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TMJ31
09-18-2004, 03:08 PM
There is currently a little blurb about an article called dream dozen on espn.com's NBA page.

It says they put together a 12 man roster of the best players, and Brad Miller was their #1 center. The rest of the team you have to be subscribed to see.

I for one, would love to see who else is on this list... If JO or Ron got on, etc.

Could someone with a subscription please put the article in this thread?

Thanks

sweabs
09-18-2004, 03:33 PM
It says they put together a 12 man roster of the best players, and Brad Miller was their #1 center.

Umm...who the HELL would put Brad Miller as their #1 centre? They had the choice of any centre in the league?!?! :confused:

Wow - I wonder what Shaq would have to say about that.

TMJ31
09-18-2004, 03:43 PM
No idea man-- which is why I am really curious to see the full article

Destined4Greatness
09-18-2004, 04:14 PM
They Probably thought Shaq need to Rest and Recuperate after the Playoffs he ain't getting any younger. And Yao Ming is Chinese so, that leaves Brad Miller.

SoupIsGood
09-18-2004, 05:07 PM
What's yao being chinese have to do with it?:confused:

Destined4Greatness
09-18-2004, 05:24 PM
I thought this was talking about the Team we could of sent to the Olympics, if not then yeah I guess Shaq or Yao should have been selected.

Ultimate Frisbee
09-18-2004, 05:25 PM
Yeah, I don't really understand whats up with the Chinese thing... Yao is still more valuable than B. Miller

Natston
09-18-2004, 05:28 PM
I'm guessing that Brad is number one because he is more of a team player and the fact that he does many different things. Without looking at the article, I am assuming that the Dream Dozen would actually be a team rather than a collection of All Stars getting assembled for the olympics...

sweabs
09-18-2004, 05:45 PM
I'm guessing that Brad is number one because he is more of a team player and the fact that he does many different things. Without looking at the article, I am assuming that the Dream Dozen would actually be a team rather than a collection of All Stars getting assembled for the olympics...

If that is the case, give me Ben Wallace.

BigMac
09-18-2004, 08:47 PM
http://proxy.espn.go.com/espn/print?id=1883473&type=story

The art of selflessness

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By Terry Brown
ESPN Insider

You won't find it in any boxscore or statistical analysis, but there is such a thing as the pass that leads to the pass that leads to the bucket.
It's right there next to screens and defensive switches and central to our search for "real" basketball players, as we enter our final day of compiling a team of NBA players that would win in June as well as win in Athens.

"Complementary players are the key to any basketball team," said an NBA scout. "You have to have guys who are willing to sacrifice themselves and make that pass and follow through with their cut with only a hope that if they are open, they'll get the return pass. Most of the time they won't, but they keep the offense going time and time again."


It's a battle of A-game and egos when Kobe and T-Mac face off.
Allen Iverson, Tracy McGrady and Kobe Bryant are more than willing to take the shot. They are applauded for sometimes making the pass. But put all three of them on the same team, and on any particular play, only one of them can take that shot, and only one of them can make that pass.

We could have started this whole list by breaking out the tape and watching what players do when they don't have the ball -- the camera isn't focused on them -- and eliminated any of them that stood on the periphery constantly calling for the rock.

The difference between a good player and a great player may very well be what he does with his time when he doesn't have the ball in his hands.

"There is a right way to set a screen," said another NBA scout. "And it doesn't involve raising the opposite hand to call for the ball before the play even has a chance to develop."

But before we go any further, here are the centers for our team:


Brad Miller, C, Sacramento Kings

Court Sense 7
Locker room Chemistry 7
Coachability 8
Fundamentals 8
Work Ethic 8
Pluses: In the East, they talk about how big and strong he is. In the West, they talk about his soft hands and keen sense of passing. But does it really matter when you realize that everyone is talking about a player who was never drafted?
Minuses: Almost looks as if he could fall over on his side, even as he hits full stride.
Scout's take: "He could have been born 20 years ago, and he would have been just as good an NBA player as he is today."

Jamaal Magloire, C, New Orleans Hornets

Court Sense 6
Locker room Chemistry 7
Coachability 8
Fundamentals 7
Work Ethic 9
Pluses: In his second season in the NBA, he became a 50-percent shooter. In his third, he became a double-digit scorer. In his fourth, he became a double-digit rebounder. He begins his fifth in about a month.
Minuses: There are still gaps in his game that he could walk through without ducking at 6-foot-11.
Scout's take: "This kid started from scratch in the NBA and turned himself into an all-star without having to apologize to anyone along the way."
(Note: Magloire is Canadian by birth but has never played for the Canadian Senior Basketball Team, and therefore is still eligible for our team ala Tim Duncan, though his address may have to change.)

That would make it an even 12 for our team of "real" players.

Here's the recap:

Right-way All-Stars
Starting Five Off the Bench
PG Jason Kidd
SG Ray Allen
SF Kevin Garnett
PF Tim Duncan
C Brad Miller

PG Mike Bibby
G Brent Barry
SG Fred Hoiberg
PF Ben Wallace
SF Shane Battier
SF Mike Dunleavy
C Jamaal Magloire


Sure, there are all-stars and future Hall of Famers -- but there are also reserves and complementary players. Of the starting five, two of them could care less about scoring themselves (with averages of 14.8 ppg and 11.2 ppg), and two players have been accused of not shooting enough throughout their careers, despite winning three MVPs between them.

There are also shooters, defenders and guys who can play an effective 15 minutes in a game without taking a single shot and guys who can win a game with a single shot.

But most important to this analysis is that we've got 12 who could be locked in a gym for three or four months and still be friends afterward. Or, they could take the floor for the first time without any prior notice and still pass and cut and make the defensive switches necessary to win a basketball game against anyone.

Or, you could have Stephon Marbury taking threes, Carmelo Anthony sulking and Emeka Okafor collecting DNPs, not one of them knowing how to make the pass that leads to the pass that leads to the bucket.

Ultimate Frisbee
09-18-2004, 08:57 PM
I now understand the Chinese thing... :-D

blanket
09-18-2004, 10:48 PM
Scout's take: "He could have been born 20 years ago, and he would have been just as good an NBA player as he is today."

:confused:

I'm not sure what he's trying to say here. Brad was born 28 years ago, so what is he suggesting by an 8 year age difference? Did he mean "he could have been an NBA player 20 years ago..."?

Anthem
09-19-2004, 12:25 PM
I'm not sure I'd give Brad an 8 on work ethic.

In fact, I know I wouldn't.

That's a really good starting 5, though. The team as a whole seems heavy on bigs. If we were going international with this, I'd strongly consider Redd instead of Dunleavy.

Peck
09-19-2004, 05:08 PM
I must have read this article wrong. Where is Mr. rebound a min. & great big man defender Foster.:tongue:

Unclebuck
09-19-2004, 06:49 PM
I never read anything Terry Brown writes

Lord Helmet
09-19-2004, 10:45 PM
I never read anything Terry Brown writes
:laugh: