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Kstat
09-17-2004, 03:35 PM
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/sports_columnists/article/0,1299,DRMN_83_3188852,00.html

Lincicome: Melo's train looks to be on wrong track

By Bernie Lincicome, Rocky Mountain News

September 17, 2004

Sooner or later it must be Carmelo Anthony's fault, all or some of these unfortunate smudges to his reputation as the next-to-the-next big thing.

Anthony seems to be in the wrong place a lot, whether it is at the Olympics as poster grump or at a New York nightclub during a recent fractious night out with his posse or ad-hocking his way through Nuggets games.

Excuses are left to those who tidy up behind him, grateful for the opportunity.

This is not an encouraging portrait of a young man who, at this time last year, seemed so full of promise and consideration, the confident conductor on the Nuggets' train to glory.

What was then generous seems now to lean more to selfish or to self-protecting, not that this is a condition uncommon to the famous and the over-petted.

After all, having your own candy bar and autobiography before you've lived long enough to finish either one might tend to warp one's perspective.

Anthony might be allowed Allen Iverson's attitude when he has done what Iverson has done or accomplished some part of what Iverson has accomplished. For now, all he shares with The Answer is antagonism of the same coach.

After all, Iverson couldn't get along with coach Larry Brown, either, so when Anthony became the wart on the rump of the Dream Team, this could be viewed with a sort of pride.

It takes some doing to be the greatest failure on a team of great failure.

I did hear in Athens that some USA Basketball clerks were so disappointed with the general attitude of not just Anthony but a couple of other NBA players that they wanted to send them home.

I was never able to confirm as much, but what was clear is that Anthony was the least favorite of any of the players. Brown simply did not have the time to teach him, to coddle him or to worry about hurting his feelings.

There was a gold medal to be lost, and the great favor Brown did for Anthony was to remove him from any real part in it.

Still, Brown's displeasure might have done Anthony's standing in the game more damage than Jeff Bzdelik's annoyance ever could, though poor Coach Buzz must grit his teeth and bear it, whereas Brown could simply tell Anthony to stay out of the way.

If Anthony loafed in Olympics practices, sulked in Olympics games and publicly wished to be anywhere but where he was, there were traces of the very same stuff during the Nuggets' season.

He got away with it here; he did not get away with it there.

Nothing Brown asked Anthony to do was different from what Bzdelik asks every day, over and over. And Anthony treated each request the same: He would do whatever he felt like doing.

Whether Anthony will benefit from rejection we shall see. Will he return to the Nuggets better for having his limitations exposed, or will he fall right back into his privileged slot as indulged savior?

The addition of Kenyon Martin by the Nuggets should be a worthy step forward, although Martin has a significant basketball pedigree, not to mention a headband, of his own. Ego being an undependable variable in the mix of a team, we can go only by what we have seen.

Unless it is on his terms, Anthony seems not to work well with others. Maybe Martin is generous enough not to want to be the star of the Nuggets, because there can be only one.

Maybe Anthony can fit in better with just one new teammate than he did with 11.

You do have to wonder if Anthony is fatally or only temporarily immature. Will he grow into the leader he must be, the teammate he must be, or will he become a waste of Rocky Mountain time?

This latest business at a Manhattan salsa club called Babalu would be merely titillating had it not fit so neatly into the direction Anthony seems to be drifting. What happened is not clear, but whatever happened is not good for Anthony.

It apparently involved, at the least, a new girlfriend and an old boyfriend, angry words and hot tempers. Punches were or were not thrown. Nobody seemed to think it was a big deal.

This might be routine business in the late-night music world, and if it is, it is not the world Anthony should be risking his world in.

Anthony needs something good to happen to him, and the publishing of his autobiography, while admirable for what it is - a book to inspire youngsters - does not cancel the recent rest.

Slick Pinkham
09-17-2004, 04:52 PM
If Carmelo's train is on the wrong track, all I can say is that alternative pick Darko Milicic hasn't gotten on any train, hasn't got a train ticket, and moreover has no clue about how to get to the train station.

:p

Kstat
09-17-2004, 04:57 PM
Mello has a ticket, Darko has a ring.

:p

sweabs
09-17-2004, 05:05 PM
After all, having your own candy bar and autobiography before you've lived long enough to finish either one might tend to warp one's perspective.

:lol2:
That is priceless.

Anthem
09-17-2004, 09:42 PM
Hard to be too down on the guy... he's 19. And better than several players that Brown played ahead of him.

Of course, I still maintain that he (and BronBron) shouldn't have been on the team.

ImReppinBtown
09-18-2004, 12:30 AM
I think Melo's the man. Oh and Darko is weak. And I know youre going to say "wait and see" but yeah he will still be weak.

Kstat
09-18-2004, 12:41 AM
Darko- 1 ring

Mello- 0 rings.

I know you're going to say "wait and see," But Mello couldn't lead his team out of a wet paper bag.

This thread was never about Darko to begin with. If I couldn't have Darko, there are like 5 rookies I'd have rather had than Anthony.

SoupIsGood
09-18-2004, 01:03 AM
Darko- 1 ring

Mello- 0 rings.

I know you're going to say "wait and see," But Mello couldn't lead his team out of a wet paper bag.

This thread was never about Darko to begin with. If I couldn't have Darko, there are like 5 rookies I'd have rather had than Anthony.


Yeah and Darko did a whole lot of leading sitting on the bench all year. That ring comparison means nothing, because Darko never played. There are few ring comparisons that I think are meaningful, and that isn't one of them.

Kstat
09-18-2004, 01:08 AM
Darko- 1 ring

Mello- 0 rings.

I know you're going to say "wait and see," But Mello couldn't lead his team out of a wet paper bag.

This thread was never about Darko to begin with. If I couldn't have Darko, there are like 5 rookies I'd have rather had than Anthony.


Yeah and Darko did a whole lot of leading sitting on the bench all year. That ring comparison means nothing, because Darko never played. There are few ring comparisons that I think are meaningful, and that isn't one of them.


......so is comparing the rookie success of a guy whos team HAD to play him, vs a guy on a team that didn't need to play him, but you don't seem to mind that......

as I said, this thread was never about Darko to begin with. I just don't like Mello's attitude. Even for a 20-year old, I don't like it. I've never heard a kid his age mouth off so many times in my life. The kid cries like a spoiled brat WHENEVER he's asked to play within a team concept. He did it in Denver, and even worse, he did it representing his country. It isnt just going to change automatically when he hits 22. He's another Glenn Robinson: if he doesnt get his shots, he's going to bring his team down with him.

SoupIsGood
09-18-2004, 08:29 AM
......so is comparing the rookie success of a guy whos team HAD to play him, vs a guy on a team that didn't need to play him, but you don't seem to mind that......



What? All I said is Darko isn't a strong leader either, and the old "Darko has a ring" thing is dumb because you can put any other player in the nba in his position and he gets a ring.

As for that other stuff about Anthony, I would probably agree with you.

Hicks
09-18-2004, 08:57 AM
Steve Kerr - 5 rings
Darko - 1 ring

Therefore, by Kstat's logic, Kerr >>>>> Darko :p

Roaming Gnome
09-18-2004, 09:14 AM
Hey, how many rings does Greg Kite have? :devillaugh:

MSA2CF
09-18-2004, 10:37 AM
This doesn't have much to do with anything about teams, does it? Darko has a ring, big deal. Don't they give out NCAA Championship rings? Then, wouldn't Carmelo have a ring also? That's one thing Anthony has done that Milicic hasn't. Earn a championship.
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JOneal7
09-19-2004, 05:58 AM
darko flat out sucks.
Just face the facts.

Anthem
09-19-2004, 12:22 PM
darko flat out sucks.
Just face the facts.

You're a big JB fan, right?

NugzFan
09-19-2004, 09:33 PM
*yawn*

linciomme has always been a nugget hater, just like woody paig and mark kizla...that article is nothing. hes done that for years...trying to get more readers.

NugzFan
09-19-2004, 09:35 PM
Darko- 1 ring

Mello- 0 rings.

I know you're going to say "wait and see," But Mello couldn't lead his team out of a wet paper bag.

This thread was never about Darko to begin with. If I couldn't have Darko, there are like 5 rookies I'd have rather had than Anthony.



uh, you dont actually believe that ring stat means anything do you?

and melo did lead his team to the 8th seed in the western conference. nice try though.

obviously a PISTON FAN would rather have guys like darko, wade and im guessing bosh and who knows who else...but thats because you are a piston fan.

sweabs
09-19-2004, 09:54 PM
Darko- 1 ring

Mello- 0 rings.

I know you're going to say "wait and see," But Mello couldn't lead his team out of a wet paper bag.

This thread was never about Darko to begin with. If I couldn't have Darko, there are like 5 rookies I'd have rather had than Anthony.



uh, you dont actually believe that ring stat means anything do you?

and melo did lead his team to the 8th seed in the western conference. nice try though.

obviously a PISTON FAN would rather have guys like darko, wade and im guessing bosh and who knows who else...but thats because you are a piston fan.

Give me Wade or Bosh over Mello any day.

And I'm a Pacer fan.

MSA2CF
09-19-2004, 09:55 PM
:laugh: Carmelo



There are two things I expect out of every Pacers game I go to:
a Pacers win and
a 3 by Reggie

NugzFan
09-19-2004, 09:59 PM
Darko- 1 ring

Mello- 0 rings.

I know you're going to say "wait and see," But Mello couldn't lead his team out of a wet paper bag.

This thread was never about Darko to begin with. If I couldn't have Darko, there are like 5 rookies I'd have rather had than Anthony.



uh, you dont actually believe that ring stat means anything do you?

and melo did lead his team to the 8th seed in the western conference. nice try though.

obviously a PISTON FAN would rather have guys like darko, wade and im guessing bosh and who knows who else...but thats because you are a piston fan.

Give me Wade or Bosh over Mello any day.

And I'm a Pacer fan.


they are all yours!

Anthem
09-19-2004, 10:22 PM
Dunno about Bosh, but agree on Wade.

SoupIsGood
09-19-2004, 10:55 PM
Talent wise, I would rather have Anthony than Bosh or wade, or Hinrich or anyone else. Except LeBron, of course.

sweabs
09-20-2004, 12:02 AM
Trust me...I try to watch every Raptors game...I saw about 70 of them last year...and Bosh is going to be good...very good.

Anthem
09-20-2004, 12:53 AM
Well, fine. But so are Carmelloa and Wade.

Kstat
09-20-2004, 06:08 AM
Darko- 1 ring

Mello- 0 rings.

I know you're going to say "wait and see," But Mello couldn't lead his team out of a wet paper bag.

This thread was never about Darko to begin with. If I couldn't have Darko, there are like 5 rookies I'd have rather had than Anthony.



uh, you dont actually believe that ring stat means anything do you?

and melo did lead his team to the 8th seed in the western conference. nice try though.

obviously a PISTON FAN would rather have guys like darko, wade and im guessing bosh and who knows who else...but thats because you are a piston fan.

Give me Wade or Bosh over Mello any day.

And I'm a Pacer fan.


Darko aside, I'd rather have had James, Hinrich, Wade, Bosh and TJ Ford (pre-injury) over the secomnd coming of Glenn Robinson.

Fool
09-20-2004, 08:51 AM
Back to the article.

If this guy is a Nuggets hater that is good to know. However, I do think Carmello has gotten the glossy treatment (people just gloss over the things he does) mostly because (well his tallent for one but) his rookie class was so good and for the most part one of the most maturist rookie classes since high schoolers started getting taken.

However, I would hope that he learns not to have these little tantrums (I really don't like him refusing to come back into the game because his entire team had to get in his face before he figured out he was hurting the team with his terrible shot selection) rather than suffer from them (the little tantrums) the rest of his career.

Why wouldn't Pacer fans want Bosh or Wade (two positions they were looking at improving if you move Wade to the 2) rather than Carmello?
I am happy with my teams project plus what other team has a human victory cigar?
If Carmello can learn to play D (something he never had to do in the zone Syracuse plays) and if he can learn shot selection then I will care about him. So far he is a guy who can get 20 if he gets enough shots (something not everyone can do I admit). Juwan Howard can do that too and I don't care about him either.

Liquid Slap
09-20-2004, 10:33 AM
I personally don't like any player that is not team oriented. Or a player that throws fits if he doesn't get his way. Too many times have I seen this crybaby on the court. Sure, he can put up 20 points a night after jacking up about 92,203 shots. After seeing what I have seen this past season, I would have drafted Hindrich over everyone else including Darko(LBJ excluded). Put him on any playoff caliber team and he shines even more.

As far as Darko goes, I don't see the promise of what he can bring. I am not saying he is a bust. I just don't think it's fair to judge a guy that's averaged like a minute a game. No one can hit the floor after sitting for 47 minutes str8 and then drop 10-10. I am waiting to see what happens; but I won't judge him yet.

sweabs
09-21-2004, 10:02 AM
I don't know if I would have taken Hinrich with the #2 pick...after seeing the guys last year, I would say:

1. Lebron
2. Wade
3. Bosh
4. Hinrich
5. Mello

Yeah - I'm giving a lot of credit to Bosh - but he really has a great all around game...he's not afraid to block shots, has a sweet mid range jumper, is aggressive down low, a high energy guy...I just see good things from the guy in the future.

NugzFan
09-22-2004, 10:50 PM
Darko- 1 ring

Mello- 0 rings.

I know you're going to say "wait and see," But Mello couldn't lead his team out of a wet paper bag.

This thread was never about Darko to begin with. If I couldn't have Darko, there are like 5 rookies I'd have rather had than Anthony.



uh, you dont actually believe that ring stat means anything do you?

and melo did lead his team to the 8th seed in the western conference. nice try though.

obviously a PISTON FAN would rather have guys like darko, wade and im guessing bosh and who knows who else...but thats because you are a piston fan.

Give me Wade or Bosh over Mello any day.

And I'm a Pacer fan.


Darko aside, I'd rather have had James, Hinrich, Wade, Bosh and TJ Ford (pre-injury) over the secomnd coming of Glenn Robinson.

oh man....thats good.