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johndozark
02-26-2011, 12:14 PM
The offensive stats of the wings we are discussing trying to acquire are not much, if any, better than those of the wings we already have.

Per 36 minutes scoring:

D. Granger 20.9
D. Jones 19.2
P. George 15.3
M. Dunleavy 15.1 (out for two months)
B. Rush 13.2

J. Crawford 17.6
W. Chandler 17.3
O. J. Mayo 15.5


FG%

D. Jones .511
P. George .451
M. Dunleavy .441
B. Rush .438
D. Granger .435

W. Chandler .463
J. Crawford .423
O. J. Mayo .409

3P%

B. Rush .420
D. Granger .386
M. Dunleavy .362
D. Jones .357
P. George .286 (Just think what his overall shooting percentage would be if he were hitting threes at Granger's percentage!)

W. Chandler .364
J. Crawford .351
O. J. Mayo .342

We can expect Paul George to improve his numbers dramatically as soon as he finds the NBA 3 pt range.

As many have noted and as the stats bear out, the problem is getting more quality shots for Brandon Rush. If he were taking five to seven more good quality shots per game, half of them threes, and getting a few more free throw attempts in consequence, his scoring would be in the Granger range or higher.

Leaving Dunleavy out of the picture, with imaginable improvements from George and Rush, we would have four wings with potent offense and, with maturing from George and a little more consistent effort from Granger, fairly formidable defense.

So, are Collison and Price up to the task of helping Rush find more shots? Can Rush learn to put himself in position to get them?

Stats-wise, O.J. Mayo, W. Chandler, and J. Crawford, for example, do not stand out relative to the wings we have.

In fact, if we can boost P. George's and B. Rush's stats a bit, I would say that those other guys we are considering acquiring would have to compete hard to make the rotation.

It's worth a concentrated effort.

troyc11a
02-26-2011, 12:25 PM
The offensive stats of the wings we are discussing trying to acquire are not much, if any, better than those of the wings we already have.

Per 36 minutes scoring:

D. Granger 20.9
D. Jones 19.2
P. George 15.3
M. Dunleavy 15.1 (out for two months)
B. Rush 13.2

J. Crawford 17.6
W. Chandler 17.3
O. J. Mayo 15.5


FG%

D. Jones .511
P. George .451
M. Dunleavy .441
B. Rush .438
D. Granger .435

W. Chandler .463
J. Crawford .423
O. J. Mayo .409

3P%

B. Rush .420
D. Granger .386
M. Dunleavy .362
D. Jones .357
P. George .286 (Just think what his overall shooting percentage would be if he were hitting threes at Granger's percentage!)

W. Chandler .364
J. Crawford .351
O. J. Mayo .342

We can expect Paul George to improve his numbers dramatically as soon as he finds the NBA 3 pt range.

As many have noted and as the stats bear out, the problem is getting more quality shots for Brandon Rush. If he were taking five to seven more good quality shots per game, half of them threes, and getting a few more free throw attempts in consequence, his scoring would be in the Granger range or higher.

Leaving Dunleavy out of the picture, with imaginable improvements from George and Rush, we would have four wings with potent offense and, with maturing from George and a little more consistent effort from Granger, fairly formidable defense.

So, are Collison and Price up to the task of helping Rush find more shots? Can Rush learn to put himself in position to get them?

Stats-wise, O.J. Mayo, W. Chandler, and J. Crawford, for example, do not stand out relative to the wings we have.

In fact, if we can boost P. George's and B. Rush's stats a bit, I would say that those other guys we are considering acquiring would have to compete hard to make the rotation.

It's worth a concentrated effort.


I think you are on to something there. We do need some wing help but from where? Mayo could have benefited from a change of scenery, I don't know. He is young and may have his off-court issues behind him.

I like the increase in production Paul George could have with increased minutes. He is the answer to our wing issue. The question is, will he be the answer "next" year or the year after that?

BringJackBack
02-26-2011, 12:25 PM
You're leaving out that OJ Mayo, Wilson Chandler and Jamal Crawford are on good teams and they can create their own shots and Brandon Rush, Mike Dunleavy,and Dahntay Jones are on bad teams that can't create their own shots*.

*Dahntay sometimes can create his own shot.

We need a closer. If Jamal Crawford, OJ Mayo, or Wilson Chandler came here, their numbers would greatly increase because they'd play 35-36 minutes a night and they'd be our number one option. We want to give one of these guys the green light.

These guys are huge improvements over Rush and Mike.

PacerGuy
02-26-2011, 12:32 PM
I link mango habinero sauce on my wings. I think it provides the kick we need.

Pacersalltheway10
02-26-2011, 12:35 PM
You're also leaving out the fact that mayo and Chandler still have room to grow.

troyc11a
02-26-2011, 12:41 PM
You're leaving out that OJ Mayo, Wilson Chandler and Jamal Crawford are on good teams and they can create their own shots and Brandon Rush, Mike Dunleavy,and Dahntay Jones are on bad teams that can't create their own shots*.

*Dahntay sometimes can create his own shot.

We need a closer. If Jamal Crawford, OJ Mayo, or Wilson Chandler came here, their numbers would greatly increase because they'd play 35-36 minutes a night and they'd be our number one option. We want to give one of these guys the green light.

These guys are huge improvements over Rush and Mike.

I dont know that I would want to build a team that relied on Mayo being the number 1 option. He has never showed that he is up to the challenge. Chandler and Crawford would be upgrades but I dont think they would be our number 1 option ahead of Granger. They are both solid 2 guys like DG is (imho).

I do agree that we need a strong first option - you called it a "closer". I just dont think any of the names mentioned are good enough to be that even if they were upgrades over Rush and Mike - thats not saying a lot!

BringJackBack
02-26-2011, 12:44 PM
What do Mike and Rush do that OJ, Chandler, and Crawford can't?

johndozark
02-26-2011, 02:39 PM
I understand that we need to see Rush perform with higher offensive productivity if he is to remain as a major factor for the Pacers.

However, I also see that he was in an offensive system that did not work for him under the previous coach, and he has not had the playing and practice time to become thoroughly incorporated in the Vogel approach.

Pretty much, it is now or never for him in Indpls.

I remember Collison's confidence on his arrival that he could help Rush find his shots. Has that been given a thorough try and found wanting? Or has it been thought wanting and not thoroughly tried? Alternatively, has it just not had its turn yet? I don't know.

Thirteen games into the Vogel era, with very limited practice times, we can only expect to have instituted a limited amount of new stuff, but, providing Rush is staying away from marijuana, I would like to see some Rush experiments get high priority for a reasonable test period.

I do understand the desire for a shot creator for select occasions, provided that the shot creator knows how to be selective about when those occasions have arrived. I wonder if Paul George has that potential to be developed over time.

Pacer Fan
02-27-2011, 11:27 PM
Bare with this, I will get to the point.
First off, to be able to choose wing players, one has to know how the team will be coached. Either bring players in that fit the system or fit the system to the players.

For example, coach O' tried to spread the floor to take pressure off center and pf position cause the paint is our weak area. So, the wings shot alot of 3's and allowed Collison to slash to the basket with the floor spread, yet this was hard for Danny cause he isn't fast enought to cover the real estate (very seldom drove).

Coach Vogel is not spreading the floor as much therefore less 3's are attempted. However, this is actually causing problems right at the moment for Collison, because the spread has collapse quite abit, he is driving into smaller lanes and running out of real estate. This is creating bad shots and turnovers. Danny on the other hand can gain from this sometimes because he is much stronger and taller and is inside the 3 pt. line when receiving the ball and this also fits D.Jones's strong points of his body strength, height and mid range JUMP shot. Now, If you notice the paint area is alittle more clustered when the ball is fed. This is also causing problems for the C and PF position, like getting dominated in the paint by Utah, with the exception of Josh squeezing the baseline for acouple Slams, Boom Baby!

My Point of all this is what i've seen posted for player FG% makes little difference in the manner posted. Dunleavey shoots long 2's and 3's where Chandler is not a good shooter at mid to long 2's and a terrible 3pt shooter. Mayo FG% is not created by the same type of shots of Dunleavey or Granger. Believe it or not Dunleavey is one of the better pure long range shooters in the league. He has had 40/40 seasons which most good shooters may never achieve. It's all about shot selection.

For us to really know what type of player could help us out in the wing position, we need to know how our coach is going to coach. If he keeps this scheme then adding a Mayo or (JR Smith my choice) would be perfect at SG. Chandler is actually a SF and Granger is much much better. With this said, Pacers really need to address the PF and C position with this coaching scheme. Pacers got to get bigger, stronger PF and C.

If, they want to go back to spreading the floor like coach O' then my suggestion is do what it take to get Eric Gordon SG and Channing Frye SC and Troy Murphy PF that can shoot 3's. Keep Granger, Josh and Dunleavey and have one the very best perimeter shooting team in the league, But our defense will suffer and will be spotty on offense at times.

One more thing, Coach Vogel ( just my opinion) is running like the Pacers of old with the Davis Boys, this is a good thing. I don't like the spread offense.

:buddies:Take us to Victory:buddies:
Tyson Chandler (fa)/ Roy Hibbert / Jeff Foster
Paul Millsap (trade)/ Tyler Hansbrough / Josh McRoberts PF,SF
Danny Granger / Paul George
JR Smith (fa)/ Dahntay Jones
Darren Collison / AJ Price / Lance Stevenson PG, SG

Trade: Brandon Rush, Posey, 2011 for Millsap

graphic-er
02-27-2011, 11:37 PM
Well for one thing, the 3 guys the op mention in comparison to our wings is that those 3 guys are all on winning teams. Huge upgrade in my opinion.

Pacer Fan
02-27-2011, 11:49 PM
But you don't put Crawford on a muscle team and you dont' put Chandler on a shooting perimeter team. The players listed are so different and you can't look at FG% with Chandler vs Dunleavey cause Chandler couldn't ever think to do what Dunleavey does. ya know.

pacer4ever
02-28-2011, 12:47 AM
Bare with this, I will get to the point.
First off, to be able to choose wing players, one has to know how the team will be coached. Either bring players in that fit the system or fit the system to the players.

For example, coach O' tried to spread the floor to take pressure off center and pf position cause the paint is our weak area. So, the wings shot alot of 3's and allowed Collison to slash to the basket with the floor spread, yet this was hard for Danny cause he isn't fast enought to cover the real estate (very seldom drove).

Coach Vogel is not spreading the floor as much therefore less 3's are attempted. However, this is actually causing problems right at the moment for Collison, because the spread has collapse quite abit, he is driving into smaller lanes and running out of real estate. This is creating bad shots and turnovers. Danny on the other hand can gain from this sometimes because he is much stronger and taller and is inside the 3 pt. line when receiving the ball and this also fits D.Jones's strong points of his body strength, height and mid range JUMP shot. Now, If you notice the paint area is alittle more clustered when the ball is fed. This is also causing problems for the C and PF position, like getting dominated in the paint by Utah, with the exception of Josh squeezing the baseline for acouple Slams, Boom Baby!

My Point of all this is what i've seen posted for player FG% makes little difference in the manner posted. Dunleavey shoots long 2's and 3's where Chandler is not a good shooter at mid to long 2's and a terrible 3pt shooter. Mayo FG% is not created by the same type of shots of Dunleavey or Granger. Believe it or not Dunleavey is one of the better pure long range shooters in the league. He has had 40/40 seasons which most good shooters may never achieve. It's all about shot selection.

For us to really know what type of player could help us out in the wing position, we need to know how our coach is going to coach. If he keeps this scheme then adding a Mayo or (JR Smith my choice) would be perfect at SG. Chandler is actually a SF and Granger is much much better. With this said, Pacers really need to address the PF and C position with this coaching scheme. Pacers got to get bigger, stronger PF and C.

If, they want to go back to spreading the floor like coach O' then my suggestion is do what it take to get Eric Gordon SG and Channing Frye SC and Troy Murphy PF that can shoot 3's. Keep Granger, Josh and Dunleavey and have one the very best perimeter shooting team in the league, But our defense will suffer and will be spotty on offense at times.

One more thing, Coach Vogel ( just my opinion) is running like the Pacers of old with the Davis Boys, this is a good thing. I don't like the spread offense.

:buddies:Take us to Victory:buddies:
Tyson Chandler (fa)/ Roy Hibbert / Jeff Foster
Paul Millsap (trade)/ Tyler Hansbrough / Josh McRoberts PF,SF
Danny Granger / Paul George
JR Smith (fa)/ Dahntay Jones
Darren Collison / AJ Price / Lance Stevenson PG, SG

Trade: Brandon Rush, Posey, 2011 for Millsap

Utah GM :lol2: at Larry Bird and hangs up.


Chandler is gonna get paid by Cuban.
JR Smith really? Smash mouth lol

Paul George will start next year. Unless we get a major upgrade. In this scenerio JR would come off the bench.

pacer4ever
02-28-2011, 12:49 AM
You're leaving out that OJ Mayo, Wilson Chandler and Jamal Crawford are on good teams and they can create their own shots and Brandon Rush, Mike Dunleavy,and Dahntay Jones are on bad teams that can't create their own shots*.

*Dahntay sometimes can create his own shot.

We need a closer. If Jamal Crawford, OJ Mayo, or Wilson Chandler came here, their numbers would greatly increase because they'd play 35-36 minutes a night and they'd be our number one option. We want to give one of these guys the green light.

These guys are huge improvements over Rush and Mike.

Chandler creates his own shot about as good as Granger which = fail

BringJackBack
02-28-2011, 06:27 AM
..Which is still better that Dun/Rush.

Pacer Fan
02-28-2011, 07:59 AM
Utah GM :lol2: at Larry Bird and hangs up.


Chandler is gonna get paid by Cuban.
JR Smith really? Smash mouth lol

Paul George will start next year. Unless we get a major upgrade. In this scenerio JR would come off the bench.

Chandler can be had for the right price possibly. Have to try anyways!

JR Smith is a really good SG. Can shoot from anywhere. create his own shot. Can take it to the hole and brings toughness, which we don't have in that position. He don't bring baggage like Mayo. And who's a bigger smash mouth then Reggie Miller.

Rush, Expiring contract of Posey and 2011 1st rnd pick is perfect for Millsap, Utah needs a SG and Posey can bring outside shooting in Sf position which they lack. I think that is a really good offer.

Also, sorry to bust your bubble but George is not a SG and the only way he'll start is if Granger is traded or there is injury.

yoadknux
02-28-2011, 08:28 AM
Chandler can be had for the right price possibly. Have to try anyways!

JR Smith is a really good SG. Can shoot from anywhere. create his own shot. Can take it to the hole and brings toughness, which we don't have in that position. He don't bring baggage like Mayo. And who's a bigger smash mouth then Reggie Miller.

Rush, Expiring contract of Posey and 2011 1st rnd pick is perfect for Millsap, Utah needs a SG and Posey can bring outside shooting in Sf position which they lack. I think that is a really good offer.

Also, sorry to bust your bubble but George is not a SG and the only way he'll start is if Granger is traded or there is injury.
How can you call trading one of your good starters for a pretty below average starter, some cap space and a draft pick "a really good offer". Utah will probably build around Harris, Millsap and Al for the next few years. Only thing that might change it is if Favors really breaks out

Pacer Fan
02-28-2011, 08:37 AM
How can you call trading one of your good starters for a pretty below average starter, some cap space and a draft pick "a really good offer". Utah will probably build around Harris, Millsap and Al for the next few years. Only thing that might change it is if Favors really breaks out

Cause I think they will build around Derrick Favors not Millsap. Just my opinion.:happydanc

yoadknux
02-28-2011, 09:32 AM
Cause I think they will build around Derrick Favors not Millsap. Just my opinion.:happydanc
They can probably still get a better deal than what you suggested though...

Pacer Fan
02-28-2011, 09:42 AM
They can probably still get a better deal than what you suggested though...

Good possiblity! but it's a offer on the table, start the negotiations.

pacer4ever
02-28-2011, 10:06 AM
Chandler can be had for the right price possibly. Have to try anyways!

JR Smith is a really good SG. Can shoot from anywhere. create his own shot. Can take it to the hole and brings toughness, which we don't have in that position. He don't bring baggage like Mayo. And who's a bigger smash mouth then Reggie Miller.

Rush, Expiring contract of Posey and 2011 1st rnd pick is perfect for Millsap, Utah needs a SG and Posey can bring outside shooting in Sf position which they lack. I think that is a really good offer.

Also, sorry to bust your bubble but George is not a SG and the only way he'll start is if Granger is traded or there is injury.

JR Smith has as much baggage as Mayo

George is a wing that is pretty clear doesnt matter if it is SG or SF he will be good.

Pacer Fan
02-28-2011, 10:25 AM
JR Smith has as much baggage as Mayo

George is a wing that is pretty clear doesnt matter if it is SG or SF he will be good.

Yep, your right, JR is a trouble maker, I didn't realize. Have to find someone else with that skill set now.

If George can start at SG then great, I think he is to slow..obviously Pacers think so to or they wouldn't try to get Mayo and his long contract...just a thought.

X JR Smith
X OJ Mayo

pacer4ever
02-28-2011, 10:27 AM
Yep, your right, JR is a trouble maker, I didn't realize. Have to find someone else with that skill set now.

If George can start at SG then great, I think he is to slow..obviously Pacers think so to or they wouldn't try to get Mayo and his long contract...just a thought.

X JR Smith
X OJ Mayo

no the Pacers were gonna get a steal in J-mac for OJ. Reguadless Paul would have backed up OJ at the SG if we would have got him.


JR will be a Bull next year i think.

Brad8888
02-28-2011, 10:44 AM
Red Bull.

Red Bull gives you wiiiiiiiiiings!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Or, in OJ Mayo's case, a 10 game suspension...

Gamble1
03-01-2011, 08:56 AM
Instead of signing some young player who George will be better than anyway why don't we sign a vet for 3 years and let PG develop.

How much do you guys think Jason Richardson will get paid next year? 3 years 8 million per? I know that may be over paying but he isn't a trouble maker and he seems like a hard worker that would fit into the locker room. In addition Richardson seems like a guy who could be the 6th man off the bench in his final year with out too much griping.

xIndyFan
03-01-2011, 09:02 AM
pacer wings will be fine. paul george looks like the real deal, danny is the real deal. basically case closed.

a trade like the mayo trade is ok. upgrade the backup wing spot. remember, if lance cannot play the point, he may be the third wing anyway. spending lots of money on a 3rd wing seems a bit of a waste to me. given the glaring hole that is the PF spot.

Gamble1
03-01-2011, 09:12 AM
pacer wings will be fine. paul george looks like the real deal, danny is the real deal. basically case closed.

a trade like the mayo trade is ok. upgrade the backup wing spot. remember, if lance cannot play the point, he may be the third wing anyway. spending lots of money on a 3rd wing seems a bit of a waste to me. given the glaring hole that is the PF spot.
The beauty of it is that we will have enough money to sign a good pf in addition to a wing and a backup center.

If we sign a vet like richardson for 3 years then the timing of it all is perfect. The money will be off the books to resign a guy like PG and the position will be open as well.

In the off season I would look to upgrade 2 starting spots not just one. Bird seems bent on doing that is just how to do that. PF is a must IMO but then what position would it be if its not the sg spot. Point Guard?

Do you spend money on a guy like Aaron Brooks or do you trade for a Felton? I know Felton would be an upgrade but the asking price might be step. Brooks I am not so sure of.

BringJackBack
03-01-2011, 03:03 PM
Do NOT get Aaron Brooks.. Just my opinion. He's shooting 34% from the field and he's a shell of what he was last year.

Pacergeek
03-01-2011, 03:22 PM
Do NOT get Aaron Brooks.. Just my opinion. He's shooting 34% from the field and he's a shell of what he was last year.

i don't get what is going on with Brooks at all. he was killing it in the playoffs a few seasons ago. maybe its just a case of defenders making subtle adjustments, and brooks has failed to adapt?

xIndyFan
03-01-2011, 03:29 PM
The beauty of it is that we will have enough money to sign a good pf in addition to a wing and a backup center.

If we sign a vet like richardson for 3 years then the timing of it all is perfect. The money will be off the books to resign a guy like PG and the position will be open as well.

In the off season I would look to upgrade 2 starting spots not just one. Bird seems bent on doing that is just how to do that. PF is a must IMO but then what position would it be if its not the sg spot. Point Guard?

Do you spend money on a guy like Aaron Brooks or do you trade for a Felton? I know Felton would be an upgrade but the asking price might be step. Brooks I am not so sure of.

pacers need bigs. probably a couple of them. guys that can score in the paint. the best starting PF they can get and maybe a backup that can play C and PF both. right now, the pacers have the worst PF's in the league. that seems the obvious place to start.

aside from that, pacers need to do what every team does. try to upgrade positions as they can.

the PG's are ok. jmo, but neither felton or brooks would be much of an upgrade from what the pacers have now. and they cost more. between DC, AJ and lance, the pacers should be above average at the point for the next couple of years.

wings are good with danny and paul. brandon makes a good backup. no need to spend money there unless a good deal like the mayo trade.

they also need to save some cap space as all the pacer young players will be coming off their rookie contracts over the next couple of three years.

BringJackBack
03-01-2011, 03:30 PM
It's strange because he was so good and effective last year. He's been very bad this year.. Maybe he's been hiding an injury?

xIndyFan
03-01-2011, 03:33 PM
It's strange because he was so good and effective last year. He's been very bad this year.. Maybe he's been hiding an injury?

brooks is little. and depends on quicks. guys get hurt, guys get older, they get slower. that really puts little guys at a disadvantage because they stay little. :cough: DC :cough:

Richard_Skull
03-01-2011, 04:11 PM
The problem with our wings is that we need someone who is clutch. So my question is, who is the most clutch sg in FA.

Trophy
03-01-2011, 04:26 PM
I think Mayo is a pretty clutch player.

He scored a lot of difficult shots a star SG would take in his first 2 seasons in the league.

The guys we have now seem like they freeze up in crunch time and they get careless and stop playing hard and it gives the opposing team the win.

We're terrible in OT.

nyballer31
03-01-2011, 04:31 PM
The problem with our wings is that we need someone who is clutch. So my question is, who is the most clutch sg in FA.

Jamal Crawford is a guy who is fearless, he will take big shots and can make them. I just don't know how comfortable I would be signing him to a big contract for a guy who is better suited coming off the bench.

Jared Sullinger
03-01-2011, 05:07 PM
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Dunleavy is fairly productive, and I certainly think he's helped us when available, but he's 30 and has a history of being injured, as we all know.

Crawford's productive, too, but he's even older, turning 31 in three weeks. Do we want to invest in someone who's on the wrong side of 30?

Mayo and Chandler are both young, 23 and about to turn 24, respectively, and both have proven themselves to be productive players. I wouldn't mind making a play for either, or even both if possible. Chandler's current production is quite similar (http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=chandwi01&y1=2011&p2=grangda01&y2=2008) to Danny's the year he won Most Improved Player. I could see him and Paul George as the future of our wings, and us moving Danny for a talented frontcourt player.

Jones and Rush are clearly inferior producers to the other four players and are journeymen-level talents, in my opinion. They're not worth talking about.

Pacer Fan
03-01-2011, 06:32 PM
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Dunleavy is fairly productive, and I certainly think he's helped us when available, but he's 30 and has a history of being injured, as we all know.

Crawford's productive, too, but he's even older, turning 31 in three weeks. Do we want to invest in someone who's on the wrong side of 30?

Mayo and Chandler are both young, 23 and about to turn 24, respectively, and both have proven themselves to be productive players. I wouldn't mind making a play for either, or even both if possible. Chandler's current production is quite similar (http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=chandwi01&y1=2011&p2=grangda01&y2=2008) to Danny's the year he won Most Improved Player. I could see him and Paul George as the future of our wings, and us moving Danny for a talented frontcourt player.

Jones and Rush are clearly inferior producers to the other four players and are journeymen-level talents, in my opinion. They're not worth talking about.

Hi, could you pull in Arrron Afflalo and JR Smith with these charts, i'm really curious where they stand. I really like the play of both and Smith will be a free agents...Afflalo has QO.
Don't need Jones and Rush stats.
I'd appreciate it very much. :dance:

BringJackBack
03-01-2011, 06:54 PM
Keep in mind that OJ, Jamal, and Chandler would get a lot more shots than Mike and Rush did in Indiana.

Justin Tyme
03-01-2011, 07:01 PM
We're terrible in OT.



The Suns won their 2nd game in a row in OT last night.

Jared Sullinger
03-01-2011, 07:17 PM
Hi, could you pull in Arrron Afflalo and JR Smith with these charts, i'm really curious where they stand. I really like the play of both and Smith will be a free agents...Afflalo has QO.
Don't need Jones and Rush stats.
I'd appreciate it very much. :dance:

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Current Season (http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=afflaar01&y1=2011&p2=chandwi01&y2=2011&p3=crawfja01&y3=2011&p4=mayooj01&y4=2011&p5=dunlemi02&y5=2011&p6=smithjr01&y6=2011)

Careers (http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=afflaar01&y1=2011&p2=chandwi01&y2=2011&p3=crawfja01&y3=2011&p4=dunlemi02&y4=2011&p5=mayooj01&y5=2011&p6=smithjr01&y6=2011)

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Taterhead
03-02-2011, 03:51 AM
I would like to see the Pacers try to trade Danny for a young PF who can fill a Kendrick Perkins type of role for us. Either by moving up in the draft or through a straight trade. Derrick Favors would probably be at the top of my list. Maybe instead of trading Jefferson or Millsap they would be willing to deal Favors for Danny. Granger fits in pretty nicely there and would mesh well with Harris and their two bigs. And they would be a good SG away from having a very good starting 5.

In free agency and on the trade market, I would like to see the Pacers go after OJ Mayo and/or Arron Afflalo and an upgrade at center behind Roy. I would like to see them get Oden on a low risk deal somehow. He would be in a good situation here backing up Roy and playing limited minutes for a few years. He needs to stay healthy for awhile and he would be in a low pressure situation here, plus it might create an interest in the team amongst the local casual fans.

In the draft I really like Terrance Jones and I would love to try and use Rush in a trade to try and move to get him. Jones is a unique talent and would be a nice addition, IMO.

I think the hardest positions to fill are the big men and the PG's. I am probably in the minority but I like Stephenson and Collison as the future PG's for us so I am looking at our bigs more than anything else. And a big upgrade is needed.

Jared Sullinger
03-03-2011, 12:14 AM
Thaddeus Young should probably be added to this conversation. He seems criminally underrated to me. He's just 22 and putting up 17 & 7 per-36 while shooting 55% from the field. A Sixth Man of the Year contender. An added bonus is we'd be taking away one of the Sixers' best players.

DemonHunter1105
03-03-2011, 12:52 AM
Thaddeus Young should probably be added to this conversation. He seems criminally underrated to me. He's just 22 and putting up 17 & 7 per-36 while shooting 55% from the field. A Sixth Man of the Year contender. An added bonus is we'd be taking away one of the Sixers' best players.

I love Thaddeus Young mainly because he always seems to rape us when we play the Sixers. Most people that destroy us I dislike to some degree, but I don't dislike him for some reason. I am still not sure why he doesn't get more time.