at all. Maybe his first couple seasons in the league, but not anymore.

rel
03-05-2011, 11:10 PM
collison...you cant make threes. Just give it up

Unclebuck
03-05-2011, 11:10 PM
Of course not. No one was saying that. Why do you always try to bring it up and start arguments with people?


you are joking right. When was the last time "I brought it up"

seriously?

LA_Confidential
03-05-2011, 11:10 PM
So does this mean our coach wasn't our only problem?

No Jimmy was the problem. If were gonna suck then let the players who actually have a chance to learn and grow from it play.

Thoreau87
03-05-2011, 11:11 PM
worst... pass... ever...

PacersFan1991
03-05-2011, 11:12 PM
Poor Gnome, feel bad for him. Seth too.

Unclebuck
03-05-2011, 11:12 PM
Let. It. Go.


When was the last time I "didn't let it go" I have not discussed him in quite sometime

ilive4sports
03-05-2011, 11:13 PM
haha r u *****ing serious.... hes 4 - 12 STFU

There is more to basketball than shooting. He only has 8 FTA's and made them all thru the third quarter too... Plus he's creating a lot, guys are just missing shots.

BringJackBack
03-05-2011, 11:13 PM
I think I'm going to get sick..

oxxo
03-05-2011, 11:14 PM
you are joking right. When was the last time "I brought it up"

seriously?

Not really. And any chance you get. And obviously I'm not the only one around here who feels like you do it.

PacersFan1991
03-05-2011, 11:14 PM
I think I'm going to get sick..



Man, I want to break my TV. But I won't.

Merz
03-05-2011, 11:14 PM
Hibbert just got out-jumped by Brad Miller.

imawhat
03-05-2011, 11:15 PM
When was the last time I "didn't let it go" I have not discussed him in quite sometime

You're still bringing him up. Nobody wants to talk about him but you.

BringJackBack
03-05-2011, 11:15 PM
Yeah Danny has not been the problem tonight. It's been our weakspots that have been magnified x100.

LA_Confidential
03-05-2011, 11:15 PM
They've been ok...but they've been kind of rubbing it in when it comes to the Pacers sucking.

Kinda like everyone in this thread tonight. :laugh:

oxxo
03-05-2011, 11:15 PM
No Jimmy was the problem. If were gonna suck then let the players who actually have a chance to learn and grow from it play.

Yup. I'm cool with seeing who sucks on our teams and I'm sure there's alot of us here who are. At least now we can see who sucks, give those who don't suck experience, and stop winning/losing with mediocre vets.

PaceBalls
03-05-2011, 11:15 PM
So does this mean our coach wasn't our only problem?

Come on guys he brings up a good question. Is our team so bad that Jim was actually getting the most out of them?

I don't think so, but he probably wasn't as bad as we all thought. I think this team as it is made up, is only good against a small percentage of teams. Jim might have made them good against a slightly larger percentage of teams. Jury is still out on that one. I am definitely not beyond considering it.

I think we need to come to terms with the fact that at this point, Roy is bad, mediocre at best. He has some flashes of brilliance, but the bad outweighs the good. DC is not the answer, in fact he looks like he doesn't belong in the NBA right now. The rest of the team besides Danny are role players and bench warmers or too young to be solid.

We are what our record is, and that is at the top of the bottom 1/3 of the league.

AesopRockOn
03-05-2011, 11:16 PM
Danny hasn't been great but he's been our best player in this game by far.

pacer4ever
03-05-2011, 11:16 PM
Maybe George can drop 30 in the 4th

BringJackBack
03-05-2011, 11:16 PM
Oh my.. VOGEL YOU NEED TO USE YOUR COMMON SENSE AND START GEORGE!

He is so much better than Rush.

Thoreau87
03-05-2011, 11:16 PM
Thank you Paul

Unclebuck
03-05-2011, 11:16 PM
Not really. And any chance you get. And obviously I'm not the only one around here who feels like you do it.


OK, then I challenge you or those others who feel the same way to find the last post when I "didn't let it go" Should be easy to find.

A more serious question that does need to be addressed is we need to get an accurate idea of our talent level. I've argued for 3 seasons that it is really low and or too young to produce yet

pacer4ever
03-05-2011, 11:17 PM
We have left them open so much my god quit helping so much

Merz
03-05-2011, 11:17 PM
I've never seen so many wide open threes in such a shot span of time.

PacersFan1991
03-05-2011, 11:17 PM
I can't blame Vogel, we are just playing like total ****. Yes it is the Coaches Job to get the team ready to play, but something like this falls totally on the players.

As far as JOB goes, he sucked but even on nights like tonight I wouldn't blame him.

Mr_Smith
03-05-2011, 11:17 PM
Damn....what the f**k was I thinking in my guess the score prediction. I was more off than Dahntay Jones jumper.

Trophy
03-05-2011, 11:17 PM
haha r u *****ing serious.... hes 4 - 12 STFU

Excuse me? Who do you think you are saying something like that?

itzryan07
03-05-2011, 11:18 PM
take DC and Rush out the line-up. Lance and PG in the back court

speakout4
03-05-2011, 11:18 PM
Not really. And any chance you get. And obviously I'm not the only one around here who feels like you do it.
He's making a point that he has earned the right to make. He's taken a lot of **** that there was more wrong with this team than JOB.

pacer4ever
03-05-2011, 11:19 PM
Play

Lance, AJ, Paul, Danny,insert someone here

the rest of the game

AesopRockOn
03-05-2011, 11:19 PM
You're still bringing him up. Nobody wants to talk about him but you.

Why don't you just ignore him? I do the same for

Sookie
03-05-2011, 11:19 PM
Come on guys he brings up a good question. Is our team so bad that Jim was actually getting the most out of them?

I don't think so, but he probably wasn't as bad as we all thought. I think this team as it is made up, is only good against a small percentage of teams. Jim might have made them good against a slightly larger percentage of teams. Jury is still out on that one. I am definitely not beyond considering it.

I think we need to come to terms with the fact that at this point, Roy is bad, mediocre at best. He has some flashes of brilliance, but the bad outweighs the good. DC is not the answer, in fact he looks like he doesn't belong in the NBA right now. The rest of the team besides Danny are role players and bench warmers or too young to be solid.

We are what our record is, and that is at the top of the bottom 1/3 of the league.


He was as bad as we thought. He was delaying growth, playing ridiculous rotations, not using any common sense. The Pacers needed to see what they have.

You want to know why Hibbert sucks during crunch time. Because he's never gotten to learn how to play during crunch time. You have to go through rough times and evaluate your young talent if you don't have a shot of winning with your vets. We didn't have shot with our vets. So we have to learn and watch the kids grow. It's absolutely ridiculous that people thought we wouldn't have games like this.

Vogel is clearly taking the "let them develop" approach, even at the expense of winning a few games. That's fine.

Unclebuck
03-05-2011, 11:19 PM
You're still bringing him up. Nobody wants to talk about him but you.


Find the last post "when I brought it up" should be easy to find

DemonHunter1105
03-05-2011, 11:20 PM
you are joking right. When was the last time "I brought it up"

seriously?

Yeah, I don't know what world you are living in right now.

You bring it up enough where it feels like you are waiting for someone to come along and pat you on the back.

BringJackBack
03-05-2011, 11:20 PM
One small request here:

I don't want to see Dahntay in the fourth quarter, even though I won't get my wish granted. I don't want to see him pad his stats in the fourth.. Like he is right now.

Merz
03-05-2011, 11:20 PM
I hate DJ

pacer4ever
03-05-2011, 11:21 PM
get Dantay out of there he shouldnt play in garbage time

oxxo
03-05-2011, 11:21 PM
He's making a point that he has earned the right to make. He's taken a lot of **** that there was more wrong with this team than JOB.

Except most of us never said that it was solely on JOB. I'd venture and say that almost NO ONE thought that. That's the point. JOB was a problem. Now we get to see WHICH players are the problem.

LA_Confidential
03-05-2011, 11:21 PM
Come on guys he brings up a good question. Is our team so bad that Jim was actually getting the most out of them?

I don't think so, but he probably wasn't as bad as we all thought. I think this team as it is made up, is only good against a small percentage of teams. Jim might have made them good against a slightly larger percentage of teams. Jury is still out on that one. I am definitely not beyond considering it.

I think we need to come to terms with the fact that at this point, Roy is bad, mediocre at best. He has some flashes of brilliance, but the bad outweighs the good. DC is not the answer, in fact he looks like he doesn't belong in the NBA right now. The rest of the team besides Danny are role players and bench warmers or too young to be solid.

We are what our record is, and that is at the top of the bottom 1/3 of the league.

This. The rest was irrelevant.

PaceBalls
03-05-2011, 11:22 PM
You're still bringing him up. Nobody wants to talk about him but you.

You are not the voice of the forum and your feelings and opinions do not apply to anyone besides yourself.

You certainly don't speak for me.

I think it is a very important discussion to have.

Unclebuck
03-05-2011, 11:22 PM
Yeah, I don't know what world you are living in right now.

You bring it up enough where it feels like you are waiting for someone to come along and pat you on the back.


OK, then find my last post when I brought it up,

pacer4ever
03-05-2011, 11:22 PM
Damm Lance play smarter

pacer4ever
03-05-2011, 11:23 PM
he traveled

dal9
03-05-2011, 11:23 PM
Hibbert just got out-jumped by Brad Miller.

so? brad can get pretty high.


ahem.

PaceBalls
03-05-2011, 11:23 PM
This. The rest was irrelevant.

Why would you say that? What was so irrelevant about it? :shrug:

pacer4ever
03-05-2011, 11:23 PM
BREAKING NEWS: Clippers play in 7 mins

itzryan07
03-05-2011, 11:23 PM
what a bs foul on Lance. He was straight up the whole time

speakout4
03-05-2011, 11:23 PM
Except most of us never said that it was solely on JOB. I'd venture and say that almost NO ONE thought that. That's the point. JOB was a problem. Now we get to see WHICH players are the problem.
BS. Go back 6000 threads and two years and it was all about JOB destroying this team.

oxxo
03-05-2011, 11:23 PM
Haha this is embarrasing. At least we get to see Lance though.

PacersFan1991
03-05-2011, 11:24 PM
Tonight is an example of why I think we might not deserve to go the playoffs even if we do.

ziplockfresh
03-05-2011, 11:24 PM
Terrible D from Lance.

AesopRockOn
03-05-2011, 11:25 PM
UB, question: Would/could you have the feeling about George, that he's the only player who could be better than Danny, if JOB was still coach (using the same rotations assuming)?

Heisenberg
03-05-2011, 11:25 PM
Am I the only one that saw what looked like Tyler throw a pretty blatant elbow at Miller's head that missed a few minutes ago? Looked like it anyway.

pacer4ever
03-05-2011, 11:25 PM
Lance looks gased

oxxo
03-05-2011, 11:25 PM
BS. Go back 6000 threads and two years and it was all about JOB destroying this team.

AGAIN. No one said that that was the SOLE reason. Please read.

pacer4ever
03-05-2011, 11:26 PM
Why the F**k should they listen to Datay he is terrible influnce

oxxo
03-05-2011, 11:26 PM
Lance looks gased

Yea, I guess they weren't kidding about his conditioning. Maybe we'll see more and more of him and less and less of DJ as his conditioning improves?

pacer4ever
03-05-2011, 11:27 PM
No effort there

speakout4
03-05-2011, 11:27 PM
AGAIN. No one said that that was the SOLE reason. Please read.
Are you talking post November 2010 or the last couple of years.

OXXO meet BBall.

pacer4ever
03-05-2011, 11:28 PM
why no AJ? he should be playing instead of Dantay

BringJackBack
03-05-2011, 11:29 PM
MikeWellsNBA Mike Wells
Now it's Dahntay Jones' turn to go off in the huddle. Foster had to pull him back as he goes off. Should be interesting postgame
4 minutes ago

...

oxxo
03-05-2011, 11:29 PM
We need Dale Davis back to show these guys how to get a rebound and play interior D :\

DemonHunter1105
03-05-2011, 11:29 PM
OK, then find my last post when I brought it up,

I am not going to waste my time. The whole point is your ego and pride are too big. You don't appear to care about what the real problems are, more that YOU were right otherwise you would not have brought it up out of nowhere. You don't seem to bring things like this up that other people posted and were criticized about, just you.

I don't care if people gave you a bunch of crap, you seem to care way too much that YOU were right. The fact that you are challenging people to find the last time you posted something about it reinforces my idea that you are more interested in winning an argument and taking the credit than finding out the truth.

That is just how it appears to me right now.

Sookie
03-05-2011, 11:30 PM
why no AJ? he should be playing instead of Dantay

Might as well rest him given the opportunity.

He needs to start though. Whether you think he's talented or not, he's steady, reliable, plays defense and runs an offense. And he's a young guy so we aren't delaying growth. This is just for the sake of the rest of the team.

Lance is so raw, and IMO not even a point. DC's just been terrible.

oxxo
03-05-2011, 11:30 PM
Are you talking post November 2010 or the last couple of years.

OXXO meet BBall.

Again. Most. Not all.

captainC
03-05-2011, 11:30 PM
lol pacers arent even trying anymore. loose ball and nobody even runs for it.

Whole team is tired.

BringJackBack
03-05-2011, 11:30 PM
I can not believe that we just watched the ball like that. Can not believe it.

AesopRockOn
03-05-2011, 11:31 PM
AGAIN. No one said that that was the SOLE reason.

This is not the discussion. Nobody thinks it was 100% JOB's fault; no one thinks it was 0% JOB's fault. But the overwhelming view on the board was that JOB was holding the team back. Not just the younger players not getting time but the team in terms of short term and long term success. Considering our record the last ten or so games, UB and others are asking whether this understanding was legitimate.

Trophy
03-05-2011, 11:31 PM
Are we watching a CYO team against the Houston Rockets?

If it couldn't get any worse. They can't even get an easy loose rebound as they just stand there.

Shows they can care less.

pacer4ever
03-05-2011, 11:31 PM
Really JOSH F**kin try at least

pacer4ever
03-05-2011, 11:32 PM
Are we watching a CYO team against the Houston Rockets?

no not CYO even worse YMCA ball

oxxo
03-05-2011, 11:32 PM
Might as well rest him given the opportunity.

He needs to start though. Whether you think he's talented or not, he's steady, reliable, plays defense and runs an offense. And he's a young guy so we aren't delaying growth.

Not a bad idea. So far it isn't looking like DC is a long term solution at the 1. Though maybe (hopefully) he's just in a slump/hit a wall in his first season here.

itzryan07
03-05-2011, 11:32 PM
im not making an excuse but y does it seem like we have so many back to back games i swear we have 4 games in 5 nights every week

pacer4ever
03-05-2011, 11:33 PM
Moe Williams is gonna kill 2 nite

LA_Confidential
03-05-2011, 11:34 PM
Why would you say that? What was so irrelevant about it? :shrug:

I said it because this entire game thread has been a gross overreaction. The sentence that I highlighted in your post is the exact description of our team.

Danny
Role players-DJ, AJ, Rush, Josh, Jeff
Bench warmers-Posey, Solo, TJ, Dun
Too young to be solid-DC, PG, Lance, Tyler, Roy.

Like AesopRockOn said, calm down.

You guys need to take a midol or sumthin.

Merz
03-05-2011, 11:34 PM
I really wish Hans would stop hesitating when Lance passes to him.

pacer4ever
03-05-2011, 11:34 PM
im not making an excuse but y does it seem like we have so many back to back games i swear we have 4 games in 5 nights every week

only gets tuffer from here March is gonna get ugly.

pacer4ever
03-05-2011, 11:35 PM
TY VOGEL FOR BENCHING DJ

AesopRockOn
03-05-2011, 11:35 PM
Damn, forgot the Rockets had Jordan Hill (and T-Will!) too. They'll get a superstar with the assets they have in the next couple years. Morey is kind of a bad ***.

BringJackBack
03-05-2011, 11:35 PM
Lance Stephenson deserves to be starting. Ditto for George and Tyler.

oxxo
03-05-2011, 11:35 PM
This is not the discussion. Nobody thinks it was 100% JOB's fault; no one thinks it was 0% JOB's fault. But the overwhelming view on the board was that JOB was holding the team back. Not just the younger players not getting time but the team in terms of short term and long term success. Considering our record the last ten or so games, UB and others are asking whether this understanding was legitimate.

If what you are saying is true then there is no reason to bring him up. That's the point and the reason it's irritating that he brings up JOB whenever he can. Of course it wasn't completely JOB's fault. That's why I'm saying why bring it up? Because like someone else said it seems like he just does it to start arguments or say 'see I was right'. Not to facilitate discussion.

oxxo
03-05-2011, 11:36 PM
Damn, forgot the Rockets had Jordan Hill too. They'll get a superstar with the assets they have in the next couple years. Morey is kind of a bad ***.

Agreed. Rockets have done an amazing job. Especially considering the whole Yao situation.

vnzla81
03-05-2011, 11:36 PM
By reading this game thread I wouldn't surprise me that somebody does something crazy tonight, Calm Down People.

PacerGuy
03-05-2011, 11:37 PM
Moe Williams is gonna kill 2 nite

David Stern says:

If he were a Pacer that would draw a suspention for the rest on the season.

Everyone not Miami, LAL, Boston (& Detroit because they never get wat they should) a fine.

Miami, LAL, Boston: Player of the week.

oxxo
03-05-2011, 11:37 PM
Lance Stephenson deserves to be starting. Ditto for George and Tyler.

Sure seems that way. I wouldn't be surprised if by the end of the year that that's our starting lineup.

pacer4ever
03-05-2011, 11:37 PM
Lance Stephenson deserves to be starting. Ditto for George and Tyler.

No he doesnt

speakout4
03-05-2011, 11:38 PM
If what you are saying is true then there is no reason to bring him up. That's the point and the reason it's irritating that he brings up JOB whenever he can. Of course it wasn't completely JOB's fault. That's why I'm saying why bring it up? Because like someone else said it seems like he just does it to start arguments or say 'see I was right'. Not to facilitate discussion.
OK stop bringing it up.

BRushWithDeath
03-05-2011, 11:39 PM
No he doesnt

Neither does Tyler.

Maybe George. Maybe AJ.

itzryan07
03-05-2011, 11:39 PM
start lance!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

itzryan07
03-05-2011, 11:40 PM
look on the bright side of CHA loses then its still ok

Heisenberg
03-05-2011, 11:40 PM
Yep Seth, not much you can do but throw your hands up

Mr_Smith
03-05-2011, 11:40 PM
I love how the pacers **** poor play causes arguing and bickering back and forth. I love PD

IU_sears
03-05-2011, 11:40 PM
denari just gave PD a shootout in the blowout

BringJackBack
03-05-2011, 11:41 PM
No he doesnt

He's more talented than DC and AJ.. Most talented guys should be starting right now because we need talent.

AesopRockOn
03-05-2011, 11:42 PM
Thabeet is the Rockets' Scalabrine. :Lol:

pacer4ever
03-05-2011, 11:42 PM
Neither does Tyler.

Maybe George. Maybe AJ.

No AJ doesnt we dont have a starting quality pg. Maybe Lance can be that in time.

ziplockfresh
03-05-2011, 11:42 PM
THAT WAS SICK.

DemonHunter1105
03-05-2011, 11:42 PM
Yeah, Lance doesn't deserve to start per se, but we would probably be better off if he did.

pacer4ever
03-05-2011, 11:43 PM
Sookie AJ just did that point thing :lol:

then he threw it out of bounds

now thats true leadership on display

BringJackBack
03-05-2011, 11:43 PM
Yeah, Lance doesn't deserve to start per se, but we would probably be better off if he did.

You're right.. My bad. That's how I should have worded it. :laugh:

I worded it very poorly.

PaceBalls
03-05-2011, 11:44 PM
I said it because this entire game thread has been a gross overreaction. The sentence that I highlighted in your post is the exact description of our team.

Danny
Role players-DJ, AJ, Rush, Josh, Jeff
Bench warmers-Posey, Solo, TJ, Dun
Too young to be solid-DC, PG, Lance, Tyler, Roy.

Like AesopRockOn said, calm down.

You guys need to take a midol or sumthin.

I still don't see how that makes my post irrelevant. I was defending UBs original post as a valid point.

Yeah, that was a pretty spot on analysis though eh? DC is kinda young, but he and Tyler are in their mid 20s, what most consider a man's prime. I really hope he can be what we wanted, I am just doubtful.

LA_Confidential
03-05-2011, 11:45 PM
I love how the pacers **** poor play causes arguing and bickering back and forth. I love PD

Just like toddlers cause friction between parents.

AesopRockOn
03-05-2011, 11:45 PM
Do people really think Lance should be starting? I can't believe it. Somebody make a poll.

croz24
03-05-2011, 11:46 PM
it's really as simple as the pacers finding a leader.

PacerGuy
03-05-2011, 11:46 PM
denari just gave PD a shootout in the blowout

Why not, who else would be wattching this but us idiots (& Houston fans).

Sookie
03-05-2011, 11:46 PM
Sookie AJ just did that point thing :lol:

then he threw it out of bounds

now thats true leadership on display


Everyone else threw it out of bounds tonight, he just didn't want to be left out.

AesopRockOn
03-05-2011, 11:46 PM
Just like toddlers cause friction between parents.

Not a scientist, but I think the friction between the parents is what caused the toddler. :D

PacerGuy
03-05-2011, 11:47 PM
it's really as simple as the pacers finding a leader.

Really? Is that all?

BringJackBack
03-05-2011, 11:47 PM
it's really as simple as the pacers finding a leader.

It's really a lot more difficult than that. Our talent sucks (Most of our starters, and our vets) and our prospects aren't ready yet to make big time contributions. We don't have a power forward and we don't have a closer.

kester99
03-05-2011, 11:47 PM
I think we need to jack up more 3s.

BRushWithDeath
03-05-2011, 11:48 PM
Do people really think Lance should be starting? I can't believe it. Somebody make a poll.

I don't. But DC has been so bad that I can't fault people for looking in other places.

The same for Paul. Brandon hasn't been a detriment to the team like Darren but he hasn't helped much.

pacer4ever
03-05-2011, 11:48 PM
Everyone else threw it out of bounds tonight, he just didn't want to be left out.

But he called his shot by doing his leadership type point. That is up there with Babe Ruth calling his shot. Props 2 him.

Merz
03-05-2011, 11:48 PM
it's really as simple as the pacers finding a leader.

I think that is a little too simple.

There is still a talent gap whether the Pacers have a leader or not.

speakout4
03-05-2011, 11:49 PM
Vogel is the right man because he is as green as most of our really young guys.

LA_Confidential
03-05-2011, 11:49 PM
Not a scientist, but I think the friction between the parents is what caused the toddler. :D

You my friend, are AWESOME! :laugh:

tflo
03-05-2011, 11:50 PM
please start a post game thred

DGPR
03-05-2011, 11:50 PM
I think it's funny how Dahntay "I'm Kobe Bryant" Jones rips everybody's asses on the bench but he doesn't even know how to make a pass out of a double team and throws up nothing but garbage most of the time. Jones is the most selfish player on this team followed closely by Granger and that's not saying a whole lot about this team in general.

grace
03-05-2011, 11:51 PM
schedule loss

:suicide4:

If you haven't figured it out by now I think "schedule loss" is the lamest excuse in the book.

PacerGuy
03-05-2011, 11:51 PM
"Smash-mouth" or "Smash-mouthed"???

When I heard we were changing the identity of his team, I did not think we were changing back to the mid 80's.

gummy
03-05-2011, 11:51 PM
He's more talented than DC and AJ.. Most talented guys should be starting right now because we need talent.

Did you not see him totally gassed out there tonight? Even if he started he is not physically prepared to play starters minutes right now.

PacerGuy
03-05-2011, 11:52 PM
please start a post game thred

2 quarters too late...

Merz
03-05-2011, 11:52 PM
Not a scientist, but I think the friction between the parents is what caused the toddler. :D

So are you trying to say some PD members need more of THAT TYPE of friction in their lives (hopefully not with each other)?





You're probably right.

Trophy
03-05-2011, 11:53 PM
Me oh my the Clippers are on!

This is actually a pretty good game.

Merz
03-05-2011, 11:54 PM
:suicide4:

If you haven't figured it out by now I think "schedule loss" is the lamest excuse in the book.

Most other teams see "home game vs. Pacers" on their schedule and consider it a "schedule win"

nyballer31
03-06-2011, 12:02 AM
It's really a lot more difficult than that. Our talent sucks (Most of our starters, and our vets) and our prospects aren't ready yet to make big time contributions. We don't have a power forward and we don't have a closer.

Honestly I think the power forward position is the least of our problems right now.As far as not having a closer there not to many of those guys in the league.

croz24
03-06-2011, 12:03 AM
Really? Is that all?

typically the leader of the team is the best player correct? you put a leader or franchise type player on this team that commands the respect of his teammates and demands the best out of the team every night out, you would not see this putrid effort that you saw tonight. leaders are also typically the guys that want the ball at the end of games and can take games over when needed. for instance, you think jordan or kobe or reggie would put up with the crap that has gone on the past three nights? no, they wouldn't. but it's accepted on this team because there is nobody who demands the desire to succeed. a leader also doesn't allow teammates to ball watch on d while putting forth zero effort. so yea, you put a leader on the pacers with a work ethic that rubs off on the players and we are a playoff lock.

pacer4ever
03-06-2011, 12:04 AM
Moe Williams is gonna kill 2 nite

I love it when I am right Moe is beasting right now 9pts 1reb and 2asits still in the 1st

PacerGuy
03-06-2011, 12:09 AM
typically the leader of the team is the best player correct? you put a leader or franchise type player on this team that commands the respect of his teammates and demands the best out of the team every night out, you would not see this putrid effort that you saw tonight. leaders are also typically the guys that want the ball at the end of games and can take games over when needed. for instance, you think jordan or kobe or reggie would put up with the crap that has gone on the past three nights? no, they wouldn't. but it's accepted on this team because there is nobody who demands the desire to succeed. a leader also doesn't allow teammates to ball watch on d while putting forth zero effort. so yea, you put a leader on the pacers with a work ethic that rubs off on the players and we are a playoff lock.

True, mostly all true, but if it were that easy EVERYONE would be doing it!
I can tell a drunk the best way not to be an alcoholic is not to drink alcohol, but does help? I get your point, but it is not anything we don';t already know.

croz24
03-06-2011, 12:20 AM
True, mostly all true, but if it were that easy EVERYONE would be doing it!
I can tell a drunk the best way not to be an alcoholic is not to drink alcohol, but does help? I get your point, but it is not anything we don';t already know.

never said it'd be easy ;-)