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wintermute
03-04-2011, 04:13 PM
According to Marc Stein anyway. Apparently his injury nixed the deal.

http://espn.go.com/nba/dailydime/_/page/dime-110304-06/second-trimester-awards



Sources close to the situation told ESPN.com that the Pacers had advanced trade discussions last month with New Orleans on a swap that would have sent Dunleavy to the Hornets. But the teams never came to final terms on a trade before Dunleavy suffered a fractured left thumb Feb. 22 that required surgery, sidelining him for 6-8 weeks and thus squelching any remaining hope he had for a trade in the final year of a contract paying him $10.6 million this season.


No other details given. I wonder who we were going to trade Dunleavy for. Okafor and West seem like the only likely salary matches. I suppose Hornets could have sent a package of 3-4 players back, but that seems unlikely considering our full roster.

And no, this doesn't look connected to the Mayo deal. If Dunleavy's injury caused it to be dropped, then it couldn't be connected to the deadline deal involving Mayo.

If I had to guess, I'd say it was for Okafor.

righteouscool
03-04-2011, 04:17 PM
The Pacers are cursed at the trade deadline. Something always gets in the way.

Shade
03-04-2011, 04:17 PM
The Hornets.

Again.

naptownmenace
03-04-2011, 04:30 PM
I refuse to believe that the Pacers could get Okafor for Dunleavy. I think the Hornets had a trade exemption so they were probably going to get a 1st round pick and Jarrett Jack.

Either way, it's crazy how things kept going against them this year when try to make these trades.

Heisenberg
03-04-2011, 04:34 PM
Well whoever/whatever it was, no reason we couldn't get the same thing this summer right?

Roaming Gnome
03-04-2011, 04:35 PM
...and that is why teams usually sideline players before trades.

BringJackBack
03-04-2011, 04:40 PM
:notlisten :notlisten :notlisten :notlisten :notlisten

Coulda, woulda, shoulda. I don't want to hear about this anymore until the season is over.. Just too upsetting.

ChristianDudley
03-04-2011, 04:44 PM
I wouldn't be surprised at all if the Pacers have been trying to get David West and/or Jarrett Jack from the Hornets.

troyc11a
03-04-2011, 04:46 PM
Well whoever/whatever it was, no reason we couldn't get the same thing this summer right?

I think we can do a lot better this summer! I keep pointing out that really good players get moved in the Summer ALONG with a draft pick for nothing to a team under the cap (i.e. - Pacers). Remember how Hinrich got moved last year along with a pick to Wash? I believe Bird is setting us up for something like that. At least I hope so!

Any ideas about teams who are over the cap and might be forced to give away quality players due to their salaries?

HeliumFear
03-04-2011, 04:52 PM
Emeka has played really excellent defense for them this season. No way we'd get him for Dunleavy.

Peck
03-04-2011, 04:53 PM
So in theory we would have trade the following

Josh
Brandon
Mike
1st round pick

and gotten back

Emeka
O.J.
1st round pick

If that deal would have gone down I think we would all have had to declare Larry Bird not only Exec. of the year but quite possibly for all of eternity.

No way I believe that this trade was what was left on the table but man if it was good God talk about overhauling a franchise overnight. No wonder Danny looks depressed all of the time if he new this was possible.

cdash
03-04-2011, 04:55 PM
We are all assuming way, way too much about these proposed trades.

PacersPride
03-04-2011, 04:59 PM
Absolutely no way it was Okafor at what he has remaining on his salary. Bird wants cap flexibility, he has mentioned it repeatedly.

it was either tpe/dun for jack/1st or something like that, or west was involved.

vnzla81
03-04-2011, 05:24 PM
...and that is why teams usually sideline players before trades.

I believe that Emeka was "hurt" during that week too.

NuffSaid
03-04-2011, 05:31 PM
Told y'all Dunleavy's injury was faked just so he wouldn't get traded. (j/k, but it sure is rather suspecious how he suddenly wound up in a case right before the trade deadline. Things that make you go, "Hmmmmm.....")

wintermute
03-04-2011, 05:32 PM
We are all assuming way, way too much about these proposed trades.

Yeah, I deserved that I guess :laugh:

It could easily have been a pupu platter of Jason Smith, Marcus Banks, and Willie Green coming our way, sweetened by a future pick perhaps.

Anyway, I thought Okafor was possible because of his ugly contract.

Strange isn't it that we seem to be doing all our deals with the Hornets. Good relations between the front offices? They went out of their way to get us a TPE from the Peja deal, as I recall. Of course, we then blew the TPE on Al Harrington, but that's not their fault.

Roaming Gnome
03-04-2011, 05:36 PM
I believe that Emeka was "hurt" during that week too.

Who's to say the trade was for Okafor? All I'm saying is.... If PS&E knew a Dun trade was in advanced discussions... why was he in any position to break his thumb?

Jared Sullinger
03-04-2011, 05:44 PM
I'm torn on whether I'd do a Dunleavy for Okafor deal. A solid 11/10/2 for Oak, but he's owed a ton of cash. He also hasn't played PF for five years, when he was paired next to Primoz Brezec during his second season in the league.

Could Emeka and Roy play together?

vnzla81
03-04-2011, 05:53 PM
Who's to say the trade was for Okafor? All I'm saying is.... If PS&E knew a Dun trade was in advanced discussions... why was he in any position to break his thumb?

I agree, I'm just saying that maybe NO had Okafor "hurt" before the trade line so he couldn't get hurt for real, a thing the Pacers didn't do. I'm not 100% sure that it was Okafor I'm just saying that he was the only guy that was out "because of injury"

vnzla81
03-04-2011, 05:54 PM
Could Emeka and Roy play together?

Hell yes, he is the perfect power forward to be next yo Roy.

CableKC
03-04-2011, 05:59 PM
My guess is that this preliminary talks probably set the groundworks for the eventual negotiations involving Mayo. I can totally see the Dunleavy deal falling apart....then Bird had side negotiations with the Grizzlies about Mayo...and with the Pacers needing a 3rd Team to make the $$$ work...Bird called up the Hornets to involve them.

As for who we'd get back....I seriously doubt that it was the Pacers getting back Okafor. The Hornets are in the Playoff hunt.....giving away Okafor would have crippled their Frontline. My best guess is that it would have involved Jarrett Jack ( my guess a favorite of Bird ) and some Expiring contract filler.

The only reason to trade for Dunleavy ( other then a mild boost in getting a shooter added to the lineup ) is to clear 2011-2012 Salary from the books going into the new CBA. Add in that the whole "NBA owns the Hornets" garbage, I can see complications occuring.

Sookie
03-04-2011, 06:12 PM
Could Emeka and Roy play together?

Hell yes, he is the perfect power forward to be next yo Roy.

Yup, I think they would have been great next to each other.

We got Posey and Collison instead of Okafor and Collison.

Posey was 2 years and about 8 Million, Okafor was 4 years and about 12 million. Okafor is clearly the better deal in this scenario, especially when fitting a huge need.

Okafor would have had us set at the PF position, and the backup Center position. Yes, he's overpaid. But it's okay to have an overpaid guy if he's filling a role well for us. And a really good starter, that's defensive minded, can rebound and bang in the post, and play the Center and power forward position. Yea, sounds nice.

Larry Staverman
03-04-2011, 06:29 PM
Any ideas about teams who are over the cap and might be forced to give away quality players due to their salaries?

20 of the 30 teams are under the cap as of July 1 if no extensions or trades are made prior

JB24
03-04-2011, 06:55 PM
If it was Dunleavy for Okafor, i'm glad it did't go through.

BBQ
03-04-2011, 06:55 PM
So in theory we would have trade the following

Josh
Brandon
Mike
1st round pick

and gotten back

Emeka
O.J.
1st round pick

If that deal would have gone down I think we would all have had to declare Larry Bird not only Exec. of the year but quite possibly for all of eternity.

No way I believe that this trade was what was left on the table but man if it was good God talk about overhauling a franchise overnight. No wonder Danny looks depressed all of the time if he new this was possible.



Your post just gave me this thought: What if our lack of heart since the trade deadline is due to the fact that everyone knows there is no cavalry coming anytime soon. This and the fact that 2 of our starters know they were expendable and likely will be again this summer.

Eleazar
03-04-2011, 07:03 PM
It could easily have been a pupu platter of Jason Smith, Marcus Banks, and Willie Green coming our way, sweetened by a future pick perhaps.


If that was a 1st round pick that wouldn't have been a bad deal. Might not have been the best deal we could get for Dunleavy, but it wouldn't have been a bad one.

Trophy
03-04-2011, 07:05 PM
I wanted us to bring in Okafor with DC all along.

I didn't see who we'd spend on the money on that would be a better PF.

troyc11a
03-04-2011, 07:18 PM
20 of the 30 teams are under the cap as of July 1 if no extensions or trades are made prior

Being under the cap and able to take on salary are two different things. Lets hope there are not very many teams able to do that. And I hope that the 10 over need to unload some good players! Thanks for the update!

SoupIsGood
03-04-2011, 07:23 PM
Acquiring OJ and Emeka does not count as overhauling a franchise.

Scot Pollard
03-04-2011, 07:25 PM
LETS GET IT DONE OVER THE SUMMBER BIRD!

Bring in Mayo and Okafor and we will be a top team that will fight every game and win a lot.

It'll give the fans more excitement.

The Jackson shimmy
03-04-2011, 07:28 PM
Without getting into the specific pros and cons of Okafor, the LAST
position that I'd want to see the Pacers org overpay is PF. The way
the league is set up right now, it's the least valuable position on the
floor.

A guy like a Garnett in his prime or a Gasol are exceptions. But Okafor
isn't in that universe.

BringJackBack
03-04-2011, 07:30 PM
Okafor's contract is very, very bad compared to his production. He is good exclusively because of Chris Paul, I think. He's regressed a lot every year since being in Charlotte. I'm happy we didn't add his contract to our payroll which would possibly greatly hinder our flexibility. We need talent, but I mean let's not take on a guy who is putting up 10 and 10 while making 8 digits a year. Add Josh Smith, David West, or ZBo, okay that's fine because they are very good. Ditto for wings like Jamal Crawford, Jason Richardson, and OJ Mayo. But not guys like Emeka who aren't all that and they make the money of someone who does.

And then there is the chance that we are all just speculating way too much, which is probably the case here.

yoadknux
03-04-2011, 07:35 PM
Uhh...
Too bad.
A Collison Mayo Granger Okafor Hibbert won't get us to the top 4 in the east right away, but we'll be decent (lets say top 6) for a few years, and if Collison/Mayo/Hibbert were to break out, we would have been contenders.

Key words, would have been. Too bad we missed this opportunity, but we must look forward and see what we can do next.

PacersPride
03-04-2011, 07:38 PM
Could Emeka and Roy play together?

Hell yes, he is the perfect power forward to be next yo Roy.


There are several PF's who could play well next to Hibbert. With Okafors contract I would prefer the pacers pursue other options.