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itzryan07
03-05-2011, 02:22 PM
i think he is the type of pg to have a winning team. look at rose, d-will, wall, they all have size. DC will never be able to guard them. Lance has size and pg court vision i hopes he is our future pg

Il Ragionier Ugo Fantozzi
03-05-2011, 02:26 PM
Too early.

pwee31
03-05-2011, 02:32 PM
What I have liked about Lance is that he protects the ball really well. His unorthodox bouncing and jumping around helps, but he also uses his body well to protect the ball.

Love what I've seen in terms of his court vision so far. Once he gets comfortable and starts putting the ball in the bucket like he's capable of, it's going to get interesting

itzryan07
03-05-2011, 02:52 PM
he only took 3 shots so he is still not part of the offense, i cant wait until he gets more touches

PacerHound
03-05-2011, 03:12 PM
Too early certainly to know but a point guard with some size who relishes setting guys up and can see them and get the ball to them - WOW!

I really think one of Collison's biggest problems is that which is beyond is control - his lack of size.

Price, in my opinion, has started to look too much for the shot versus the set up.

The need is a point guard with size who has a point guard mentality versus a scorer's mentality.

Trophy
03-05-2011, 03:15 PM
Bird must be thrilled to have a 6-5 PG on his team.

He wanted a taller PG in the 2009 draft and mentioned Tyreke Evans as the only tall one.

The size advantage comes in handy on the defensive end and Lance is pretty quick to stay with his man.

itzryan07
03-05-2011, 03:25 PM
the only reason why i'm not willing to give up on DC yet is because he is only in his 2nd year and he hasn't been with the team for a year yet

beast23
03-05-2011, 03:48 PM
The Dallas game was the first opportunity to see Stephenson for more than a couple of trips down the floor. I am compelled to admit that I was wrong about him and his ability to play the point. Everything that I had seen of Lance previously led me to believe he was a SG and SG only.

I thought Lance did an excellent job at PG for this stage in his career. 2-3 of his assists very much took the opponent by surprise.... well they took me by surprise too. They were not easy passes to make being that their timing and margin for error left only a very, very small window of opportunity. But, Stephenson somehow completed the pass each time. I was very impressed by his game.

I don't often get too down or too excited by what I see in any one particular game. But for me anyway... last night's game totally changed my opinion on Stephenson. He is definitely far more than the throw-in for a potential trade that I thought of him in the past.

He's certainly not a starting PG yet; he is not even a heavy minutes backup. He does a good job staying with his man defensively, but has a lot to learn about team defense and what is going on away from the ball. But... I couldn't see him as a PG either... so I am very anxious to see the overall improvement he is able to make by the end of the season.

BlueNGold
03-05-2011, 04:21 PM
I thought Lance looked great on offense for a 20 year old rookie and possibly adequate on defense.

If he's able to defend without being a huge liability, you gotta hand him the keys.

cdash
03-05-2011, 04:24 PM
Regardless of position, I think we have a real player here. I (stupidly?) proclaimed after the draft that Lance would end up being better than PG, which I've obviously backtracked on, but I think we might have really killed that draft. I can definitely see why Bird is so high on Lance. He's oozing with talent, and he's definitely not tentative.

troyc11a
03-05-2011, 04:30 PM
he only took 3 shots so he is still not part of the offense, i cant wait until he gets more touches

Not part of the offense? Did you watch the game? Assists = part of the offense too. He hit players with passes that they didnt even expect. Some of those assists really reminded me of Magic Johnson. Big guys can see the court better. Everyone should have loved his impact on the offense.

BringJackBack
03-05-2011, 04:30 PM
Lance is the definition of combo guard. He is best as a one, but what is so good about him is his versatility to play multiple positions and be used in multiple ways. We can evolve the offense around him, we can use him off the ball, and we can even post him up.

He's got a lot of work to do on his shot and finishing around the rim obviously, but when he accomplishes those things he's easily the best point guard on our team. What makes me excited about him is that he has all of the tools to get it done. He can create for himself, others, and he's just a flat out raw talent.

Hopefully by training camp he can come back lighter, yet stronger with more hops and a significantly improved shot. The best thing about him on the court is that he just has that "It" factor. He has a great feel for the game and he isn't just a scorer like Darren has been lately. He plays defense (He does a great job recovering by using his long arms to shield passes), he rebounds the ball, he sets up others, and he gets his shots in to keep the defenses honest.

I was pretty upset when he didn't close out the game, but maybe he was winded so it's not a huge deal. I just want to see him early and often.

pacer4ever
03-05-2011, 04:35 PM
Regardless of position, I think we have a real player here. I (stupidly?) proclaimed after the draft that Lance would end up being better than PG, which I've obviously backtracked on, but I think we might have really killed that draft. I can definitely see why Bird is so high on Lance. He's oozing with talent, and he's definitely not tentative.

I think Lance could end up being better than Paul still. It all depends who works harder I really hope Lance works on getting in better shape and his game same with Paul. I tend to side with Paul because he has already shown great work ethic last summer working with Roy. But what puzzled me was why Lance didnt play sooner he was more NBA ready offensivly than Paul coming out of collge. But then that article came out saying they were waiting for his court case which made sense.

cdash
03-05-2011, 04:37 PM
I think Lance could end up being better than Paul still. It all depends who works harder I really hope Lance works on getting in better shape and his game same with Paul. I tend to side with Paul because he has already shown great work ethic last summer working with Roy. But what puzzled me was why Lance didnt play sooner he was more NBA ready offensivly than Paul coming out of collge. But then that article came out saying they were waiting for his court case which made sense.

I trust Paul to put in the work to reach his potential more than I do Lance. Lance still kind of scares me.

flox
03-05-2011, 04:40 PM
Honestly, if we could take the route of developing Lance the way the Spurs have developed George Hill (let him play either guard position, let him play to his strengths like Hill has), I think we'll be fine. I don't really care about his position as much as I care about what George's future position will be.

beast23
03-05-2011, 04:44 PM
Regardless of position, I think we have a real player here. I (stupidly?) proclaimed after the draft that Lance would end up being better than PG, which I've obviously backtracked on, but I think we might have really killed that draft. I can definitely see why Bird is so high on Lance. He's oozing with talent, and he's definitely not tentative.
I had to snicker when I read the bolded part of your post. You are the master of the understatement. I don't think you could use Lance and tentative within the same book, let alone the same sentence.

And, if he improves a lot, that could be a great thing. That's what bball killers are made of... a complete willingness to take that game-ending drive or shot without hesitation, without being tentative in the very least.

I believe Lance already has that instinct. I hope he is able to improve upone the skills necessary to go along with that mentality.

KevinB
03-05-2011, 04:53 PM
One of the things that most excites me about Lance at the point is how crisp his passes are. When he makes the decision to pass, he gets it there in a hurry. I'm anxious to see how his ability to draw and dish will benefit Roy. Likewise, I'm anxious to see his ability to feed the post.

IndyPacer
03-05-2011, 05:13 PM
I still think his scoring and ballhandling are his best assets, but it's nice to know that he can also exploit certain mismatches using his other skills and attributes. I think he's going to be very valuable as long as he stays out of trouble.

One thing that helps his case to get minutes at point guard is that his competition hasn't been doing as well as they should have.

Jon Theodore
03-05-2011, 05:13 PM
One of the things that most excites me about Lance at the point is how crisp his passes are. When he makes the decision to pass, he gets it there in a hurry. I'm anxious to see how his ability to draw and dish will benefit Roy. Likewise, I'm anxious to see his ability to feed the post.

Excellent point, Josh McRoberts also makes great, crisp passes. I think most fans pay little attention to how important passing is...a guy like Granger is money when the pass is where he wants it (Dunleavy always passes him the ball right where he wants it)...when he has to reach for a pass you can pretty much guarantee he will miss.

Swingman
03-05-2011, 05:18 PM
Too early.

Too early? But I thought he was born ready!!

itzryan07
03-05-2011, 05:34 PM
bench jones, so lance can play more

Spirit
03-05-2011, 05:43 PM
I'm having trouble getting over his legal issues, but I can't deny his talent.

speakout4
03-05-2011, 05:56 PM
I'm having trouble getting over his legal issues, but I can't deny his talent.
I'm not concerned about his past legal issues just his future legal issues. If legal issues don't stop him he has a long nba career.

He and PG are exciting to watch unlike some other players who look like robots on the floor.

troyc11a
03-05-2011, 07:20 PM
I'm not concerned about his past legal issues just his future legal issues. If legal issues don't stop him he has a long nba career.

He and PG are exciting to watch unlike some other players who look like robots on the floor.

I agree, they are exciting to watch. I like the young core of players and hope we can add some veteran leadership this summer. A scorer would be nice too. I just dont want the overweight PF's/C whose names are being mentioned. I want to see some toughness - like the guy in your avatar!

Isaac
03-05-2011, 10:31 PM
bench jones, so lance can play more

Bench AJ instead. Quite frankly, he sucks. He doesn't do anything well.

Don't get me wrong, bench Jones too, but mostly AJ.

BringJackBack
03-05-2011, 10:38 PM
If Lance Stephenson isn't a point guard, than Darren Collison, AJ Price, and 80% of the other point guards in the league aren't either.

pacer4ever
03-05-2011, 10:40 PM
Bench AJ instead. Quite frankly, he sucks. He doesn't do anything well.

Don't get me wrong, bench Jones too, but mostly AJ.

(Sookie please dont read this) Isaac u better put spoliers around that for sookie :laugh:

oxxo
03-05-2011, 10:42 PM
If Lance Stephenson isn't a point guard, than Darren Collison, AJ Price, and 80% of the other point guards in the league aren't either.

Could be. He looks pretty good so far.

itzryan07
03-05-2011, 10:48 PM
Lance is a beast he has everything a star point guard has. Man im happy that we drafted him

Sookie
03-05-2011, 11:14 PM
(Sookie please dont read this) Isaac u better put spoliers around that for sookie :laugh:

LOL, it actually just makes me laugh.

Isaac
03-05-2011, 11:24 PM
I will say that obviously AJ defends better than Lance, but I'll take the dip in defense to develop Lance who obviously has a ceiling waaay higher than AJs, and is already more competent running the offense.

OT, Lady Gaga is lookin a lot like Marilyn Manson in that picture....

Sookie
03-05-2011, 11:29 PM
I will say that obviously AJ defends better than Lance, but I'll take the dip in defense to develop Lance who obviously has a ceiling waaay higher than AJs, and is already more competent running the offense.

OT, Lady Gaga is lookin a lot like Marilyn Manson in that picture....

No he doesn't. And it's not even close. AJ price is the only PG on the team that runs anything close to an offense. DC..who knows what he's doing..and Lance just plays PnR or goes one on one (and either passes out or shoots a basket.)

He's got a lot of talent, but he's also extremely limited in a team game as a PG, which people will see as he plays more.

edit: And I don't really think she looks like a person in that picture, I still like it though.

pacer4ever
03-05-2011, 11:31 PM
I will say that obviously AJ defends better than Lance, but I'll take the dip in defense to develop Lance who obviously has a ceiling waaay higher than AJs, and is already more competent running the offense.

OT, Lady Gaga is lookin a lot like Marilyn Manson in that picture....
:lol:

Jared Sullinger
03-06-2011, 12:07 PM
Per-36 rookie numbers for Lance, Jason Kidd and Russell Westbrook:

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/2467/ohyeah.gif

So, Lance's numbers are for a whopping five games and the minutes/production are quite extrapolated... I'm just throwing it out there. Don't shoot the messenger. :p

Jared Sullinger
03-06-2011, 01:45 PM
How many players of Lance's size (or bigger), past or present, have been legitimate NBA point guards?

Magic, obviously. Shaun Livingston, Brandon Roy and Penny Hardaway...

cdash
03-06-2011, 02:15 PM
How many players of Lance's size (or bigger), past or present, have been legitimate NBA point guards?

Magic, obviously. Shaun Livingston, Brandon Roy and Penny Hardaway...

Shaun Livingston shouldn't be included with these guys imo.

Roy isn't a point guard, and never plays point guard. He handles the ball a lot, but not as the point guard. Penny qualifies. Magic qualifies. Not really sure who else there is. I am beating this drum hard, but I think the more appropriate comparison for Lance is Tyreke Evans.

Scot Pollard
03-06-2011, 02:18 PM
Unlike Tyreke Evans, Lance is going to make us winners.

He has good players around him.

oxxo
03-06-2011, 02:47 PM
I really hope Lance doesn't turn out to be like Tyreke. That guy is a crazy black hole whose teammates by all reports don't like playing with him.

vnzla81
03-06-2011, 02:49 PM
I really hope Lance doesn't turn out to be like Tyreke. That guy is a crazy black hole whose teammates by all reports don't like playing with him.

I hope he does turns like him but with a better passing ability.

McKeyFan
03-06-2011, 03:42 PM
How bout Lance and PG in the starting unit and let AJ, DC, Dahntay and Rush carve out minutes on the second unit?

:happydanc

itzryan07
03-06-2011, 05:15 PM
i dont think lance can play any other position other than pg. Lance is effective when he has the ball in his hands and thats how he grew up playing the ball always in his hands

IndyPacer
03-06-2011, 06:25 PM
i dont think lance can play any other position other than pg. Lance is effective when he has the ball in his hands and thats how he grew up playing the ball always in his hands

Then he has some new things to learn, and if memory serves, playing without dominating the ball is something the coaching staff is trying to teach him currently.

cdash
03-06-2011, 06:30 PM
i dont think lance can play any other position other than pg. Lance is effective when he has the ball in his hands and thats how he grew up playing the ball always in his hands

Then he can play shooting guard and just bring the ball up more often. LeBron James needs the ball in his hands, that's how it's always been for him, but that doesn't mean he can only play point guard.

kester99
03-06-2011, 06:33 PM
What I've seen so far of Lance's ability to distribute the ball has impressed me. What I've seen so far of his scoring skills...not so much.

It's still early, I know.

ilive4sports
03-06-2011, 06:45 PM
Then he can play shooting guard and just bring the ball up more often. LeBron James needs the ball in his hands, that's how it's always been for him, but that doesn't mean he can only play point guard.

LeBron James was the point guard in Cleveland and is in Miami. While he's playing SF, he is still the main ball handler, sets up the offense, is the best distributor on the team, and so on. He is a SF with the responsibilities of a PG.

cdash
03-06-2011, 06:48 PM
LeBron James was the point guard in Cleveland and is in Miami. While he's playing SF, he is still the main ball handler, sets up the offense, is the best distributor on the team, and so on. He is a SF with the responsibilities of a PG.

He's the de facto point guard. He plays small forward. We're arguing semantics here.

Pacerfan
03-06-2011, 06:57 PM
All I know is that the future of this team is very dependent on his development...... and that's kind of scary. I love Lance's aggression.... Paul is very good when he decides to be aggressive..but he will never be great unless he manages to be that aggressive throughout the whole game. He's very young so hopefully he learns...but that was one knock on him coming out of college...he would have great games, but also games where it looked like he just wasn't aggressive enough.